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As the issue rolls on and on, do you just want #Brexit to be finished? From yesterday's @BBCWestminHour with @EllieJPrice, six out of ten agreed that they no longer care how or when we leave – they just want it over and done with. That rises to three quarters of leavers. pic.twitter.com/JJGUcbfdN7
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Tell that to the Remainiacs......for most voters if she genuinely ends freedom of movement I suspect it will be good enough whatever UKIP and UKIP-in-exile-on-the-Tory-benches say.....
Although that does somewhat capture the essence of his last tilt at the leadership.
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1028294942450479105
61,000 followers, FFS.
After BINO one of these sentences will be true:
"The United Kingdom has remained a member of the European Union".
"The United Kingdom has left the European Union".
Which one?
One of the objectives of a government is to achieve economic stability - and the swivel eyed loons can be ignored. Nowhere in the referendum campaign were we offered a return to a 1950s version of North Korea - but that is where JRM wants us to go.
Whether an in name only leave would satisfy the public on the other hand, is very much different, and that is where we get into what would satisfy the feeling behind the majority who voted leave. And it is there that perhaps in the short term, due to exhaustion, in name only could get through (though I doubt it) but would store up a lot of problems for the future - there are a great many who will understandably not be happy with it being in name only, it not being what was expected or promised.
Although I wonder who in other EU capitals would be baying for Juncker's blood if he did....
That is slightly different to these accounts that make a big play on just being an ordinary member of the public, war hero or working mum into baking etc, when neither are.
Leaving the EU whatever the flavour is leaving the EU.
Norway isn't a member of the EU for example.
BINO is just another exercise in can kicking, having spent two years failing to adequately prepare while letting the EU side run the negotiations as they wish. As a minimum there needs to be a clear roadmap agreed whereby we diverge over time to minimise disruption.
We will find out how many will be happy with mostly symbolic and a few symbolic changes I guess. (Assuming we get that far)
It didn't offer a range of leaving outcomes so we are all stuck with whatever the government can negotiate. Both EEA and No Deal would be Brexit and would honour the referendum result.
It's a refrain we have heard time and again from people whose ignorance of the process is understandable if worrying. I met people during the Referendum campaign who genuinely believed we would be out at noon on June 24th 2016 if we voted LEAVE.
Had Cameron instigated A50 on the Friday morning after the Referendum, we would be out by now.
The truth is with the political, economic and legal complexities in place, we will still effectively be in the EU on December 31st 2020 so that will be four and a half years after the initial vote.
I am curious by this much-trumpeted (in the Mail so it must be true) notion we will be able to remain in the SM (which will please many) and still not sign up to full FoM. That seems to drive a coach and horses through the notion of the indivisibility of the Four Freedoms and of course if the UK wants it, why not Sweden, Italy, Spain or Germany?
The delinking of the free movement of capital from the free movement of labour is a huge move (if true) by the EU and I'm sceptical.
The quid pro quo for such an arrangement would kill any notion of "Global Britain" stone dead and clearly politics is at work - May knows she cannot sell any deal which maintains FoM but continued membership of the SM offers the smallest economic dislocation. It's obviously the deal she thinks can be sold to the British people - control (to be defined) over the borders but in most other respects a capitulation of Munich-style proportions to Barnier.
Bairstow not far behind either.
A suggestion which I think would satisfy a lot of Leave voters is only letting people move here if they have already secured a job here. My guess would be this would mean a significant cut in immigration numbers, especially at the lower end of the employment/"skills" market, since it will be hardly be worth it even advertising some of those jobs overseas in the first place. Whether the EU would be amenable to such a suggestion is a whole different question, of course.
The rest of the electorate will have moved on, as will the Tory and Labour leaderships
Then let's have a go at India late in the day. They'll hate it!
May is slowly and cleverly killing the diehard Remainers much as she has killed the diehard hard Brexiteers. The fact even 42% of Labour Remain voters just want Brexit over with is astonishing and means a majority of Labour voters will in the end accept Brexit given almost a third of Labour voters voted Leave anyway.
Diehard Remainers and those who want to completely reverse Brexit and go back to the EU above all else can therefore eventually just be shoved in the LDs
"Given that we can't get from here to there without things coming to a head politically, that puts Remainers in the driving seat."
You're obviously a glass a sixth full kind of fellow.
The majority want it to be over, not dragged out until your fingernails are finally prised from the rotting corpse of your believed EU.
Provided the Chequers Deal gets through opposition to Brexit will come from a few fanatics like you in the LDs who instead of transpotting have as their main hobby getting the UK into a Federal EU
1. People who want Brexit at all costs, no matter what the deal or no deal might be.
2. People who are bored by the whole issue and just want to it done with.
An interesting further question would be the same wordimg, but with "how or when" replaced by "whether". That would separate out group 2.
The Israelites are sick of being bossed around by the Egyptians. Then Moses comes to them with a plan to leave Egypt, which he’s got from a burning bush. Or perhaps it’s a burning bus, with a large monetary figure written on the side. Whatever.
Moses tells them it’s all going to be great, they’re going to be going to a land flowing with milk and honey, so they set off across the desert. Eventually they turn up in the promised land, which turns out to be yet another rather scrubby piece of desert, and Moses tells them that he’s just going off to negotiate terms for them. Off he goes for forty days and nights, and while he’s gone, the Israelites get very excited about all the new deals they’ll be able to do in future, and make themselves an effigy of a golden calf (probably they expected a bull market).
Eventually, Moses returns and tells them they’re going to have to get rid of the golden calf. He’s got a deal, of a sort, but actually, it’s all a set of rules about things they’re not allowed to do, and, by the way, they’re not allowed to question the rules either.
Still, at least they got away from those bloody foreigners bossing them around, didn’t they?
Ah well, at least the cricket's going OK.
1.33 Eng
4.2 Draw
120(!) Ind
Off for bad light now though, we should really have declared when Bairstow got out.
Assuming a deal is reached (which it almost definitely will) then groups 1 and 2 are basically the same: Let's just get on with it and talk about something else for a while.
That confirms diehard Remainers are already starting to congregate in the LDs as the main focal point of opposition to Brexit
But Chequers, or some variant on that, is a lot less 'BINO' than EFTA/EEA - as it ends FoM and does not include the Single Market in Services. It is, in other words, Switzerland Minus.
Whatever I campaigned for before the referendum, I now believe that it is important that FoM is ended in order to honour result. I have no issue with it being relatively seamless for people with guaranteed jobs from the EU to come over here and work, but I do think long 'fishing' excercises and/or welfare shopping should be ended.
The Chequers Deal has already been amended under pressure from the ERG and has cost two Cabinet Ministers so if the EU throw it out completely it's a one-way journey to No Deal exit next March.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/
So with 72% of Tories now saying we were right to Leave ie 11% up on 2016 you are certainly correct to say the Tories have become more pro Leave since the EU referendum.
Given 81% of LDs now say we were wrong to Leave ie 13% up on 2016 you can also say the LDs have become significantly even more pro Remain since 2016.
However 73% of Labour voters now say we were wrong to Leave ie just 8% up on the number who voted Remain in 2016, so the least movement post referendum to either Leave or Remain has come in Labour
It's a half way house that screws over small fund managers like my old firm (in that we had big French and Norwegian retail businesses, but no EEA domiciled entity), but keeps the big boys largely in London.