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TheScreamingEagles

Labour's 2017 new intake continues to shine.

TheScreamingEagles

Obviously innocent until proven guilty.

williamglenn

Will TMay block Stewart Jackson from standing again?

AlastairMeeks

Of course Stewart Jackson providentially has just been released from his previous job. One wonders whether he retains an interest in the seat.

tpfkar

Theresa May's cunning plan to call a snap GE and then screw up the campaign, so Labour would have a load of unvetted new MPs, starts to swing into action....

John_M

TheScreamingEagles said:

Obviously innocent until proven guilty.

Obviously. However, I see the Twitter outrage bus is already revving its engine.

dr_spyn

Very limited details from Mail and Sun beyond perverting the course of justice, perhaps something might emerge on August 12th.

Tissue_Price

williamglenn said:

Will TMay block Stewart Jackson from standing again?

In the circumstances, he would surely be the best candidate. The Chequers deal clearly isn't popular (compromises usually aren't) but it would be very awkward to have a by-election candidate who didn't support the PM's policy. Unless, of course, they were the previous MP.

fitalass

How many Conservative & Labour MPs have currently had the whip withdrawn at the moment, and is it currently two Labour MPs who are now sitting as independents?

AndyJS

The Tory vote in Peterborough may be understated due to the previous MP's possible unpopularity.

brendan16

TheScreamingEagles said:

Obviously innocent until proven guilty.

Odd its taken the media 12 days to report this considering she was charged and appeared in Westminster magistrates court - not locally in her constituency.

Presumably she only has to step down if convicted and any trial could be months away.

Sean_F

fitalass said:

How many Conservative & Labour MPs have currently had the whip withdrawn at the moment, and is it currently two Labour MPs who are now sitting as independents?

One and three I think.

ydoethur

AndyJS said:

The Tory vote in Peterborough may be understated due to the previous MP's possible unpopularity.

In that case it's vital if there is a by-election that he stands again so the Tories lose.

Remember what happened the last time they gained a seat from Labour!

oxfordsimon

Amazing how this has just emerged from nowhere. All very curious.

Worst case scenario is life in prison for those convicted of this sort of offence. More likely 4 - 36 months.

Either way, end of career IF found guilty.

Pulpstar

Lab Hold methinks.

BannedInParis

BYE

Sean_F

ydoethur said:

AndyJS said:

The Tory vote in Peterborough may be understated due to the previous MP's possible unpopularity.

In that case it's vital if there is a by-election that he stands again so the Tories lose.

Remember what happened the last time they gained a seat from Labour!

The Tories did very well here in May's local elections, which may indeed suggest there was a vote against the former MP.

TheScreamingEagles

fitalass said:

How many Conservative & Labour MPs have currently had the whip withdrawn at the moment, and is it currently two Labour MPs who are now sitting as independents?

Jared O'Mara and John Woodcock are sitting as independents.

Kelvin Hopkins and Ivan Lewis are currently without the whip.

On the blue side I think it is just Charlie Elphicke without the whip.

AndyJS

ydoethur said:

AndyJS said:

The Tory vote in Peterborough may be understated due to the previous MP's possible unpopularity.

In that case it's vital if there is a by-election that he stands again so the Tories lose.

Remember what happened the last time they gained a seat from Labour!

The Tories would probably select a new candidate.

dr_spyn

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2018-07-25/fiona-onasanya-peterborough-mp-charged-with-perverting-the-course-of-justice/

Not much more being added.

AndyJS

She appeared in court at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 12th July, nearly two weeks ago. Why has this taken so long to be reported?

TheScreamingEagles

AndyJS said:

She appeared in court at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 12th July, nearly two weeks ago. Why has this taken so long to be reported?

There maybe reporting restrictions in place.

Remember when Chris Huhne was awaiting trial there was a restriction in place about Constance Briscoe.

oxfordsimon

AndyJS said:

She appeared in court at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 12th July, nearly two weeks ago. Why has this taken so long to be reported?

I suspect some sort of reporting restriction. Can't think why - but then that would normally be reported alongside the revelation of the charging itself.

Normally even the arrest of any MP makes a huge splash. Why did that slip under the radar?

ydoethur

Sean_F said:

ydoethur said:

AndyJS said:

The Tory vote in Peterborough may be understated due to the previous MP's possible unpopularity.

In that case it's vital if there is a by-election that he stands again so the Tories lose.

Remember what happened the last time they gained a seat from Labour!

The Tories did very well here in May's local elections, which may indeed suggest there was a vote against the former MP.

Yes, but I'm channelling my inner Brenda from Bristol. We can't afford another Copeland.

fitalass

AndyJS said:

She appeared in court at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 12th July, nearly two weeks ago. Why has this taken so long to be reported?

That was my first thought too, how did this story manage to remain under the media radar for so long?

Tissue_Price

oxfordsimon said:

AndyJS said:

She appeared in court at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 12th July, nearly two weeks ago. Why has this taken so long to be reported?

I suspect some sort of reporting restriction. Can't think why - but then that would normally be reported alongside the revelation of the charging itself.

Normally even the arrest of any MP makes a huge splash. Why did that slip under the radar?

A reporting restriction could well be related to whichever case she is accused of perverting the course of justice of...

AndyJS

fitalass said:

AndyJS said:

She appeared in court at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 12th July, nearly two weeks ago. Why has this taken so long to be reported?

That was my first thought too, how did this story manage to remain under the media radar for so long?

I read somewhere recently that the standard and scope of court reporting is not what it used to be.

ydoethur

For our lawyers, on a more serious note, what sort of penalty might be imposed IF she is found guilty? Is it one with a wide range of sentences or does the judge have a tight set of guidelines?

fitalass

Sean_F said:

fitalass said:

How many Conservative & Labour MPs have currently had the whip withdrawn at the moment, and is it currently two Labour MPs who are now sitting as independents?

One and three I think.

Thanks Sean F, much appreciated.

Sandpit

dr_spyn said:

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2018-07-25/fiona-onasanya-peterborough-mp-charged-with-perverting-the-course-of-justice/

Not much more being added.

All a bit hush hush. Hopefully we’ll be allowed to know more after the next court date.

oxfordsimon

ydoethur said:

For our lawyers, on a more serious note, what sort of penalty might be imposed IF she is found guilty? Is it one with a wide range of sentences or does the judge have a tight set of guidelines?

As I said a few mins ago - longest possible sentence is life. More likely 4 to 36 months - sometimes with a fine (or sometimes just a fine)

Either way, enough to be career ending - IF convicted

MaxPB

oxfordsimon said:

AndyJS said:

She appeared in court at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 12th July, nearly two weeks ago. Why has this taken so long to be reported?

I suspect some sort of reporting restriction. Can't think why - but then that would normally be reported alongside the revelation of the charging itself.

Normally even the arrest of any MP makes a huge splash. Why did that slip under the radar?

Media turning a blind eye to Labour misconduct as always.

fitalass

TheScreamingEagles said:

fitalass said:

How many Conservative & Labour MPs have currently had the whip withdrawn at the moment, and is it currently two Labour MPs who are now sitting as independents?

Jared O'Mara and John Woodcock are sitting as independents.

Kelvin Hopkins and Ivan Lewis are currently without the whip.

On the blue side I think it is just Charlie Elphicke without the whip.

Thanks Eagles, much appreciated.

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

For our lawyers, on a more serious note, what sort of penalty might be imposed IF she is found guilty? Is it one with a wide range of sentences or does the judge have a tight set of guidelines?

It can be a life sentence but it is circa around 6-12 months.

Tissue_Price

ydoethur said:

For our lawyers, on a more serious note, what sort of penalty might be imposed IF she is found guilty? Is it one with a wide range of sentences or does the judge have a tight set of guidelines?

IANAL, but CPS guidelines are 4-36 months. It has a huge range (up to life), given that the nature of the particular course of justice one is perverting is so crucial.

ydoethur

Thanks for the replies. So even if she is found guilty, there is a strong possibility she wouldn't automatically forfeit her seat.

oxfordsimon

Tissue_Price said:

ydoethur said:

For our lawyers, on a more serious note, what sort of penalty might be imposed IF she is found guilty? Is it one with a wide range of sentences or does the judge have a tight set of guidelines?

IANAL, but CPS guidelines are 4-36 months. It has a huge range (up to life), given that the nature of the particular course of justice one is perverting is so crucial.

When you are a law-maker (as MP), even the hint of you perverting the course of justice seems worse.

Tissue_Price

oxfordsimon said:

Tissue_Price said:

ydoethur said:

For our lawyers, on a more serious note, what sort of penalty might be imposed IF she is found guilty? Is it one with a wide range of sentences or does the judge have a tight set of guidelines?

IANAL, but CPS guidelines are 4-36 months. It has a huge range (up to life), given that the nature of the particular course of justice one is perverting is so crucial.

When you are a law-maker (as MP), even the hint of you perverting the course of justice seems worse.

She is a qualified solicitor too. All very curious.

felix

Tissue_Price said:

williamglenn said:

Will TMay block Stewart Jackson from standing again?

In the circumstances, he would surely be the best candidate. The Chequers deal clearly isn't popular (compromises usually aren't) but it would be very awkward to have a by-election candidate who didn't support the PM's policy. Unless, of course, they were the previous MP.

I'd prefer a new and more centrist candidate if a by-election ensues. Jackson's failure to hold the seat last time says all you need to know.

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

Thanks for the replies. So even if she is found guilty, there is a strong possibility she wouldn't automatically forfeit her seat.

I suspect the Chris Huhne precedent would kick in 'Lawmakers cannot be lawbreakers'

There's also the potential for recall.

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Labour's 2017 new intake continues to shine.

Naught but Tory propaganda!

Tissue_Price

ydoethur said:

Thanks for the replies. So even if she is found guilty, there is a strong possibility she wouldn't automatically forfeit her seat.

Any custodial sentence would allow electors to petition for her recall under the Recall of MPs Act 2015. 10% of the electorate signing the petition would trigger a by-election, in which she could stand (unless sentenced for more than a year).

TheScreamingEagles

Tissue_Price said:

oxfordsimon said:

Tissue_Price said:

ydoethur said:

For our lawyers, on a more serious note, what sort of penalty might be imposed IF she is found guilty? Is it one with a wide range of sentences or does the judge have a tight set of guidelines?

IANAL, but CPS guidelines are 4-36 months. It has a huge range (up to life), given that the nature of the particular course of justice one is perverting is so crucial.

When you are a law-maker (as MP), even the hint of you perverting the course of justice seems worse.

She is a qualified solicitor too. All very curious.

Constance Briscoe was a Recorder and she was found guilty of something similar in the Huhne trial.

Morris_Dancer

Think Labour are safe, frankly.

TGOHF

She's a commercial property solicitor...

oxfordsimon

Morris_Dancer said:

Think Labour are safe, frankly.

They may well be - but it is a bit early to speculate on that. Much could well depend on the nature of the allegations and how tarnished the party ends up being as a result.

ydoethur

Tissue_Price said:

ydoethur said:

Thanks for the replies. So even if she is found guilty, there is a strong possibility she wouldn't automatically forfeit her seat.

Any custodial sentence would allow electors to petition for her recall under the Recall of MPs Act 2015. 10% of the electorate signing the petition would trigger a by-election, in which she could stand (unless sentenced for more than a year).

The key word was 'automatically.'

Tissue_Price

ydoethur said:

Tissue_Price said:

ydoethur said:

Thanks for the replies. So even if she is found guilty, there is a strong possibility she wouldn't automatically forfeit her seat.

Any custodial sentence would allow electors to petition for her recall under the Recall of MPs Act 2015. 10% of the electorate signing the petition would trigger a by-election, in which she could stand (unless sentenced for more than a year).

The key word was 'automatically.'

Ah yes, my apologies. Either way, I think anyone being convicted of anything is pretty much toast these days.

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Tissue_Price said:

oxfordsimon said:

Tissue_Price said:

ydoethur said:

For our lawyers, on a more serious note, what sort of penalty might be imposed IF she is found guilty? Is it one with a wide range of sentences or does the judge have a tight set of guidelines?

IANAL, but CPS guidelines are 4-36 months. It has a huge range (up to life), given that the nature of the particular course of justice one is perverting is so crucial.

When you are a law-maker (as MP), even the hint of you perverting the course of justice seems worse.

She is a qualified solicitor too. All very curious.

Constance Briscoe was a Recorder and she was found guilty of something similar in the Huhne trial.

Lawyers, eh?

TGOHF

Oh hello..

"The Mirror has learned the case is being prosecuted by the Special Crime and Counter Terrorism Division of the Crown Prosecution Service."


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-labour-mp-appears-court-12979550

dixiedean

Bloody hell. We really do have a shower of MP's don't we? Regardless of this ones guilt or not.

Sunil_Prasannan

BBC have the story - hidden away in the "local" news section:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-44957896

ydoethur

Tissue_Price said:

ydoethur said:

Tissue_Price said:

ydoethur said:

Thanks for the replies. So even if she is found guilty, there is a strong possibility she wouldn't automatically forfeit her seat.

Any custodial sentence would allow electors to petition for her recall under the Recall of MPs Act 2015. 10% of the electorate signing the petition would trigger a by-election, in which she could stand (unless sentenced for more than a year).

The key word was 'automatically.'

Ah yes, my apologies. Either way, I think anyone being convicted of anything is pretty much toast these days.

Well, perhaps they should be. But in the current Labour Party, I wouldn't like to bet on it. Much would depend on the case.

williamglenn

https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/1022142143375335426

Tissue_Price

TGOHF said:

Oh hello..

"The Mirror has learned the case is being prosecuted by the Special Crime and Counter Terrorism Division of the Crown Prosecution Service."


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-labour-mp-appears-court-12979550

The tweet has unfortunate implications - it will presumably be the Special Crime part of it, one of whose responsibilities is "cases involving high profile individuals such as MPs".

TheScreamingEagles

Don't read too much into this, so were all those Tory MPs and their election expenses

https://twitter.com/andrewgregory/status/1022158732590018560

Sunil_Prasannan

I must 'fess up to having never heard of Fiona till this afternoon. At least she's achieving some kind of name recognition...

AlastairMeeks

That doesn't really tell us anything: "cases involving high profile individuals such as MPs" are treated as a Special Crime for this purpose.

EDIT I see @Tissue_Price made the same point first.

TheScreamingEagles

AlastairMeeks said:

That doesn't really tell us anything: "cases involving high profile individuals such as MPs" are treated as a Special Crime for this purpose.

Yup, I forgot to add my explainer.

IanB2

A suggestion she was remanded in custody; unlikely?

Acorn_Antiques

oxfordsimon said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Think Labour are safe, frankly.

They may well be - but it is a bit early to speculate on that. Much could well depend on the nature of the allegations and how tarnished the party ends up being as a result.

*IF* it escalates as far as a by-election then the main thing to look out for will be evidence for Ukip rising from the grave - as if we didn't have enough problems already...

RobD

This came out of nowhere

TheScreamingEagles

IanB2 said:

A suggestion she was remanded in custody; unlikely?

That's fake news.

TGOHF

What wing of Labour is she from ?

Corbynite-deathtoIsrael or yellerremainerMiliband ?

AndyJS

Tissue_Price said:

ydoethur said:

Thanks for the replies. So even if she is found guilty, there is a strong possibility she wouldn't automatically forfeit her seat.

Any custodial sentence would allow electors to petition for her recall under the Recall of MPs Act 2015. 10% of the electorate signing the petition would trigger a by-election, in which she could stand (unless sentenced for more than a year).

I must have taken my eye off the ball because I didn't know the 10% recall proposal had passed into law.

TheScreamingEagles

A cursory glance at her twitter account seems to show this is not someone who has been remanded.

https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/with_replies

Benpointer

AndyJS said:

The Tory vote in Peterborough may be understated due to the previous MP's possible unpopularity.

This made me laugh; a candidate's vote mught depend on their popularity - no shit!?

Sunil_Prasannan

TGOHF said:

What wing of Labour is she from ?

Corbynite-deathtoIsrael or yellerremainerMiliband ?

I dunno, I kind of miss Ed Miliband

Tissue_Price

AndyJS said:

Tissue_Price said:

ydoethur said:

Thanks for the replies. So even if she is found guilty, there is a strong possibility she wouldn't automatically forfeit her seat.

Any custodial sentence would allow electors to petition for her recall under the Recall of MPs Act 2015. 10% of the electorate signing the petition would trigger a by-election, in which she could stand (unless sentenced for more than a year).

I must have taken my eye off the ball because I didn't know the 10% recall proposal had passed into law.

There's talk of it being used in North Antrim on Ian Paisley Jr., based on his 30-day suspension from the Commons.

AndyJS

Benpointer said:

AndyJS said:

The Tory vote in Peterborough may be understated due to the previous MP's possible unpopularity.

This made me laugh; a candidate's vote mught depend on their popularity - no shit!?

Usually people vote for the party, not the candidate. But if the candidate is particularly poor, it can affect their performance sometimes.

ydoethur

TGOHF said:

What wing of Labour is she from ?

Corbynite-deathtoIsrael or yellerremainerMiliband ?

She's a Remainer. From the little I know of her I wouldn't call her a Corbynista. Moreover, if she were surely she would be in the Shadow Cabinet by now.

IanB2

TheScreamingEagles said:

IanB2 said:

A suggestion she was remanded in custody; unlikely?

That's fake news.

Since she's spoken in the Commons recently, clearly so

JohnO

I think Andrew Griffiths, the sexting MP for Burton who resigned as a Minister last week, is also suspended.

TheScreamingEagles

Just saying.

Chris Huhne was charged in February 2012 and his trial started a year later.

AndyJS

BBC on the case:

"It is not known when the alleged offence took place. The BBC has contacted the office of Ms Onasanya, who previously worked as a solicitor."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-44957896

Benpointer

MaxPB said:

oxfordsimon said:

AndyJS said:

She appeared in court at Westminster Magistrates' Court on 12th July, nearly two weeks ago. Why has this taken so long to be reported?

I suspect some sort of reporting restriction. Can't think why - but then that would normally be reported alongside the revelation of the charging itself.

Normally even the arrest of any MP makes a huge splash. Why did that slip under the radar?

Media turning a blind eye to Labour misconduct as always.

Why on earth would Tory-supporting newspapers turn a blind eye to alleged Labour misconduct?

tlg86

TheScreamingEagles said:

Just saying.

Chris Huhne was charged in February 2012 and his trial started a year later.

Didn't he eventually plead guilty, or have imagined that? I suspect you're right though, these things take along time to come to court. Just look at Thanet South.

TheScreamingEagles

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Just saying.

Chris Huhne was charged in February 2012 and his trial started a year later.

Didn't he eventually plead guilty, or have imagined that? I suspect you're right though, these things take along time to come to court. Just look at Thanet South.

He did, he changed his plea on the first day of trial.

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

Don't read too much into this, so were all those Tory MPs and their election expenses

https://twitter.com/andrewgregory/status/1022158732590018560

You are seriously wrong here: "all those Tory MPs" were not charged: only the one. Please correct this.

ydoethur

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Don't read too much into this, so were all those Tory MPs and their election expenses

https://twitter.com/andrewgregory/status/1022158732590018560

You are seriously wrong here: "all those Tory MPs" were not charged: only the one. Please correct this.

No - he means 'they were all investigated by the SCCTD.'

Basically he's saying don't assume she's a terrorist just because of the police unit involved.

(If she were a Corbynista now...)

TheScreamingEagles

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Don't read too much into this, so were all those Tory MPs and their election expenses

https://twitter.com/andrewgregory/status/1022158732590018560

You are seriously wrong here: "all those Tory MPs" were not charged: only the one. Please correct this.

Did I say they were charged? No.

I was trying to put TGOHF's 'Hello' into context.

Tissue_Price

It's speeding:
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1022166136706748417

AlastairMeeks

If true, what an idiot:

https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/1022166136706748417?s=21

RobD

Isn't that what Huhne did?

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Don't read too much into this, so were all those Tory MPs and their election expenses

https://twitter.com/andrewgregory/status/1022158732590018560

You are seriously wrong here: "all those Tory MPs" were not charged: only the one. Please correct this.

Did I say they were charged? No.

I was trying to put TGOHF's 'Hello' into context.

You were adding to a piece which says "Labour MP to stand trial after being charged..."

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

Isn't that what Huhne did?

Yup.

TGOHF

RobD said:

Isn't that what Huhne did?

Yeah.

If it's true she is Toasty McToastface.

ydoethur

Tissue_Price said:

It's speeding:
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1022166136706748417

Boring.

Why couldn't she have done something interesting, like perjured herself in a case over an anti-Jewish terrorist?

We've already had one of these.

TheScreamingEagles

As someone who has accumulated 21 points on his licence at various stages can I say anyone who tries to dodge speeding points are lower than Mark Reckless in my eyes.

You want stress? Try driving for 8 months whilst on 9 points.

BannedInParis

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Don't read too much into this, so were all those Tory MPs and their election expenses

https://twitter.com/andrewgregory/status/1022158732590018560

You are seriously wrong here: "all those Tory MPs" were not charged: only the one. Please correct this.

Did I say they were charged? No.

I was trying to put TGOHF's 'Hello' into context.

right.

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Don't read too much into this, so were all those Tory MPs and their election expenses

https://twitter.com/andrewgregory/status/1022158732590018560

You are seriously wrong here: "all those Tory MPs" were not charged: only the one. Please correct this.

Did I say they were charged? No.

I was trying to put TGOHF's 'Hello' into context.

You were adding to a piece which says "Labour MP to stand trial after being charged..."

well.

quite.

TheScreamingEagles

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Don't read too much into this, so were all those Tory MPs and their election expenses

https://twitter.com/andrewgregory/status/1022158732590018560

You are seriously wrong here: "all those Tory MPs" were not charged: only the one. Please correct this.

Did I say they were charged? No.

I was trying to put TGOHF's 'Hello' into context.

You were adding to a piece which says "Labour MP to stand trial after being charged..."

When we didn't know what it related to and people were focussing on

The Mirror understands the case is being handled by the Special Crime and Counter Terrorism Division of the Crown Prosecution Service

Casino_Royale

ydoethur said:

Tissue_Price said:

It's speeding:
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1022166136706748417

Boring.

Why couldn't she have done something interesting, like perjured herself in a case over an anti-Jewish terrorist?

We've already had one of these.

Lol.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

As someone who has accumulated 21 points on his licence at various stages can I say anyone who tries to dodge speeding points are lower than Mark Reckless in my eyes.

You want stress? Try driving for 8 months whilst on 9 points.

Sounds as though it was a much less stressful time for all the other drivers in West Yorkshire though TSE if you're that careless a driver.

AndyJS

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1021845679281459207

IanB2

As suspected

shiney2

If Jackson doesn't stand, UKIP will need to give Tory voters a proper anti-May option.

oxfordsimon

If convicted, it is hard to see how she can return to her former career let alone her present one.

AndyJS

Has anyone ever received a sentence of 12 months or more for trying to get someone else to take their speeding points?

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

As someone who has accumulated 21 points on his licence at various stages can I say anyone who tries to dodge speeding points are lower than Mark Reckless in my eyes.

You want stress? Try driving for 8 months whilst on 9 points.

Sounds as though it was a much less stressful time for all the other drivers in West Yorkshire though TSE if you're that careless a driver.

I was driving 30,000 miles a year in those years.

The E class Merc and the ML I had were very quiet, you could be doing 85mph and it sounded so quiet.

I've been driving for 23 years and I've not been involved in fault accident yet.

I'm one of the safest drivers on the road.

Plus the speed cameras on the Stocksbridge bypass really didn't like me.

tlg86

I've read a lot of criticism on here of certain Tory MPs. Stewart Jackson is one, Andrew Bridgen is another. I know little about either, other than what I read in All Out War about the latter. But it is interesting to see how the Tories have fared in Peterborough and North West Leicestershire.

Jackson lost Peterborough last year having had a 4,800 majority in 2010. Andrew Bridgen recorded a 13,000 majority last year having gained the seat with a 7,500 majority in 2010. Both seats voted leave by over 20 pp in the referendum.