Those Mishcon de Reya lawyers must be gutted that they can’t continue writing such letters. It’s not often you can have so much fun putting the boot in.
I was really looking forward to this reaching court. Mischon de Reya would have had a field day with 30 odd years' worth of evidence about Jezza's 'associates'.
Those Mishcon de Reya lawyers must be gutted that they can’t continue writing such letters. It’s not often you can have so much fun putting the boot in.
Perhaps they will take on another client who is currently facing investigation... more letters to be written on his behalf
Those Mishcon de Reya lawyers must be gutted that they can’t continue writing such letters. It’s not often you can have so much fun putting the boot in.
I was really looking forward to this reaching court. Mischon de Reya would have had a field day with 30 odd years' worth of evidence about Jezza's 'associates'.
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
Daily Mail readers loved his comments judging by the remarks below the line, Corbyn and Boris may not speak to PC upper middle class wealthy liberal centrists but their left wing socialist and rightwing pro Brexit base love them
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
And yet, I suspect a significant majority of voters agree with Boris. We don't like overt displays of religion, they make people feel uncomfortable - for security reasons, as a provocative our-religion-is-better-than-yours statement, and simply because it is not the British way to hide your face - but equally, it is not the British way to ban pople who ultimately want to do it.
We don't know what the hard core Send-Back-the-Towelheads vote caps out at in the UK, but we have to assume it's somewhat less than the peak UKIP vote. Not every single UKIP voter is an insane frothing racist nutcase, after all. Just most of them.
That being the case, what's to gain from the Tories going full Third Reich on Muslims like Boris/Bannon/Robinson/Banks want?
Aren't Burqas sexist, grabcoque? You know, only women are supposed to wear them? And couldn't one argue that Burqas are Unislamic, given that Allah (SWT) in His Inifinite Wisdom willed us to be born stark-raving naked?
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
And yet, I suspect a significant majority of voters agree with Boris. We don't like overt displays of religion, they make people feel uncomfortable - for security reasons, as a provocative our-religion-is-better-than-yours statement, and simply because it is not the British way to hide your face - but equally, it is not the British way to ban pople who ultimately want to do it.
We don't know what the hard core Send-Back-the-Towelheads vote caps out at in the UK, but we have to assume it's somewhat less than the peak UKIP vote. Not every single UKIP voter is an insane frothing racist nutcase, after all. Just most of them.
That being the case, what's to gain from the Tories going full Third Reich on Muslims like Boris/Bannon/Robinson/Banks want?
24% would vote for a hard right anti immigration party and 38% for a rightwing pro Brexit party with YouGov, UKIP peaked at 27% in the 2014 Euros and 12% in the 2015 general election
Will they be adopting the full internationally recognized definition of antisemitism now?
They have already, it is the illustrative examples that Labour currently differ on, notably defining it as anti-semitic to compare Nazi Germany and Israel.
I agree that to do so is fatuous, factually wrong and deliberately insulting, but is it inevitably anti-semitic? After all, nearly everything on the internet gets to be compared with Nazism at some point, from the EU, to misplaced apostrophes. Is it reasonable to compare Israel with other land grabs, such as Russia in the Donbass, or to use an older example the enclave of Kaliningrad? Perhaps comparing to the USA vs the Sioux, or the British in Rhodesia or Kenya?
Just because something happens a lot doesn't make it right especially when there is a history of historic abuse.
Would you call a black person the n-word? Or would you not do so due to the historical connotations and how offensive it is.
After what the Jews went through at the hands of the Nazis calling a Jew a Nazi is akin to using the n-word against a black person. They are extraordinarily offensive.
The fact you might call your white friend the n-word too doesn't make it more OK to use it with those to whom it is so offensive for historic reasons.
Ummm: I don't think you can compare "nigger" and "nazi" like that.
"Nigger" refers to something a person could not change: their physical being. "Nazi" refers to a set of beliefs a person has.
Furthermore, the set of beliefs are specific. So, if a Jewish person went around demanding Lebensraum in the Middle East, and suggested gassing Palestinians - as they were Untermensch - to get them out the way, then I think it would be perfectly acceptable to compare them to a Nazi.
So is it reasonable to compare this Israeli politician to a Nazi?
The Labour Party is completely and utterly broken. What we have today is two tribes that hate each other. There is almost no way back. Certainly none under this leader.
And yet bobbing along at 38-40% in polls.
It is beyond me.
People who hate the Tories more than anything else.
Yes it's easy to forget that there remains a significant rump that actively loathes the baby-eating Tories. We have all been diverted because for the past 18 months or so they have simply been incompetent, rather than nasty.
To be scrupulously fair I think that amongst all the incompetence they've still managed some reflexive spurts of nastiness.
On the Express story, it looks more like the underemployed but ambitious playing soldiers, with a few who have largely checked out of parliamentary plotting but hold an interest in what emerges next on the centre-left. Kinnock and Leslie are two of the last people you'd choose to front an insurgent anti-Corbynista force. Chuka has looked much better now he has a passionate cause - pro-EU activism - but that's part of the problem - if he is to emerge it has to be relatively organic. Kendall;s politics aren't going to be en vogue for a while yet.
It's not often commented on but building a new party or taking back Labour essentially requires the same thing. You have to build a movement around a definable cause that resonates on the left. For Corbyn it was anti-austerity that made people overlook his many flaws. You'd say there's potential in pro-EU internationalism, but it needs to combine with a story about creating a brighter future for people who've got tired of the squeeze and lost a lot of hope in bettering themselves. So measures to turn the north west into a dynamic place for businesses to thrive, infrastructure, boost adult education rather than aaxing tuition fees mirroring the creation of the Open University etc...Big ideas. Essentially you have to win over some of the same people.
Think Stella Creasy would be a strong candidate. Female, and unlike some on the right of the party has obvious achievements to point to.
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
Daily Mail readers loved his comments judging by the remarks below the line, Corbyn and Boris may not speak to PC upper middle class wealthy liberal centrists but their left wing socialist and rightwing pro Brexit base love them
The Labour Party is completely and utterly broken. What we have today is two tribes that hate each other. There is almost no way back. Certainly none under this leader.
And yet bobbing along at 38-40% in polls.
It is beyond me.
People who hate the Tories more than anything else.
Yes it's easy to forget that there remains a significant rump that actively loathes the baby-eating Tories. We have all been diverted because for the past 18 months or so they have simply been incompetent, rather than nasty.
To be scrupulously fair I think that amongst all the incompetence they've still managed some reflexive spurts of nastiness.
Oh. I was slightly luxuriating in the not nasty just useless tag.
The Labour Party is completely and utterly broken. What we have today is two tribes that hate each other. There is almost no way back. Certainly none under this leader.
And yet bobbing along at 38-40% in polls.
It is beyond me.
People who hate the Tories more than anything else.
Yes it's easy to forget that there remains a significant rump that actively loathes the baby-eating Tories. We have all been diverted because for the past 18 months or so they have simply been incompetent, rather than nasty.
To be scrupulously fair I think that amongst all the incompetence they've still managed some reflexive spurts of nastiness.
Oh. I was slightly luxuriating in the not nasty just useless tag.
Apparently YouGov shows that 24% of people would vote for a nasty party and 38% would vote for a useless party so if they strike the right balance they can't lose.
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
Daily Mail readers loved his comments judging by the remarks below the line, Corbyn and Boris may not speak to PC upper middle class wealthy liberal centrists but their left wing socialist and rightwing pro Brexit base love them
Erm. Boris was writing for the Daily Telegraph.
There were 4600 comments on this Daily Mail report on Boris' article
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
Daily Mail readers loved his comments judging by the remarks below the line, Corbyn and Boris may not speak to PC upper middle class wealthy liberal centrists but their left wing socialist and rightwing pro Brexit base love them
Erm. Boris was writing for the Daily Telegraph.
There were 4600 comments on this Daily Mail report on Boris' article
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
Daily Mail readers loved his comments judging by the remarks below the line, Corbyn and Boris may not speak to PC upper middle class wealthy liberal centrists but their left wing socialist and rightwing pro Brexit base love them
Erm. Boris was writing for the Daily Telegraph.
There were 4600 comments on this Daily Mail report on Boris' article
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
Daily Mail readers loved his comments judging by the remarks below the line, Corbyn and Boris may not speak to PC upper middle class wealthy liberal centrists but their left wing socialist and rightwing pro Brexit base love them
Erm. Boris was writing for the Daily Telegraph.
There were 4600 comments on this Daily Mail report on Boris' article
Below the line comments are a hotbed of Russian troll activity.
Is everything down to Russian trolls now - maybe it might just reflect what a lot of British people think even if you disapprove including many remain voters.
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
Daily Mail readers loved his comments judging by the remarks below the line, Corbyn and Boris may not speak to PC upper middle class wealthy liberal centrists but their left wing socialist and rightwing pro Brexit base love them
The Labour Party is completely and utterly broken. What we have today is two tribes that hate each other. There is almost no way back. Certainly none under this leader.
And yet bobbing along at 38-40% in polls.
It is beyond me.
People who hate the Tories more than anything else.
Polling from the last election showed only around 20% (within a few percent) voted Labour for anti Tory reasons. It seems unlikely that figure would have changed massively.
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
Daily Mail readers loved his comments judging by the remarks below the line, Corbyn and Boris may not speak to PC upper middle class wealthy liberal centrists but their left wing socialist and rightwing pro Brexit base love them
Erm. Boris was writing for the Daily Telegraph.
There were 4600 comments on this Daily Mail report on Boris' article
I can't see how Boris can ever be PM after his ridiculous comments today. Totally unstatesmanlike.
Daily Mail readers loved his comments judging by the remarks below the line, Corbyn and Boris may not speak to PC upper middle class wealthy liberal centrists but their left wing socialist and rightwing pro Brexit base love them
Hence neither of them is fit.
But at the moment they are what we will likely to have choose between at the next general election unless you cop out and vote LD
This was predictable and the Labour party hierarchy has at last stopped digging, on this front at least. But there will be other pratfalls.
The Corbyn/Mcdonnell/Momentum/Unite coalition seems to be splintering further as the infighting amongst them grows as the various factions pursue their own agendas. Following Tom Watson's intervention this week, the cynic in me suspects that he has finally been forced to come out fighting as there is now a serious attempt under way to try and change the rule at the Labour Conference to make it far easier to oust him as Deputy Leader after keeping his head down since the last failed coup against Corbyn.
Are we finally going to see a push back from key moderates from within the party, or could we see see some jump ship as a group by resigning the Labour whip to further undermine Corbyn's leadership? I cannot see a Mcdonnell Leadership being any more palatable or unifying to moderate Labour MPs?
Re that Express story, I don’t see how only 12 - 20 MPs breaking away at some point (whenever it is) will enable moderates to ‘take back control of the Labour Party.’ In the event that they break away after a hypothetical GE win, depending on how things go Corbyn would likely just want to do a deal with the SNP. Moderates only shot is to find a candidate the membership like and challenge Corbyn again in a leadership contest. And even that seems unlikely.
If in the unlikely event Corbyn was able to get the SNP on board with such a deal, the likely price the SNP would demand would prove to be utterly toxic for the Scottish Labour party at Holyrood & Westminster in the longer term.
Unlike the current Labour party under Corbyn, the 'silent majority' of pragmatic moderates in the Conservative Westminster party still hold far more power when it comes to deciding a Leaders departure date.
One of Britain’s most prestigious law firms has banned the use of “Dear sirs” from all of its legal documents and communications, apparently the first of the “magic circle” of top City legal companies to do so.
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer has stopped using the phrase from this weekend. In the UK the firm will now address all communications to “Dear Sir or Madam”, while in the US all correspondence will start with “Dear Ladies and Gentlemen”. Equivalents in Cantonese, Mandarin and European languages have also been agreed across Freshfields’ global network https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/17/equality-womens-rights-gender-law
Will they be adopting the full internationally recognized definition of antisemitism now?
They have already, it is the illustrative examples that Labour currently differ on, notably defining it as anti-semitic to compare Nazi Germany and Israel.
I agree that to do so is fatuous, factually wrong and deliberately insulting, but is it inevitably anti-semitic? After all, nearly everything on the internet gets to be compared with Nazism at some point, from the EU, to misplaced apostrophes. Is it reasonable to compare Israel with other land grabs, such as Russia in the Donbass, or to use an older example the enclave of Kaliningrad? Perhaps comparing to the USA vs the Sioux, or the British in Rhodesia or Kenya?
I think some would argue that the "full definition" is not the definition per se, but the definition plus all the illustrative examples. I can certainly see the logic of arguing either point of view, but the optics of non-Jews telling Jews which is the better are just plain bad.
One of Britain’s most prestigious law firms has banned the use of “Dear sirs” from all of its legal documents and communications, apparently the first of the “magic circle” of top City legal companies to do so.
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer has stopped using the phrase from this weekend. In the UK the firm will now address all communications to “Dear Sir or Madam”, while in the US all correspondence will start with “Dear Ladies and Gentlemen”. Equivalents in Cantonese, Mandarin and European languages have also been agreed across Freshfields’ global network https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/17/equality-womens-rights-gender-law
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer sound very, um, you know.
One of Britain’s most prestigious law firms has banned the use of “Dear sirs” from all of its legal documents and communications, apparently the first of the “magic circle” of top City legal companies to do so.
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer has stopped using the phrase from this weekend. In the UK the firm will now address all communications to “Dear Sir or Madam”, while in the US all correspondence will start with “Dear Ladies and Gentlemen”. Equivalents in Cantonese, Mandarin and European languages have also been agreed across Freshfields’ global network https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/17/equality-womens-rights-gender-law
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer sound very, um, you know.
One of Sean T's ex-girlfriends. She has a Fiat 500 and perfect teeth, and has never knowingly spoken to a poor person. She left him but he got over it.
Will they be adopting the full internationally recognized definition of antisemitism now?
They have already, it is the illustrative examples that Labour currently differ on, notably defining it as anti-semitic to compare Nazi Germany and Israel.
I agree that to do so is fatuous, factually wrong and deliberately insulting, but is it inevitably anti-semitic? After all, nearly everything on the internet gets to be compared with Nazism at some point, from the EU, to misplaced apostrophes. Is it reasonable to compare Israel with other land grabs, such as Russia in the Donbass, or to use an older example the enclave of Kaliningrad? Perhaps comparing to the USA vs the Sioux, or the British in Rhodesia or Kenya?
You’ve been around long enough to know it’s perceptions that matter.
Why did Labour dig their heels in on this point?
If it unimportant then why change it? If it is important than why did they change it?
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And couldn't one argue that Burqas are Unislamic, given that Allah (SWT) in His Inifinite Wisdom willed us to be born stark-raving naked?
It's not often commented on but building a new party or taking back Labour essentially requires the same thing. You have to build a movement around a definable cause that resonates on the left. For Corbyn it was anti-austerity that made people overlook his many flaws. You'd say there's potential in pro-EU internationalism, but it needs to combine with a story about creating a brighter future for people who've got tired of the squeeze and lost a lot of hope in bettering themselves. So measures to turn the north west into a dynamic place for businesses to thrive, infrastructure, boost adult education rather than aaxing tuition fees mirroring the creation of the Open University etc...Big ideas. Essentially you have to win over some of the same people.
Think Stella Creasy would be a strong candidate. Female, and unlike some on the right of the party has obvious achievements to point to.
..Dear Sirs, "
Not noticed that one!
Still, perhaps they were addressing the real power brokers - Milne and Len?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6030927/Boris-Johnson-says-burka-makes-women-look-like-bank-robbers-letter-boxes.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz0TA9MWiJg
I am surprised the Mail allowed comments though.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/08/31/majority-public-backs-burka-ban/
Sarkozy's poll rating in France went up when and his centre right majority in the National Assembly banned the full veil in 2011
Are we finally going to see a push back from key moderates from within the party, or could we see see some jump ship as a group by resigning the Labour whip to further undermine Corbyn's leadership? I cannot see a Mcdonnell Leadership being any more palatable or unifying to moderate Labour MPs?
https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1025361724822749184
https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1025361728035536899
https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1025361731210629122
https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1025361734478049280
https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1025361737950871552
One of Britain’s most prestigious law firms has banned the use of “Dear sirs” from all of its legal documents and communications, apparently the first of the “magic circle” of top City legal companies to do so.
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer has stopped using the phrase from this weekend. In the UK the firm will now address all communications to “Dear Sir or Madam”, while in the US all correspondence will start with “Dear Ladies and Gentlemen”. Equivalents in Cantonese, Mandarin and European languages have also been agreed across Freshfields’ global network
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/17/equality-womens-rights-gender-law
Why did Labour dig their heels in on this point?
If it unimportant then why change it? If it is important than why did they change it?