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It is now more than four months since Labour’s anti-semitism row hit the headlines following publication of a 2012 tweet from Mr Corbyn in which he seemed to be referring approvingly to what was clearly an anti-semitic mural.
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So that's a General Election and a referendum then....
Well that he takes him whip from Rome.
Ultimately, the Labour right will huff and puff but they won't actually do anything. They never do because they have no ideas.
https://www.bognor.co.uk/news/politics/arun-must-start-listening-to-residents-says-double-bognor-by-election-victor-1-8393968
https://twitter.com/J_Bloodworth/status/1022801081921949697
44m44 minutes ago
UK, Ipsos MORI poll:
CON-ECR: 38% (-3)
LAB-S&D: 38%
LDEM-ALDE: 10% (+3)
UKIP-EFDD: 6% (+2)
Greens-G/EFA: 3% (-1)
Field work: 20/07/18-24/07/18
Sample size: N/A"
https://twitter.com/SirSocks/status/1022770639571218433
On the Corbyn left you have people questioning the loyalty of Jews to this country and on the Brexit right anyone who voted Remain or points out Leave is going sub optimally is a traitor.
Sad.
To change the mood somewhat, a more interesting area of discussion perhaps:
https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2018/07/counties-call-fully-costed-social-care-cap?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=
It will be interesting to see what the green paper on social care does say and where any supposed cap is pitched. The demands on the provision of social care are really hurting some southern shire authorities and the escalating demands with the continued growth in the elderly population through the 2020s and 2030s mean we need some radical thinking otherwise it will be huge tax increases for all.
https://twitter.com/cyclingbetting/status/1022798746311114752
Israel is a right radical, nationalist state where the "staatsvolk" are treated more favourably than other citizens of the state. This policy was re-affirmed in a recent Knesset vote. Zionism has a lot in common with the nationalist philosophies of pre-war Eastern European states, particularly Poland, where Zionism has its roots. It should comes as no surprise that Israel is now particularly friendly with countries like Hungary, despite the antisemitic tendencies of right radical movements there dating back up to 100 years. Hungary's current leader, Victor Orban was given a very cordial welcome by Netanyahu when he visited Israel recently.
The ethos of the state of Israel, like that of current Hungary and Poland, is an anathema to those on the radical left of politics, hence Labour's wish to alter the examples used in the IHRA document.
Zionists do not want any of this to be pointed out, so have a vested interest in trying to blur the distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism, as the latter is considered unacceptable in a liberal Western democracy.
PS. Apologies to Barnesian for accidentally attributing my comment to him in the previous thread. If the previous "blockquote" is too long, part of it has to be deleted for the reply to be accepted and I made any error in doing this.
It’s really a straw/camel’s back argument. I don’t think we are there yet.
If the deal can't command the support of a majority then it's unsustainable. And it can't sustain and it won't sustain, particularly given the uncompromising polling from younger generations. They simply won't stand for this nonsense, and if it's a truly lousy outcome, there will be a serious rejoin campaign in a matter of months.
We did it before and I feel we can do it again. In four years we went from IDS to Dave.
I expect that if Brexit turns out to be a clusterfuck we’ll return to sanity after another drubbing in 2027.
Plus I’m not French, I’m not going to surrender at the first opportunity.
https://tinyurl.com/y8ckj5ul
But I would rather pick that side then align myself with the hideous rantings of everything the Independent says on the matter or the deranged muttering of A C Grayling recorded actively pleading with the European Commission to give us a punishment beating to teach us a lesson.
Pick a side, the grays of a subtle position are becoming harder and harder to express.
Of course the fisher folk won't be happy (when are they ever?).
And you wonder why some people think Brexiteers are several tariffs short of an FTA...
Buyers of drugs getting off lightly according to London Mayor.
He’s not the only option available.
And then we have May, who is so dire that many people are Considering Corbyn as a better alternative.
What have we done to deserve such an incompetent bunch of clowns?
I’m happy with neither. And I hope/assume/wish that any deal that happens involves a long enough transition.
In electoral terms, it won't in itself have much of an impact, but there is a curious aspect to it which deserves more attention. This is the question of why Corbyn and his cabal haven't just shut down the issue, but instead seem intent on inflaming it. I really don't understand this, but it indicates at the very least an insouciance about turning friends and supporters into enemies. And if they're happy to throw away Jewish support (as well as the support of decent folk generally) for no advantage, who else are they going to alienate gratuitously?
But no. The remainers are as bad as the Brexiteers. Back to ‘pick a side’. People trying to find a compromise like May are so utterly piss poor at it that both sides find little in it they can accept. A comprehensive failure of our political class.
Maybe the French are on to something in that you normally have to run something smaller and less material before you get let loose on the national stage. The US used to do the same with State governors etc but are moving more to celebrity culture.
In normal times it maybe doesn’t matter too much but when the government is asked to do something a little more complicated, such as Brexit, the lack of talent becomes painfully apparent.
Labour anti-Semitism is a bit like the golliwog dispute, or about the occassional kipper who goes off the rails about Ting Tongs or Bongo Bongo land. Yes it is racist, and needs calling out, but it is hardly in the same league as The Nuremberg Laws, Ku Klux Klan lynchings or slave trade. While all predjudice or bigotry is deplorable, there are degrees of offensiveness. The row shows up the dark side of the hard Left (I suspect that many of the left wing anti-semites are not party members), but is not terminal.
I can't think of anyone in public life who looks so ill. Even the Duke of Edinburgh looks in fine fettle in comparison.
For the same reason, the hard left are currently boasting about being Communists (when they aren't). They're goading the right to leave.
It'd be just another traitorous capitulation engineered by Quisling remainers who should be hung by their ... (cont. p.54)
Leave own this.
All of this could have been avoided if Labour had honoured their promises on a Lisbon treaty referendum.
Then after the vote, the so called leaders of the country whether politicians, editors, University chiefs poured a whole load of shit over the leave voters heads, they were thick ignorant, racist, northerners who then every one of them went on a hate crimes spree. Just more intolerance all they did was vote.
Now we are on to anti-semitism and on it goes.
We are in a spiral of intolerance and two wrongs do not make a right.
How do we sort this mess out should be the burning question for all political parties at the moment.
Labour thinks it is right. It thinks it consists of good persons. It thinks it is anti-racist. Therefore because that is how it describes itself it therefore follows that everything it does is therefore good and anti-racist. That is where it claims to get its moral authority from.
Of course, all it shows in this narcissistic "I am good therefore everything I do is good" nonsense is that it has no understanding of what morality means. It is not what you say or how you describe yourself which is important. It is what you do which counts.
To the Labour left represented by Corbyn et al, principles are simply a way of describing how wonderful they are. They do not - and refuse to - understand that principles are a Kantian moral imperative which should determine how you act.
In their attitude to Jews (but not just them) Corbyn, his acolytes, his supporters and those who refuse to do anything about him despite their alleged queasiness are despicable, simply despicable. Their indulgence of anti-semitism, of Nazi language, of Holocaust denial, of an utter indifference to the concerns of a minority which has contributed so much to British life in the centuries it has been here and which has faced persecution and discrimination and unimaginable cruelty is a disgrace. Their actions have allowed vile racist material and thoughts and words and actions to become widespread and mainstream in a way which shames them and will shame the nation if Corbyn's Labour is ever elected into government.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5248319/Theresa-Mays-diabetes-patch-not-available-patients.html
The PM leads a very difficult schedule, with irregular mealtimes and activity, so must find it difficult to keep good control. To me she sounds like an excellent candidate for this sort of ambient glucose monitoring, so have no issue with it.
It would suggest to me that she is as much a control freak about her health (a good thing) as in other parts of her life (not always such a good thing). I think that she is just tired and desperately needs a proper holiday.
Simply he didn’t think Gove, Hannan et al would focus on immigration/dog whistle stuff on Turkey.
I think if Farage has fronted that campaign Leave would have been gubbed.
Really ? Well they do say you can fool all of the people some of the time or perhaps about the length of a GE campaign.
But when he saw that Leave was likely to be fronted by Boris and Farage he thought Leave would lose 75/25.
So he thought if he joined in Leave would lose 45/55 and the EU would see it as this far and no further.
I’ll mention it to Dave next time I have lunch with him.
That would include the editors of the Daily Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph would it? In fact, can you show me a link to any paper that "poured a whole load of shit over the leave voters heads"?
On the other hand we had: 'Crush the Saboteurs' and 'Enemies of the People' from the Daily Mail, 'Great Britain or Great Betrayal' from the Sun, and 'The Brexit Mutineers' from the Telegraph. Who is pouring a whole load of shit over whom?
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1022836354487644160