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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    :)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,815
    Evening Comrades,

    Here's my contribution to this festival of all things Soviet;

    Ochi Chernye - Red Army Choir

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad-WeTgt5EM
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,277
    FPT

    Got a letter from Boris tonight. Pretty sure I am not the only one but there we are.

    What was slightly concerning (apart from yet another request for money) is that it is all about Ed and what he said. Having dominated the news agenda for so much of the summer the tories seem to have lost it entirely since Ed's speech and their conference (so far) is not bringing it back again. This is not healthy, especially for the party actually in office
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    HS2 at evens looks easy money, given briefings that DC will come out in favour of HST.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,994
    cheltboy said:

    HS2 at evens looks easy money, given briefings that DC will come out in favour of HST.

    I'd say a mention of HS2 would be a cert, as not mentioning it would cause ructions. Many Conservative MPs (especially those whose constituencies are near the route) have concerns about the project, and will take a non-mention as a sign of reticence at the very top.

    With Labour pathetically yo-yoing on the project, Cameron will probably want to give a positive message.

    Larry the Cat could well make it in as part of a joke, and 'Labour's economic mess' seems a certainty. Energy will be mentioned, but maybe not 'energy companies'. Cameron will want to appear concerned about bills, without trying to side directly with the companies by mentioning them.

    Right. Now those are my predictions, they won't happen. ;-)
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,286
    edited October 2013
    Evening, Comrade GIN1138!

    Evening, Comrades!

    The Hunt for Ed October: "A great day, Comrades! We sail into history!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRsiwBoUQPM
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    tim said:

    On this at 6/4
    Loaf of bread at 33/1 might be worth a side interest

    Wow - That was a hard spot earlier...

    Ladbrokes Politics‏@LadPolitics6h
    Ladbrokes: It's 6/4 that Cameron says "Hard Working Families" during Conference speech. http://bit.ly/15Fk6Af #cpc13

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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    I'd expect a 'cost of living' concerns reference, in a *sympathetic face*/'I get that' kinda way.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    DavidL said:

    FPT

    Got a letter from Boris tonight. Pretty sure I am not the only one but there we are.

    What was slightly concerning (apart from yet another request for money) is that it is all about Ed and what he said. Having dominated the news agenda for so much of the summer the tories seem to have lost it entirely since Ed's speech and their conference (so far) is not bringing it back again. This is not healthy, especially for the party actually in office

    The strategy of branding Miliband as weak may need revising
    Not so much revising as developing, tim.

    Cornered rats are dangerous.



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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Free Schools a cert.
    Big Society. Hmmm.
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    Will Sam get a mention?
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Since we're on on that theme.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhIMEMDYxZE

    Red Russian Army Choir & Leningrad Cowboys- Delilah
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,010
    corporeal said:

    Since we're on on that theme. Red Russian Army Choir & Leningrad Cowboys- Delilah

    A song which always makes me think of the ads for Vaux Samson.

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    IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    The Daily Mail have united the entire Labour party around Ed. They simply are disgraceful. Well done on the vast majority of Tories on here who called the mail out.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    The event has already been suspended at 10pm. Drat.
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,546
    I wouldn't be so sure about "Hard working families" as the conference slogan is "Hard working people" - they seem to have realised that there are plenty of singletons who vote.

    At the odds, I'd take Scotland, UKIP, work hard and get on, and twitter.

    Is it just me or does the Tory conference lack a certain fizz? There seems to be less passion and sense of camaraderie than the other conferences - it all seems pretty lacklustre from the coverage I've seen.
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    It looks very much to me as if Shadsy is looking to recoup some previous losses.
    Leave well alone would be my advice.
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    IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    tpfkar

    That's because they have no real members there!
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,334
    Loaf of bread does look long. Some of the short ones look too short - is he really going to start discussing Syria?? Or gay marriage?
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    Burnley sit at the top of the Championship tonight - it must be their best position for many a long year, many a long decade even.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    And the market is back.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Thatcher at 1/10 is a mugs bet right? Far from certain he'll name-check her explicitly.
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    Tory Conference relegated to 3rd place on BBC News after US budget crisis and Ed's Dad row :)
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    The Manchester Venue is too large, it sucks energy out of any meeting.

    That said, they have definitely gone for sombre this year. Next year will be more showbiz.
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    Burnley sit at the top of the Championship tonight - it must be their best position for many a long year, many a long decade even.

    Except when they were in the top flight 2009-10!
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    JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    First time for Burnley to be top of the Championship since August 2006. It must be our best start for years. It may not last, but us clarets are revelling in this at the moment. Sean Dyche's claret and blue army!!
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    JamesM said:

    First time for Burnley to be top of the Championship since August 2006. It must be our best start for years. It may not last, but us clarets are revelling in this at the moment. Sean Dyche's claret and blue army!!

    I thought West Ham were the claret and blue army!
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    Ed v Mail leads ITV news, second after US on BBC. Apparently there's a Tory conference on. Anyone know what's happening at that?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,727
    edited October 2013
    I can see him daring to mention Bullingdon during a 'I know I'm not a normal person, I went to Eton etc, but I still like to be-bop, I'm down with the street, yo' moment. Certainly better than 100-1 chance.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Ed v Mail leads ITV news, second after US on BBC. Apparently there's a Tory conference on. Anyone know what's happening at that?

    They have been discussing Plan B.



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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. kle4, but does he like Rocksteady?
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    JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    We are the clarets in nickname; West Ham the Hammers. I think we copied our colours from Aston Villa in the 1920s. Before this we were black and amber stripes I believe.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    Breadmaker?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    kle4 said:

    I can see him daring to mention Bullingdon during a 'I know I'm not a normal person, I went to Eton etc, but I still like to be-bop, I'm down with the street, yo' moment.

    Front of telegraph,camerons going to say - 'profit is not a dirty word'

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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288

    Ed v Mail leads ITV news, second after US on BBC. Apparently there's a Tory conference on. Anyone know what's happening at that?

    The BBC1 report was under 3 mins.

    The BBC reports on both BBC1 6pm and 10pm weren't actually that strong on the sympathy angle - they were both pretty straightforward "Row .... Ed's defence .... Mail sticking to its view .... Press regulation".

    I suspect within a couple of days it will all be forgotten.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    They don't even have "Europe" or "IN/OUT referendum"? That speaks volumes.

    "Boris" looks safe enough as Cammie always tries to quip back at him.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,860
    Ant and Dec?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,727

    Mr. kle4, but does he like Rocksteady?

    I have no idea what that is*, so yes? David Cameron is no fuddy duddy.

    *presumably not Rocksteady Studios, the developers of Arkham Asylum.
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    JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    Have there been many leaks from Cameron's speech in terms of policies?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. kle4, Bebop and Rocksteady were mutant idiot underlings to Shredder in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288

    Ed v Mail leads ITV news, second after US on BBC. Apparently there's a Tory conference on. Anyone know what's happening at that?

    The Conservatives have actually got more publicity for their conference than Labour in total.

    Balls speech got pushed down running order and badly squeezed by Kenya. In contrast Osborne got full lead story status.

    Even tonight despite Ed's 3 mins, they still then got decent length report on Cameron interview.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,727

    Mr. kle4, Bebop and Rocksteady were mutant idiot underlings to Shredder in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

    Aw man, I totally should have known that! Donatello was a hero of mine back in the day.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited October 2013
    tim said:

    kle4 said:

    I can see him daring to mention Bullingdon during a 'I know I'm not a normal person, I went to Eton etc, but I still like to be-bop, I'm down with the street, yo' moment.

    Front of telegraph,camerons going to say - 'profit is not a dirty word'

    Story about Camerons energy tariff policy backfiring as well?
    yep,elderly suffer as reform of fuel tariffs mean deals are pulled - is the headline in the telegraph.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. kle4, apparently they're making a new Turtles film. if my vague recollection is correct, they'll use CGI rather than rather ropey-costumes and Megan Fox is pencilled in as April. I hope they get Philip Avery to do the voice of Shredder (NB Avery is also well-known as Uncle Phil in the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air).
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    They do not need to discuss plan B, as plan A is working well, as I am sure ALP will be happy to comfirm.

    Leicester City also looking formidable, just behingd Burnley and QPR on goal difference QPR are doing well at the moment, but I expect 'arry to get a premier league phone call soon.


    Jonathan said:

    Ed v Mail leads ITV news, second after US on BBC. Apparently there's a Tory conference on. Anyone know what's happening at that?

    They have been discussing Plan B.



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    Mr. kle4, Bebop and Rocksteady were mutant idiot underlings to Shredder in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

    Evening, Comrade Dancer!

    Ahem! In the British Motherland, the show was called Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    "45 Minutes, David Kelly" Campbell, calls someone else a coward bully hypocrite?

    Thats some brass neck.
    tim said:

    @campbellclaret: after several decades I get the chance to debate the Mail with the Mail. Alas coward bully hypocrite Dacre sends his deputy #Newsnight

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Dr. Prasannan, you sure about that? I recall the theme song clearly (probably still got some episodes on VHS...).

    Or are you just being Krangky?
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    BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    Just seen Ed repeating 'that's a lie'. Regardless of the article itself, it doesn't look good seeing a grown man asking for sympathy. He looked bullied and exasperated which aren't characteristics I want in a leader. I think it plays badly for him. If you're going to make a fuss about it, then come out fighting, not crying.

    The other time I remember Ed reacting oddly when was he was egged recently. There was no anger when it happened. Instead he smiled and acted as if it was an everyday happy moment. It was just a weird. But then I am biased and do want him to be in charge. Maybe there is a sympathy vote in it, but I doubt it.
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    Burnley sit at the top of the Championship tonight - it must be their best position for many a long year, many a long decade even.

    Except when they were in the top flight 2009-10!
    Oops, I'd forgotten about that. Seriously though those odds of 25/1 from Bet Victor against them winning this league look way too big - are you listening Mike Smithson?

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    Dr. Prasannan, you sure about that? I recall the theme song clearly (probably still got some episodes on VHS...).

    Or are you just being Krangky?

    Comrade Dancer, definitely Hero in the UK version. I think it was felt that "Ninja" was too "violent" terminology to use for a kids' show!
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    Dr. Prasannan, you sure about that? I recall the theme song clearly (probably still got some episodes on VHS...).

    Or are you just being Krangky?

    Dr Prasannan is showing his age. In his era then it may perhaps have been Hero turtles. Those of us of a more recent vintage watched it under the Ninja title.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,727
    Is the 4-1 'You can't trust Labour' a trick? Is he more likely to phrase it 'We can't trust Labour' or 'The british people/country can't trust Labour'? Seems like You is not how he'd phrase the point, so a fool's bet perhaps?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Hmm. Not sure if I saw the first run. I do recall the first episode being repeated after the final one, suggesting at least two runs.

    Ah, 80s cartoons. Thundercats was also excellent.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    They sent Jon Steafel into bat?

    Seriously, Steafel??

    Almost as ridiculous as Campbell.

    LOL
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    Hmm. Not sure if I saw the first run. I do recall the first episode being repeated after the final one, suggesting at least two runs.

    Ah, 80s cartoons. Thundercats was also excellent.

    Yes that too! And Ulysses 31, Dogtanian, Mysterious Cities of Gold, Willy Fogg, Bravestar, Droids, Ghostbusters (cartoon), and He-Man!
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    tpfkar said:

    I wouldn't be so sure about "Hard working families" as the conference slogan is "Hard working people" - they seem to have realised that there are plenty of singletons who vote.

    At the odds, I'd take Scotland, UKIP, work hard and get on, and twitter.

    Is it just me or does the Tory conference lack a certain fizz? There seems to be less passion and sense of camaraderie than the other conferences - it all seems pretty lacklustre from the coverage I've seen.

    As an attendee at Conservative conference I can tell you that that the atmosphere was very pleasant and had very friendly informal meetings with others.

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    IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Brutal. Utterly brutal
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited October 2013
    Alistair 'Kelly' Campbell, rattled, ranting and accusing another of bullying.

    Priceless
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    tim said:

    Dacre stooge getting crucified

    Mad Al Campbell vs The Mail. That's some batshit crazy scenario. I don't know which of those mass debaters I despise more.
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    IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    It wouldn't surprise me if Dacre was moved on within a year.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    Hmm. Not sure if I saw the first run. I do recall the first episode being repeated after the final one, suggesting at least two runs.

    Ah, 80s cartoons. Thundercats was also excellent.

    Yes that too! And Ulysses 31, Dogtanian, Mysterious Cities of Gold, Willy Fogg, Bravestar, Droids, Ghostbusters (cartoon), and He-Man!
    My sympathies you didn't get the really good ones of my youth :p
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    Blueberry said:

    I think it plays badly for him. If you're going to make a fuss about it, then come out fighting, not crying.

    Yes, this is intemperate behaviour by Miliband, which will do him no good. Can you imagine the Left's hilarity if Cameron penned an article for The Mirror imploring it not to make mock of his time as a Bulligdon? Worse, it's brought to everyone's attention the fact that Ed was raised amongst the winding lanes and high hedges of affluent, high-Marxist Hampstead - a more aloof and out-of-touch upbringing ones finds it difficult to imagine. The Mail will be overjoyed and thinking they have Ed on the run.
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    Golly, that was savage. Mail man utterly destroyed. And sounds like they're going for Ed again tomorrow. A mistake, I'd say.
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    Blueberry said:

    I think it plays badly for him. If you're going to make a fuss about it, then come out fighting, not crying.

    Yes, this is intemperate behaviour by Miliband, which will do him no good. Can you imagine the Left's hilarity if Cameron penned an article for The Mirror imploring it not to make mock of his time as a Bulligdon? Worse, it's brought to everyone's attention the fact that Ed was raised amongst the winding lanes and high hedges of affluent, high-Marxist Hampstead - a more aloof and out-of-touch upbringing ones finds it difficult to imagine. The Mail will be overjoyed and thinking they have Ed on the run.

    We'll see. As one long-term Ed critic, I can say he has gone up hugely in my estimation today. Rothermere will not thank Dacre for getting his family's past Nazi sympathies out into general discussion.

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    TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited October 2013

    Blueberry said:

    I think it plays badly for him. If you're going to make a fuss about it, then come out fighting, not crying.

    Yes, this is intemperate behaviour by Miliband, which will do him no good. Can you imagine the Left's hilarity if Cameron penned an article for The Mirror imploring it not to make mock of his time as a Bulligdon? Worse, it's brought to everyone's attention the fact that Ed was raised amongst the winding lanes and high hedges of affluent, high-Marxist Hampstead - a more aloof and out-of-touch upbringing ones finds it difficult to imagine. The Mail will be overjoyed and thinking they have Ed on the run.

    What have The Mail really got, though?
    "Yer old man was a Marxist, and we don't think he liked the English" is hardly going to have people flocking to Cameron, is it?



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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Dear god now we get Shapps. The comedy continues.
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    I sense the Left are nervy, now they're doing this thing of portraying Ed as the crucified Christ to Dacre's Pontius Pilate. I think the implications of Ed's One Nation Socialism are sinking in, and they're keen to find a distraction.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,727
    edited October 2013

    Blueberry said:

    I think it plays badly for him. If you're going to make a fuss about it, then come out fighting, not crying.

    Yes, this is intemperate behaviour by Miliband, which will do him no good. Can you imagine the Left's hilarity if Cameron penned an article for The Mirror imploring it not to make mock of his time as a Bulligdon? Worse, it's brought to everyone's attention the fact that Ed was raised amongst the winding lanes and high hedges of affluent, high-Marxist Hampstead - a more aloof and out-of-touch upbringing ones finds it difficult to imagine. The Mail will be overjoyed and thinking they have Ed on the run.
    I think you may have miscalculated. Whatever the negatives of drawing attention to the fact Ed M was hardly raised as a man of the people - which hardly matters as his opponent has an background that is even more privileged, and though Labour like to present as being much more of the people, Ed M has not denied not being from an average background - the difference between this situation and people attacking Cameron for his Bullingdon days, is he is still around to defend himself, while Ralph M is not. And since the current generation may not like marxism, they don't hate it or those who defend it I suspect, because my generation and younger did not grow up facing any major foe presenting as marxist and so have little conception of it as 'the enemy' and marxist academics as the enemy within, attacking someone who cannot defend himself is worse than the accusation he apparently hated Britain, or whatever, because people will think 'Who cares if he did? Lay off the man' . As someone who wanted Cameron to be PM and supports the bedroom tax, work for welfare and austerity until 2020 if it means a surplus, I doubt I'm a traditional lefty merely being defensive, so I think it more likely that Miliband may get some cross party support for his stance on this.

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    IOS said:

    It wouldn't surprise me if Dacre was moved on within a year.

    It would astonish me. Dacre's fondness for yes-men might do wonders for his ego but Steafel is somewhat unlikely to fill Rothermere with confidence going forward. What with an overhaul of their online strategy already waiting in the wings just for starters.
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    corporeal said:

    Hmm. Not sure if I saw the first run. I do recall the first episode being repeated after the final one, suggesting at least two runs.

    Ah, 80s cartoons. Thundercats was also excellent.

    Yes that too! And Ulysses 31, Dogtanian, Mysterious Cities of Gold, Willy Fogg, Bravestar, Droids, Ghostbusters (cartoon), and He-Man!
    My sympathies you didn't get the really good ones of my youth :p
    Ooops forgot Defenders of the Earth, Heathcliff, Garfield, Thunderbirds 2086, Transformers (original and best!), Centurions, MASK, Dangermouse, Superted, Jimbo, Family Ness, Count Duckula...
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    If Tony Blair or David Cameron's father was revealed as a Marxist no one would give a hoot. Indeed it could almost be a selling point - politicians who have witnessed first hand both sides of the argument etc. So why the palpable nervousness amongst Labour and the Left today about Miliband's roots? It can only be because his dalliance with hard-left orthodoxies in recent weeks have left him dangerously exposed.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    I sense the Left are nervy, now they're doing this thing of portraying Ed as the crucified Christ to Dacre's Pontius Pilate. I think the implications of Ed's One Nation Socialism are sinking in, and they're keen to find a distraction.

    I think you are wrong. What this does is change the whole narrative about EdM and the Mail is helping the LAB cause. Tory strategists must be furious.

    Not only is the affair overshadowing their but they risk being associated with the extremities of the Mail approach. Cameron, to his credit got it right this morning.



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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    Hmm. Not sure if I saw the first run. I do recall the first episode being repeated after the final one, suggesting at least two runs.

    Ah, 80s cartoons. Thundercats was also excellent.

    Yes that too! And Ulysses 31, Dogtanian, Mysterious Cities of Gold, Willy Fogg, Bravestar, Droids, Ghostbusters (cartoon), and He-Man!
    My sympathies you didn't get the really good ones of my youth :p
    Ooops forgot Defenders of the Earth, Heathcliff, Garfield, Thunderbirds 2086, Transformers (original and best!), Centurions, MASK, Dangermouse, Superted, Jimbo, Family Ness, Count Duckula...
    I'm not an authority myself, but certain enthusiasts I know point to the influx of anime as a key moment in upping cartoon quality. (But people always seem to believe that children's tv when they were young was the best ever).
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    I'm not sure what The Mail think they're gonna gain from going after Ralph Milliband. The other parties are bound to step in on Ed's behalf-if they don't, then their relations become fair game, and it'll get messy. The Mail should stick to fretting about Kim Kardashion's post baby body.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,727

    If Tony Blair or David Cameron's father was revealed as a Marxist no one would give a hoot. Indeed it could almost be a selling point - politicians who have witnessed first hand both sides of the argument etc. So why the palpable nervousness amongst Labour and the Left today about Miliband's roots? It can only be because his dalliance with hard-left orthodoxies in recent weeks have left him dangerously exposed.

    I don't think it's nervousness that's leading to the Labour response. I think it's seizing an opportunity when it became clear that a lot of people think the Mail attack was in poor taste, so gives them a chance to present as fighting back against attempts to smear a leading politician from a bunch of hacks*

    *whatever the truth about Ralph M's views, or how reasonable the Mail's conclusions on those views were, I think it far easier for the left to drum up sympathy at the attack than have Labour be worried at the line of attack.
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Campbell and Dacre have history.

    'Indeed, the Mail under Dacre briefly had positive views of New Labour until the Ecclestone scandal and clashes with the government's Director of Communications Alastair Campbell cooled the relationship thanks to the practice of spin doctoring. Dacre said in 2004:

    I think [the Blair] government, through the Campbell approach, [has] put [the] hostility [of the press towards politicians] on a different footing. I think after a while the media industry came to believe that it was disseminating untruths and misrepresenting the truth as a matter of course.'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dacre
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    I'm not sure what The Mail think they're gonna gain from going after Ralph Milliband.

    I think you forget that after Dacre and the Mail went after Cleggy, revealing his shocking Nazi sympathies at the height of the election campaign, he was never heard from again.

    Apart from being the only thing keeping Cameron PM and the tories in power of course.

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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    I sense the Left are nervy, now they're doing this thing of portraying Ed as the crucified Christ to Dacre's Pontius Pilate. I think the implications of Ed's One Nation Socialism are sinking in, and they're keen to find a distraction.

    I think you are wrong. What this does is change the whole narrative about EdM and the Mail is helping the LAB cause. Tory strategists must be furious.

    Not only is the affair overshadowing their but they risk being associated with the extremities of the Mail approach. Cameron, to his credit got it right this morning.



    Yes, all credit to Cameron - and most sensible Tories. The whole thing is utterly ridiculous.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,727
    Bobajob said:

    I sense the Left are nervy, now they're doing this thing of portraying Ed as the crucified Christ to Dacre's Pontius Pilate. I think the implications of Ed's One Nation Socialism are sinking in, and they're keen to find a distraction.

    I think you are wrong. What this does is change the whole narrative about EdM and the Mail is helping the LAB cause. Tory strategists must be furious.

    Not only is the affair overshadowing their but they risk being associated with the extremities of the Mail approach. Cameron, to his credit got it right this morning.



    Yes, all credit to Cameron - and most sensible Tories. The whole thing is utterly ridiculous.
    At the very least if it's fair game to go after Ed M in such a way, it's fair game to go after everyone on such flimsy pretexts. Even if they supported the thrust of the Mail's attack - which I doubt - they aren't stupid enough to vocally support opening that can of worms as a common tactic.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited October 2013
    This is the Spectator's take on Milliband-Mail

    The newspaper's refusal to apologise for what the Labour leader described as a smear on his late father will work in Miliband's favour for a number of reasons, not least because he can appear to be standing up to the big guys, David and Goliath-style, once again as he criticises the Mail. But there's a suspicion that he will also use this incident to call for further-reaching reform of the press

    I agree
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    kle4 said:

    Bobajob said:

    I sense the Left are nervy, now they're doing this thing of portraying Ed as the crucified Christ to Dacre's Pontius Pilate. I think the implications of Ed's One Nation Socialism are sinking in, and they're keen to find a distraction.

    I think you are wrong. What this does is change the whole narrative about EdM and the Mail is helping the LAB cause. Tory strategists must be furious.

    Not only is the affair overshadowing their but they risk being associated with the extremities of the Mail approach. Cameron, to his credit got it right this morning.



    Yes, all credit to Cameron - and most sensible Tories. The whole thing is utterly ridiculous.
    At the very least if it's fair game to go after Ed M in such a way, it's fair game to go after everyone on such flimsy pretexts. Even if they supported the thrust of the Mail's attack - which I doubt - they aren't stupid enough to vocally support opening that can of worms as a common tactic.
    No, only Dan Hodges is that stupid. After carefully considering all the evidence, I have come to the earnest conclusion that the guy is a complete tool who will write anything for money.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Maybe Dan Hodges is angling for a job at the Mail?
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    'But there's a suspicion that he will also use this incident to call for further-reaching reform of the press'

    That's been fairly obvious after last weeks 'land grab' threat.
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    Even better, the Mail is going to do it all again tomorrow over four pages. They'll do Ali C on Thursday after the mashing he gave Dacre's dummy this evening. No doubt Dave is this evening having to rewrite his speech to tone down those Ed attacks. The Tories will not be happy.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    I'm not sure what The Mail think they're gonna gain from going after Ralph Milliband. The other parties are bound to step in on Ed's behalf-if they don't, then their relations become fair game, and it'll get messy. The Mail should stick to fretting about Kim Kardashion's post baby body.

    Clegg's already were. In the run up to the last election his family's international background was raked over by the tabloids as highly suspicious.
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    This is the Spectator's take on Milliband-Mail

    It doesn’t matter how much Ed Miliband’s lip quivers, his dad was, as The Daily Mail suggested, a far left wing intellectual whose gratitude to the country which took him in extended only to wishing it might be dismantled, root and branch. That Ralph Miliband was also an urbane north London émigré does not alter, either, the fact that he was, like so many academics, seduced by Marxism.

    Our universities are virtually the only places in the civilised world where this absurd and discredited creed continues to prosper; much of it today is simply attitudinalising nonsense; when Miliband began his work, under the tutelage of the horrible Harold Laski, it was a potent threat to our way of life.


    I agree.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013

    I sense the Left are nervy, now they're doing this thing of portraying Ed as the crucified Christ to Dacre's Pontius Pilate. I think the implications of Ed's One Nation Socialism are sinking in, and they're keen to find a distraction.

    I think you are wrong. What this does is change the whole narrative about EdM and the Mail is helping the LAB cause. Tory strategists must be furious.

    Not only is the affair overshadowing their but they risk being associated with the extremities of the Mail approach. Cameron, to his credit got it right this morning.

    Mike

    The Mail-Miliband spat is much more to do with the upcoming meeting of the Privy Council Sub-Committee on Press Regulation due to take place on 9 October.

    The Committee of eight ministers, 4 Conservatiive and 4 Lib Dem under Maria Miller and Danny Alexander, is due to decide whether 'to seal' (i.e. accept) the draft of the Royal Charter on a Press Regulatory Authority proposed by the Press's industry body, The Press Standards Board of Finance (PressBoF).

    If the industry proposed regulatory body is not sealed then there is an option to seal instead the draft version of the Royal Charter drawn up during earlier cross-party negotiations (i.e. the Miliband office-Hacked Off version).

    The Coalition government want to put the Press Regulatory body issue to bed before the start of the upcoming press trials.

    It seems to me that an effect of the Miliband story might be to raise the public temperature of the press regulation issue and to create a pretext for escalating press industry differences with the political parties. In other words the more the issue flares up in public the more pressure there is on the PC Committee to accept the PressBoF proposal.

    The alternative of sealing the cross-party version would become much more difficult politically if the Press and the Labour Party were at loggerheads. It would make it much easier for the Press to justify walking away from Levenson resolution if there is a coincident battle going on.

    Given the above, I think the impact on party standings with voters is of secondary importance to the players, at least at present.
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    No doubt Dave is this evening having to rewrite his speech to tone down those Ed attacks.

    So a British politician bleats about some treatment in the gutter press and he's suddenly untouchable? Chilling.
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    Bobajob said:

    kle4 said:

    Bobajob said:

    I sense the Left are nervy, now they're doing this thing of portraying Ed as the crucified Christ to Dacre's Pontius Pilate. I think the implications of Ed's One Nation Socialism are sinking in, and they're keen to find a distraction.

    I think you are wrong. What this does is change the whole narrative about EdM and the Mail is helping the LAB cause. Tory strategists must be furious.

    Not only is the affair overshadowing their but they risk being associated with the extremities of the Mail approach. Cameron, to his credit got it right this morning.



    Yes, all credit to Cameron - and most sensible Tories. The whole thing is utterly ridiculous.
    At the very least if it's fair game to go after Ed M in such a way, it's fair game to go after everyone on such flimsy pretexts. Even if they supported the thrust of the Mail's attack - which I doubt - they aren't stupid enough to vocally support opening that can of worms as a common tactic.
    No, only Dan Hodges is that stupid. After carefully considering all the evidence, I have come to the earnest conclusion that the guy is a complete tool who will write anything for money.

    Have we had Toby Young's views yet? Until we have don't assume anything about Dan Hodges place in the parthenon over this.

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    stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,779
    I know someone who would have felt strongly about the Mail's attacks on the Miliband family.

    URW, late of this blog, whose funeral happened earlier today.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    But there's a suspicion that he will also use this incident to call for further-reaching reform of the press

    I agree

    Except he conspicuously didn't.

    Dacre's the one rampaging around displaying his usual 'subtlety' by making it pretty damn clear that he won't hesitate to go after anyone who displeases him or gets between him and his idea of how the press must operate. It's the Black/Dacre 'plans' all over again and even amongst those who despise the thought of any oversight or independent PCC there will be the same facepalming at Dacre's buffoonish and counterproductive antics.

    Laughably crude threats to go after politicians families just ain't going to work anymore.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @SouthamObserver

    Laughable stuff from stuff from comical Ali,did he think we've forgotten about the 45 minute warning et al.
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    No doubt Dave is this evening having to rewrite his speech to tone down those Ed attacks.

    So a British politician bleats about some treatment in the gutter press and he's suddenly untouchable? Chilling.

    Cameron's call. The Mail has forced him to make it.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,727
    edited October 2013

    No doubt Dave is this evening having to rewrite his speech to tone down those Ed attacks.

    So a British politician bleats about some treatment in the gutter press and he's suddenly untouchable? Chilling.
    Hardly untouchable, but when even if the comments about his dad are true they are irrelevant and his defending his old man who cannot defend himself is easily and cross politically sympathetic and makes him look both genuine and strong, it makes attacking him right now less viable because the nonsense attacks will divert the message and perhaps even make the viable attacks seem like a part of that unwarranted and ridiculous set of attacks. It forces a scaling back of attacks for a short period.

    It was a dumb story, which the Mail appears to be doubling down on in the assumption it will pay off at some point, but that just seems unlikely to me, and it will also take up more time than Cameron would want from the scripted narrative of the Tory conference, which cannot be good for him.

    It's weird that some seem to think it's only lefties opposed to this as well. It's clearly seen as a strategic misstep from many on the right as well, pretending it's a lefty issue is just putting one's head in the sand.

    Night all.


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    This is the most disturbing PB thread I've ever read. A British politician sees an article he disapproves of in a tabloid newspaper, and the PB Lefties are at once calling for its editor to be 'moved on' and criticism from political opponents to be censored. This is dangerous.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013

    This is the most disturbing PB thread I've ever read. A British politician sees an article he disapproves of in a tabloid newspaper, and the PB Lefties are at once calling for its editor to be 'moved on' and criticism from political opponents to be censored. This is dangerous.

    The totalitarian tendencies of the Labour Party under its neo-Marxist leader are truly frightening.

    Land confiscation - centrally planned price controls - poiltical intervention into press freedoms.

    Where next? Buckingham Palace to be seized and used as London's Lubyanka?

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    This is the most disturbing PB thread I've ever read. A British politician sees an article he disapproves of in a tabloid newspaper, and the PB Lefties are at once calling for its editor to be 'moved on' and criticism from political opponents to be censored. This is dangerous.

    But that's socialism for you.

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