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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,750
    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 11,896
    For JRM it's not about the country, it's personal. It's about winning for daddy.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44924844
  • Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 11,896

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    So now the ultra-Brexiteers think the Bank of England is a dud.

    Is there any UK institution left that hasn't been attacked by these whackos? Maybe the British Museum?

    I have some sympathy for the argument that the Governor should stay out of politics.
    Yes, the Governor of the Bank of England shouldn’t talk about the economy, especially since no deal Brexit is something some Leavers want.
    He should spend more time doing than talking. Seeking to influence political decisons is not a good look from someone who is supposed to be impartial.
    One of the statutory responsibilities of the Governor (and the Bank) is to ensure financial stability and warn when it is at risk.

    He’s doing his job.
    The fact you have to say this is extraordinary. People have gone mad.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    edited August 2018
    RobD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Can't wait to see Jacob talk his way around the massive Brexit recession that's coming.

    He'll be too busy though, over in Dublin.

    Since we have a free floating currency a massive recession is unlikely. I think a 2 or 3 quarters of low or no growth is the most likely outcome of no deal and then 1-2 years of below trend growth. The biggest downside risk to the UK economy is probably a recession in the EU. That really could result in a massive recession here. Unfortunately a no deal brexit may end up precipitating a recession in the EU as financial markets there will seize up and it could result in banks needing bailouts.
    If there’s no deal the corporation tax rate will go through the floor.
    I think it is not realised that just by dropping CT does not cure a recession. Yes, businesses will be attracted, many from Ireland, but that will take time.

    Also, UK is not Ireland. We already have a huge corporate sector. Halving CT rates also halves existing CT intake - we are talking many tens of billions.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,445

    I must say. Mark Carney has been very impressive. Definitely the best Governor of the BoE for many years.

    Dare I suggest, a near-perfect Governor?
  • RobD said:

    So now the ultra-Brexiteers think the Bank of England is a dud.

    Is there any UK institution left that hasn't been attacked by these whackos? Maybe the British Museum?

    I have some sympathy for the argument that the Governor should stay out of politics.
    Yes, the Governor of the Bank of England shouldn’t talk about the economy, especially since no deal Brexit is something some Leavers want.
    Yes, the man whose entire job description is to maintain price stability within the United Kingdom, to support the economic policy and growth objectives of the government and for formulating monetary policy should definitely butt the fuck out on Brexit it's clearly not even *remotely* relevant.

    THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH EYE ROLL EMOJIS FOR THE CONTEMPT I FEEL FOR JACOB REES MOGG.
    JRM is not loyal to the UK, he takes his whip from Rome.
    Erm, doesn't the Pope rather like the EU?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,445

    Mr. Max, pigs are fantastic. Gammon, pork, bacon, ham, all from one animal.

    You've missed the best of the lot: Pork scratchings!
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    edited August 2018

    I must say. Mark Carney has been very impressive. Definitely the best Governor of the BoE for many years.

    People could, quite rightly, question his assumptions, models etc. but surely he has every right to express an opinion on the central issue facing us.

    We are becoming like Trump's America. The Fed is being bullied by Trump - just like the BoE by Brexiters.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    Those letters from Mischon de Reya are an impressive bitch-slap.

    Admittedly however Formby's letters leave not so much a goal as an entire defence for the Solar System open. I haven't such abject rubbish since Kevin O'Connor of the Student Loans Company tied himself in knots trying to explain to me why his staff were so dumb they literally did not know that July was the month before August, or what records they retained, or the role of HMRC in the repayments system.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182
    Either Malan's brain is frazzled, or he simply can't catch.
    Either way, WTF is he doing in the slips. Time to go.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    Malan drops a catch - again. I thought South Africans were good fielders.
  • Dawid Malan is worse than Mark Reckless.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,750
    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    surby said:

    Malan drops a catch - again. I thought South Africans were good fielders.

    I think Malan will be dropped for dropping so many.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,527

    Dawid Malan is worse than Mark Reckless.

    :o quite an achievement.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 15,618
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wait until you see my 'Why it is unlikely to Boris' piece on Sunday.

    If it is not Boris prepare for PM Corbyn
    That depends on who it is. But Boris is absolutely not PM material. he is a good salesman but not a chief executive and a party and government led by Boris would be a directionless disaster, driven by whims and with no attention to detail or follow-through.

    But while Boris would significantly increase Corbyn's chances, that doesn't mean that a not-Boris wouldn't do the same - JRM, for example. On the other hand, I suspect that there's a large portion of the electorate which isn't looking for ideology or revolution and just wants effecient, effective government. To them, any Tory leader who looks optimistic, confident and competent will do. You might say that's quite a high bar - and it is - but I do think that Javid/Gove could potentially recreate a lot of what Cameron/Osborne did, though you never really know what a leader would be like until they're in post.
    The Tories would be on 29% under Javid and Hunt and 30% under Gove and 35% with Mogg with Yougov but 38% with Boris.
    Perhaps, initially. Plenty of time for that to turn round once the public saw whoever was elected.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 5,850
    surby said:

    RobD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Can't wait to see Jacob talk his way around the massive Brexit recession that's coming.

    He'll be too busy though, over in Dublin.

    Since we have a free floating currency a massive recession is unlikely. I think a 2 or 3 quarters of low or no growth is the most likely outcome of no deal and then 1-2 years of below trend growth. The biggest downside risk to the UK economy is probably a recession in the EU. That really could result in a massive recession here. Unfortunately a no deal brexit may end up precipitating a recession in the EU as financial markets there will seize up and it could result in banks needing bailouts.
    If there’s no deal the corporation tax rate will go through the floor.
    I think it is not realised that just by dropping CT does not cure a recession. Yes, businesses will be attracted, many from Ireland, but that will take time.

    Also, UK is not Ireland. We already have a huge corporate sector. Halving CT rates also halves existing CT intake - we are talking many tens of billions.
    Not to mention cutting the 30% Tory polling (post no-deal) to 20% as it's portrayed as "gifts to big business while the NHS is collapsing".
  • Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,072
    RobD said:
    We have only just got started unfortunately...
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 15,618

    HYUFD said:

    Wait until you see my 'Why it is unlikely to Boris' piece on Sunday.

    If it is not Boris prepare for PM Corbyn
    That depends on who it is. But Boris is absolutely not PM material. he is a good salesman but not a chief executive and a party and government led by Boris would be a directionless disaster, driven by whims and with no attention to detail or follow-through.

    But while Boris would significantly increase Corbyn's chances, that doesn't mean that a not-Boris wouldn't do the same - JRM, for example. On the other hand, I suspect that there's a large portion of the electorate which isn't looking for ideology or revolution and just wants effecient, effective government. To them, any Tory leader who looks optimistic, confident and competent will do. You might say that's quite a high bar - and it is - but I do think that Javid/Gove could potentially recreate a lot of what Cameron/Osborne did, though you never really know what a leader would be like until they're in post.
    Were not Cameron and Blair in the good salesman rather than detail category of leaders?

    Was not Brown and May in the detail obsessive but not salesman/woman category of leaders?

    Boris seems more of a Blair or Cameron than a Brown or May. A Chairman more than a Chief Executive.
    Cameron and Blair were good salesmen but also capable enough leaders and chief execs. I agree that an excessive attention to detail and an inability to delegate is a serious failing, especially when combined with a defensive, secretive and untrusting personality. however, Boris goes far too far to the other extreme.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    I still think there is not much wrong with the wicket. It's a normal end of third day pitch.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    That's the only way Broad's going to take wickets, it seems.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wait until you see my 'Why it is unlikely to Boris' piece on Sunday.

    If it is not Boris prepare for PM Corbyn
    That depends on who it is. But Boris is absolutely not PM material. he is a good salesman but not a chief executive and a party and government led by Boris would be a directionless disaster, driven by whims and with no attention to detail or follow-through.

    But while Boris would significantly increase Corbyn's chances, that doesn't mean that a not-Boris wouldn't do the same - JRM, for example. On the other hand, I suspect that there's a large portion of the electorate which isn't looking for ideology or revolution and just wants effecient, effective government. To them, any Tory leader who looks optimistic, confident and competent will do. You might say that's quite a high bar - and it is - but I do think that Javid/Gove could potentially recreate a lot of what Cameron/Osborne did, though you never really know what a leader would be like until they're in post.
    The Tories would be on 29% under Javid and Hunt and 30% under Gove and 35% with Mogg with Yougov but 38% with Boris.
    Perhaps, initially. Plenty of time for that to turn round once the public saw whoever was elected.
    Does HYUFD get a commission each time he mentions a poll ? He goes on and on about them. A poll is , at best, an indicator with a 3/4 % error and 1 in 20 are, on average, wrong !

    That's it !
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,750
    F1: Ladbrokes has a Red Bull 2nd driver market up.

    Surprised that Gasly is favourite. I know he's highly rated, but Sainz, surely, has to be locked in or set free from Red Bull?

    They're 1.57 and 2.62 respectively. The odds don't especially tempt me. Sainz may be a bit long but not enough for me to dip my toe in the water.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182
    edited August 2018

    F1: Ladbrokes has a Red Bull 2nd driver market up.

    Surprised that Gasly is favourite. I know he's highly rated, but Sainz, surely, has to be locked in or set free from Red Bull?

    They're 1.57 and 2.62 respectively. The odds don't especially tempt me. Sainz may be a bit long but not enough for me to dip my toe in the water.

    What about Alonso ?
    Unlikely, I know, but still...

    Sainz is a little unlikely now. Having been mentioned as the 'reserve' if Ricciardo didn't re-sign, the fact they didn't announce him today means they are exploring their options.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    Was it paracetamol or just ibuprofen ?
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    Anorak said:
    Finally, he has said something sensible.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182
    edited August 2018
    ydoethur said:

    That's the only way Broad's going to take wickets, it seems.

    Apparently not.

    Time for Curran now.
  • Nigelb said:

    F1: Ladbrokes has a Red Bull 2nd driver market up.

    Surprised that Gasly is favourite. I know he's highly rated, but Sainz, surely, has to be locked in or set free from Red Bull?

    They're 1.57 and 2.62 respectively. The odds don't especially tempt me. Sainz may be a bit long but not enough for me to dip my toe in the water.

    What about Alonso ?
    Unlikely, I know, but still...
    What are the odds on the Hannibal of F1, Luca Badoer?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 7,064

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    Very even test to be fair
  • Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,750
    edited August 2018
    Mr. B, hmm.

    Depends if Red Bull value points over harmony.

    Mr. Anorak, the internet and globalised trade, plus the gig economy, has raised new questions for how we do things. Mann has a point. Lurching to Corbyn's socialist idiocy is not the answer, nor is pretending these new problems have not arisen.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. B, I think your reasoning on Sainz is sound. But that also implies Gasly isn't a dead cert because if Sainz is right off the table and Gasly were guaranteed, surely he would've been announced?

    You might be right about Alonso.

    Edited extra bit two: put a little on him, and similar on Raikkonen, just in case Leclerc does get the Ferrari gig. With boost, it's 61 for Alonso and 34 for Raikkonen.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,781

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    What else are choirboys there for?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's the only way Broad's going to take wickets, it seems.

    Apparently not.

    Time for Curran now.
    Kohl is due 700 runs in this match, he'll still be batting next week.

    And what total fuckwit started this on a Wednesday when this could be building on a Saturday and climaxing on a Sunday?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,781
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
    I seem to recall there was quite a lot of paedophile protection in Bruxelles a few years ago?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    Pulpstar said:

    Very even test to be fair

    Kohli is the difference. If one of Jennings, Root or Bairstow had made their start count the way he did, England would be so far out of sight that India wouldn't be able to see them with the Hubble telescope.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
    If I were feeling malicious I would mention an organisation both Hodge and Corbyn belong to...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182

    Nigelb said:

    F1: Ladbrokes has a Red Bull 2nd driver market up.

    Surprised that Gasly is favourite. I know he's highly rated, but Sainz, surely, has to be locked in or set free from Red Bull?

    They're 1.57 and 2.62 respectively. The odds don't especially tempt me. Sainz may be a bit long but not enough for me to dip my toe in the water.

    What about Alonso ?
    Unlikely, I know, but still...
    What are the odds on the Hannibal of F1, Luca Badoer?
    I don't think RBR value quite that kind of consistency.
  • Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 5,850
    ydoethur said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
    If I were feeling malicious I would mention an organisation both Hodge and Corbyn belong to...
    That rules out Labour Friends of Israel, then.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182
    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Very even test to be fair

    Kohli is the difference. If one of Jennings, Root or Bairstow had made their start count the way he did, England would be so far out of sight that India wouldn't be able to see them with the Hubble telescope.
    Unkind souls might also say that Malan is the difference. And to be fair, India did hold rather more of their chances.
  • Sean_F said:

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    What else are choirboys there for?
    We all know the Catholic Church would be pro contraception if choirboys could get pregnant.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Have to be rather careful choosing the venue for that, though....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 10,908

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    So they assessed abuse within religions rather than perpetrators by religion?
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  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,781
    ydoethur said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
    If I were feeling malicious I would mention an organisation both Hodge and Corbyn belong to...
    As a student, I was warned by a fairly prominent Conservative activist never to get into a lift on my own with Peter Morrison.

    A friend of mine who was a YC felt someone stroking his bottom in the bar at Conference. he turned round to discover that it was a Cabinet Minister.
  • ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's the only way Broad's going to take wickets, it seems.

    Apparently not.

    Time for Curran now.
    Kohl is due 700 runs in this match, he'll still be batting next week.

    And what total fuckwit started this on a Wednesday when this could be building on a Saturday and climaxing on a Sunday?
    Come on, Indi.....aaaaarrgh....

    [Sunil suddenly clutches his head, screaming, as his Tebbit Chip kicks in! Before a more servile expression crosses his face]

    Come on, England! Give the caste-botherers hell!
  • tlg86 said:

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    So they assessed abuse within religions rather than perpetrators by religion?
    Both.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    edited August 2018

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    Think we need more than that TSE. For a start, which one? If it was the NSS or American Atheists, then we just ignore their findings as they will almost certainly be a blatant and not very convincing forgery to support a pre-determined conclusion (it's not that long ago I had to take one of the latter to task for falsifying information about David Irving, unbelievably, to support their conclusions on Hitler - turned out that individual couldn't be trusted around teenage girls, in unrelated news).

    If it is by the New College of the Humanities or the Center for Inquiry, we treat it with reservations as although there are some honourable and intelligent people on the staff there are also many cranks.

    If it is from the University of Manchester, it's probably reliable.

    For myself, I'm sceptical. I've seen all sorts of weird and wonderful claims on this (for example, there was a study not that long ago which showed lawyers are statistically the most likely group to be paedophiles) but because of the very nature of the crime precise statistics are very hard to come by.
  • ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's the only way Broad's going to take wickets, it seems.

    Apparently not.

    Time for Curran now.
    Kohl is due 700 runs in this match, he'll still be batting next week.

    And what total fuckwit started this on a Wednesday when this could be building on a Saturday and climaxing on a Sunday?
    Come on, Indi.....aaaaarrgh....

    [Sunil suddenly clutches his head, screaming, as his Tebbit Chip kicks in! Before a more servile expression crosses his face]

    Come on, England! Give the caste-botherers hell!
    Sunil this is a five match test series, please don't repeat this joke on a daily basis.

    It wasn't funny the first time.
  • Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    Oh I see, they were only ranking all the wonderful faiths by how many kiddie-fiddlers they protected and not by the totality of their horrific abuses. Still more PhD opportunities available in that case.
  • Sean_F said:

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    What else are choirboys there for?
    We all know the Catholic Church would be pro contraception if choirboys could get pregnant.
    Isn't there an Afghanistan proverb that goes something like: ”Women are for children, boys are for pleasure.”?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 30,432
    edited August 2018

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's the only way Broad's going to take wickets, it seems.

    Apparently not.

    Time for Curran now.
    Kohl is due 700 runs in this match, he'll still be batting next week.

    And what total fuckwit started this on a Wednesday when this could be building on a Saturday and climaxing on a Sunday?
    Come on, Indi.....aaaaarrgh....

    [Sunil suddenly clutches his head, screaming, as his Tebbit Chip kicks in! Before a more servile expression crosses his face]

    Come on, England! Give the caste-botherers hell!
    Sunil this is a five match test series, please don't repeat this joke on a daily basis.

    It wasn't funny the first time.
    Just reassuring everyone that my Tebbit Chip is functioning normally :)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,781
    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    Think we need more than that TSE. For a start, which one? If it was the NSS or American Atheists, then we just ignore their findings as they will almost certainly be a blatant and not very convincing forgery to support a pre-determined conclusion (it's not that long ago I had to take one of the latter to task for falsifying information about David Irving, unbelievably, to support their conclusions on Hitler - turned out that individual couldn't be trusted around teenage girls, in unrelated news).

    If it is by the New College of the Humanities or the Center for Inquiry, we treat it with reservations as although there are some honourable and intelligent people on the staff there are also many cranks.

    If it is from the University of Manchester, it's probably reliable.

    For myself, I'm sceptical. I've seen all sorts of weird and wonderful claims on this (for example, there was a study not that long ago which showed lawyers are statistically the most likely group to be paedophiles) but because of the very nature of the crime precise statistics are very hard to come by.
    A friend of mine who went to Shrewsbury school in the 1970's and 1980's makes it sound like a rape camp.
  • Nigelb said:

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Have to be rather careful choosing the venue for that, though....
    Scott-Amundsen Research Base, South Pole, Antarctica :-)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,781

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    What else are choirboys there for?
    We all know the Catholic Church would be pro contraception if choirboys could get pregnant.
    Isn't there an Afghanistan proverb that goes something like: ”Women are for children, boys are for pleasure.”?
    The Pathans have a marching song:

    "There's a boy across the river/
    with a bottom like a peach/
    but the water level's rising/
    and alas, I cannot swim."


    I believe it's also the regimental anthem for one of the Indian Army regiments.

  • ydoethur said:

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    Think we need more than that TSE. For a start, which one? If it was the NSS or American Atheists, then we just ignore their findings as they will almost certainly be a blatant and not very convincing forgery to support a pre-determined conclusion (it's not that long ago I had to take one of the latter to task for falsifying information about David Irving, unbelievably, to support their conclusions on Hitler - turned out that individual couldn't be trusted around teenage girls, in unrelated news).

    If it is by the New College of the Humanities or the Center for Inquiry, we treat it with reservations as although there are some honourable and intelligent people on the staff there are also many cranks.

    If it is from the University of Manchester, it's probably reliable.

    For myself, I'm sceptical. I've seen all sorts of weird and wonderful claims on this (for example, there was a study not that long ago which showed lawyers are statistically the most likely group to be paedophiles) but because of the very nature of the crime precise statistics are very hard to come by.
    I'll try and dig it out for you.

    If memory serves it was a British group conducted by a university.

    They said test this hypothesis and they did.
  • Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    Oh I see, they were only ranking all the wonderful faiths by how many kiddie-fiddlers they protected and not by the totality of their horrific abuses. Still more PhD opportunities available in that case.
    No, they looked at the religion of the perpetrators, regardless of whether the child had religion in their life.
  • Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    What else are choirboys there for?
    We all know the Catholic Church would be pro contraception if choirboys could get pregnant.
    Isn't there an Afghanistan proverb that goes something like: ”Women are for children, boys are for pleasure.”?
    The Pathans have a marching song:

    "There's a boy across the river/
    with a bottom like a peach/
    but the water level's rising/
    and alas, I cannot swim."


    I believe it's also the regimental anthem for one of the Indian Army regiments.

    They say when a Tajik wants to make love to a woman, his first choice is always a Pashtun man.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    edited August 2018
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
    If I were feeling malicious I would mention an organisation both Hodge and Corbyn belong to...
    As a student, I was warned by a fairly prominent Conservative activist never to get into a lift on my own with Peter Morrison.

    A friend of mine who was a YC felt someone stroking his bottom in the bar at Conference. he turned round to discover that it was a Cabinet Minister.
    The real point about this is of course that this is something that most people didn't talk about it and when they did didn't take it seriously. One of the curious features of the puritanical Home Secretary William Joynson-Hicks (1924/29) was that he did try to strengthen both prosecution and punishment for paedophiles. He was particularly angry when he found somebody who had raped an eight year old girl had got four months. He was attacked by the opposition Labour Party for being too severe.

    More recently perpetrators were aided and abetted by the anxiety of the powerful to avoid scandal. We can't have priests or cabinet ministers or social workers who identify as gay accused of paedophilia, because that will undermine faith in the whole system. Move them! Cover it up! Bully the victims into silence! Then we can all carry on as before.

    The reason it is now coming out about he big churches is because as their influence has waned to the extent people are no longer afraid of them. In Rochdale, it was after the depredations grew so great they could no longer be ignored. In other areas, particularly around LEAs and social workers, the investigation has barely started, massively helped by the reluctance of civil servants and politicians to condemn their own. But if their influence is weakened, the collapse could come suddenly. Labour would also be very much in the firing line over this.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,781
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
    If I were feeling malicious I would mention an organisation both Hodge and Corbyn belong to...
    As a student, I was warned by a fairly prominent Conservative activist never to get into a lift on my own with Peter Morrison.

    A friend of mine who was a YC felt someone stroking his bottom in the bar at Conference. he turned round to discover that it was a Cabinet Minister.
    The real point about this is of course that this is something that most people didn't talk about it and when they did didn't take it seriously. One of the curious features of the puritanical Home Secretary William Joynson-Hicks (1924/29) was that he did try to strengthen both prosecution and punishment for paedophiles. He was particularly angry when he found somebody who had raped an eight year old girl had got four months. He was attacked by the opposition Labour Party for being too severe.

    More recently perpetrators were aided and abetted by the anxiety of the powerful to avoid scandal. We can't have priests or cabinet ministers or social workers who identify as gay accused of paedophilia, because that will undermine faith in the whole system. Move them! Cover it up! Bully the victims into silence! Then we can all carry on as before.

    The reason it is now coming out about he big churches is because as their influence has waned to the extent people are no longer afraid of them. In Rochdale, it was after the depredations grew so great they could no longer be ignored. In other areas, particularly around LEAs and social workers, the investigation has barely started, massively helped by the reluctnace of civil servants and politicians to condemn their own. But if their influence is weakened, the collapse could come suddenly. Labour would also be very much in the firing line over this.
    Sir Lewis Harcourt was a serial child abuser, who eventually killed himself, just before he was due to go on trial. But, for years, his activities were tolerated among his fellow politicians, who simply warned their own children off having anything to do with him,
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    Think we need more than that TSE. For a start, which one? If it was the NSS or American Atheists, then we just ignore their findings as they will almost certainly be a blatant and not very convincing forgery to support a pre-determined conclusion (it's not that long ago I had to take one of the latter to task for falsifying information about David Irving, unbelievably, to support their conclusions on Hitler - turned out that individual couldn't be trusted around teenage girls, in unrelated news).

    If it is by the New College of the Humanities or the Center for Inquiry, we treat it with reservations as although there are some honourable and intelligent people on the staff there are also many cranks.

    If it is from the University of Manchester, it's probably reliable.

    For myself, I'm sceptical. I've seen all sorts of weird and wonderful claims on this (for example, there was a study not that long ago which showed lawyers are statistically the most likely group to be paedophiles) but because of the very nature of the crime precise statistics are very hard to come by.
    A friend of mine who went to Shrewsbury school in the 1970's and 1980's makes it sound like a rape camp.
    Four teachers at my school in the same timeframe were later jailed for sex offences.
    Thanks to the 'right to forget', it's impossible to find links to the press reports now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
    If I were feeling malicious I would mention an organisation both Hodge and Corbyn belong to...
    As a student, I was warned by a fairly prominent Conservative activist never to get into a lift on my own with Peter Morrison.

    A friend of mine who was a YC felt someone stroking his bottom in the bar at Conference. he turned round to discover that it was a Cabinet Minister.
    The real point about this is of course that this is something that most people didn't talk about it and when they did didn't take it seriously. One of the curious features of the puritanical Home Secretary William Joynson-Hicks (1924/29) was that he did try to strengthen both prosecution and punishment for paedophiles. He was particularly angry when he found somebody who had raped an eight year old girl had got four months. He was attacked by the opposition Labour Party for being too severe.

    More recently perpetrators were aided and abetted by the anxiety of the powerful to avoid scandal. We can't have priests or cabinet ministers or social workers who identify as gay accused of paedophilia, because that will undermine faith in the whole system. Move them! Cover it up! Bully the victims into silence! Then we can all carry on as before.

    The reason it is now coming out about he big churches is because as their influence has waned to the extent people are no longer afraid of them. In Rochdale, it was after the depredations grew so great they could no longer be ignored. In other areas, particularly around LEAs and social workers, the investigation has barely started, massively helped by the reluctnace of civil servants and politicians to condemn their own. But if their influence is weakened, the collapse could come suddenly. Labour would also be very much in the firing line over this.
    Sir Lewis Harcourt was a serial child abuser, who eventually killed himself, just before he was due to go on trial. But, for years, his activities were tolerated among his fellow politicians, who simply warned their own children off having anything to do with him,
    If you want another famous paedophile, Lord Melbourne was one of the worst, although technically what he did wasn't illegal as it was before the age of consent was brought in.
  • Nigelb said:



    Four teachers at my school in the same timeframe were later jailed for sex offences.
    Thanks to the 'right to forget', it's impossible to find links to the press reports now.

    Are you an alumnus of Ampleforth College?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    edited August 2018
    Nigelb said:

    Four teachers at my school in the same timeframe were later jailed for sex offences.
    Thanks to the 'right to forget', it's impossible to find links to the press reports now.

    Two at my school were known paedophiles. One was convicted and so far as I know is still in jail.

    The other was Chris Woodhead. They never did quite make the charges stick.
  • Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    Oh I see, they were only ranking all the wonderful faiths by how many kiddie-fiddlers they protected and not by the totality of their horrific abuses. Still more PhD opportunities available in that case.
    No, they looked at the religion of the perpetrators, regardless of whether the child had religion in their life.
    Oh. So it was just about underage sex and didn't consider the oppression, rape and genital mutilation of women, the brutalisation and mass murder of gays, the persecution and genocide of minority religious groups, oppression of democracy and freedom of expression, internecine conflict between rival religious factions and religiously motivated terrorism?

    Not terribly comprehensive, this study.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,781
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
    If I were feeling malicious I would mention an organisation both Hodge and Corbyn belong to...
    As a student, I was warned by a fairly prominent Conservative activist never to get into a lift on my own with Peter Morrison.

    A friend of mine who was a YC felt someone stroking his bottom in the bar at Conference. he turned round to discover that it was a Cabinet Minister.
    Sir Lewis Harcourt was a serial child abuser, who eventually killed himself, just before he was due to go on trial. But, for years, his activities were tolerated among his fellow politicians, who simply warned their own children off having anything to do with him,
    If you want another famous paedophile, Lord Melbourne was one of the worst, although technically what he did wasn't illegal as it was before the age of consent was brought in.
    He enjoyed flagellating very young servant girls, IIRC. I've sometimes wondered if he molested Victoria.


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    If we can get Kohli, England should win this.

    And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
  • Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    Oh I see, they were only ranking all the wonderful faiths by how many kiddie-fiddlers they protected and not by the totality of their horrific abuses. Still more PhD opportunities available in that case.
    No, they looked at the religion of the perpetrators, regardless of whether the child had religion in their life.
    Oh. So it was just about underage sex and didn't consider the oppression, rape and genital mutilation of women, the brutalisation and mass murder of gays, the persecution and genocide of minority religious groups, oppression of democracy and freedom of expression, internecine conflict between rival religious factions and religiously motivated terrorism?

    Not terribly comprehensive, this study.
    No it covered a lot of crimes.

    But I'm sure the Catholic church wins on that front if you look hard enough.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,631
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
    If I were feeling malicious I would mention an organisation both Hodge and Corbyn belong to...
    As a student, I was warned by a fairly prominent Conservative activist never to get into a lift on my own with Peter Morrison.

    A friend of mine who was a YC felt someone stroking his bottom in the bar at Conference. he turned round to discover that it was a Cabinet Minister.
    Sir Lewis Harcourt was a serial child abuser, who eventually killed himself, just before he was due to go on trial. But, for years, his activities were tolerated among his fellow politicians, who simply warned their own children off having anything to do with him,
    If you want another famous paedophile, Lord Melbourne was one of the worst, although technically what he did wasn't illegal as it was before the age of consent was brought in.
    He enjoyed flagellating very young servant girls, IIRC. I've sometimes wondered if he molested Victoria.


    No, he would have been unable to find the opportunity.

    His obsession in the late 1830s may have been a sign of desire, but she was quite a bit older than his usual targets by then.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,781

    Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    Oh I see, they were only ranking all the wonderful faiths by how many kiddie-fiddlers they protected and not by the totality of their horrific abuses. Still more PhD opportunities available in that case.
    No, they looked at the religion of the perpetrators, regardless of whether the child had religion in their life.
    Oh. So it was just about underage sex and didn't consider the oppression, rape and genital mutilation of women, the brutalisation and mass murder of gays, the persecution and genocide of minority religious groups, oppression of democracy and freedom of expression, internecine conflict between rival religious factions and religiously motivated terrorism?

    Not terribly comprehensive, this study.
    No it covered a lot of crimes.

    But I'm sure the Catholic church wins on that front if you look hard enough.
    I expect the Communist Party of the Soviet Union would knock it out of the park.

    So many of its senior figures were serial rapists.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 30,432
    edited August 2018
    Sean_F said:



    Isn't there an Afghanistan proverb that goes something like: ”Women are for children, boys are for pleasure.”?

    The Pathans have a marching song:

    "There's a boy across the river/
    with a bottom like a peach/
    but the water level's rising/
    and alas, I cannot swim."


    I believe it's also the regimental anthem for one of the Indian Army regiments.


    During research into compiling these pages 'Fifty years of Army Music', by Lieutenant Colonel J MacKenzie Rogan, published in 1926, was consulted 'Fifty years of Army Music', is so informative, not only of the music but soldiering of the time Rogan spent with The Queen's. During the time he spent in India he showed considerable interest in Indian music and made good use of it. A quote from 'Songs and Music of the Red Coats' by Lewis Winstock. 'Whilst at Calcutta in 1885 he composed music on Indian themes which were played when the Regimental Band performed at Indian weddings.' It is believed that Rogan was the first to re-arrange for Army bands the well-known tune 'Zachmi Dil, 'The Wounded Heart', which is a Pathan love song which begins:

    There's a boy across the river
    With a bottom like a peach
    But alas! I cannot swim ....

    Lewis Winstock recalls that this entered the repertoire of the North Staffordshire and Liverpool Regiments which the latter used as an unofficial march. This may be so, but Major Jock Haswell recalls that when he was on the Frontier at the beginning of the Second Word War, the 1st Battalion The Queen's Royal Regiment used it and it was well known throughout the Regiment. The importance of the band in Infantry Regiments cannot be over emphasised. The late Major Dick Smith, an ex-Band Sergeant of The Middlesex Regiment wrote:

    "Before mechanisation, a unit marched for miles, sometimes hundreds of miles, behind its Corps of Drums and its Band, and what a brightening of faces and added spring to the step there was once the music struck up. To pay another unit a compliment, the band would be sent to march it into, or away, from the Garrison. At the end of a long and tiring march on one occasion, the Battalion was marching to its encampment by Dhond, in India. It was met by the pipe band of the Rajputana Rifles who played 'Zachmi Dil'. The pipes and the rhythmic beat of the drums had the battalions that had just previously been dog tired swinging along with backs straight and heads erect as if it was just starting a march instead of finishing one of long duration."


    http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/new_music/01.shtml
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 75,321
    edited August 2018
    Sean_F said:


    I expect the Communist Party of the Soviet Union would knock it out of the park.

    So many of its senior figures were serial rapists.

    Homophobes and anti-Semites as well.

    I had a discussion at university many years ago when someone said the deaths from the great leap forward shouldn't be held against Communism/Mao because his intent was good, it was just poor planning.

    I think my eyes rolled into another time zone.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,039

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wait until you see my 'Why it is unlikely to Boris' piece on Sunday.

    If it is not Boris prepare for PM Corbyn
    That depends on who it is. But Boris is absolutely not PM material. he is a good salesman but not a chief executive and a party and government led by Boris would be a directionless disaster, driven by whims and with no attention to detail or follow-through.

    But while Boris would significantly increase Corbyn's chances, that doesn't mean that a not-Boris wouldn't do the same - JRM, for example. On the other hand, I suspect that there's a large portion of the electorate which isn't looking for ideology or revolution and just wants effecient, effective government. To them, any Tory leader who looks optimistic, confident and competent will do. You might say that's quite a high bar - and it is - but I do think that Javid/Gove could potentially recreate a lot of what Cameron/Osborne did, though you never really know what a leader would be like until they're in post.
    The Tories would be on 29% under Javid and Hunt and 30% under Gove and 35% with Mogg with Yougov but 38% with Boris.
    Perhaps, initially. Plenty of time for that to turn round once the public saw whoever was elected.
    True. Or get worse.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 75,321
    edited August 2018
    This is what a great and patriotic Labour leader looks like.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 28,798
    I've just been polled by the Conservative party about GE candidate selection...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182

    Nigelb said:



    Four teachers at my school in the same timeframe were later jailed for sex offences.
    Thanks to the 'right to forget', it's impossible to find links to the press reports now.

    Are you an alumnus of Ampleforth College?
    That would have been rather more than four, I think.
  • Mr. Rentool, ha, only had them once or twice.

    Mr. Eagles, we could always tot up the Catholic priests/nuns and the Muslim rape gangs and see who comes ahead, if want to.

    Although I'd rather contemplate the F1 driver market in 2019, to be honest.

    Be interesting to see if Renault operate an equal policy or make Ricciardo their number one chap overtly.

    Somebody already has, the Catholic Church wins hands down
    Says whom?

    Has anyone done any serious academic work to rank the world's religions in order of shittyness? There must be several PhDs and a major international conference in that.
    Some anti-religion organisation, they had some numbers crunched.

    They said there’s a higher chance of CSE if a child has religion in their life.

    The worst offender by far was the Catholic Church, given their habit of covering up child abuse and moving the abuser on to a new area so they can have new victims.
    Oh I see, they were only ranking all the wonderful faiths by how many kiddie-fiddlers they protected and not by the totality of their horrific abuses. Still more PhD opportunities available in that case.
    No, they looked at the religion of the perpetrators, regardless of whether the child had religion in their life.
    Oh. So it was just about underage sex and didn't consider the oppression, rape and genital mutilation of women, the brutalisation and mass murder of gays, the persecution and genocide of minority religious groups, oppression of democracy and freedom of expression, internecine conflict between rival religious factions and religiously motivated terrorism?

    Not terribly comprehensive, this study.
    No it covered a lot of crimes.

    But I'm sure the Catholic church wins on that front if you look hard enough.
    I suppose it's all a matter of timescales. If you go back to the Council of Nicaea and cover the entire period since then, you're probably right.

    Enough to keep a whole university department in business for years, researching all of that lot.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 18,648
    Looks like Tory East Sussex council will be the second to go into pre-bankruptcy special measures
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:



    Four teachers at my school in the same timeframe were later jailed for sex offences.
    Thanks to the 'right to forget', it's impossible to find links to the press reports now.

    Are you an alumnus of Ampleforth College?
    That would have been rather more than four, I think.
    True.

    One of ex colleagues was an alumnus of Ampleforth, when he complained about the unwanted attentions he was getting from a teacher, he was told in effect that whatever the teacher is doing is God's work, and that he shouldn't disrespect God unless he wishes to spend eternity riding hellfire.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's the only way Broad's going to take wickets, it seems.

    Apparently not.

    Time for Curran now.
    Kohl is due 700 runs in this match, he'll still be batting next week.

    And what total fuckwit started this on a Wednesday when this could be building on a Saturday and climaxing on a Sunday?
    Come on, Indi.....aaaaarrgh....

    [Sunil suddenly clutches his head, screaming, as his Tebbit Chip kicks in! Before a more servile expression crosses his face]

    Come on, England! Give the caste-botherers hell!
    At least, now-a-days many Tamil and South Indian cricketers are in the team. 40 years ago, Indian cricket meant Bombay !
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 56,065
    Sean_F said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Mr. Eagles, could be worse. He could take it from Brussels ;)

    Bruxelles isn’t the home of the world’s largest paedophile protection network like the Catholic Church.
    Pointless claim, both for evidential reasons and because presumably "largest" is on a gross basis? Adjust to per capita and the Anglicans are well in with a shout.
    I seem to recall there was quite a lot of paedophile protection in Bruxelles a few years ago?
    There are some quite dramatic rumours on the internet regarding certain senior figures in a certain organisation based in that city and what they like to watch in their spare time and who they get it from
  • IanB2 said:

    Looks like Tory East Sussex council will be the second to go into pre-bankruptcy special measures

    If accurate, this story gets odder and odder. Why is it that these relatively well-off shire counties are falling over first? You would've thought the first councils to roll over and stick their legs up in the air would be in places struggling to meet the needs of deprived communities?
  • IanB2 said:

    Looks like Tory East Sussex council will be the second to go into pre-bankruptcy special measures

    If accurate, this story gets odder and odder. Why is it that these relatively well-off shire counties are falling over first? You would've thought the first councils to roll over and stick their legs up in the air would be in places struggling to meet the needs of deprived communities?
    Tory voters are older and it is social care which is pushing councils over the edge.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    That's the only way Broad's going to take wickets, it seems.

    Apparently not.

    Time for Curran now.
    Kohl is due 700 runs in this match, he'll still be batting next week.

    And what total fuckwit started this on a Wednesday when this could be building on a Saturday and climaxing on a Sunday?
    Kohl did very well for himself with being 16 years as Chancellor of Germany. I wasn't aware that he played cricket !

    Sshhh: Don't teach the Germans how to play cricket. The ACC already made a mistake by introducing it to the Chinese.
  • mattmatt Posts: 2,948
    edited August 2018
    surby said:

    Anorak said:

    surby said:

    A YouTube video from Corbyn is just not going to cut the mustard.

    Adopted the full set of examples won't do it - because he is pretty clearly in breach of some of the missing ones and there won't be an investigation into him.

    Even presenting himself for conversion to Judaism is not going to do it.

    He has allowed a situation to develop where there is no resolution short of resignation.

    And I don't see that happening.

    I cannot think of any form of words short of 'I resign' that will bring this matter to a close. Indeed the video could well make it worse.

    Who cares ?
    Pretty much a whole minority group.
    I can see Barnet will be lost. Oh, wait..........
    Moral crusade 1: Unpleasant race baiting 2
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 22,758
    IanB2 said:

    Looks like Tory East Sussex council will be the second to go into pre-bankruptcy special measures

    I doubt it very much. It's a well-run council, which has made a lot of progress in reducing costs.

    It does have a big demographic problem, though - lots of elderly residents.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 56,065

    I'm loving HYUFD's idea that Boris Johnson is going to sell May's Brexit, that he described as a turd, to the public in a General Election.

    Post-referendum he couldn't even sell his own version of Brexit. His big speech was a disaster that's only remembered for jokes about stag dos and sex tourism.

    Boris would not sell May's Brexit, he would sell No Deal Brexit if we are still in a transition period by December 2020 with no FTA.

    It was also Boris leading Leave which played a key part in the Leave win
  • mattmatt Posts: 2,948
    edited August 2018

    So now the ultra-Brexiteers think the Bank of England is a dud.

    Is there any UK institution left that hasn't been attacked by these whackos? Maybe the British Museum?

    Mogg hasn’t changed since university. That is not a compliment.
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