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edited May 14 in General

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Ever since the local elections last week there has been talk of moving on from “Peak Corbyn”. Maybe? But what about “Peak Rees-Mogg?

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  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 17,604
    Surely declining odds for next in line reflects the fact that May is more secure than previously thought.

  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 734
    I was always fairly perplexed how someone with no ministerial experience and ridiculously large negatives could be considered a contender for the leadership, let alone the favourite.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,323
    fpt

    Isn't a high crime rate quite a good indicator for Remainia?

    Especially stabbings. Remainers are obviously far more likely to be stabbers.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 983
    Unsurprising. The bigger mystery is how this utter clown was ever anywhere near the Tory leadership in the first place.
  • ElliotElliot Posts: 1,174
    Anazina said:

    Unsurprising. The bigger mystery is how this utter clown was ever anywhere near the Tory leadership in the first place.

    For once I agree with you. Such a shame a similar decline didn't happen to the clown Corbyn's candidacy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,902
    More crucially Jeremy Hunt has publicly denounced and bitch slapped the antics of Bonking Boris.

    Like JRM we’ve seen peak Boris.

    Hunt looks and acts so Prime Ministerial. Hope you all got on at 100/1 and 66/1.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 983
    Elliot said:

    Anazina said:

    Unsurprising. The bigger mystery is how this utter clown was ever anywhere near the Tory leadership in the first place.

    For once I agree with you. Such a shame a similar decline didn't happen to the clown Corbyn's candidacy.
    Agreed. Do you often disagree with me? Each to their own anyway.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 5,938
    Anazina said:

    Unsurprising. The bigger mystery is how this utter clown was ever anywhere near the Tory leadership in the first place.

    Was he ever? or just a banner for the loony right?

    The same was true for corbyn, of course.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,103

    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 43,625
    edited May 14
    I've played this strictly as a laying game, and Mogg, Miliband (D) and Farage are my full reds on this market.
    I have Boris at zero profit or loss, as he could make it but his odds are too short.
    Best of luck to all those playing a backing game.

    I think Corbyn has a genuine chance of becoming next PM as by hook or crook May may well hang on to the next election. Obviously if that is the case he should be no greater than about 6-4.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,902
    edited May 14
    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He already does doesn’t he?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 5,938
    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    Either leave the house, or stand as independent I would guess.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 43,625
    Ooh someone seems to have matched my Leadsom bet at 25.00, I doubt she'll be running again after last time.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 14,481
    Andrew said:

    I was always fairly perplexed how someone with no ministerial experience and ridiculously large negatives could be considered a contender for the leadership, let alone the favourite.

    Because he is a) beloved of the tory grassroots (allegedly) and b) in an age of anti-politics and populism, his supposed "authenticity" is a winner.

    There is a great piece about him in this month's Prospect.

  • felixfelix Posts: 7,399
    Anazina said:

    Unsurprising. The bigger mystery is how this utter clown was ever anywhere near the Tory leadership in the first place.

    No mystery at all - the madness that is the current Labour party is bound to impact on the rest. The only difference being the Tories are unlikely to be quite so stupid. Probably ....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 5,433
    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    I don't think it's 'if', now.

    When the Speaker starts to abuse the procedures and structures of the House, whatever one might think of him, his time is up.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/14/speaker-john-bercow-bullying-allegations-commons-staff
  • felixfelix Posts: 7,399
    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    What Sally not firm enough?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,762

    his supposed "authenticity" is a winner.

    He's about as authentic as SPAM

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,103
    Scott_P said:

    his supposed "authenticity" is a winner.

    He's about as authentic as SPAM

    Jesus had very little to say about modern politics.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 42,373
    Mr. B, is it? What mechanism is there to pry out Bercow if he doesn't want to go?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 5,433

    Mr. B, is it? What mechanism is there to pry out Bercow if he doesn't want to go?

    Up until now he has enjoyed the support of a majority in the House. That might well now change.

    I don't think his ego could bear carrying on regardless in the manner of (for example) May....
  • felixfelix Posts: 7,399
    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 5,731
    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He was a Tory MP was he not?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,182

    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He was a Tory MP was he not?
    Convention is they sit as a Crossbencher in the Lords.
  • felixfelix Posts: 7,399
    Labour's new general secretary: antisemitism is one of the "themes the right use to attack the left”.https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-general-secretary-suggested-antisemitism-was-a-theme-used-to-attack-the-left-1.464114


    As yue were Labour.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,103

    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He was a Tory MP was he not?
    His views have altered radically
  • ElliotElliot Posts: 1,174

    More crucially Jeremy Hunt has publicly denounced and bitch slapped the antics of Bonking Boris.

    Like JRM we’ve seen peak Boris.

    Hunt looks and acts so Prime Ministerial. Hope you all got on at 100/1 and 66/1.

    The Tories would not be stupid enough to put in the man most associated with the Tories' biggest exposure to Corbyn: an underfunded NHS.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 9,039
    felix said:

    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....

    Do you approve of the slaughter of Palestinians?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 2,955
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He was a Tory MP was he not?
    His views have altered radically
    Another example of how we all turn to the right as we get older. Oh...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,902
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He was a Tory MP was he not?
    His views have altered radically
    I’m sure he still believes in his Monday Club policies of forced repatriation of non whites.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,103
    Roger said:

    felix said:

    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....

    Do you approve of the slaughter of Palestinians?
    We all do.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,182

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He was a Tory MP was he not?
    His views have altered radically
    I’m sure he still believes in his Monday Club policies of forced repatriation of non whites.
    He’s certainly been on a journey.
  • felixfelix Posts: 7,399
    Roger said:

    felix said:

    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....

    Do you approve of the slaughter of Palestinians?
    No. Your ability to miss the point never fails to amaze and amuse.
  • felixfelix Posts: 7,399

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He was a Tory MP was he not?
    His views have altered radically
    Another example of how we all turn to the right as we get older. Oh...
    He is certainly a freak of nature in so many ways..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 5,433
    Scott_P said:
    Would that entitle those previously convicted and fined/imprisoned to compensation ?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 11,418
    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    his supposed "authenticity" is a winner.

    He's about as authentic as SPAM

    Jesus had very little to say about modern politics.
    Just like Jakey boy then.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 5,433

    More crucially Jeremy Hunt has publicly denounced and bitch slapped the antics of Bonking Boris.

    Like JRM we’ve seen peak Boris.

    Hunt looks and acts so Prime Ministerial...

    Only in comparison to the ridiculous Johnson.
    I'm not convinced that will be enough.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 5,433
    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    his supposed "authenticity" is a winner.

    He's about as authentic as SPAM

    Jesus had very little to say about modern politics.
    He's on record as disapproving of tax dodging...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,902
    RobD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He was a Tory MP was he not?
    His views have altered radically
    I’m sure he still believes in his Monday Club policies of forced repatriation of non whites.
    He’s certainly been on a journey.
    Bercow used to get tumescent at the very mention of Enoch Powell.

    He used to sing anti Catholic songs too.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 43,625
    I think Giuseppe Conte will be the next Italian PM, just added him to Betfair runners and riders.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 5,938
    Roger said:

    felix said:

    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....

    Do you approve of the slaughter of Palestinians?
    Being anti-war isn't a bad thing. Being selectivly anti-war.....
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,103
    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    his supposed "authenticity" is a winner.

    He's about as authentic as SPAM

    Jesus had very little to say about modern politics.
    He's on record as disapproving of tax dodging...
    That is true. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

    RobD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He was a Tory MP was he not?
    His views have altered radically
    I’m sure he still believes in his Monday Club policies of forced repatriation of non whites.
    He’s certainly been on a journey.
    Bercow used to get tumescent at the very mention of Enoch Powell.

    He used to sing anti Catholic songs too.
    And marched alongside various "community leaders" in Northern Ireland, during protests against the Anglo Irish Agreement.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,902
    Pulpstar said:

    I think Giuseppe Conte will be the next Italian PM, just added him to Betfair runners and riders.

    For a moment I read that as Antonio Conte.

    Would be one hell of a career change but if George Weah can manage it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 2,955
    Scott_P said:

    his supposed "authenticity" is a winner.

    He's about as authentic as SPAM

    I think you are being very unfair there. SPAM is authentic canned processed meat.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,902
    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    his supposed "authenticity" is a winner.

    He's about as authentic as SPAM

    Jesus had very little to say about modern politics.
    He's on record as disapproving of tax dodging...
    That is true. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

    RobD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:


    O/T if Bercow does step down as Speaker, will he take the Labour whip?

    He was a Tory MP was he not?
    His views have altered radically
    I’m sure he still believes in his Monday Club policies of forced repatriation of non whites.
    He’s certainly been on a journey.
    Bercow used to get tumescent at the very mention of Enoch Powell.

    He used to sing anti Catholic songs too.
    And marched alongside various "community leaders" in Northern Ireland, during protests against the Anglo Irish Agreement.
    Don’t blame him, Margaret Thatcher was an IRA stooge.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,762

    I think you are being very unfair there. SPAM is authentic canned processed meat.

    http://www.spam.com/recipes/spam-pineapple-fried-rice
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 43,625

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Giuseppe Conte will be the next Italian PM, just added him to Betfair runners and riders.

    For a moment I read that as Antonio Conte.

    Would be one hell of a career change but if George Weah can manage it.
    After alot of huffing and puffing Di Maio basically agreed he won't be PM to break the deadlock.
    So two names have been put forward, Giulio Sapelli and Giuseppe Conte with Sapelli being ruled out by M5S.

    Which leaves Conte to take the role just as he finishes the season at Chelsea.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 32,182
    Scott_P said:

    I think you are being very unfair there. SPAM is authentic canned processed meat.

    http://www.spam.com/recipes/spam-pineapple-fried-rice
    Only 3/5 stars?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,762
    RobD said:

    Only 3/5 stars?

    Perhaps the reviewer neglected to serve it in the carved pineapple shell...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,103
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    I think you are being very unfair there. SPAM is authentic canned processed meat.

    http://www.spam.com/recipes/spam-pineapple-fried-rice
    Only 3/5 stars?
    It's a very tasty light meal.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 5,433
    edited May 14
    Scott_P said:
    Though meaning, I believe, was 'nonsense' - as in "gammon and spinach".

    QV Miss Flite's pet birds in Bleak House- named “Hope, Joy, Youth, Peace, Rest, Life, Dust, Ashes, Waste, Want, Ruin, Despair, Madness, Death, Cunning, Folly, Words, Wigs, Rags, Sheepskin, Plunder, Precedent, Jargon, Gammon, and Spinach.”

    (Edit - I always wondered what 'Sheepskin' was doing in there...)
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 1,968
    Urban Dictionary on gammon.
    Gammon
    (Noun/mass noun): A term used to describe a particular type of Brexit-voting, middle-aged white male, whose meat-faced complexion suggests they are perilously close to a stroke.

    The term 'gammon' is linked to the unhealthy pink skin tone of such stout yeomen, probably because of high blood pressure caused by decades of 'PC gone mad', being defeated in arguments about the non-existent merits of Brexit and women getting the vote.

    Gammon often make their appearance on BBC's Question Time jabbing their porcine fingers at the camera while demanding immediate nuclear strikes against Remain-voting areas, people who eat vegetables and/or cyclists.

    When gammon appears en masse it is often referred to as a "wall of gammon".
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 13,782
    Roger said:

    felix said:

    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....

    Do you approve of the slaughter of Palestinians?
    Violent protest should be met by force. Israel is entirely within its rights to do what is has done.

    "Slaughter", by the way, is typically excessive. If Israel had wanted to slaughter the protesters, there'd be thousands dead; there aren't.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 14,481
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_P said:
    Though meaning, I believe, was 'nonsense' - as in "gammon and spinach".

    QV Miss Flite's pet birds in Bleak House- named “Hope, Joy, Youth, Peace, Rest, Life, Dust, Ashes, Waste, Want, Ruin, Despair, Madness, Death, Cunning, Folly, Words, Wigs, Rags, Sheepskin, Plunder, Precedent, Jargon, Gammon, and Spinach.”
    OED agrees. Gammon means nonsense (dated term). Also 'to hoax'. First used as criminal slang in 18th century.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 27,736
    Scott_P said:
    Massive decision....could change the face of gambling in the US.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 2,955
    Scott_P said:

    I think you are being very unfair there. SPAM is authentic canned processed meat.

    http://www.spam.com/recipes/spam-pineapple-fried-rice
    Tha'ts a truly terrible recipe; it uses "SPAM® Less Sodium", not authentic SPAM.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,323

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_P said:
    Though meaning, I believe, was 'nonsense' - as in "gammon and spinach".

    QV Miss Flite's pet birds in Bleak House- named “Hope, Joy, Youth, Peace, Rest, Life, Dust, Ashes, Waste, Want, Ruin, Despair, Madness, Death, Cunning, Folly, Words, Wigs, Rags, Sheepskin, Plunder, Precedent, Jargon, Gammon, and Spinach.”
    OED agrees. Gammon means nonsense (dated term). Also 'to hoax'. First used as criminal slang in 18th century.
    Collins says the origin of that meaning may have been the backgammon one (a double victory in backgammon in which one player throws off all his or her pieces before his or her opponent throws any)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,762

    Tha'ts a truly terrible recipe; it uses "SPAM® Less Sodium", not authentic SPAM.

    Yeah, it's amount of salt that makes it a terrible recipe...
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 2,663
    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 3,818

    Scott_P said:
    Massive decision....could change the face of gambling in the US.
    Vegas benefits from people coming from anti-gambling states for thr weekend to bet on football in the winter and baseball in the summer. The sports betting areas in every hotel are jammed on Saturdays with betting on College Football as well.

    The notion of "betting shops" across the USA is something to consider...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 5,433

    Scott_P said:
    Massive decision....could change the face of gambling in the US.
    The judgment is interesting - and points to a significant difference between the US and the EU:
    As to what this structure means with regard to Con­ gress’s authority to control state legislatures, New York was clear and emphatic. The opinion recalled that “no Member of the Court ha[d] ever suggested” that even “a particularly strong federal interest” “would enable Con­ gress to command a state government to enact state regu­ lation.” Id., at 178 (emphasis in original). “We have always understood that even where Congress has the authority under the Constitution to pass laws requiring or prohibiting certain acts, it lacks the power directly to compel the States to require or prohibit those acts.” Id., at 166. “Congress may not simply ‘commandee[r] the legisla­ tive processes of the States by directly compelling them to enact and enforce a federal regulatory program.’” Id., at 161 (quoting Hodel v. Virginia Surface Mining & Recla- mation Assn., Inc., 452 U. S. 264, 288 (1981)). “Where a federal interest is sufficiently strong to cause Congress to legislate, it must do so directly; it may not conscript state governments as its agents.” 505 U. S., at 178....
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 1,111

    Scott_P said:
    Massive decision....could change the face of gambling in the US.
    Surely it could change the face of gambling in Europe if it leads to more online bookmakers? More bookies = better odds as we had at the 2015 GE before Ladbrokes merged with Coral and PP with Betfair (lesson for the competition authorities there surely, who seem content for Sainsbury's and Asda to merge and acquire 31% of the food market...)

    BTW I read that Ladbrokes opened a betting exchange but I couldn't find it on their website and occasionally it's definitely useful to lay a bet, e.g. Peak Mogg.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 14,481


    Explanatory sessions, outlining in detail the two customs options that the EU have rejected.

    Just in case any MP was unsure what had been turned down.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,902
    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    I nearly published a thread late last year suggesting Mrs May made JRM Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 2,955
    edited May 14
    Scott_P said:

    Tha'ts a truly terrible recipe; it uses "SPAM® Less Sodium", not authentic SPAM.

    Yeah, it's amount of salt that makes it a terrible recipe...
    Indeed. The two comments on the recipe are even battier than the the recipe itself!
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 2,663
    edited May 14

    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    I nearly published a thread late last year suggesting Mrs May made JRM Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.
    Perfect.
    And if he turned it down, it'd demonstrate that he's a chancer who doesn't really want/know how to make Brexit happen.
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 235
    edited May 14
    Elliot said:

    The Tories would not be stupid enough to put in the man most associated with the Tories' biggest exposure to Corbyn: an underfunded NHS.

    Things may look very different on that score in a few weeks after the 70th birthday celebrations for the NHS...
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 883

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Giuseppe Conte will be the next Italian PM, just added him to Betfair runners and riders.

    For a moment I read that as Antonio Conte.

    Would be one hell of a career change but if George Weah can manage it.
    George Osborne raises an eyebrow in your general direction. Maybe he's holding out to replace Arsene Wenger though.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 14,481
    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    DWP?

    He'd attempt to have disabled welfare claimants scrubbing the decks of hulk ships in preparation for holding illegal migrants.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 19,779

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Giuseppe Conte will be the next Italian PM, just added him to Betfair runners and riders.

    For a moment I read that as Antonio Conte.

    Would be one hell of a career change but if George Weah can manage it.
    Probably go quite brilliantly for a year or so and then trend downhill.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 27,736

    Scott_P said:
    Massive decision....could change the face of gambling in the US.
    Surely it could change the face of gambling in Europe if it leads to more online bookmakers? More bookies = better odds as we had at the 2015 GE before Ladbrokes merged with Coral and PP with Betfair (lesson for the competition authorities there surely, who seem content for Sainsbury's and Asda to merge and acquire 31% of the food market...)

    BTW I read that Ladbrokes opened a betting exchange but I couldn't find it on their website and occasionally it's definitely useful to lay a bet, e.g. Peak Mogg.
    I bet The PokerStars Group can't believe their luck. As well as having their own betting, casino and poker offering, they have just bought Sky Bet...
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 883
    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    And furthermore, when she offers him, she should leak that he's getting offered it. A bit like Tim Farron in coalition who was ever so careful to keep his hands clean, and never offered a job. So JRM should either have to get his hands dirty or be seen to be a coward / not willing to support the PM when asked.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 1,224
    edited May 14
    felix said:

    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....

    One reason for the protests is surely the supine attitude of our government with regard to Israel's behaviour. Atrocities carried out by the Russian and Syrian governments are rightly met with sanctions and, in the latter case, threats of military intervention. Israel, on the hand, appears able to commit atrocities with impunity. Why does Israel get a green light to do as it pleases, while other countries attract punishment for their evil-doing?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 2,955

    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    I nearly published a thread late last year suggesting Mrs May made JRM Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.
    Or maybe he could replace Penny Mordaunt as Minister for Women and Equalities to let her concentrate on International Development?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,902
    tpfkar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I think Giuseppe Conte will be the next Italian PM, just added him to Betfair runners and riders.

    For a moment I read that as Antonio Conte.

    Would be one hell of a career change but if George Weah can manage it.
    George Osborne raises an eyebrow in your general direction. Maybe he's holding out to replace Arsene Wenger though.
    It’s ok, he knows I’m one of the party’s top political strategists and I wasn’t doing it to humiliate a Leaver.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,902

    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    I nearly published a thread late last year suggesting Mrs May made JRM Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.
    Or maybe he could replace Penny Mordaunt as Minister for Women and Equalities to let her concentrate on International Development?
    Nah, has to be a Leaver for Northern Ireland, they keep on telling us sorting out the border issue is easy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 5,433

    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    DWP?

    He'd attempt to have disabled welfare claimants scrubbing the decks of hulk ships in preparation for holding illegal migrants.
    We really are channelling Dickens this afternoon...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 2,955

    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    I nearly published a thread late last year suggesting Mrs May made JRM Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.
    Or maybe he could replace Penny Mordaunt as Minister for Women and Equalities to let her concentrate on International Development?
    Nah, has to be a Leaver for Northern Ireland, they keep on telling us sorting out the border issue is easy.
    Yes, good point. Plus, the DUP will no doubt enjoy working with someone who is a committed Christian. Oh, um...
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 1,111

    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    I nearly published a thread late last year suggesting Mrs May made JRM Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.
    Or maybe he could replace Penny Mordaunt as Minister for Women and Equalities to let her concentrate on International Development?
    Too late for now unless there's another scandal soon but Home Secretary or Minister of State would prepare him for a high-flying career.

    He's already about 47. At that age Harold Wilson was PM.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 11,418

    Roger said:

    felix said:

    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....

    Do you approve of the slaughter of Palestinians?
    Violent protest should be met by force. Israel is entirely within its rights to do what is has done.

    "Slaughter", by the way, is typically excessive. If Israel had wanted to slaughter the protesters, there'd be thousands dead; there aren't.
    Define 'violent'?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 10,990



    Explanatory sessions, outlining in detail the two customs options that the EU have rejected.

    Just in case any MP was unsure what had been turned down.

    Mrs May is doing FIVE sessions on the same material one after the other? IMHO (and I’ve been there) a recipe for disaster. One get’s bored, forgets important points and even the place where the jokes go.
    Pity the guys and gals in the fourth and fifth sessions!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 2,955
    edited May 14

    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    I nearly published a thread late last year suggesting Mrs May made JRM Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.
    Or maybe he could replace Penny Mordaunt as Minister for Women and Equalities to let her concentrate on International Development?
    Too late for now unless there's another scandal soon but Home Secretary or Minister of State would prepare him for a high-flying career.

    He's already about 47. At that age Harold Wilson was PM.
    Blimey, he's only 47! I thought he was born in 1850.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 2,955
    edited May 14



    Explanatory sessions, outlining in detail the two customs options that the EU have rejected.

    Just in case any MP was unsure what had been turned down.

    Mrs May is doing FIVE sessions on the same material one after the other? IMHO (and I’ve been there) a recipe for disaster. One get’s bored, forgets important points and even the place where the jokes go.
    Pity the guys and gals in the fourth and fifth sessions!
    Agreed if the delivery was by any mere mortal (been there myself), but with the Maybot delivering I am sure the first session will be every bit as tedious as the fifth. :wink:
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 42,373
    Mr. Voter, last season the Ladbrokes Exchange sometimes had interesting specials on F1. I've used it sometimes to hedge bets.

    https://ex.ladbrokes.com
  • felixfelix Posts: 7,399

    felix said:

    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....

    One reason for the protests is surely the supine attitude of our government with regard to Israel's behaviour. Atrocities carried out by the Russian and Syrian governments are rightly met with sanctions and, in the latter case, threats of military intervention. Israel, on the hand, appears able to commit atrocities with impunity. Why does Israel get a green light to do as it pleases, while other countries attract punishment for their evil-doing?
    In the case of Israel the atrocities you refer to are unproven. Note I do not offer an opinion on them and accept there is much amiss in the current Israeli government. However, they have free and fair elections so the government is legitimate which is more than can be said for the two you mention. My actual point which you ignore relates to the STW organisation and their selectivity in which 'wars' they choose to protest. with regard to the UK I think they take a fair line on Israel and remain wedded to the 2 state solution. I'm not convinced that Hamas and Hezbollah support that. Indeed they are committed to the destruction of the state of Israel which in part explains the Israeli attitudes to threats on their borders.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 2,955



    Explanatory sessions, outlining in detail the two customs options that the EU have rejected.

    Just in case any MP was unsure what had been turned down.

    Clearly attempting to gauge her support across Tory MPs
  • felixfelix Posts: 7,399
    Nigelb said:

    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    DWP?

    He'd attempt to have disabled welfare claimants scrubbing the decks of hulk ships in preparation for holding illegal migrants.
    We really are channelling Dickens this afternoon...
    Brings a new Twist to the PB discourse.
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 535
    Hear, hear!

  • felixfelix Posts: 7,399

    Roger said:

    felix said:

    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....

    Do you approve of the slaughter of Palestinians?
    Violent protest should be met by force. Israel is entirely within its rights to do what is has done.

    "Slaughter", by the way, is typically excessive. If Israel had wanted to slaughter the protesters, there'd be thousands dead; there aren't.
    Define 'violent'?
    Lost your dictionary? Try google.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 27,736
    edited May 14
    nunuone said:

    Hear, hear!

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNUcR-eMxaE

    Careful, people will start accusing you of being a closet alt-right supporter and worshipper of the stupid man's idea of an intelligent individual...
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 535

    fpt

    Isn't a high crime rate quite a good indicator for Remainia?

    Especially stabbings. Remainers are obviously far more likely to be stabbers.

    Yep. And moped theft.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 5,433
    felix said:

    Nigelb said:

    Freggles said:

    If Theresa May really, REALLY wants to tank JRM's chances of getting power, she should give him a big, serious job in the Cabinet and watch as he crumbles just like Boris.
    It's easy to be an ideological purist when it's all theoretical.

    DWP?

    He'd attempt to have disabled welfare claimants scrubbing the decks of hulk ships in preparation for holding illegal migrants.
    We really are channelling Dickens this afternoon...
    Brings a new Twist to the PB discourse.
    I have a hard time believing you can't do better than that; so much for my great expectations...
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 1,224
    felix said:

    felix said:

    I see that Stop the War are to protest against the Palestinian deaths - it's good to see such a quick response as with their protests against Russia and Syria....

    One reason for the protests is surely the supine attitude of our government with regard to Israel's behaviour. Atrocities carried out by the Russian and Syrian governments are rightly met with sanctions and, in the latter case, threats of military intervention. Israel, on the hand, appears able to commit atrocities with impunity. Why does Israel get a green light to do as it pleases, while other countries attract punishment for their evil-doing?
    In the case of Israel the atrocities you refer to are unproven. Note I do not offer an opinion on them and accept there is much amiss in the current Israeli government. However, they have free and fair elections so the government is legitimate which is more than can be said for the two you mention. My actual point which you ignore relates to the STW organisation and their selectivity in which 'wars' they choose to protest. with regard to the UK I think they take a fair line on Israel and remain wedded to the 2 state solution. I'm not convinced that Hamas and Hezbollah support that. Indeed they are committed to the destruction of the state of Israel which in part explains the Israeli attitudes to threats on their borders.
    I did not ignore your point. My post directly addressed your point. To repeat: one reason that Israel's actions arouse such ire is the fact that the response of our own and other western governments to them is so half-hearted. When Arab countries defy UN resolutions, they get invaded; Israel gets a finger-wagging at most. This kind of favouritism makes people angry.
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