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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387

    Made a tidy sum trading off the highs and lows of Croatia and Russia on Betfair the last 20 minutes.

    I lost my £2 :) have fun with it
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,044
    Is there any way either team will recover from this to face England?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,572
    So do Croatia give the gloves to one of their outfield players for the shoot-out?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,834

    Is there any way either team will recover from this to face England?

    Lets hope not.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,240
    spire2 said:

    that's Russia through he cant save any penalties he can hardly move

    Problem is the players are on their knees too. Anything could happen next
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    surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    Floater said:
    It does not demolish the cabinet's plan - it simply confirms it. WE will be in the EU SM and CU in all but name.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,683
    Some reflections on the Chequers statement:

    1. It is a conjurer's sleight of hand. Theresa May gets people to focus on the future relationship while the critical manoeuvre is the Withdrawal Agreement. The Withdrawal Agreement is a hard treaty arrangement. If we don't follow through we can be hauled in front the Court of Settlements in the Hague, whereas the "Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework" that the Chequers statement links to is every bit as vague as it sounds.

    2. The Future Relationship Framework declaration can therefore be as fudged as we like. It's never going to be the treaty but negotiators might refer to it in post-Brexit negotiations if they feel like it.

    3. Chequers tells us the government will sign the Northern Ireland backstop so the WA goes ahead. The government will hope the FRF will give cover and credibility to their claim the NI backstop will never be used.

    4. The EU should welcome Chequers in its normal bland Eurospeak as a basis of of a FRF subject to blahblah if it moves the WA forward, which is what really matters. EU people are usually tactful when they are getting their way but Barnier is a bit of a loose cannon and the sheer number of parties involved increases the possibility of a row blowing up.

    5. Brexiteers have weakened their position by not devising a credible alternative plan for Brexit that people can rally around. As a Remoaner I can see why they didn't. Nevertheless it's a problem for them.

    6. No-one is thinking strategically: neither the Govt, the EU nor Brexiteers. The focus is entirely on staggering through to March 29 next year.

    7. Theresa May is stretching the truth on her red lines. So "The UK and the EU would maintain a common rulebook" actually means the UK doing whatever is in the EU rulebook. The CJEU wouldn't rule on UK cases because it never has done, even when the UK was a member - a common misconception.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,999

    spire2 said:

    that's Russia through he cant save any penalties he can hardly move

    Problem is the players are on their knees too. Anything could happen next
    They can still waddle.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,108
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    So Croatia are going into a penalty shootout with a goalkeeper who has damaged his hamstring. Interesting. In a slightly delusional kind of way.

    Surely they’ll sub him at the last minute if he’s genuinely injured. Or maybe he’ll do a Bruce Grobbelaar.
    Edit: could be moot now. Croatia score.
    They’ve used their 4th sub. If Russia equalise they are stuck with him.
    Ah, so they’d need to use one of the 10 men already on the pitch as the goalie.
    Forgive me, it’s after midnight in the sandpit.
    May not be a problem. Russia look knackered.
    You were saying?
    Not my best forecast. But how many times have we seen an injured batsman frustrate the opposition? It could happen again.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,955
    FF43 said:

    Some reflections on the Chequers statement:

    1. It is a conjurer's sleight of hand. Theresa May gets people to focus on the future relationship while the critical manoeuvre is the Withdrawal Agreement. The Withdrawal Agreement is a hard treaty arrangement. If we don't follow through we can be hauled in front the Court of Settlements in the Hague, whereas the "Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework" that the Chequers statement links to is every bit as vague as it sounds.

    2. The Future Relationship Framework declaration can therefore be as fudged as we like. It's never going to be the treaty but negotiators might refer to it in post-Brexit negotiations if they feel like it.

    3. Chequers tells us the government will sign the Northern Ireland backstop so the WA goes ahead. The government will hope the FRF will give cover and credibility to their claim the NI backstop will never be used.

    4. The EU should welcome Chequers in its normal bland Eurospeak as a basis of of a FRF subject to blahblah if it moves the WA forward, which is what really matters. EU people are usually tactful when they are getting their way but Barnier is a bit of a loose cannon and the sheer number of parties involved increases the possibility of a row blowing up.

    5. Brexiteers have weakened their position by not devising a credible alternative plan for Brexit that people can rally around. As a Remoaner I can see why they didn't. Nevertheless it's a problem for them.

    6. No-one is thinking strategically: neither the Govt, the EU nor Brexiteers. The focus is entirely on staggering through to March 29 next year.

    7. Theresa May is stretching the truth on her red lines. So "The UK and the EU would maintain a common rulebook" actually means the UK doing whatever is in the EU rulebook. The CJEU wouldn't rule on UK cases because it never has done, even when the UK was a member - a common misconception.

    How’d you make the jump from the Chequers statement to 3)?
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    Martin Howe is a QC, but I'm still baffled as to the nature of his instruction.

    "Instructing Solicitors ask that you prepare a short memo, briefly opposing everything in the Chequers note"?

    It just seems so bizarre to me, as a task. No real depth of analysis, no real action points, no balanced judgments.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,999

    Martin Howe is a QC, but I'm still baffled as to the nature of his instruction.

    "Instructing Solicitors ask that you prepare a short memo, briefly opposing everything in the Chequers note"?

    It just seems so bizarre to me, as a task. No real depth of analysis, no real action points, no balanced judgments.

    He’s also a pro Brexit activist - http://lawyersforbritain.org
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,999
    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    Some reflections on the Chequers statement:

    1. It is a conjurer's sleight of hand. Theresa May gets people to focus on the future relationship while the critical manoeuvre is the Withdrawal Agreement. The Withdrawal Agreement is a hard treaty arrangement. If we don't follow through we can be hauled in front the Court of Settlements in the Hague, whereas the "Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework" that the Chequers statement links to is every bit as vague as it sounds.

    2. The Future Relationship Framework declaration can therefore be as fudged as we like. It's never going to be the treaty but negotiators might refer to it in post-Brexit negotiations if they feel like it.

    3. Chequers tells us the government will sign the Northern Ireland backstop so the WA goes ahead. The government will hope the FRF will give cover and credibility to their claim the NI backstop will never be used.

    4. The EU should welcome Chequers in its normal bland Eurospeak as a basis of of a FRF subject to blahblah if it moves the WA forward, which is what really matters. EU people are usually tactful when they are getting their way but Barnier is a bit of a loose cannon and the sheer number of parties involved increases the possibility of a row blowing up.

    5. Brexiteers have weakened their position by not devising a credible alternative plan for Brexit that people can rally around. As a Remoaner I can see why they didn't. Nevertheless it's a problem for them.

    6. No-one is thinking strategically: neither the Govt, the EU nor Brexiteers. The focus is entirely on staggering through to March 29 next year.

    7. Theresa May is stretching the truth on her red lines. So "The UK and the EU would maintain a common rulebook" actually means the UK doing whatever is in the EU rulebook. The CJEU wouldn't rule on UK cases because it never has done, even when the UK was a member - a common misconception.

    How’d you make the jump from the Chequers statement to 3)?
    It says so in the statement.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,232
    If Lovren takes one Croatia are out.

    He took one for Liverpool and it ended up in orbit.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,955

    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    Some reflections on the Chequers statement:

    1. It is a conjurer's sleight of hand. Theresa May gets people to focus on the future relationship while the critical manoeuvre is the Withdrawal Agreement. The Withdrawal Agreement is a hard treaty arrangement. If we don't follow through we can be hauled in front the Court of Settlements in the Hague, whereas the "Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework" that the Chequers statement links to is every bit as vague as it sounds.

    2. The Future Relationship Framework declaration can therefore be as fudged as we like. It's never going to be the treaty but negotiators might refer to it in post-Brexit negotiations if they feel like it.

    3. Chequers tells us the government will sign the Northern Ireland backstop so the WA goes ahead. The government will hope the FRF will give cover and credibility to their claim the NI backstop will never be used.

    4. The EU should welcome Chequers in its normal bland Eurospeak as a basis of of a FRF subject to blahblah if it moves the WA forward, which is what really matters. EU people are usually tactful when they are getting their way but Barnier is a bit of a loose cannon and the sheer number of parties involved increases the possibility of a row blowing up.

    5. Brexiteers have weakened their position by not devising a credible alternative plan for Brexit that people can rally around. As a Remoaner I can see why they didn't. Nevertheless it's a problem for them.

    6. No-one is thinking strategically: neither the Govt, the EU nor Brexiteers. The focus is entirely on staggering through to March 29 next year.

    7. Theresa May is stretching the truth on her red lines. So "The UK and the EU would maintain a common rulebook" actually means the UK doing whatever is in the EU rulebook. The CJEU wouldn't rule on UK cases because it never has done, even when the UK was a member - a common misconception.

    How’d you make the jump from the Chequers statement to 3)?
    It says so in the statement.
    That they’d agree to a border in the Irish Sea? Must have missed that.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,232
    Hurrah, the poisoners are out.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,434
    Poor old Vladimir, what a shame
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    What happened the last time England played three at the back against Croatia?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,108
    SeanT said:

    DavidL said:

    Oh yes.

    Oh no. I'd rather face Croatia than Russia on this massive home advantage high, and with a referee terrified of polonium poisoning.
    Be careful what you wish for.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,999
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    Some reflections on the Chequers statement:

    1. It is a conjurer's sleight of hand. Theresa May gets people to focus on the future relationship while the critical manoeuvre is the Withdrawal Agreement. The Withdrawal Agreement is a hard treaty arrangement. If we don't follow through we can be hauled in front the Court of Settlements in the Hague, whereas the "Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework" that the Chequers statement links to is every bit as vague as it sounds.

    2. The Future Relationship Framework declaration can therefore be as fudged as we like. It's never going to be the treaty but negotiators might refer to it in post-Brexit negotiations if they feel like it.

    3. Chequers tells us the government will sign the Northern Ireland backstop so the WA goes ahead. The government will hope the FRF will give cover and credibility to their claim the NI backstop will never be used.

    4. The EU should welcome Chequers in its normal bland Eurospeak as a basis of of a FRF subject to blahblah if it moves the WA forward, which is what really matters. EU people are usually tactful when they are getting their way but Barnier is a bit of a loose cannon and the sheer number of parties involved increases the possibility of a row blowing up.

    5. Brexiteers have weakened their position by not devising a credible alternative plan for Brexit that people can rally around. As a Remoaner I can see why they didn't. Nevertheless it's a problem for them.

    6. No-one is thinking strategically: neither the Govt, the EU nor Brexiteers. The focus is entirely on staggering through to March 29 next year.

    7. Theresa May is stretching the truth on her red lines. So "The UK and the EU would maintain a common rulebook" actually means the UK doing whatever is in the EU rulebook. The CJEU wouldn't rule on UK cases because it never has done, even when the UK was a member - a common misconception.

    How’d you make the jump from the Chequers statement to 3)?
    It says so in the statement.
    That they’d agree to a border in the Irish Sea? Must have missed that.
    No it says they’ll sign the backstop. The idea is that it will never come into effect because the future relationship will supersede it, but that won’t be guaranteed until after we leave.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    What this game lacked in quality it more than made up with in drama.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,683
    RobD said:


    How’d you make the jump from the Chequers statement to 3)?

    It's in the Chequers statement:

    Taken together, we noted that such a relationship would see the UK and the EU meet their commitments to Northern Ireland and Ireland through the overall future relationship: preserving the constitutional and economic integrity of the UK; honouring the letter and the spirit of the Belfast Agreement; and ensuring that the operational legal text the UK will nonetheless agree on the ‘backstop’ solution as part of the Withdrawal Agreement would not need to be brought into effect. In this context, we also noted that this proposal should allow both parties to resolve the remaining Withdrawal Agreement issues, including the ‘backstop’.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,232
    Corbyn and Farage can breath easily now.

    They won't have split loyalties on Wednesday.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,834
    England play Croatia on Wednesday night!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,195

    If Lovren takes one Croatia are out.

    He took one for Liverpool and it ended up in orbit.

    Croatia are not out!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,955

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    Some reflections on the Chequers statement:

    1. It is a conjurer's sleight of hand. Theresa May gets people to focus on the future relationship while the critical manoeuvre is the Withdrawal Agreement. The Withdrawal Agreement is a hard treaty arrangement. If we don't follow through we can be hauled in front the Court of Settlements in the Hague, whereas the "Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework" that the Chequers statement links to is every bit as vague as it sounds.

    2. The Future Relationship Framework declaration can therefore be as fudged as we like. It's never going to be the treaty but negotiators might refer to it in post-Brexit negotiations if they feel like it.

    3. Chequers tells us the government will sign the Northern Ireland backstop so the WA goes ahead. The government will hope the FRF will give cover and credibility to their claim the NI backstop will never be used.

    4. The EU should welcome Chequers in its normal bland Eurospeak as a basis of of a FRF subject to blahblah if it moves the WA forward, which is what really matters. EU people are usually tactful when they are getting their way but Barnier is a bit of a loose cannon and the sheer number of parties involved increases the possibility of a row blowing up.

    5. Brexiteers have weakened their position by not devising a credible alternative plan for Brexit that people can rally around. As a Remoaner I can see why they didn't. Nevertheless it's a problem for them.

    6. No-one is thinking strategically: neither the Govt, the EU nor Brexiteers. The focus is entirely on staggering through to March 29 next year.

    7. Theresa May is stretching the truth on her red lines. So "The UK and the EU would maintain a common rulebook" actually means the UK doing whatever is in the EU rulebook. The CJEU wouldn't rule on UK cases because it never has done, even when the UK was a member - a common misconception.

    How’d you make the jump from the Chequers statement to 3)?
    It says so in the statement.
    That they’d agree to a border in the Irish Sea? Must have missed that.
    No it says they’ll sign the backstop. The idea is that it will never come into effect because the future relationship will supersede it, but that won’t be guaranteed until after we leave.
    Ah yes, but aren’t they still negotiating it? Of course they will sign a withdrawal agreement.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    Some reflections on the Chequers statement:

    1. It is a conjurer's sleight of hand. Theresa May gets people to focus on the future relationship while the critical manoeuvre is the Withdrawal Agreement. The Withdrawal Agreement is a hard treaty arrangement. If we don't follow through we can be hauled in front the Court of Settlements in the Hague, whereas the "Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework" that the Chequers statement links to is every bit as vague as it sounds.

    2. The Future Relationship Framework declaration can therefore be as fudged as we like. It's never going to be the treaty but negotiators might refer to it in post-Brexit negotiations if they feel like it.

    3. Chequers tells us the government will sign the Northern Ireland backstop so the WA goes ahead. The government will hope the FRF will give cover and credibility to their claim the NI backstop will never be used.

    4. The EU should welcome Chequers in its normal bland Eurospeak as a basis of of a FRF subject to blahblah if it moves the WA forward, which is what really matters. EU people are usually tactful when they are getting their way but Barnier is a bit of a loose cannon and the sheer number of parties involved increases the possibility of a row blowing up.

    5. Brexiteers have weakened their position by not devising a credible alternative plan for Brexit that people can rally around. As a Remoaner I can see why they didn't. Nevertheless it's a problem for them.

    6. No-one is thinking strategically: neither the Govt, the EU nor Brexiteers. The focus is entirely on staggering through to March 29 next year.

    7. Theresa May is stretching the truth on her red lines. So "The UK and the EU would maintain a common rulebook" actually means the UK doing whatever is in the EU rulebook. The CJEU wouldn't rule on UK cases because it never has done, even when the UK was a member - a common misconception.

    How’d you make the jump from the Chequers statement to 3)?
    It says so in the statement.
    That they’d agree to a border in the Irish Sea? Must have missed that.
    Agree to abackstop, not necessarily the one that is currently on offer I suspect.

    I just struggle to see how the government can sign up to a deal which splits the UK, even if it says it won't be needed. The backstop still needs work.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,232
    tlg86 said:

    What happened the last time England played three at the back against Croatia?

    Is that the match when England's Brave John Terry was injured to play for England yet was fine to play for Chelsea on Saturday?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited July 2018
    The Russians simply didn't have the nerve (agent) in the end ....
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Russia out. Good.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,232
    edited July 2018
    Boris has labelled Mrs May's deal 'a big turd'
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    Feel like we must have at least a 50/50 shot of getting to the final now - Croatia not a terrifying prospect, so perhaps even more like 60/40.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609

    Boris has labelled Mrs May's deal a 'turd'

    So he is no longer in the Cabinet then? He agreed to it yesterday.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SeanT said:

    Fucking hell. Footie!

    England can take Croatia. Indeed they SHOULD.

    If England can't beat this Croatia they should pack in playing football entirely. England are as good as in the final.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,240

    Boris has labelled Mrs May's deal 'a big turd'

    Where
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,195
    Argentina (1990) and Croatia (2018) are the only teams to win shoot-outs twice in the same World Cup
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    SeanT said:

    DavidL said:

    Oh yes.

    Oh no. I'd rather face Croatia than Russia on this massive home advantage high, and with a referee terrified of polonium poisoning.
    Agreed. I’m not saying we will win, but Russia in Moscow under lights was not a tempting prospect!!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,999
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    Some reflections on the Chequers statement:

    1. It is a conjurer's sleight of hand. Theresa May gets people to focus on the future relationship while the critical manoeuvre is the Withdrawal Agreement. The Withdrawal Agreement is a hard treaty arrangement. If we don't follow through we can be hauled in front the Court of Settlements in the Hague, whereas the "Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework" that the Chequers statement links to is every bit as vague as it sounds.

    2. The Future Relationship Framework declaration can therefore be as fudged as we like. It's never going to be the treaty but negotiators might refer to it in post-Brexit negotiations if they feel like it.

    3. Chequers tells us the government will sign the Northern Ireland backstop so the WA goes ahead. The government will hope the FRF will give cover and credibility to their claim the NI backstop will never be used.

    4. The EU should welcome Chequers in its normal bland Eurospeak as a basis of of a FRF subject to blahblah if it moves the WA forward, which is what really matters. EU people are usually tactful when they are getting their way but Barnier is a bit of a loose cannon and the sheer number of parties involved increases the possibility of a row blowing up.

    5. Brexiteers have weakened their position by not devising a credible alternative plan for Brexit that people can rally around. As a Remoaner I can see why they didn't. Nevertheless it's a problem for them.

    6. No-one is thinking strategically: neither the Govt, the EU nor Brexiteers. The focus is entirely on staggering through to March 29 next year.

    7. Theresa May is stretching the truth on her red lines. So "The UK and the EU would maintain a common rulebook" actually means the UK doing whatever is in the EU rulebook. The CJEU wouldn't rule on UK cases because it never has done, even when the UK was a member - a common misconception.

    How’d you make the jump from the Chequers statement to 3)?
    It says so in the statement.
    That they’d agree to a border in the Irish Sea? Must have missed that.
    No it says they’ll sign the backstop. The idea is that it will never come into effect because the future relationship will supersede it, but that won’t be guaranteed until after we leave.
    Ah yes, but aren’t they still negotiating it? Of course they will sign a withdrawal agreement.
    They’re only finalising the definition of which single market rules need full alignment. The UK’s alternative proposal of a UK-wide backstop was comprehensively rejected and the UK is no longer proposing a different idea.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,955
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    Some reflections on the Chequers statement:

    1. It is a conjurer's sleight of hand. Theresa May gets people to focus on the future relationship while the critical manoeuvre is the Withdrawal Agreement. The Withdrawal Agreement is a hard treaty arrangement. If we don't follow through we can be hauled in front the Court of Settlements in the Hague, whereas the "Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework" that the Chequers statement links to is every bit as vague as it sounds.

    2. The Future Relationship Framework declaration can therefore be as fudged as we like. It's never going to be the treaty but negotiators might refer to it in post-Brexit negotiations if they feel like it.

    3. Chequers tells us the government will sign the Northern Ireland backstop so the WA goes ahead. The government will hope the FRF will give cover and credibility to their claim the NI backstop will never be used.

    4. The EU should welcome Chequers in its normal bland Eurospeak as a basis of of a FRF subject to blahblah if it moves the WA forward, which is what really matters. EU people are usually tactful when they are getting their way but Barnier is a bit of a loose cannon and the sheer number of parties involved increases the possibility of a row blowing up.

    5. Brexiteers have weakened their position by not devising a credible alternative plan for Brexit that people can rally around. As a Remoaner I can see why they didn't. Nevertheless it's a problem for them.

    6. No-one is thinking strategically: neither the Govt, the EU nor Brexiteers. The focus is entirely on staggering through to March 29 next year.

    7. Theresa May is stretching the truth on her red lines. So "The UK and the EU would maintain a common rulebook" actually means the UK doing whatever is in the EU rulebook. The CJEU wouldn't rule on UK cases because it never has done, even when the UK was a member - a common misconception.

    How’d you make the jump from the Chequers statement to 3)?
    It says so in the statement.
    That they’d agree to a border in the Irish Sea? Must have missed that.
    Agree to abackstop, not necessarily the one that is currently on offer I suspect.

    I just struggle to see how the government can sign up to a deal which splits the UK, even if it says it won't be needed. The backstop still needs work.
    Even Grieve wouldn’t sign up to the current one.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,788

    Boris has labelled Mrs May's deal 'a big turd'

    :D
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Russia out. Hooray!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,246
    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking hell. Footie!

    England can take Croatia. Indeed they SHOULD.

    If England can't beat this Croatia they should pack in playing football entirely. England are as good as in the final.
    Watch the hubris
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SeanT said:

    Fucking hell. Footie!

    England can take Croatia. Indeed they SHOULD.

    I agree,if England had to face that home advantage crowd for russia,it could have been tricky.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,028
    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking hell. Footie!

    England can take Croatia. Indeed they SHOULD.

    If England can't beat this Croatia they should pack in playing football entirely. England are as good as in the final.
    Irrespective of the merits of the two teams there's always the luck factor.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,955

    Boris has labelled Mrs May's deal 'a big turd'

    May has just cause to fire him. One can hope....
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,108
    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Fucking hell. Footie!

    England can take Croatia. Indeed they SHOULD.

    If England can't beat this Croatia they should pack in playing football entirely. England are as good as in the final.
    Croatia have at least 3 players who could walk into and improve the England team, in Modric’s case significantly so. Some of their other players are a lot more ordinary but this will not be a walk in the park.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    tlg86 said:

    What happened the last time England played three at the back against Croatia?

    Is that the match when England's Brave John Terry was injured to play for England yet was fine to play for Chelsea on Saturday?
    No, it was the game where McClaren thought it was a good idea to play a back three - a formation not used by any of the Premier League teams at the time. I have a feeling that Carragher was on the left of the three and Gary Neville has used it as an example of what happens when you play someone in that position who isn't very comfortable on the ball.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    So Boris is quoted as saying it was a turd at Chequers, and that anyone defending it would be polishing a turd, but is reported to have backed down.

    So can we now ask him how he is getting on with his turd polishing?
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited July 2018
    GIN1138 said:

    Boris has labelled Mrs May's deal 'a big turd'

    :D
    So she sacks him then?

    I guess that will be the real test. If she does, the EU might believe her that this is the best the UK will offer, but if not, then they'll be going for full FOM, CJEU oversight etc.

    And they'll get it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    So who do we fancy playing in the 3rd / 4th playoff next weekend ;-)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606
    England can beat this Croatia side. They've been very poor in both of their knock out matches. If this was a qualifier we'd back England to win and the team look like they are playing without pressure.

    Still very nervous though, there's always the random factor but I do think we have enough in the tank to win on Wednesday and get to the final, and that's anyone's game.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    kle4 said:

    So Boris is quoted as saying it was a turd at Chequers, and that anyone defending it would be polishing a turd, but is reported to have backed down.

    So can we now ask him how he is getting on with his turd polishing?

    You can’t polish a turd.

    You can, however, roll it in glitter...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,232
    Give the entire England team a load of viagra between now and Wednesday.

    I understand viagra helps you get past a semi.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,817
    Evening all :)

    Well, the horse racing results only helped a little as I did my proverbials on England this afternoon. I really didn't think we would beat Sweden and I thought 7/2 the Swedes with Paddy a huge price and went in strong.

    I was wrong - I'm not sure it was a classic performance from England and Pickford performed heroics at valuable moments to keep the Swedes out but in truth Sweden were poor and the better side won on the day.

    In the 90 minute market Paddy have Croatia at 12/5 and England at 13/10 with 21/10 the draw which I think a knocking price as I think it will be a late evening on Wednesday.

    I think the France - Belgium semi-final is too close to call.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,285

    Boris has labelled Mrs May's deal 'a big turd'

    Should take a long look in the mirror if he wants to know what one really looks like.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,609
    RoyalBlue said:

    kle4 said:

    So Boris is quoted as saying it was a turd at Chequers, and that anyone defending it would be polishing a turd, but is reported to have backed down.

    So can we now ask him how he is getting on with his turd polishing?

    You can’t polish a turd.

    You can, however, roll it in glitter...
    As I am sure has been noted before you can polish a turd, you just end up covered in shit from the attempt.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I’m sure this tweet will be well received on here:

    https://twitter.com/martinselmayr/status/1015700068433825794?s=21
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,935
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:
    At first I thought TMay had managed to find the crap yet miracle deal everyone would grudgingly accept, as being tolerably better than even worse alternatives.

    Now I have severe doubts. The EU *should* say Yes immediately (it's great for them) yet I can see them overplaying their hand, asking for more, and crashing it.

    And lots and lots of Tory activists and members are going to hate it. And they will tell their MPs.

    Chance of No Deal must now be near 50%?


    I think you are spot on, it is up to the EU now to see sense
    Whether they see sense or just accept some more pragmatism to make it work somehow despite being unacceptable in its current form, it is down to them - May is no doubt telling the EU this is as good as it gets from her, that she cannot do better, and I don't think they believe that to be the case, but she is probably not bluffing about that. Further concessions may not be possible even if May would be prepared to do that.
    Agreed it is in the EU's court now but we must be ready to prepare for No Deal.

    Personally I think the EU will agree enough has been done for an 18 month transition deal but not for a FTA, with further work on the latter needed until Brexit and through the transition period
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    I saw a number of croatian players get booked - any suspended for next match do we know ?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    kle4 said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    kle4 said:

    So Boris is quoted as saying it was a turd at Chequers, and that anyone defending it would be polishing a turd, but is reported to have backed down.

    So can we now ask him how he is getting on with his turd polishing?

    You can’t polish a turd.

    You can, however, roll it in glitter...
    As I am sure has been noted before you can polish a turd, you just end up covered in shit from the attempt.
    Rubbish. Either freeze it or bake it and the task is entirely feasible.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,232

    NEW THREAD

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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Nigelb said:

    Boris has labelled Mrs May's deal 'a big turd'

    Should take a long look in the mirror if he wants to know what one really looks like.
    I'm no Foxy but imo Boris does look as if the air miles are catching up with him.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,834
    BBC presenters’ salary report to be published on Wednesday.
    A good day to bury bad news?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/07/bbc-stars-say-broadcaster-humiliating-plans-publish-salaries/
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,283

    So who do we fancy playing in the 3rd / 4th playoff next weekend ;-)

    France and Croatia.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,946
    If England does make it to the final, has anything been said about whether any of our great and good will be attending?
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    shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672

    If England does make it to the final, has anything been said about whether any of our great and good will be attending?

    Yep.

    Ron Liddle has indicated his acceptance to Pres.Putin.

    (it's all in your Spectator subscription.)
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