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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,882

    Mr. P, the triple approach seems really odd to me. I thought the point of hosting it in one (or occasionally two) countries was to help cut travel costs for fans. That world cup will be spread across thousands of miles. However, at least it isn't as dodgy as Russia or Abu Dhabi.

    Qatar, my friend ;)
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    Mr. Sandpit, ah, right, sorry. And thanks.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    Guardian liveblog says it will need to be confirmed by FIFA Council, but both Japan and South Korea automatically qualified when they were joint hosts, so with 48 teams seems very likely.

    Bit of a nonsense all round.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    It will also lead to the potential for another disgrace of Gijón with three team groups.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    It will also lead to the potential for another disgrace of Gijón with three team groups.
    The seeding will be interesting too. I guess they'll have at least four pots of eight teams (perhaps a fifth pot of 16 teams) and pair the groups (e.g. 1, 4, 5 paired with 2, 3, 5).
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850
    Stronger performance so far from TM
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_P said:
    Will the wall be built by then?

    Logistically, that is going to be hell of task. Massive distances between cities and across borders.
    I think it's about the same as Brazil in terms of distances, the issue will be if group games get split between Mexico and the US/Canada. Also, what happens in terms of the hosts being already qualified, seems mental to have three already qualified teams.
    I would have thought that Groups would be organised to reduce travelling. Eg one group is based on the US East Coast plus Toronto, another on the West Coast plus Mexico City. Bit hard on Vancouver of course!
    Just hope a Latino team doesn’t try to go overland from Mexico to the US.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited June 2018

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    It will also lead to the potential for another disgrace of Gijón with three team groups.
    Three team groups? With an extra knock-out round?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,882

    Mr. Sandpit, ah, right, sorry. And thanks.

    Abu Dhabi is that lovely place where we race F1 cars in November. Qatar is that horrible place where the World Cup will be in 2022, if they manage to finish building the stadia and infrastructure.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280

    Stronger performance so far from TM

    She was very caring on her answer on Grenfell
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr Meeks,

    I recently had an Amazon review of my latest e-book 'our foolish ways' that was so over the top, I suspected it was someone like you taking the piss. It was worthy of Mr T. Mr Dancer is probably the one who would be able to spot them, though.

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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850
    "Backstop or Backslide"
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850
    White Paper not ready for June Summit


    As KLE said Pathetic
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974

    Stronger performance so far from TM

    She was very caring on her answer on Grenfell
    About (something) time!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917
    48 teams !

    How many slots will Europe get.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280
    Best I have seen Theresa for a while
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    is the Qatar World Cup still on?

    I confess to feeling much less enthusiastic about this coming one. 52 years of hurt is turning into 52 years of indifference.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    It will also lead to the potential for another disgrace of Gijón with three team groups.
    Three team groups? With an extra knock-out round?
    Yes.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280

    Stronger performance so far from TM

    She was very caring on her answer on Grenfell
    About (something) time!
    She has expressed her regrets a few times to the way she dealt with the immediate aftermath
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,040
    As ever, T May is answering a question with a question. Does she know it's called "Prime Minister's Questions" for a reason?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850

    Best I have seen Theresa for a while

    Would agree with that

    Good joke about Labour Live too
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280
    murali_s said:

    As ever, T May is answering a question with a question. Does she know it's called "Prime Minister's Questions" for a reason?

    For the first time in a few weeks I call that PMQ's a solid win for TM
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    edited June 2018
    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280

    Best I have seen Theresa for a while

    Would agree with that

    Good joke about Labour Live too
    Good for us to agree BJO
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    MaxPB said:

    Scott_P said:
    Will the wall be built by then?

    Logistically, that is going to be hell of task. Massive distances between cities and across borders.
    I think it's about the same as Brazil in terms of distances, the issue will be if group games get split between Mexico and the US/Canada. Also, what happens in terms of the hosts being already qualified, seems mental to have three already qualified teams.
    I would have thought that Groups would be organised to reduce travelling. Eg one group is based on the US East Coast plus Toronto, another on the West Coast plus Mexico City. Bit hard on Vancouver of course!
    Just hope a Latino team doesn’t try to go overland from Mexico to the US.
    We'll be 10 years into the Trumpreich by then, Mexico will be a giant prison camp!
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,989

    murali_s said:

    As ever, T May is answering a question with a question. Does she know it's called "Prime Minister's Questions" for a reason?

    For the first time in a few weeks I call that PMQ's a solid win for TM
    She did better than last week. Both got in powerful punchlines. However, she spoils it when she is winning, by then referring back to the last Labour government (8 years ago) and everyone groans.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850

    murali_s said:

    As ever, T May is answering a question with a question. Does she know it's called "Prime Minister's Questions" for a reason?

    For the first time in a few weeks I call that PMQ's a solid win for TM
    Wouldnt go that far myself but definitely a massive improvement on last few PMQs


    I suspect Sun Politics would agree.

    Bercow in a right tangle. Apparently doesnt know the rules.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, I was about to say that too. FIFA doesn't much like England, but I think the celtic fringes will get us some sympathy. Wales only has one stadium worthy of use and Scotland two, out of 15, 12 would be in England.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    edited June 2018

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Centenary of the inaugural World Cup. It would be nice for Uruguay to host it but they'd need Argentina and Chile too.

    China has to have a chance for 2030 or 2034.

    Personally I wouldn't have a problem of including RoI in a joint bid. Games in Cardiff, Dublin and Glasgow would be good.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    Ian Blackford about to chucked out.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    Scenes.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280
    Bercow clashing with Blackford in big way
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    It will also lead to the potential for another disgrace of Gijón with three team groups.
    Three team groups? With an extra knock-out round?
    Yes.
    So two group matches or four group matches per team?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    Yay he’s getting chucked out.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,882

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, that would be an awesome bid.

    (Avoids obvious joke about Scotland and Wales being over the moon to qualify).
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280
    edited June 2018
    SNP martyring themselves
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    Entire SNP delegation walks out.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850
    Bercow completely lost it.

    SNP have left
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    It will also lead to the potential for another disgrace of Gijón with three team groups.
    Three team groups? With an extra knock-out round?
    Yes.
    So two group matches or four group matches per team?
    Two group games, top two through to round of 32. Knockout from there. It's stupid.

    My ideal World Cup would be:

    Eight groups of four.
    Group winners qualify for second group stage.
    Two group winners from stage 2 play in the final. The side with the best record in the group stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280

    Bercow completely lost it.

    SNP have left

    He acting entirely in accordance with House rules and i would add I do not like Bercow
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Entire SNP delegation walks out.

    That's stolen the PM's good headlines!
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    StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Ian Blackford about to chucked out.

    Following on guardian live blog, don't understand what that was about. Why did he want the House to sit in private?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    PMQs is in danger of sounding interesting.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280

    Ian Blackford about to chucked out.

    Following on guardian live blog, don't understand what that was about. Why did he want the House to sit in private?
    Took exception to yesterday procedures
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    MaxPB said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, I was about to say that too. FIFA doesn't much like England, but I think the celtic fringes will get us some sympathy. Wales only has one stadium worthy of use and Scotland two, out of 15, 12 would be in England.
    Scotland would have 3/4 stadiums.

    Ibrox, Parkhead, Hampden, and possibly Murrayfield.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    tlg86 said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Centenary of the inaugural World Cup. It would be nice for Uruguay to host it but they'd need Argentina and Chile too.

    China has to have a chance for 2030 or 2034.

    Personally I wouldn't have a problem of including RoI in a joint bid. Games in Cardiff, Dublin and Glasgow would be good.
    The danger would be that we'd have two nations as part of the bid that only had one stadium each, that's a precedent that FIFA don't want to set.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,976
    Mr. Eagles, stadia*.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189

    MaxPB said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, I was about to say that too. FIFA doesn't much like England, but I think the celtic fringes will get us some sympathy. Wales only has one stadium worthy of use and Scotland two, out of 15, 12 would be in England.
    Scotland would have 3/4 stadiums.

    Ibrox, Parkhead, Hampden, and possibly Murrayfield.
    Wembley
    Emirates (or the other lot's ground if the pitch is any good)
    Villa Park
    Hillsborough
    Old Trafford
    Anfield
    Millennium Stadium
    Aviva Stadium
    Parkhead
    Murrayfield
    St James Park
    Stadium of Light
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    MaxPB said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, I was about to say that too. FIFA doesn't much like England, but I think the celtic fringes will get us some sympathy. Wales only has one stadium worthy of use and Scotland two, out of 15, 12 would be in England.
    Scotland would have 3/4 stadiums.

    Ibrox, Parkhead, Hampden, and possibly Murrayfield.
    Murrayfield would be a near certainty in any Scots/UK bid – as it's in Edinburgh, where the shopping and nightlife is good (a major consideration for Fifa families).
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,986
    edited June 2018

    Entire SNP delegation walks out.

    That's stolen the PM's good headlines!
    May wins and the SNP walk off in a huff, double the good headlines for Tory Unionists!
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    That's another fifty odd enemies for Bercow, even if 'odd' is the right word. He'll end up with a dirk in his back.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    MaxPB said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, I was about to say that too. FIFA doesn't much like England, but I think the celtic fringes will get us some sympathy. Wales only has one stadium worthy of use and Scotland two, out of 15, 12 would be in England.
    Scotland would have 3/4 stadiums.

    Ibrox, Parkhead, Hampden, and possibly Murrayfield.
    Isn't there a rule about there not being more than x host stadia in one city? Pretty sure that Glasgow wouldn't be allowed three.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, I was about to say that too. FIFA doesn't much like England, but I think the celtic fringes will get us some sympathy. Wales only has one stadium worthy of use and Scotland two, out of 15, 12 would be in England.
    Scotland would have 3/4 stadiums.

    Ibrox, Parkhead, Hampden, and possibly Murrayfield.
    Wembley
    Emirates (or the other lot's ground if the pitch is any good)
    Villa Park
    Hillsborough
    Old Trafford
    Anfield
    Millennium Stadium
    Aviva Stadium
    Parkhead
    Murrayfield
    St James Park
    Stadium of Light
    I'd add new WHL (three in London, which is the limit) and the Etihad. 14 in total. Unfortunately we'd end up with the Olympic Stadium featuring somehow with it's dire atmosphere.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    It will also lead to the potential for another disgrace of Gijón with three team groups.
    Three team groups? With an extra knock-out round?
    Yes.
    So two group matches or four group matches per team?
    Two group games, top two through to round of 32. Knockout from there. It's stupid.

    My ideal World Cup would be:

    Eight groups of four.
    Group winners qualify for second group stage.
    Two group winners from stage 2 play in the final. The side with the best record in the group stages win if the final is a draw after extra time.
    That's a smart format – I would add in a round of 16 as in some groups you would end up with two strong teams in the same group.

    Eight groups of four

    Top two qualify for round of 16 (winners vs runners up from paired group)

    Then into final group stage of eight as you suggest.

    Better ranking splitting draws AET in the final is an awesome idea.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280
    CD13 said:

    That's another fifty odd enemies for Bercow, even if 'odd' is the right word. He'll end up with a dirk in his back.

    35 I think
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited June 2018

    Entire SNP delegation walks out.

    It looked planned the way it occurred. Not spontaneous. It smacks of a hollow stunt that most people will see through.

    I think the Mace being moved has more symbolism. Michael Heseltine and John Mcdonnell have both centered their protests on the Mace. Interestingly John Mcdonnell did his Mace turn against his own Government!
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited June 2018
    £

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378

    MaxPB said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, I was about to say that too. FIFA doesn't much like England, but I think the celtic fringes will get us some sympathy. Wales only has one stadium worthy of use and Scotland two, out of 15, 12 would be in England.
    Scotland would have 3/4 stadiums.

    Ibrox, Parkhead, Hampden, and possibly Murrayfield.
    Isn't there a rule about there not being more than x host stadia in one city? Pretty sure that Glasgow wouldn't be allowed three.
    It was two but the limit has been raised to three for 48 team world cups.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr G

    "35 I think"


    Sorry, you're right, I'm out of date.

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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    Ian Blackford about to chucked out.

    Following on guardian live blog, don't understand what that was about. Why did he want the House to sit in private?
    Took exception to yesterday procedures
    Every single SNP MP made a point of order at the end yesterday so you would have thought they had it out of their systems but apparently not.

    That said, it did seem that Bercow effectively ignored the rules for convenience, which is a little ironic given his answer to all of those points of order was that whilst the debate yesterday was unsatisfactory, it did not break any rules.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189

    tlg86 said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Centenary of the inaugural World Cup. It would be nice for Uruguay to host it but they'd need Argentina and Chile too.

    China has to have a chance for 2030 or 2034.

    Personally I wouldn't have a problem of including RoI in a joint bid. Games in Cardiff, Dublin and Glasgow would be good.
    The danger would be that we'd have two nations as part of the bid that only had one stadium each, that's a precedent that FIFA don't want to set.
    The bigger issue is probably the Welsh, Scottish and Irish associations wanting nothing to do with the English FA due to fears it might affect their independence.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    tlg86 said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Centenary of the inaugural World Cup. It would be nice for Uruguay to host it but they'd need Argentina and Chile too.

    China has to have a chance for 2030 or 2034.

    Personally I wouldn't have a problem of including RoI in a joint bid. Games in Cardiff, Dublin and Glasgow would be good.
    To do an ENG/SCO/WAL treble bid we'd need to invest in a second Welsh ground – almost certainly the Liberty Stadium in Swansea as the Millennium Stadium will be used for sure in Cardiff.

    It would require some – but not ridiculous – investment to take it up to 34,000 capacity or so.

    You can't have a host nation with just one venue – not allowed by Fifa rules AIUI.
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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited June 2018
    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, ah, right, sorry. And thanks.

    Abu Dhabi is that lovely place where we race F1 cars in November. Qatar is that horrible place where the World Cup will be in 2022, if they manage to finish building the stadia and infrastructure.
    Qatar is that lovely place which still has the death penalty in place for Muslim gay men and anyone who has sex outside marriage.

    Abu Dhabi just locks them up for up to 14 years.

    Isn't it shocking that a country which has capital punishment for having sexual relations with the wrong person - or just the suspicion of it - is hosting the football World Cup. And yet there is little comment about it.

    Or is it just we are happy to turn a blind eye in some countries while expressing outrage when it happens in others.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Centenary of the inaugural World Cup. It would be nice for Uruguay to host it but they'd need Argentina and Chile too.

    China has to have a chance for 2030 or 2034.

    Personally I wouldn't have a problem of including RoI in a joint bid. Games in Cardiff, Dublin and Glasgow would be good.
    The danger would be that we'd have two nations as part of the bid that only had one stadium each, that's a precedent that FIFA don't want to set.
    The bigger issue is probably the Welsh, Scottish and Irish associations wanting nothing to do with the English FA due to fears it might affect their independence.
    Yup, England can host a world cup on its own which also helps.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,603

    Mr. Eagles, stadia*.

    Grounds.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    That's easy for you to say when you support a major footballing nation. Millions of avid fans worldwide have almost no chance of seeing their country at a World Cup when it is limited to 32 places. The key, as @tlg86 suggests downthread, is coming up with a better format.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    Anazina said:

    tlg86 said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Centenary of the inaugural World Cup. It would be nice for Uruguay to host it but they'd need Argentina and Chile too.

    China has to have a chance for 2030 or 2034.

    Personally I wouldn't have a problem of including RoI in a joint bid. Games in Cardiff, Dublin and Glasgow would be good.
    To do an ENG/SCO/WAL treble bid we'd need to invest in a second Welsh ground – almost certainly the Liberty Stadium in Swansea as the Millennium Stadium will be used for sure in Cardiff.

    It would require some – but not ridiculous – investment to take it up to 34,000 capacity or so.

    You can't have a host nation with just one venue – not allowed by Fifa rules AIUI.
    Can't we just reclassify Liverpool as being in Wales?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2018
    Anazina said:

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    That's easy for you to say when you support a major footballing nation. Millions of avid fans worldwide have almost no chance of seeing their country at a World Cup when it is limited to 32 places. The key, as @tlg86 suggests downthread, is coming up with a better format.
    We might as well scrap qualifying then, just have everybody go and have a better format when there.

    FIFA aren't doing it for any other reason than to make more money.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,280
    tlg86 said:

    Anazina said:

    tlg86 said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Centenary of the inaugural World Cup. It would be nice for Uruguay to host it but they'd need Argentina and Chile too.

    China has to have a chance for 2030 or 2034.

    Personally I wouldn't have a problem of including RoI in a joint bid. Games in Cardiff, Dublin and Glasgow would be good.
    To do an ENG/SCO/WAL treble bid we'd need to invest in a second Welsh ground – almost certainly the Liberty Stadium in Swansea as the Millennium Stadium will be used for sure in Cardiff.

    It would require some – but not ridiculous – investment to take it up to 34,000 capacity or so.

    You can't have a host nation with just one venue – not allowed by Fifa rules AIUI.
    Can't we just reclassify Liverpool as being in Wales?
    No !!!!!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    England going to be chasing in the ODI.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Anazina said:

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    That's easy for you to say when you support a major footballing nation. Millions of avid fans worldwide have almost no chance of seeing their country at a World Cup when it is limited to 32 places. The key, as @tlg86 suggests downthread, is coming up with a better format.
    We might as well scrap qualifying then, just have everybody go and have a better format when there.

    FIFA aren't doing it for any other reason than to make more money.
    :D

    Even entire continents would struggle to schedule fixtures between 211 teams in a six week period!!
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871

    Yay he’s getting chucked out.

    The Westminster softies don't like it up em, bunch of woosies
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    tlg86 said:

    Anazina said:

    tlg86 said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Centenary of the inaugural World Cup. It would be nice for Uruguay to host it but they'd need Argentina and Chile too.

    China has to have a chance for 2030 or 2034.

    Personally I wouldn't have a problem of including RoI in a joint bid. Games in Cardiff, Dublin and Glasgow would be good.
    To do an ENG/SCO/WAL treble bid we'd need to invest in a second Welsh ground – almost certainly the Liberty Stadium in Swansea as the Millennium Stadium will be used for sure in Cardiff.

    It would require some – but not ridiculous – investment to take it up to 34,000 capacity or so.

    You can't have a host nation with just one venue – not allowed by Fifa rules AIUI.
    Can't we just reclassify Liverpool as being in Wales?
    Well Wales have used it as a home ground in the past!
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    With a bit of luck the ongoing SNP transition into SF will result in them permanently refusing to take their seats.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    That's easy for you to say when you support a major footballing nation. Millions of avid fans worldwide have almost no chance of seeing their country at a World Cup when it is limited to 32 places. The key, as @tlg86 suggests downthread, is coming up with a better format.
    We might as well scrap qualifying then, just have everybody go and have a better format when there.

    FIFA aren't doing it for any other reason than to make more money.
    :D

    Even entire continents would struggle to schedule fixtures between 211 teams in a six week period!!
    You could just do a pre-qualifying tournament for smaller nations like the cricket world cup used to do.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871
    maaarsh said:

    Ian Blackford about to chucked out.

    Following on guardian live blog, don't understand what that was about. Why did he want the House to sit in private?
    Took exception to yesterday procedures
    Every single SNP MP made a point of order at the end yesterday so you would have thought they had it out of their systems but apparently not.

    That said, it did seem that Bercow effectively ignored the rules for convenience, which is a little ironic given his answer to all of those points of order was that whilst the debate yesterday was unsatisfactory, it did not break any rules.
    Don't be a thick turnip, Westminster has just torn up devolution, there will be far more trouble to come for sure.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,320
    Maybe the SNP could flounce out of the Commons for the whole next 9 months and make Theresa’s job a whole lot easier.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871

    Entire SNP delegation walks out.

    It looked planned the way it occurred. Not spontaneous. It smacks of a hollow stunt that most people will see through.

    I think the Mace being moved has more symbolism. Michael Heseltine and John Mcdonnell have both centered their protests on the Mace. Interestingly John Mcdonnell did his Mace turn against his own Government!
    only most sleazy tories you mean
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,882
    Ooh, PMQs sounds like it was fun. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the actual situation Bercow’s just made three dozen more enemies.
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,808
    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, I was about to say that too. FIFA doesn't much like England, but I think the celtic fringes will get us some sympathy. Wales only has one stadium worthy of use and Scotland two, out of 15, 12 would be in England.
    Scotland would have 3/4 stadiums.

    Ibrox, Parkhead, Hampden, and possibly Murrayfield.
    Wembley
    Emirates (or the other lot's ground if the pitch is any good)
    Villa Park
    Hillsborough
    Old Trafford
    Anfield
    Millennium Stadium
    Aviva Stadium
    Parkhead
    Murrayfield
    St James Park
    Stadium of Light
    I'd add new WHL (three in London, which is the limit) and the Etihad. 14 in total. Unfortunately we'd end up with the Olympic Stadium featuring somehow with it's dire atmosphere.
    One has at least to respectfully ask the question about Croke Park and perhaps even 1-2 other of the larger GAA venues.

    In spreading things about, stadia of around 30k capacity are eligible and appropriate for third seed vs fourth seed games, so one could try and work in a SW venue (though I can't think of one further West than St Mary's)

    Our problem is ruling out stadia rather than ruling in.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    TGOHF said:

    With a bit of luck the ongoing SNP transition into SF will result in them permanently refusing to take their seats.

    But the subsidy junk SNP will still claim their allowances.

    Who can forget women of the people Mhairi Black travelling first class.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/paisleys-snp-mps-defend-travel-8925654
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    I think 32 teams is enough. Since its inception, 79 teams have played at the finals. I can't imagine expanding it to 48 teams will make much difference. It'll just mean the same middling teams qualifying regularly.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Maybe the SNP could flounce out of the Commons for the whole next 9 months and make Theresa’s job a whole lot easier.

    Simply open a free grievance stall 100yd down the road and you'll never see them again.
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,808
    Sandpit said:

    Ooh, PMQs sounds like it was fun. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the actual situation Bercow’s just made three dozen more enemies.

    It's only 1pm. It's still going on, of course.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    On top of the staff allegations and the SNP furore, is there a real chance that we'll have a new Speaker before the recess?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    Just imagine if there's a tie in one of the votes today.

    Ian Blackford's gonna feel sicker than a cyclist with piles.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871
    TGOHF said:

    With a bit of luck the ongoing SNP transition into SF will result in them permanently refusing to take their seats.

    TGOHF said:

    With a bit of luck the ongoing SNP transition into SF will result in them permanently refusing to take their seats.

    Be no need for seats soon
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871

    TGOHF said:

    With a bit of luck the ongoing SNP transition into SF will result in them permanently refusing to take their seats.

    But the subsidy junk SNP will still claim their allowances.

    Who can forget women of the people Mhairi Black travelling first class.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/paisleys-snp-mps-defend-travel-8925654
    You absolute thick balloon , there is only one class of travel
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Pro_Rata said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, I was about to say that too. FIFA doesn't much like England, but I think the celtic fringes will get us some sympathy. Wales only has one stadium worthy of use and Scotland two, out of 15, 12 would be in England.
    Scotland would have 3/4 stadiums.

    Ibrox, Parkhead, Hampden, and possibly Murrayfield.
    Wembley
    Emirates (or the other lot's ground if the pitch is any good)
    Villa Park
    Hillsborough
    Old Trafford
    Anfield
    Millennium Stadium
    Aviva Stadium
    Parkhead
    Murrayfield
    St James Park
    Stadium of Light
    I'd add new WHL (three in London, which is the limit) and the Etihad. 14 in total. Unfortunately we'd end up with the Olympic Stadium featuring somehow with it's dire atmosphere.
    One has at least to respectfully ask the question about Croke Park and perhaps even 1-2 other of the larger GAA venues.

    In spreading things about, stadia of around 30k capacity are eligible and appropriate for third seed vs fourth seed games, so one could try and work in a SW venue (though I can't think of one further West than St Mary's)

    Our problem is ruling out stadia rather than ruling in.
    Aston Gate in Bristol has 27,000.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    With a bit of luck the ongoing SNP transition into SF will result in them permanently refusing to take their seats.

    But the subsidy junk SNP will still claim their allowances.

    Who can forget women of the people Mhairi Black travelling first class.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/paisleys-snp-mps-defend-travel-8925654
    You absolute thick balloon , there is only one class of travel
    You really are thick as pig crap Malcolm.

    All but one of these trips was a Business UK ticket, with the other, a £108 economy seat flying from the city’s Stansted Airport to Glasgow Airport.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    brendan16 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, ah, right, sorry. And thanks.

    Abu Dhabi is that lovely place where we race F1 cars in November. Qatar is that horrible place where the World Cup will be in 2022, if they manage to finish building the stadia and infrastructure.
    Qatar is that lovely place which still has the death penalty in place for Muslim gay men and anyone who has sex outside marriage.

    Abu Dhabi just locks them up for up to 14 years.

    Isn't it shocking that a country which has capital punishment for having sexual relations with the wrong person - or just the suspicion of it - is hosting the football World Cup. And yet there is little comment about it.

    Or is it just we are happy to turn a blind eye in some countries while expressing outrage when it happens in others.
    No, it's more an inability to concentrate on more than one thing at a time. I'm sure there'll be plenty of comment on Qatar as a host over the next four years.

    I very much hope that they do get to keep the World Cup. It'll do no end of good for the world to see how poor a spectacle it'll be, with the lack of fans.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,955
    edited June 2018
    Tbf to the SNP, which is not my natural inclination, 15 mins to debate devolved powers does seem less than optimal.
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    They have been predicting Theresa May's political demise for some time now -although clearly -barring some Falklands like transformation in her fortunes, the Tories are not going to allow her to fight another general election.

    As to the author's big red number, I believe that the Tories would be best to elect a current non runner as the next leader. Not Boris Johnson who is a vote winner for the opposition. Not Sajid Javid who looks like a Bond villain who has lost his cat. Not Rees Mogg who sounds as he has a had a pineapple rammed up his arse.

    My red number would be next to Dominic Raab closely followed by Matt Hancock. They would be the sensible choice but with all the current wind and bluster sense may not be the deciding factor.
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,808

    Pro_Rata said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The 48 team/3 hosts World Cup makes it likely that England/Scotland/Wales launch a joint bid for 2030.

    Yes, I was about to say that too. FIFA doesn't much like England, but I think the celtic fringes will get us some sympathy. Wales only has one stadium worthy of use and Scotland two, out of 15, 12 would be in England.
    Scotland would have 3/4 stadiums.

    Ibrox, Parkhead, Hampden, and possibly Murrayfield.
    Wembley
    Emirates (or the other lot's ground if the pitch is any good)
    Villa Park
    Hillsborough
    Old Trafford
    Anfield
    Millennium Stadium
    Aviva Stadium
    Parkhead
    Murrayfield
    St James Park
    Stadium of Light
    I'd add new WHL (three in London, which is the limit) and the Etihad. 14 in total. Unfortunately we'd end up with the Olympic Stadium featuring somehow with it's dire atmosphere.
    One has at least to respectfully ask the question about Croke Park and perhaps even 1-2 other of the larger GAA venues.

    In spreading things about, stadia of around 30k capacity are eligible and appropriate for third seed vs fourth seed games, so one could try and work in a SW venue (though I can't think of one further West than St Mary's)

    Our problem is ruling out stadia rather than ruling in.
    Ashton Gate in Bristol has 27,000.
    That'd do.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    With a bit of luck the ongoing SNP transition into SF will result in them permanently refusing to take their seats.

    But the subsidy junk SNP will still claim their allowances.

    Who can forget women of the people Mhairi Black travelling first class.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/paisleys-snp-mps-defend-travel-8925654
    I'd happily pay them double not to turn up ever.

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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    That's easy for you to say when you support a major footballing nation. Millions of avid fans worldwide have almost no chance of seeing their country at a World Cup when it is limited to 32 places. The key, as @tlg86 suggests downthread, is coming up with a better format.
    We might as well scrap qualifying then, just have everybody go and have a better format when there.

    FIFA aren't doing it for any other reason than to make more money.
    :D

    Even entire continents would struggle to schedule fixtures between 211 teams in a six week period!!
    You could just do a pre-qualifying tournament for smaller nations like the cricket world cup used to do.
    The cricket world cup still does.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Anazina said:

    Anazina said:

    Scott_P said:
    Does anyone know if that means all three of Canada, USA and Mexico automatically qualify?
    I believe all three qualify because the World Cup will now feature 48 teams.
    That's bloody stupid number. 32 is more than enough.
    That's easy for you to say when you support a major footballing nation. Millions of avid fans worldwide have almost no chance of seeing their country at a World Cup when it is limited to 32 places. The key, as @tlg86 suggests downthread, is coming up with a better format.
    We might as well scrap qualifying then, just have everybody go and have a better format when there.

    FIFA aren't doing it for any other reason than to make more money.
    :D

    Even entire continents would struggle to schedule fixtures between 211 teams in a six week period!!
    You could just do a pre-qualifying tournament for smaller nations like the cricket world cup used to do.
    The cricket world cup still does.
    Yes unfortunately it is a year in advance. They should dovetail them.
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