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I have been reminded that it is now more than a year a year since we had a PB gathering. In recent years these have taken place in pubs in central London where Fat Steve has arranged for a specific area to be allocated to us.

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Plank

First?

slade

Lib Dem gain in Broadlands and Lincolnshire Ind Gain in North Kesteven.

Sunil_Prasannan

A year ago this Saturday we last met, at that pub near St Paul's (Lord Raglan, I think).

Plank

Plank said:

First?

Glorious first!

Charles

Lord Raglan works

Sunil_Prasannan

It's not been more than a year. It was the 26th May 2017, which is Saturday this year.

Anazina

FrancisUrquhart said:

Lifelong cricket fan Theresa May has been elected a member of the Marylebone Cricket Club which owns Lord’s cricket ground, The Telegraph can disclose.

Normally members have to wait 26 years to join the most famous cricket club in the world. Mrs May had to wait only a few months after the club fast-tracked her application.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/24/theresa-may-jumps-26-year-waiting-list-mcc-membership-fast-tracked/

Good for her. I hope to become a member someday. I hope she enjoys a better English performance with the ball tomorrow than we saw with the bat today.

slade

Lab hold in Cheadle Heath.

Nigelb

Any chance of one a little further north sometime ?

Beverley_C

Nigelb said:

Any chance of one a little further north sometime ?

Islington?

Anazina

Beverley_C said:

Nigelb said:

Any chance of one a little further north sometime ?

Islington?

We can do much better than that.

Crouch End.

Nigelb

Beverley_C said:

Nigelb said:

Any chance of one a little further north sometime ?

Islington?

I guess not, then.

Beverley_C

Anazina said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigelb said:

Any chance of one a little further north sometime ?

Islington?

We can do much better than that.

Crouch End.

Too far north. It is practically Arctic Tundra up there for the London crowd

Sunil_Prasannan

Nigelb said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigelb said:

Any chance of one a little further north sometime ?

Islington?

I guess not, then.

Wasn't there one in Manchester a couple of years back?

AndyJS

Nice to see Nighthawks back again.

Beverley_C

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Nigelb said:

Beverley_C said:

Nigelb said:

Any chance of one a little further north sometime ?

Islington?

I guess not, then.

Wasn't there one in Manchester a couple of years back?

Yes. I nearly went to that one.

Foxy

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Barnesian

Britain Elects


@britainelects

Conservative GAIN Westbury-on-Trym and Henleaze (Bristol) from Liberal Democrat.

12:30 AM - 25 May 2018

Con: 2,900
Lib Dem 2,704
Green: 355
Lab: 891

This will cheer up the Tories. I know Westbury very well. It is prosperous middle class. Three person ward. Last time it was two Tories plus one LibDem (who came third). The LibDem, who had held the seat for 12 years, then resigned with a health condition (her lungs).

AndyJS

Barnesian said:

Britain Elects


@britainelects

Conservative GAIN Westbury-on-Trym and Henleaze (Bristol) from Liberal Democrat.

12:30 AM - 25 May 2018

Con: 2,900
Lib Dem 2,704
Green: 355
Lab: 891

This will cheer up the Tories. I know Westbury very well. It is prosperous middle class. Three person ward. Last time it was two Tories plus one LibDem (who came third). The LibDem, who had held the seat for 12 years, then resigned with a health condition (her lungs).

I'm surprised by this result. It must have voted Remain by a large margin so I don't know why the LDs didn't win it. Maybe the Tory candidate was particularly good.

Barnesian

AndyJS said:

Barnesian said:

Britain Elects


@britainelects

Conservative GAIN Westbury-on-Trym and Henleaze (Bristol) from Liberal Democrat.

12:30 AM - 25 May 2018

Con: 2,900
Lib Dem 2,704
Green: 355
Lab: 891

This will cheer up the Tories. I know Westbury very well. It is prosperous middle class. Three person ward. Last time it was two Tories plus one LibDem (who came third). The LibDem, who had held the seat for 12 years, then resigned with a health condition (her lungs).

I'm surprised by this result. It must have voted Remain by a large margin so I don't know why the LDs didn't win it. Maybe the Tory candidate was particularly good.

In 2016 the LibDem won by just 77 votes from the 3rd Tory in 4th place, so it was close. Perhaps some people were put out by the LibDem resigning and causing a by-election? Perhaps they didn't like the new LibDem candidate? He was in 6th place last time, 400 votes behind the retiring LibDem and over 2,000 behind the winning Tory.

Westbury is very much a Tory area.

Barnesian

Barnesian said:

AndyJS said:

Barnesian said:

Britain Elects


@britainelects

Conservative GAIN Westbury-on-Trym and Henleaze (Bristol) from Liberal Democrat.

12:30 AM - 25 May 2018

Con: 2,900
Lib Dem 2,704
Green: 355
Lab: 891

This will cheer up the Tories. I know Westbury very well. It is prosperous middle class. Three person ward. Last time it was two Tories plus one LibDem (who came third). The LibDem, who had held the seat for 12 years, then resigned with a health condition (her lungs).

I'm surprised by this result. It must have voted Remain by a large margin so I don't know why the LDs didn't win it. Maybe the Tory candidate was particularly good.

In 2016 the LibDem won by just 77 votes from the 3rd Tory in 4th place, so it was close. Perhaps some people were put out by the LibDem resigning and causing a by-election? Perhaps they didn't like the new LibDem candidate? He was in 6th place last time, 400 votes behind the retiring LibDem and over 2,000 behind the winning Tory.

Westbury is very much a Tory area.

Britain Elects

@britainelects

Westbury-on-Trym & Henleaze (Bristol) result:

CON: 42.3% (+2.9)
LDEM: 39.5% (+7.3)
LAB: 13.0% (-2.6)
GRN: 5.2% (-7.6)

Con GAIN from LDem.

The previously elected LDem Cllr came third in a three member ward.

swing_voter

Barnesian said:

Barnesian said:

AndyJS said:

Barnesian said:

Britain Elects


@britainelects

Conservative GAIN Westbury-on-Trym and Henleaze (Bristol) from Liberal Democrat.

12:30 AM - 25 May 2018

Con: 2,900
Lib Dem 2,704
Green: 355
Lab: 891

This will cheer up the Tories. I know Westbury very well. It is prosperous middle class. Three person ward. Last time it was two Tories plus one LibDem (who came third). The LibDem, who had held the seat for 12 years, then resigned with a health condition (her lungs).

I'm surprised by this result. It must have voted Remain by a large margin so I don't know why the LDs didn't win it. Maybe the Tory candidate was particularly good.

In 2016 the LibDem won by just 77 votes from the 3rd Tory in 4th place, so it was close. Perhaps some people were put out by the LibDem resigning and causing a by-election? Perhaps they didn't like the new LibDem candidate? He was in 6th place last time, 400 votes behind the retiring LibDem and over 2,000 behind the winning Tory.

Westbury is very much a Tory area.

Britain Elects

@britainelects

Westbury-on-Trym & Henleaze (Bristol) result:

CON: 42.3% (+2.9)
LDEM: 39.5% (+7.3)
LAB: 13.0% (-2.6)
GRN: 5.2% (-7.6)

Con GAIN from LDem.

The previously elected LDem Cllr came third in a three member ward.

crikey, the Conservatives scrape in by 190 votes and there is a flurry of excitement,
almost 20% went Green or Labour so a classic progressive split if you ask me, the story of the Lib Dem collapse in the west country

RobD

swing_voter said:

Barnesian said:

Barnesian said:

AndyJS said:

Barnesian said:

Britain Elects


@britainelects

Conservative GAIN Westbury-on-Trym and Henleaze (Bristol) from Liberal Democrat.

12:30 AM - 25 May 2018

Con: 2,900
Lib Dem 2,704
Green: 355
Lab: 891

This will cheer up the Tories. I know Westbury very well. It is prosperous middle class. Three person ward. Last time it was two Tories plus one LibDem (who came third). The LibDem, who had held the seat for 12 years, then resigned with a health condition (her lungs).

I'm surprised by this result. It must have voted Remain by a large margin so I don't know why the LDs didn't win it. Maybe the Tory candidate was particularly good.

In 2016 the LibDem won by just 77 votes from the 3rd Tory in 4th place, so it was close. Perhaps some people were put out by the LibDem resigning and causing a by-election? Perhaps they didn't like the new LibDem candidate? He was in 6th place last time, 400 votes behind the retiring LibDem and over 2,000 behind the winning Tory.

Westbury is very much a Tory area.

Britain Elects

@britainelects

Westbury-on-Trym & Henleaze (Bristol) result:

CON: 42.3% (+2.9)
LDEM: 39.5% (+7.3)
LAB: 13.0% (-2.6)
GRN: 5.2% (-7.6)

Con GAIN from LDem.

The previously elected LDem Cllr came third in a three member ward.

crikey, the Conservatives scrape in by 190 votes and there is a flurry of excitement,
almost 20% went Green or Labour so a classic progressive split if you ask me, the story of the Lib Dem collapse in the west country

I wouldn't call two posts a flurry of excitement. Nevertheless, preparation for government intensifies...

Casino_Royale

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

philiph

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

JosiasJessop

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

As a house-husband, about the only chance I'd get to attend is if it is at a weekend ...

JosiasJessop

I wonder if they had to show ID?

"Norwich City Council Conservative election fraud probe"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-44240969

Morris_Dancer

Good morning, everyone.

Mr. Jessop/Mr. Royale, clearly, a two-day overnight event is required.

F1: today is Monaco's weird and slightly annoying off-day.

Talking of weird, last night's Look North had a dead straight segment about exorcisms. It was fucking abnormal. There was one sceptical question, aimed at the Catholic priest rather than the imam, but otherwise it was reporting as if exorcisms aren't a steaming pile of horse manure. Found it somewhat disturbing.

ydoethur

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

ydoethur

Morris_Dancer said:

Good morning, everyone.

Mr. Jessop/Mr. Royale, clearly, a two-day overnight event is required.

F1: today is Monaco's weird and slightly annoying off-day.

Talking of weird, last night's Look North had a dead straight segment about exorcisms. It was fucking abnormal. There was one sceptical question, aimed at the Catholic priest rather than the imam, but otherwise it was reporting as if exorcisms aren't a steaming pile of horse manure. Found it somewhat disturbing.

Will it haunt you?

I'll get my coat...

DavidL

I went to the meet in Manchester and very enjoyable it was too. London is a bit far for me unless I happen to be there for something else (in which case, in all honesty, I tend to be somewhat busy).

I have never quite worked out how multi-candidate wards work in the event of a bye-election. The Lib Dem was elected here in third place but presumably all the Tories who voted for the other 2 candidates are eligible to vote for another Tory in the bye-election? It seems to me to defeat the point of multi-councillor wards and the Lib Dem in that event should be commended for making it close. At the risk of opening up a whole other discussion it seems a very poor alternative to PR in ensuring that there is a broader range of opinion reflected in the elected councillors.

Cyclefree

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Not even to see lovely London-based PB’ers.........

AlastairMeeks

Life is pretty hectic for me just now and I might not be able to come anyway (or I’d organise the night), but weekdays are definitely better than weekends for me. The Lord Raglan is an old haunt of mine, so I’d be happy with that.

philiph

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

And famous for pigs.

AlastairMeeks

philiph said:

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

And famous for pigs.

And manifestos.

DavidL

Morris_Dancer said:

Good morning, everyone.

Mr. Jessop/Mr. Royale, clearly, a two-day overnight event is required.

F1: today is Monaco's weird and slightly annoying off-day.

Talking of weird, last night's Look North had a dead straight segment about exorcisms. It was fucking abnormal. There was one sceptical question, aimed at the Catholic priest rather than the imam, but otherwise it was reporting as if exorcisms aren't a steaming pile of horse manure. Found it somewhat disturbing.

The right not to be offended really shouldn't stop people pointing and laughing where it is genuinely appropriate, not least because it may well mean that a genuine medical condition is not being properly treated.

ydoethur

AlastairMeeks said:

philiph said:

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

And famous for pigs.

And manifestos.

We're Peeling away at its reasons for fame.

AlastairMeeks

ydoethur said:

AlastairMeeks said:

philiph said:

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

And famous for pigs.

And manifestos.

We're Peeling away at its reasons for fame.

My parents got married there too.

philiph

DavidL said:

I went to the meet in Manchester and very enjoyable it was too. London is a bit far for me unless I happen to be there for something else (in which case, in all honesty, I tend to be somewhat busy).

I have never quite worked out how multi-candidate wards work in the event of a bye-election. The Lib Dem was elected here in third place but presumably all the Tories who voted for the other 2 candidates are eligible to vote for another Tory in the bye-election? It seems to me to defeat the point of multi-councillor wards and the Lib Dem in that event should be commended for making it close. At the risk of opening up a whole other discussion it seems a very poor alternative to PR in ensuring that there is a broader range of opinion reflected in the elected councillors.

Wouldn't there have been three lib dem candidates as well? Thus the playing field is still level or at least at the same incline.

ydoethur

AlastairMeeks said:

ydoethur said:

AlastairMeeks said:

philiph said:

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

And famous for pigs.

And manifestos.

We're Peeling away at its reasons for fame.

My parents got married there too.

It has a fine three manual organ in the parish church, but unfortunately one without an eight foot horn.

AlastairMeeks

ydoethur said:

AlastairMeeks said:

ydoethur said:

AlastairMeeks said:

philiph said:

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

And famous for pigs.

And manifestos.

We're Peeling away at its reasons for fame.

My parents got married there too.

It has a fine three manual organ in the parish church, but unfortunately one without an eight foot horn.

Oh, my mum was and is of good Congregationalist stock.

felix

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

And significant in political history

felix

ydoethur said:

AlastairMeeks said:

philiph said:

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

And famous for pigs.

And manifestos.

We're Peeling away at its reasons for fame.

Does that pithy comment qualify for an Orange Order award I wonder...

DavidL

philiph said:

DavidL said:

I went to the meet in Manchester and very enjoyable it was too. London is a bit far for me unless I happen to be there for something else (in which case, in all honesty, I tend to be somewhat busy).

I have never quite worked out how multi-candidate wards work in the event of a bye-election. The Lib Dem was elected here in third place but presumably all the Tories who voted for the other 2 candidates are eligible to vote for another Tory in the bye-election? It seems to me to defeat the point of multi-councillor wards and the Lib Dem in that event should be commended for making it close. At the risk of opening up a whole other discussion it seems a very poor alternative to PR in ensuring that there is a broader range of opinion reflected in the elected councillors.

Wouldn't there have been three lib dem candidates as well? Thus the playing field is still level or at least at the same incline.

This is one of the things I don't get having no experience but presumably each party would only have 1 candidate for the bye election.

ydoethur

felix said:

ydoethur said:

AlastairMeeks said:

philiph said:

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

And famous for pigs.

And manifestos.

We're Peeling away at its reasons for fame.

Does that pithy comment qualify for an Orange Order award I wonder...

I don't know, but these puns are driving me bananas. I'm off to work. Have a good morning.

felix

ydoethur said:

felix said:

ydoethur said:

AlastairMeeks said:

philiph said:

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

And famous for pigs.

And manifestos.

We're Peeling away at its reasons for fame.

Does that pithy comment qualify for an Orange Order award I wonder...

I don't know, but these puns are driving me bananas. I'm off to work. Have a good morning.

Careful you don't slip up no the way out..

DavidL

BTW and completely O/T we have had a good deal of legitimate angst about productivity on here from time to time. The productivity of the UK must have taken a serious dunt this month with the absurd amount of time wasted on GDPR which should only ever have applied to firms using big data. My inbox has been stuffed with emails about it. The only positive I can see is that I may get less junk emails going forward.

There has been an interesting range of approaches demonstrating the complete confusion about how this piece of idiocy is supposed to work. So some say we have updated our privacy policy and here it is but you don't need to do anything, others are saying that you have to positively confirm that it is ok to keep writing to you and yet others have simply offered the choice to unsubscribe if you want it.

By far the best has been from Naked Wines whose witty epistle includes:

" There’s nothing you need to do. But if your idea of heaven is a cup of tea, a chocolate digestive and a riveting read through our shiny new Privacy Policy, it’s here. Charles Dickens, eat your heart out."

I'd like to think that this is the last time that we will implement such a poorly thought out, badly drafted, very poorly directed and generally incompetent piece of legislation from the EU without any kind of meaningful guidance but that is probably way too optimistic.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Doethur, witty, but watching the barbaric practices that better fit the 11th century than today in Yorkshire (and it'll be happening elsewhere too) was rather displeasing.

Alanbrooke

DavidL said:

BTW and completely O/T we have had a good deal of legitimate angst about productivity on here from time to time. The productivity of the UK must have taken a serious dunt this month with the absurd amount of time wasted on GDPR which should only ever have applied to firms using big data. My inbox has been stuffed with emails about it. The only positive I can see is that I may get less junk emails going forward.

There has been an interesting range of approaches demonstrating the complete confusion about how this piece of idiocy is supposed to work. So some say we have updated our privacy policy and here it is but you don't need to do anything, others are saying that you have to positively confirm that it is ok to keep writing to you and yet others have simply offered the choice to unsubscribe if you want it.

By far the best has been from Naked Wines whose witty epistle includes:

" There’s nothing you need to do. But if your idea of heaven is a cup of tea, a chocolate digestive and a riveting read through our shiny new Privacy Policy, it’s here. Charles Dickens, eat your heart out."

I'd like to think that this is the last time that we will implement such a poorly thought out, badly drafted, very poorly directed and generally incompetent piece of legislation from the EU without any kind of meaningful guidance but that is probably way too optimistic.

Mrs Brooke for her sins has been lumbered with implementing GDPR for the European end of her employer - an IT multinat

It has been a nightmare for the last 2 weeks as everyone has ignored it until just before the deadline, then panic set in. This week has been spent with execs trying to shoe horn a months work into a day so as not look bad.

The demoralising thing for her is we all know its a total waste of time and effort.

DavidL

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

BTW and completely O/T we have had a good deal of legitimate angst about productivity on here from time to time. The productivity of the UK must have taken a serious dunt this month with the absurd amount of time wasted on GDPR which should only ever have applied to firms using big data. My inbox has been stuffed with emails about it. The only positive I can see is that I may get less junk emails going forward.

There has been an interesting range of approaches demonstrating the complete confusion about how this piece of idiocy is supposed to work. So some say we have updated our privacy policy and here it is but you don't need to do anything, others are saying that you have to positively confirm that it is ok to keep writing to you and yet others have simply offered the choice to unsubscribe if you want it.

By far the best has been from Naked Wines whose witty epistle includes:

" There’s nothing you need to do. But if your idea of heaven is a cup of tea, a chocolate digestive and a riveting read through our shiny new Privacy Policy, it’s here. Charles Dickens, eat your heart out."

I'd like to think that this is the last time that we will implement such a poorly thought out, badly drafted, very poorly directed and generally incompetent piece of legislation from the EU without any kind of meaningful guidance but that is probably way too optimistic.

Mrs Brooke for her sins has been lumbered with implementing GDPR for the European end of her employer - an IT multinat

It has been a nightmare for the last 2 weeks as everyone has ignored it until just before the deadline, then panic set in. This week has been spent with execs trying to shoe horn a months work into a day so as not look bad.

The demoralising thing for her is we all know its a total waste of time and effort.

Yet more boxes to tick, forms to fill, policies to be developed and bureaucracy to be adhered to under threat of savage fines. A QC friend of mine based in Singapore asked if Europe had gone totally mad.

CarlottaVance

Good thing too:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/home-affairs/immigration/news/95471/civil-servant-blamed-amber-rudds-resignation-demoted

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/999906993748889600
https://twitter.com/OllyRobbins/status/999904439656828928

DavidL

CarlottaVance said:

Good thing too:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/home-affairs/immigration/news/95471/civil-servant-blamed-amber-rudds-resignation-demoted

Good. We do not have nearly enough of holding people responsible for incompetence.

Alanbrooke

DavidL said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

BTW and completely O/T we have had a good deal of legitimate angst about productivity on here from time to time. The productivity of the UK must have taken a serious dunt this month with the absurd amount of time wasted on GDPR which should only ever have applied to firms using big data. My inbox has been stuffed with emails about it. The only positive I can see is that I may get less junk emails going forward.

There has been an interesting range of approaches demonstrating the complete confusion about how this piece of idiocy is supposed to work. So some say we have updated our privacy policy and here it is but you don't need to do anything, others are saying that you have to positively confirm that it is ok to keep writing to you and yet others have simply offered the choice to unsubscribe if you want it.

By far the best has been from Naked Wines whose witty epistle includes:

" There’s nothing you need to do. But if your idea of heaven is a cup of tea, a chocolate digestive and a riveting read through our shiny new Privacy Policy, it’s here. Charles Dickens, eat your heart out."

I'd like to think that this is the last time that we will implement such a poorly thought out, badly drafted, very poorly directed and generally incompetent piece of legislation from the EU without any kind of meaningful guidance but that is probably way too optimistic.

Mrs Brooke for her sins has been lumbered with implementing GDPR for the European end of her employer - an IT multinat

It has been a nightmare for the last 2 weeks as everyone has ignored it until just before the deadline, then panic set in. This week has been spent with execs trying to shoe horn a months work into a day so as not look bad.

The demoralising thing for her is we all know its a total waste of time and effort.

Yet more boxes to tick, forms to fill, policies to be developed and bureaucracy to be adhered to under threat of savage fines. A QC friend of mine based in Singapore asked if Europe had gone totally mad.

as ever we'll be the only eeejits who enforce it. France and Italy will smile sweetly and say they have a policy but then ignore it, the Germans will apply it only when it doesn't damage Germany and the Poles will say its a Russian plot.

Beverley_C

DavidL said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

BTW and completely O/T we have had a good deal of legitimate angst about productivity on here from time to time. The productivity of the UK must have taken a serious dunt this month with the absurd amount of time wasted on GDPR which should only ever have applied to firms using big data. My inbox has been stuffed with emails about it. The only positive I can see is that I may get less junk emails going forward.

There has been an interesting range of approaches demonstrating the complete confusion about how this piece of idiocy is supposed to work. So some say we have updated our privacy policy and here it is but you don't need to do anything, others are saying that you have to positively confirm that it is ok to keep writing to you and yet others have simply offered the choice to unsubscribe if you want it.

By far the best has been from Naked Wines whose witty epistle includes:

" There’s nothing you need to do. But if your idea of heaven is a cup of tea, a chocolate digestive and a riveting read through our shiny new Privacy Policy, it’s here. Charles Dickens, eat your heart out."

I'd like to think that this is the last time that we will implement such a poorly thought out, badly drafted, very poorly directed and generally incompetent piece of legislation from the EU without any kind of meaningful guidance but that is probably way too optimistic.

Mrs Brooke for her sins has been lumbered with implementing GDPR for the European end of her employer - an IT multinat

It has been a nightmare for the last 2 weeks as everyone has ignored it until just before the deadline, then panic set in. This week has been spent with execs trying to shoe horn a months work into a day so as not look bad.

The demoralising thing for her is we all know its a total waste of time and effort.

Yet more boxes to tick, forms to fill, policies to be developed and bureaucracy to be adhered to under threat of savage fines. A QC friend of mine based in Singapore asked if Europe had gone totally mad.

Europe has not gone totally mad - business has. The ICO has been saying for some time that what this really does is give it teeth to go after abusers of personal data - ghost callers, pest callers, identity thieves, etc. Those are the real targets.

All we have to do is to what we are supposed to do - use the data for the purpose it was collected and not sell it on or give it away.

OldKingCole

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

Once went to a pub there called the Tame Otter. Couldn’t decide whether it referred to the river beside it or the tractability of the animal.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Brooke, how much have the German car manufacturers been fined for the emissions scandal?

Foxy

Beverley_C said:

DavidL said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

BTW and completely O/T we have had a good deal of legitimate angst about productivity on here from time to time. The productivity of the UK must have taken a serious dunt this month with the absurd amount of time wasted on GDPR which should only ever have applied to firms using big data. My inbox has been stuffed with emails about it. The only positive I can see is that I may get less junk emails going forward.

There has been an interesting range of approaches demonstrating the complete confusion about how this piece of idiocy is supposed to work. So some say we have updated our privacy policy and here it is but you don't need to do anything, others are saying that you have to positively confirm that it is ok to keep writing to you and yet others have simply offered the choice to unsubscribe if you want it.

By far the best has been from Naked Wines whose witty epistle includes:

" There’s nothing you need to do. But if your idea of heaven is a cup of tea, a chocolate digestive and a riveting read through our shiny new Privacy Policy, it’s here. Charles Dickens, eat your heart out."

I'd like to think that this is the last time that we will implement such a poorly thought out, badly drafted, very poorly directed and generally incompetent piece of legislation from the EU without any kind of meaningful guidance but that is probably way too optimistic.

Mrs Brooke for her sins has been lumbered with implementing GDPR for the European end of her employer - an IT multinat

It has been a nightmare for the last 2 weeks as everyone has ignored it until just before the deadline, then panic set in. This week has been spent with execs trying to shoe horn a months work into a day so as not look bad.

The demoralising thing for her is we all know its a total waste of time and effort.

Yet more boxes to tick, forms to fill, policies to be developed and bureaucracy to be adhered to under threat of savage fines. A QC friend of mine based in Singapore asked if Europe had gone totally mad.

Europe has not gone totally mad - business has. The ICO has been saying for some time that what this really does is give it teeth to go after abusers of personal data - ghost callers, pest callers, identity thieves, etc. Those are the real targets.

All we have to do is to what we are supposed to do - use the data for the purpose it was collected and not sell it on or give it away.

The final sentence is the correct one, and is the threat to the people who want our data. Not that I am convinced that they really do have decent analytic tools for it!

Beverley_C

OldKingCole said:

ydoethur said:

philiph said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

If in the Smoke, could such a do be on a weekend so that us country bumpkins can have a day out?

Please, no. I work in town all week.

Last thing I want to do is to get the train up there on the weekend as well.

Bedford it is!

But you can't get to Bedford, it's on the Thameslink network.

How about Tamworth? Nice and central...

Once went to a pub there called the Tame Otter. Couldn’t decide whether it referred to the river beside it or the tractability of the animal.

Apparently, Tamworth is the centroid of mass of Great Britain and is also as far as you can get from the sea

Beverley_C

Foxy said:

Beverley_C said:

DavidL said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

BTW and completely O/T we have had a good deal of legitimate angst about productivity on here from time to time. The productivity of the UK must have taken a serious dunt this month with the absurd amount of time wasted on GDPR which should only ever have applied to firms using big data. My inbox has been stuffed with emails about it. The only positive I can see is that I may get less junk emails going forward.

There has been an interesting range of approaches demonstrating the complete confusion about how this piece of idiocy is supposed to work. So some say we have updated our privacy policy and here it is but you don't need to do anything, others are saying that you have to positively confirm that it is ok to keep writing to you and yet others have simply offered the choice to unsubscribe if you want it.

By far the best has been from Naked Wines whose witty epistle includes:

" There’s nothing you need to do. But if your idea of heaven is a cup of tea, a chocolate digestive and a riveting read through our shiny new Privacy Policy, it’s here. Charles Dickens, eat your heart out."

I'd like to think that this is the last time that we will implement such a poorly thought out, badly drafted, very poorly directed and generally incompetent piece of legislation from the EU without any kind of meaningful guidance but that is probably way too optimistic.

Mrs Brooke for her sins has been lumbered with implementing GDPR for the European end of her employer - an IT multinat

It has been a nightmare for the last 2 weeks as everyone has ignored it until just before the deadline, then panic set in. This week has been spent with execs trying to shoe horn a months work into a day so as not look bad.

The demoralising thing for her is we all know its a total waste of time and effort.

Yet more boxes to tick, forms to fill, policies to be developed and bureaucracy to be adhered to under threat of savage fines. A QC friend of mine based in Singapore asked if Europe had gone totally mad.

Europe has not gone totally mad - business has. The ICO has been saying for some time that what this really does is give it teeth to go after abusers of personal data - ghost callers, pest callers, identity thieves, etc. Those are the real targets.

All we have to do is to what we are supposed to do - use the data for the purpose it was collected and not sell it on or give it away.

The final sentence is the correct one, and is the threat to the people who want our data. Not that I am convinced that they really do have decent analytic tools for it!

welshowl

DavidL said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

BTW and completely O/T we have had a good deal of legitimate angst about productivity on here from time to time. The productivity of the UK must have taken a serious dunt this month with the absurd amount of time wasted on GDPR which should only ever have applied to firms using big data. My inbox has been stuffed with emails about it. The only positive I can see is that I may get less junk emails going forward.

There has been an interesting range of approaches demonstrating the complete confusion about how this piece of idiocy is supposed to work. So some say we have updated our privacy policy and here it is but you don't need to do anything, others are saying that you have to positively confirm that it is ok to keep writing to you and yet others have simply offered the choice to unsubscribe if you want it.

By far the best has been from Naked Wines whose witty epistle includes:

" There’s nothing you need to do. But if your idea of heaven is a cup of tea, a chocolate digestive and a riveting read through our shiny new Privacy Policy, it’s here. Charles Dickens, eat your heart out."

I'd like to think that this is the last time that we will implement such a poorly thought out, badly drafted, very poorly directed and generally incompetent piece of legislation from the EU without any kind of meaningful guidance but that is probably way too optimistic.

Mrs Brooke for her sins has been lumbered with implementing GDPR for the European end of her employer - an IT multinat

It has been a nightmare for the last 2 weeks as everyone has ignored it until just before the deadline, then panic set in. This week has been spent with execs trying to shoe horn a months work into a day so as not look bad.

The demoralising thing for her is we all know its a total waste of time and effort.

Yet more boxes to tick, forms to fill, policies to be developed and bureaucracy to be adhered to under threat of savage fines. A QC friend of mine based in Singapore asked if Europe had gone totally mad.

Quite. I’m not holding my breath for the first big Chinese multi national to be prosecuted by the EU/member state (won’t that be fun and larks, oh how the Chinese will laugh. And I wouldn’t blame them). I have a suspicion that they will go after the local easy small fry to justify their pen pushing existence. As ever in this world.

Morris_Dancer

Any timetable for the Irish results/exit polling?

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/999924169545474048