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Similarly the more Anglo Catholic Anglican Church that emerged under Henry VIII and Elizabeth 1st ended up being a middle ground between those Catholics who wanted to reverse the Reformation and remain loyal to Rome and more radical nonconformist Protestants who wanted to complete the Lutheran rebellion in England and Wales
I wonder who in this parable would be her cousin, rival and pretender to the throne Mary or the ill-fated Lord Darnley etc
Either way I suspect Tess will reign for considerably less time than the 45 years of Bess.
That'd be tough though, after all, even the CoE agree that the EU is the greatest dream realised for human beings since the fall of the western Roman Empire.
Am glad my brilliant historical analogies are having an influence on PBers.
Excellent photoshop work by Pulpstar.
As ever Anglican clergy are more left liberal than their congregation
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2016/0531/Why-do-Anglicans-lean-pro-Brexit-while-atheists-favor-Remain
Incidentally, a rumoured reason for Tony Blair converting to Catholicism was that he was positioning himself to become President of the European Council.
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1031137899142631424
Thanks for the thread, Richard.
Of the West European nations outside the EU, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and soon the UK all are Protestant majority and same goes for Sweden and Denmark who are outside the Eurozone.
Wasn't Elizabeth I famous for sealing the separation from a meddlesome and overweening European power, and for seeing off further continental interference in the forms (respectively) of the Pope and the Spanish Armada?
We'll see, but I fear this will prove optimistic. The fault line over the EU may well persist as long as the iconoclasm of the Eastern Roman Empire.
There was a little local difficulty with Scotland, and even more so in Ireland, the crown passed to Scotland and the Stuart Kings moved even further to Protestantism in name only, before being deposed and executed. After a century of internal conflict, occasionally breaking out into civil war, Britain became ruled by Dutch then German dynasties.Not a good omen!
Perhaps Tess is really Henry VIII, wanting a break with Catholicism for internal political reasons rather than true conviction. Ironically this makes JRM become Thomas Cromwell pursuing a more radical split.
A reasonable starting point would have been for all those pro EU/UK types to admit that their 'vote No to stay in the EU' stuff may have been misjudged. Nothing abject, just that they were wrong, let's try and fix it.
It was simply - as the Anglicans profess today - a Catholic Church but not a Roman Catholic Church
Edited extra bit: out of the UK *and* the EU.
Elizabeth had many outstanding qualities (unlike poor old May), but I am sure she was a "bloody difficult woman" to cope with from the point of view of her councillors (as indeed was Mary Stuart) .
Elizabeth was able to hold the country together - but the underlying problem was only left to simmer, unless it boiled up again under the disastrous Stuarts - though the question was somewhat redefined by then.
So to speak.
There will be another on the EU within a decade or so, possibly even very soon.
The misconception is that referendums resolve stuff; whether down to close results, lies/false promises made by either side or no one having a fucking clue about what they were actually voting for, more often than not the 'stuff' will crop up again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqqcl21Ur-c
Another curious parallel between the Elizabethan age and today is that, in order to compensate for the reduced trade with Catholic Europe, Elizabeth's government spent a lot of effort trying to set up links elsewhere. This is brilliantly explored in this book, which I greatly recommend (it's full of fascinating stories about the official and unofficial adventurers, some of them real shysters, who tried to set up trade deals with the Islamic world):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/This-Orient-Isle-Elizabethan-England/dp/0241004020
Edit. We lost 5. Still haven’t avoided the follow-on.
We're building an impenetrable concrete dome, and the Thals are gonna pay for it!
Mr. Nabavi, haven't read that, but if anyone wants a more general sort of everyman's history, Ian Mortimer's Time Traveller's Guide to Elizabethan England is very good indeed.
There’s huge value in that 1.2.
Edit. At least we avoided the follow on.
About as proud a boast as "No deal brexit averted!!"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/28277458
I can’t stand the bloody yapping things, but their owner does have a very well stocked cellar and a 70” TV
A medium-sized dog is a nice compromise. And I like border collies. My first dog (cross-breed) lived to be nearly 17.
Edited extra bit: Mr. Viewcode, one aims to please.
Shortest-lived dogs: Bernese Mountain Dog, Great Dane, French Mastiff, Irish Wolfhound.
Longest-lived dogs: rat-dogChihuahua, Yorkie
Hat, coat, taxi for one.
If you think another EU referendum would settle anything see the latest Deltapoll
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1031188248754900992
Thanks to Richard N for the thread.
Like most analogies, it doesn't stand up to anything approaching inspection - May survives because of two factors - first, Corbyn, who holds her party together as the Bogeyman or if we're going to play Elizabethan analogies, the threat of Catholic Spain invading and destroying English Protestant supremacy.
Second, she's the only game in town. Her principal advisers, were they to ascend the throne, would incite rebellion or yield support to Philip (that's the King of Spain, not Mr May). At the moment, England survives with her in charge but if it looks as though the Spanish will land in Margate and advance on London, she'll be removed.
As I've said here many times, politics is frozen in situ while Corbyn remains Labour leader. Short of a schism (and those with long memories will recall there was plenty of scepticism about the likelihood of an SDP in 1980), nothing changes until he goes.
He is regarded as the Devil incarnate by a substantial bloc of voters and as the Messiah by a smaller but still substantial bloc. More accurately, if you believe the Labour model for Britain is flawed and will lead us to penury, you stick with the Tories. If you believe the Conservative model for Britain is flawed and will lead us to penury, you stick with Corbyn.
It was the same with Thatcher and Foot in 1980-1 and indeed for a while it looked as though the main schism might come on the Conservative side with the likes of Prior, Walker and Gilmour defecting.
I've just read your comment on India's first innings score and how it isn't too daunting.
If that is a sample of your influence, could you please not comment on cricket?!
Academics say the waste produced is responsible for nearly 1,000 kilotons of greenhouse gas emissions but that Brexit may offer the UK the chance to develop a new approach.
The team at Edinburgh University claims to have estimated for the first time the quantity of fruit and vegetables lost and emissions produced in the UK and Europe due to “quality” controls of the European Commission and stores with a large market share. '
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/third-of-food-wasted-as-its-too-ugly-for-eu-and-shops-rhk6b3mpm
A similar story on the BBC:
' More than a third of farmed fruit and vegetables never reaches supermarket shelves because it is misshapen or the wrong size, according to new research.
A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year. '
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732
Worth remembering when some farmer who wont off fair pay and conditions wails that crops are going unharvested.
And puts a new perspective on the foodbank issue.
Leicester dropped points there last week. We are a young team and making mistakes, but very good at times yesterday vs Wolves. Only 3 starters from the PL winning side yesterday, and of those only Kasper finished on the pitch. Mid table this season for us, but Puel is shaping a good team.
http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/polls/brext-chequers-may-conservatives