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  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    felix said:

    The big question now. Is that it or are there more to come.?

    One big one. Sooner or later. Later being this month.
    Gnomic!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    The interesting question is whether Govey in his new guise as party loyalist can stand against Theresa. If he does I fear nightmare scenario. He wins
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited July 2018
    Gove of the FO? Or Lord Hague?
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Javid supported the Chequers plan, wonder what he’ll do now. Boris standing has deterioated in the last two years, I wonder why he thinks he’s going to become PM.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    GIN1138 said:

    Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.


    Confidence motion comes first I think.

  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    I reckon Liam Fox will the new Foreign Secretary.

    My inner child demands that it be Williamson.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    Scott_P said:
    This is so right, its either May's deal or No deal
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,044
    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004

    It's hard to think of anyone with a vote in a leadership contest whose support for Boris won't have been severely diminished in recent weeks.

    If Boris ever became leader I would resign my membership
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    Hague for FS. “This is no time for a novice.”
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,401
    Roger said:

    The interesting question is whether Govey in his new guise as party loyalist can stand against Theresa. If he does I fear nightmare scenario. He wins

    NO-ONE CAN STAND AGAINST THE PM. IT IS NOT 1990.

    IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.

    IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.

    IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.


    HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Nigelb said:

    It's hard to think of anyone with a vote in a leadership contest whose support for Boris won't have been severely diminished in recent weeks.

    Boris ?
    Good point!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725
    Peston is not the new Dan Hodges
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    For Boris yes, for May, not yet I suspect - Boris' departure is hardly in the same league as Robin Cook, such damaged goods is he (his method of departure, leaving a conference we're hosting swinging in the wind further such evidence).....nor is he of remotely the same stature as predecessors like Howe or Callaghan....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697

    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!

    The government is collapsing.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited July 2018
    rpjs said:

    felix said:

    The sooner Johnson quits the better. his machinations today degrade the office, his country and his party.

    He should be sacked. Full stop
    Seriously. he may have resigned as FSec, but May could still get him dismissed from the Privy Council for his irresponsibility this morning. Then he'd not be qualified for office again unless readmitted, and has anyone expelled from the PC ever been let back in?
    Or possibly he sent his resignation letter early this morning and No 10 have vacillated and not accepted until this afternoon.

    With Boris and FS amd TMay as PM, any permutation is possible!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,401

    felix said:

    The big question now. Is that it or are there more to come.?

    One big one. Sooner or later. Later being this month.
    Gnomic!
    Not really. I don't see how May survives this. If she won't go voluntarily then the MPs need to pull the trigger.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    Thornberry perhaps?

    Desperate times
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    We are all watching the Tour de France right?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    TOPPING said:

    What was that tweet about reaching the kinetic part of the car crash...

    And how.

    Now quite obvious why May put this off for so long.


    Not sure that delaying this moment is helping very much. Just gives us even less time to sort it out.

    Well yes but I can see why at any point until the last possible moment (ie now) she didn't want to invoke this.

    Not a compliment but an observation. It has been said that May doesn't make a decision and waits for people to shout the loudest before she actually moves (thus meaning that everyone has to shout very loudly). In this instance it seems that the looming deadline was the loudest voice in the room.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981

    We are all watching the Tour de France right?

    Mike is, well he was when I rang him to break the news.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    felix said:

    The big question now. Is that it or are there more to come.?

    One big one. Sooner or later. Later being this month.
    Gnomic!
    Not really. I don't see how May survives this. If she won't go voluntarily then the MPs need to pull the trigger.
    Absolutely. She should have gone after the election but was given another chance. Surely enough is enough now.

    If there aren't sufficient letters in Graham Brody's postbag today then what more will it take?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited July 2018



    IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.

    IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.


    In theory yes but if she only wins narrowly effectively her position is untenable.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,545
    On the plus side, is there anyone that Theresa could appoint who wouldn't be an improvement as Foreign Secretary? If she means business, I'd put Tom Tugendhat in - no messing around now.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004

    GIN1138 said:

    Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.


    Confidence motion comes first I think.

    TM has to lose a confidence vote.

    Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Lord Hague is a good choice. Respected. Liked. Knows the job. No reshuffle reqd.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,785
    Go on T.May. CRUSH THE BREXITEER SABOTEURS.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,044
    Mogg fav on BF at 5 at moment
  • Torby_FennelTorby_Fennel Posts: 438
    GIN1138 said:



    The government is collapsing.

    Wrong tense, I think. :)

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981
    I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following

    1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May

    or

    2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    I definitely got this wrong. Luckily DD's resignation warned me to get my book in order, so it is a big defeat on a small market for me
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,870

    We are all watching the Tour de France right?

    No spoilers please - some of us are waiting for the highlights!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    Roger said:

    The interesting question is whether Govey in his new guise as party loyalist can stand against Theresa. If he does I fear nightmare scenario. He wins

    NO-ONE CAN STAND AGAINST THE PM. IT IS NOT 1990.

    IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.

    IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.

    IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.


    HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?
    Just wanted to quote this for visibility!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981
    edited July 2018
    Mrs May will be addressing the Commons in just over 10 mins.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Great statement by Chuka. My guess is a General election followed by the re-run of the referendum. Followed by Remain with a large majority. Someone just asked if Boris wasn't taking a principled stance!!!!!!!!

    It's the way he tells 'em....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004
    GIN1138 said:

    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!

    The government is collapsing.
    No it is not
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981
    Do you all want a thread on AV?

    Because the Tories use a form of quasi-AV to elect their leader.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    I definitely got this wrong. Luckily DD's resignation warned me to get my book in order, so it is a big defeat on a small market for me

    BF had him as 1.02 to leave the cabinet/next out for the past few hours.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,044
    Surely he has only gone if he knows there are 48 letters, or will be by this evening.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Mrs May will be addressing the government in just over 10 mins.

    I'm sure he can't wait.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited July 2018
    currystar said:

    Scott_P said:
    This is so right, its either May's deal or No deal
    No Deal is better than May's deal.

    Don't take our word for it, take May's. Was it not May herself who said "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?

    Losing all say in the EU's rules but being forced to take the rules still is the worst of all worlds. It is worse than Remaining, it is worse than Leaving in full. It pleases nobody and is not what anyone sane would ever want as an end state. It is quite patently a bad deal.

    Did May mean it or was she just a self-serving vacillating liar when she said that "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,973

    GIN1138 said:

    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!

    The government is collapsing.
    No it is not
    It looks like it to me.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725

    GIN1138 said:

    Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.


    Confidence motion comes first I think.

    TM has to lose a confidence vote.

    Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
    Corbyn Way is not Remain
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    GIN1138 said:

    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!

    The government is collapsing.
    No it is not
    How can you be so sure. To lose two cabinet roles in a day and - in all likelihood - face a confidence leadership motion - smells a little bit collapsey.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540

    I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following

    1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May

    or

    2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.

    2) - Causing a by-election the Tories lose.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,842

    GIN1138 said:

    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!

    The government is collapsing.
    No it is not
    You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,267
    Pulpstar said:

    May needs to show her inner Corbyn :>

    Quite so. If Corbyn can see off over half the PLP, May can shrug off Boris.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    GIN1138 said:

    Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.


    Confidence motion comes first I think.

    TM has to lose a confidence vote.

    Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
    Corbyn Way is not Remain
    Corbyn cares about Corbyn.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Boris resigns.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following

    1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May

    or

    2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.

    Does the Telegraph have that kind of money to pay out these days though?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following

    1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May

    or

    2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.

    who gives a shit ?

    it's yet another of those numptry oxford grad MPs gone. Now lets get rid of the rest of them.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745

    NO-ONE CAN STAND AGAINST THE PM. IT IS NOT 1990.

    IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.

    IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.

    IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.


    HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?

    Capital letters notwithstanding, what kind of support level does May need in the No Confidence Vote to survive ?

    Technically, it's 50%+1 but you and I both know that wouldn't be anywhere near enough.

    Obitus Sum Me (love the name) reminded me May got 199 in the 2016 ballot and I pointed out Major got 212 in the 1995 ballot (which was 2/3 of the Parliamentary Party).

    I think May could survive if a third of the Parliamentary Party didn't support her but not any more - what do YOU think (oh dear, I'm doing the capitals now!)

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Roger said:

    Great statement by Chuka. My guess is a General election followed by the re-run of the referendum. Followed by Remain with a large majority.

    I'd put a little more water in it, Roger......
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004
    dixiedean said:

    GIN1138 said:

    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!

    The government is collapsing.
    No it is not
    You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.
    A cull of the Brexiteers is needed
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Pulpstar said:

    May needs to show her inner Corbyn :>

    Quite so. If Corbyn can see off over half the PLP, May can shrug off Boris.
    +1.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    GIN1138 said:

    Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.


    Confidence motion comes first I think.

    TM has to lose a confidence vote.

    Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
    That's definitely not true. It's the May plan or No deal. If the party puts any kind of remain on a ballot paper we'll be out of power for a generation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,591
    tpfkar said:

    On the plus side, is there anyone that Theresa could appoint who wouldn't be an improvement as Foreign Secretary? ...

    Some mischievous spirit already suggested Fox.

    He should do the promised AV thread as penance.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Thornberry perhaps?

    Desperate times

    Dan Poulter then?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981
    Boris is a shit of the highest order.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.

    There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.
  • Torby_FennelTorby_Fennel Posts: 438
    On a more/less serious note (depending on your outlook) - I have to say that I'm not really looking forward to helping out in a GE campaign during such hot weather if it comes to that... :/
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    GIN1138 said:

    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!

    The government is collapsing.
    No it is not
    It looks like it to me.
    It's in a state of perpetual collapse. British politics has become a black hole, with Brexit as the event horizon.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,870

    GIN1138 said:

    Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.


    Confidence motion comes first I think.

    TM has to lose a confidence vote.

    Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
    Corbyn Way is not Remain
    No, but it might well be EFTA with a small clarification on State Aid.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,842

    I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following

    1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May

    or

    2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.

    Is that still open though? Are people hanging on the every word of an appalling FS and his latest bollocks?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,401

    We are all watching the Tour de France right?

    Stage 1 did a remarkably good physical representation of the current cabinet.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315

    I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.

    There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.

    We coat our kids in chlorine everytime they go swimming. Not sure why it's any worse for chicken?
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    We are all watching the Tour de France right?

    Stage 1 did a remarkably good physical representation of the current cabinet.
    People who shouldn't be there crashing whilst bystanders cheer? True.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    I think we are.too used to thinking someone has a plan, we just don't know what it is


    As someone said yesterday none of the actors have a script here
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    dixiedean said:

    GIN1138 said:

    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!

    The government is collapsing.
    No it is not
    You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.
    A cull of the Brexiteers is needed
    If that's your attitude then why bother leaving? We're still going to follow the EU's rules under May's plan so why not Remain and at least have a say in what they are? That would cull the Brexiteers too.

    What purpose does leaving but regaining no control serve?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    edited July 2018
    dixiedean said:

    I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following

    1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May

    or

    2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.

    Is that still open though? Are people hanging on the every word of an appalling FS and his latest bollocks?
    Love Island is a tremendously popular TV show. Don't underestimate the British public's love of complete shite.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171

    currystar said:

    Scott_P said:
    This is so right, its either May's deal or No deal
    No Deal is better than May's deal.

    Don't take our word for it, take May's. Was it not May herself who said "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?

    Losing all say in the EU's rules but being forced to take the rules still is the worst of all worlds. It is worse than Remaining, it is worse than Leaving in full. It pleases nobody and is not what anyone sane would ever want as an end state. It is quite patently a bad deal.

    Did May mean it or was she just a self-serving vacillating liar when she said that "No Deal is better than a bad deal"?
    It could be that she knows that the EU will never accept anything other than what they want, hence she can say that it is the EUs fault that No Deal that has happened and that she has done all she can
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004
    MaxPB said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.


    Confidence motion comes first I think.

    TM has to lose a confidence vote.

    Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
    That's definitely not true. It's the May plan or No deal. If the party puts any kind of remain on a ballot paper we'll be out of power for a generation.
    Parliament as a whole may
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Boris is a shit of the highest order.

    He hasn't achieved much except hindering the campaign for the release of the woman in jail in Iran.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    The Conservative Party are an utter shambles – a national embarrassment. Please, someone make it stop.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    I reckon Boris is going to do one at least one of the following

    1) Urge the ousting of Mrs May

    or

    2) Quit politics, heard for years that he's missing the £250k a year gig at the Telegraph.

    Is that still open though? Are people hanging on the every word of an appalling FS and his latest bollocks?
    Love Island is a tremendously popular TV show. Don't underestimate the British public's love of complete shite.
    Love Island isn’t shite though....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725

    Pulpstar said:

    May needs to show her inner Corbyn :>

    Quite so. If Corbyn can see off over half the PLP, May can shrug off Boris.
    Corbyn is Strong and Stable though.

    Mrs Weak and Wobbly will be gone before the end of July I predict
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Ming Campbell: Boris worst Foreign Secretary since 1945.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Roger said:

    The interesting question is whether Govey in his new guise as party loyalist can stand against Theresa. If he does I fear nightmare scenario. He wins

    NO-ONE CAN STAND AGAINST THE PM. IT IS NOT 1990.

    IF THERE IS A 'LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE', IT IS VIA A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE. THERE IS NO OTHER CANDIDATE NEEDED.

    IF THE PM WINS, SHE REMAINS PM.

    IF SHE LOSES, SHE CANNOT THEN STAND IN THE LEADERSHIP ELECTION.


    HOW MANY BLOODY TIMES!?
    I didn't know that!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,044
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004

    dixiedean said:

    GIN1138 said:

    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!

    The government is collapsing.
    No it is not
    You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.
    A cull of the Brexiteers is needed
    If that's your attitude then why bother leaving? We're still going to follow the EU's rules under May's plan so why not Remain and at least have a say in what they are? That would cull the Brexiteers too.

    What purpose does leaving but regaining no control serve?
    I am now happy to remain - business comes first
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    "Nobody insulted women."

    Is what you said. Do you think calling feminists obnoxious bigots was not insulting?

    Here's the whole thing for interested fans:

    Not to women unless you think all women are 'feminists' and only women are 'feminists'.

    Is that what you are claiming?
    You didn't say all women. You said women.
    Actually you did and yes women in general. Not "some women" but simply "women". That means all women.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,678

    Do you all want a thread on AV?

    Every day without one, I shed a small tear.

    Yes please.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,044
    Boris now in agreement with Nick Clegg.

    Truly, we live in mad times.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    Boris is a shit of the highest order.

    I wonder if future generations get to write an essay on how David Cameron killed the Conservative party ?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Anazina said:

    The Conservative Party are an utter shambles – a national embarrassment. Please, someone make it stop.


    If only Labour had a decent electable leader...

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Friends of Fox and Gove both briefing their man will be FS
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited July 2018
    brendan16 said:

    I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.

    There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.

    We coat our kids in chlorine everytime they go swimming. Not sure why it's any worse for chicken?
    I believe the claim is that they have to be chlorinated because the quality of meat / animal welfare standards aren't as high as in the EU.

    I believe in the power of the market, if people don't want object to eating it, it will have to be clearly labelled where it comes from and so people can simply just not buy it.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Anazina said:

    The Conservative Party are an utter shambles – a national embarrassment. Please, someone make it stop.

    Spoilsport
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.

    There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.

    Chlorinated chicken was just shorthand for highlighting the asymmetric nature of any UK-US FTA and the loss of sovereignty we would face in any FTA with the US.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    edited July 2018

    dixiedean said:

    GIN1138 said:

    OMG. Just heard Boris has gone. It's all out war now!

    The government is collapsing.
    No it is not
    You must admit it is giving a reasonable impression of so doing.
    A cull of the Brexiteers is needed
    chortle

    and what will you be using for MPs afterwards ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    JonathanD said:

    I do despair at the level of debate....old Fat head was banging on about chlorinated chicken as the reason why we can't Brexit / do a deal with America.

    There are lots of reasons why there are lots of complications, but this nonsense on chlorinated chicken is just bollocks. When he was called on it, that we already have products that are chlorinated, but he said but the public are resistant to it....well you massive muppet, the public simply won't buy it will they.

    Chlorinated chicken was just shorthand for highlighting the asymmetric nature of any UK-US FTA and the loss of sovereignty we would face in any FTA with the US.
    That maybe so, then say it, not bang on about chlorinated chicken.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981

    Boris is a shit of the highest order.

    I wonder if future generations get to write an essay on how David Cameron killed the Conservative party ?
    He tried to save it until he was betrayed by the shits/Leavers.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    MaxPB said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Expect Brady to announce a Tory leadership election by the end of the day.


    Confidence motion comes first I think.

    TM has to lose a confidence vote.

    Today we are witnessing the end of the Brexiteers. It is either May's way or remain
    That's definitely not true. It's the May plan or No deal. If the party puts any kind of remain on a ballot paper we'll be out of power for a generation.
    Parliament as a whole may
    How? There's no majority in Parliament for a rerun. It would have to be a government sponsored bill and a three line whip to tie the party to it. We'd have to own putting remain back on the agenda, and we'd pay for it. 17.4m people voted to leave, a majority of them our own supporters. I don't know how we could ever campaign if we put remain on a ballot paper, our party would be finished, and rightly so.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Anazina said:

    The Conservative Party are an utter shambles – a national embarrassment. Please, someone make it stop.


    If only Labour had a decent electable leader...

    Where's David Miliband when you need him.
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