In another universe, Clegg didn’t enter a coalition in 2010. After the failure of the 2011-2016 Tory govt, Cleggs Lib-Lab coalition are taking us into the Euro.
That seems to be the question Vince Cable is asking too. Hence his plan.
Not much of a plan, is it? We're shit and we need to parachute some fecker in who can actually engage with the public and come up with something that doesn't involve us chewing off the EU?
I suspect Cable is hoping for a Macron. You can select from the current crop of MPs. To be fair they are decent pavement politicians. Getting elected as a Lib Dem MP is hard work when the natural order is one of the main parties. They are good at potholes but so much on the bigger picture. Heather remains firmly unalight. So you find someone able to articulate an idea that can resonate.and bring new people in. There are plenty reasons why this might not work, aired on his forum. The Devils Advocate would say, what's to lose?
Macron came from the governing party where he was a popular minister in an unpopular administration. Not sure we have a Macron.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
It went out the window when after the vote leavers were call thick, racist northerners. All this by so called "centre" parties full of moderates.
Centre party is code for I want my sort of politics (socially liberal, internationalist and economically moderate) to win with a peer group (middle class, professional and educated) that I feel comfortable with.
I get that but if you want to win an election you need to reach out to all voters.
Treating them with respect and engaging with them sincerely to find solutions to their concerns is a good start.
In another universe, Clegg didn’t enter a coalition in 2010. After the failure of the 2011-2016 Tory govt, Cleggs Lib-Lab coalition are taking us into the Euro.
That seems to be the question Vince Cable is asking too. Hence his plan.
Not much of a plan, is it? We're shit and we need to parachute some fecker in who can actually engage with the public and come up with something that doesn't involve us chewing off the EU?
I suspect Cable is hoping for a Macron. You can select from the current crop of MPs. To be fair they are decent pavement politicians. Getting elected as a Lib Dem MP is hard work when the natural order is one of the main parties. They are good at potholes but so much on the bigger picture. Heather remains firmly unalight. So you find someone able to articulate an idea that can resonate.and bring new people in. There are plenty reasons why this might not work, aired on his forum. The Devils Advocate would say, what's to lose?
Macron came from the governing party where he was a popular minister in an unpopular administration. Not sure we have a Macron.
And is now very unpopular.
It is amazing how fast his star has fallen
To be fair, I'm not sure the French like anyone.
I'm sitting here drinking English sparkling wine (Chapel Down) and it's beautiful. Nicer than several French champagnes I've tried.
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
When moderate parties fail to address problems for decades, then parts of the electorate turn to extreme parties.
There is no point in forming a moderate party that will do nothing. Any moderate party has to have ideas on how tackle e.g., intergenerational unfairness or increasing wealth inequality or costs of social care.
My belief is that the time for moderate parties may be over in the West for a while. Moderate parties work best when economic and political circumstances are benign. & only gradual change is needed.
When substantial change is needed, moderate parties are no good. They are not able to take unpopular decisions.
Saw a report this morning attacking jet air hand dryers as they spread more germs and bacteria than using paper towels. There is a call to ban them from all hospitals
In another universe, Clegg didn’t enter a coalition in 2010. After the failure of the 2011-2016 Tory govt, Cleggs Lib-Lab coalition are taking us into the Euro.
That seems to be the question Vince Cable is asking too. Hence his plan.
Not much of a plan, is it? We're shit and we need to parachute some fecker in who can actually engage with the public and come up with something that doesn't involve us chewing off the EU?
I suspect Cable is hoping for a Macron. You can select from the current crop of MPs. To be fair they are decent pavement politicians. Getting elected as a Lib Dem MP is hard work when the natural order is one of the main parties. They are good at potholes but so much on the bigger picture. Heather remains firmly unalight. So you find someone able to articulate an idea that can resonate.and bring new people in. There are plenty reasons why this might not work, aired on his forum. The Devils Advocate would say, what's to lose?
Macron came from the governing party where he was a popular minister in an unpopular administration. Not sure we have a Macron.
And is now very unpopular.
In the French 2 round system, that is often the way. As long as a candidate is in the top 2, they stand a good chance, even if their popularity is 20%.
I think only France are probably a stronger side than Belgium at the moment, they're stacked.
Now 0 - 4
And on the subject of Scotland wth some thinking labour are in with a chance (not me) the conservatives took a seat from labour last night in Inverkeithing (Gordon Browns backyard)
In another universe, Clegg didn’t enter a coalition in 2010. After the failure of the 2011-2016 Tory govt, Cleggs Lib-Lab coalition are taking us into the Euro.
That seems to be the question Vince Cable is asking too. Hence his plan.
Not much of a plan, is it? We're shit and we need to parachute some fecker in who can actually engage with the public and come up with something that doesn't involve us chewing off the EU?
I suspect Cable is hoping for a Macron. You can select from the current crop of MPs. To be fair they are decent pavement politicians. Getting elected as a Lib Dem MP is hard work when the natural order is one of the main parties. They are good at potholes but so much on the bigger picture. Heather remains firmly unalight. So you find someone able to articulate an idea that can resonate.and bring new people in. There are plenty reasons why this might not work, aired on his forum. The Devils Advocate would say, what's to lose?
Macron came from the governing party where he was a popular minister in an unpopular administration. Not sure we have a Macron.
And is now very unpopular.
It is amazing how fast his star has fallen
To be fair, I'm not sure the French like anyone.
I'm sitting here drinking English sparkling wine (Chapel Down) and it's beautiful. Nicer than several French champagnes I've tried.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
When moderate parties fail to address problems for decades, then parts of the electorate turn to extreme parties.
There is no point in forming a moderate party that will do nothing. Any moderate party has to have ideas on how tackle e.g., intergenerational unfairness or increasing wealth inequality or costs of social care.
My belief is that the time for moderate parties may be over in the West for a while. Moderate parties work best when economic and political circumstances are benign. & only gradual change is needed.
When substantial change is needed, moderate parties are no good. They are not able to take unpopular decisions.
My view is that for the foreseeable future moderate parties have very little chance. The electorate seems to want radical solutions. Corbyn, Brexit. Not surprising seeing as the moderate parties have produced lots of failed wars, financial collapse, massive changes in society and the complete loading of their own and their families and mates pockets with geld.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
When moderate parties fail to address problems for decades, then parts of the electorate turn to extreme parties.
There is no point in forming a moderate party that will do nothing. Any moderate party has to have ideas on how tackle e.g., intergenerational unfairness or increasing wealth inequality or costs of social care.
My belief is that the time for moderate parties may be over in the West for a while. Moderate parties work best when economic and political circumstances are benign. & only gradual change is needed.
When substantial change is needed, moderate parties are no good. They are not able to take unpopular decisions.
My view is that for the foreseeable future moderate parties have very little chance. The electorate seems to want radical solutions. Corbyn, Brexit. Not surprising seeing as the moderate parties have produced lots of failed wars, financial collapse, massive changes in society and the complete loading of their own and their families and mates pockets with geld.
Very close to my own reading of the situation.
If you don’t fix a problem like housing or social care or intergenerational fairness for decades, eventually a large portion of the electorate decides to give someone else the chance to fix the problem.
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).
I think you have to look at what Cable is saying in a wider context.
Several senior MPs have this summer mentioned a period of National Government being the only way out of the Brexit Malaise and the extremist take over of the Labour party. Nicholas Soames and Mike Gapes have even mentioned it on the floor of the H of C.
I think Cable might well be positioning the Lib Dems a survival strategy as surely the Lib Dem MPs would take part in any National Government. If all Lib Dem MPs were involved in a Government of National unity, then someone needs to lead the non parliamentary party!
The scenario is as follows, the PM cannot get Chequers through parliament. The Tory Brexiteers launch a leadership contest. The PM invites dissident moderate Labour MPs and the Lib Dems into Government. She then calls an election whereby moderate Tories, Labour and all LD are all under the Coupon of National Government candidates. The central theme of the National Government ticket is to maintain the UK in the EU and to retract Article 50 should she win. If this scenario did occur, what would the Brexiteers do such as Johnson, Fox and Rees - Mogg. Would they risk defeat under a non National banner? I suspect Johnson would rather be pissing inside the tent than outside and Fox likes being in power hence his non resignation this summer! Just saying, the above scenario is a possibility and we should not judge Cable today as being anything other than intelligent given the wider context.
In another universe, Clegg didn’t enter a coalition in 2010. After the failure of the 2011-2016 Tory govt, Cleggs Lib-Lab coalition are taking us into the Euro.
That seems to be the question Vince Cable is asking too. Hence his plan.
Not much of a plan, is it? We're shit and we need to parachute some fecker in who can actually engage with the public and come up with something that doesn't involve us chewing off the EU?
I suspect Cable is hoping for a Macron. You can select from the current crop of MPs. To be fair they are decent pavement politicians. Getting elected as a Lib Dem MP is hard work when the natural order is one of the main parties. They are good at potholes but so much on the bigger picture. Heather remains firmly unalight. So you find someone able to articulate an idea that can resonate.and bring new people in. There are plenty reasons why this might not work, aired on his forum. The Devils Advocate would say, what's to lose?
Macron came from the governing party where he was a popular minister in an unpopular administration. Not sure we have a Macron.
And is now very unpopular.
These things are relative. Emanuel Macron is a little less unpopular than Theresa May and a lot less unpopular than Jeremy Corbyn.
In another universe, Clegg didn’t enter a coalition in 2010. After the failure of the 2011-2016 Tory govt, Cleggs Lib-Lab coalition are taking us into the Euro.
And a Boris or Davis led Tories win a landslide in 2015
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).
I am a big fan of Musk, and I said the other day his get shit done attitude is fantastic. But man oh man, he didn't come off "a bit weird", he was a combination of f##king bonkers and weirdly unable to understand / answer simple questions
e.g. Rogan said man you have all these companies, how do you find the time to manage it all.
Which to most normal people the answer would then go down a path of telling you something about their daily / weekly schedule and also informing Rogan that a lot of things are delegated. I think over the 3hrs, he asked this question, with slightly different spins 3-4 times and each time Musk just didn't get what he was asking for and the conversation descended into really weird directions that were totally unrelated.
So Labour MPs escape they create a centrist party with the Lib Dem’s. It does exceptionally well, gets 50-100 seats and holds the balance of power between the two big parties stuck mid 200s.
What next?
Not gonna happen but if it did, probably a coalition with Labour (and the SNP if required) implementing most of Labour's social and economic policies on the condition Corbyn, Milne and co aren't allowed anywhere near No. 10. Would be perfect, in power and you send the cranks into a marginalised frenzy and reunite Labour as a sensible party again.
Well , we can dream, eh?
So exactly the same as staying put, but with less chance of it happening.
As soon as Labour wins power, assuming a small majority, organised backbenchers become very powerful.
Not in Corbyn's Labour. The mob is already powerful and will only get more so. Imagine he does win a narrow election - MPs aren't going to be able to turf him out without being utterly destroyed by the Momentum hordes. Plus, there's the moral question.
To pass laws or do anything you need them to vote for you.
a) The most principled anti-Corbynites will face deselection or being pushed out long before the election - they've already began picking off those they can. Woodcock, via the alleged lack of due process and the leak of a complaint, then Field, and now we have Ryan, Leslie and Shuker targeted for deselection - and how many others to come.
Part of the entire point of Corbynism is to stop Labour acting like a traditional political party - where there are safeguards in place to grant MPs a degree of independence and which doesn't view any deviation as a form of treachery meriting exclusion - and to make one that can be controlled through democratic centralism led by an activist core that will stick to the leadership's line and rigidly enforce it through a party democracy it controls.
MPs won't be able to just Corbyn elected as PM and then repeat his own awkward squad tactics. If they make it that far, it'll be tow the line, support Jez, or we're coming for you. They already are.
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).
Are any of them making a profit, or are they all pyramid schemes?
I can't see the problem with this proposal tbh. Are we worried about legions of extreme centrists?
The Tories should do the same for their leadership contests in the future, after all they have had open primaries for MP positions so why not an open leadership contest with the whole of the population invited to engage? Indeed, in the longer run it could be used to change Conservative voters into Conservative members. Some extremists will engage but if they are open to entryism at the moment from the far right, then opening the franchise completely will stop extremists in their tracks.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
A new centre party?
Wash your mouth out with soap. You're a Conservative Party member.
It is needed to provide opposition. The government needs a functioning opposition
You underestimate the left of the Labour Party, they crave opposition and are very good at ctiticising the government of the day- irrespective of colour. What they do not want is meaningful power, they are not and never want to be a 'government in waiting'. Perpetual opposition offers them power without responsibility. (Apologies to James Curran and Jean Seaton).
Vince's proposals won't get a very warm welcome from much of the party. No one has any problem with the notion of "registered supporters" - indeed, the more active areas probably have good records of "supporters" as defined as those willing to deliver or help but not willing to become members and I'm more than happy for such supporters to be kept informed of local events.
I would absolutely draw the line at non-members being able to choose the leader - it opens the door to the sort of absurd entryism we've seen in both the Labour and Conservative parties where those ill-disposed toward the party seek to influence a leadership election by voting for the individual least suited to lead the party.
I also believe the leader has to be an MP irrespective of how "shallow" the pool of talent may be and I don't agree the LDs are short of talent. I think both Layla Moran and Jo Swinson would make excellent leaders and I really hope we have a contest this time.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
When moderate parties fail to address problems for decades, then parts of the electorate turn to extreme parties.
There is no point in forming a moderate party that will do nothing. Any moderate party has to have ideas on how tackle e.g., intergenerational unfairness or increasing wealth inequality or costs of social care.
My belief is that the time for moderate parties may be over in the West for a while. Moderate parties work best when economic and political circumstances are benign. & only gradual change is needed.
When substantial change is needed, moderate parties are no good. They are not able to take unpopular decisions.
My view is that for the foreseeable future moderate parties have very little chance. The electorate seems to want radical solutions. Corbyn, Brexit. Not surprising seeing as the moderate parties have produced lots of failed wars, financial collapse, massive changes in society and the complete loading of their own and their families and mates pockets with geld.
The problem is that neither of those radical solutions are actually solutions - like all populist projects they're just loudly shouting about (admittedly real) problems and then pointing at people and saying it's their fault, get rid of them, vote for us, we'll solve them. Which is why both will ultimately fail - hopefully before the cost to us is too great.
I can't see the problem with this proposal tbh. Are we worried about legions of extreme centrists?
The Tories should do the same for their leadership contests in the future, after all they have had open primaries for MP positions so why not an open leadership contest with the whole of the population invited to engage? Indeed, in the longer run it could be used to change Conservative voters into Conservative members. Some extremists will engage but if they are open to entryism at the moment from the far right, then opening the franchise completely will stop extremists in their tracks.
Heads up, Hillary smashed him by three million votes.
The electoral college saved him, but that’s rather different.
No it's not. That's like if Liverpool beat Man Utd 4-0 and Mourinho claimed that United smashed Liverpool on possession. It was only goals that saved Liverpool.
Hillary and the DNC ignored the electoral college to their peril. Winning California by over 4 million votes achieved little. Trump targeted midwest blue states with a laser-like focus that got him elected. Had Hillary not neglected those states she'd be in the oval office.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
A new centre party?
Wash your mouth out with soap. You're a Conservative Party member.
It is needed to provide opposition. The government needs a functioning opposition
A functioning government would be a decent start, Big G.
The Government is actually doing a bloody good adminstrative dayjob. And I don't say that lighjtly.
It's just the drama of Brexit is consuming its whole profile, and most of its legislative programme.
Theresa May is just demonstrating why being crap at politics matters. Everyone ends up thinking your whole administration is shite.
That very well may be the case, Casino, but......no matter who seems to be in charge, the country still runs. Now, I grant you, putting me in charge might see an uptick in the quality of the governmental cars/expense accounts/ jaunts to far away luxury resorts expenditure, but I'm sure the Civil Service would keep things ticking.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
When moderate parties fail to address problems for decades, then parts of the electorate turn to extreme parties.
There is no point in forming a moderate party that will do nothing. Any moderate party has to have ideas on how tackle e.g., intergenerational unfairness or increasing wealth inequality or costs of social care.
My belief is that the time for moderate parties may be over in the West for a while. Moderate parties work best when economic and political circumstances are benign. & only gradual change is needed.
When substantial change is needed, moderate parties are no good. They are not able to take unpopular decisions.
My view is that for the foreseeable future moderate parties have very little chance. The electorate seems to want radical solutions. Corbyn, Brexit. Not surprising seeing as the moderate parties have produced lots of failed wars, financial collapse, massive changes in society and the complete loading of their own and their families and mates pockets with geld.
The problem is that neither of those radical solutions are actually solutions - like all populist projects they're just loudly shouting about (admittedly real) problems and then pointing at people and saying it's their fault, get rid of them, vote for us, we'll solve them. Which is why both will ultimately fail - hopefully before the cost to us is too great.
If you don’t want Corbyn or Trump to fix a problem, then it might be a good idea to try and fix it yourself.
Moderate politiciens have only themselves to blame for the rise of Trump or Corbyn.
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
I haven't been able to face listening to the whole thing yet. I'm off alcohol atm, and I fear I might need a drink or five to reach a plain of consciousness where it all makes sense...
I can't see the problem with this proposal tbh. Are we worried about legions of extreme centrists?
The Tories should do the same for their leadership contests in the future, after all they have had open primaries for MP positions so why not an open leadership contest with the whole of the population invited to engage? Indeed, in the longer run it could be used to change Conservative voters into Conservative members. Some extremists will engage but if they are open to entryism at the moment from the far right, then opening the franchise completely will stop extremists in their tracks.
Heads up, Hillary smashed him by three million votes.
The electoral college saved him, but that’s rather different.
No it's not. That's like if Liverpool beat Man Utd 4-0 and Mourinho claimed that United smashed Liverpool on possession. It was only goals that saved Liverpool.
Hillary and the DNC ignored the electoral college to their peril. Winning California by over 4 million votes achieved little. Trump targeted midwest blue states with a laser-like focus that got him elected. Had Hillary not neglected those states she'd be in the oval office.
I think Trump just campaigned where he could draw a crowd, like Corbyn in 2017. The buzz created then carried elsewhere.
Hillary never could work a crowd in the same way, neither could May.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
When moderate parties fail to address problems for decades, then parts of the electorate turn to extreme parties.
There is no point in forming a moderate party that will do nothing. Any moderate party has to have ideas on how tackle e.g., intergenerational unfairness or increasing wealth inequality or costs of social care.
My belief is that the time for moderate parties may be over in the West for a while. Moderate parties work best when economic and political circumstances are benign. & only gradual change is needed.
When substantial change is needed, moderate parties are no good. They are not able to take unpopular decisions.
My view is that for the foreseeable future moderate parties have very little chance. The electorate seems to want radical solutions. Corbyn, Brexit. Not surprising seeing as the moderate parties have produced lots of failed wars, financial collapse, massive changes in society and the complete loading of their own and their families and mates pockets with geld.
The problem is that neither of those radical solutions are actually solutions - like all populist projects they're just loudly shouting about (admittedly real) problems and then pointing at people and saying it's their fault, get rid of them, vote for us, we'll solve them. Which is why both will ultimately fail - hopefully before the cost to us is too great.
If you don’t want Corbyn or Trump to fix a problem, then it might be a good idea to try and fix it yourself.
Moderate politiciens have only themselves to blame for the rise of Trump or Corbyn.
Quite and they still seem to have not understood lying to electorate is a bad strategy, One thing they could learn from Trump is what you say to your electorate on the stump, do.
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three? Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
A new centre party?
Wash your mouth out with soap. You're a Conservative Party member.
It is needed to provide opposition. The government needs a functioning opposition
A functioning government would be a decent start, Big G.
The Government is actually doing a bloody good adminstrative dayjob. And I don't say that lighjtly.
It's just the drama of Brexit is consuming its whole profile, and most of its legislative programme.
Theresa May is just demonstrating why being crap at politics matters. Everyone ends up thinking your whole administration is shite.
That very well may be the case, Casino, but......no matter who seems to be in charge, the country still runs. Now, I grant you, putting me in charge might see an uptick in the quality of the governmental cars/expense accounts/ jaunts to far away luxury resorts expenditure, but I'm sure the Civil Service would keep things ticking.
Actually I think it's more than that.
The problem is the constant 24/7 desire to be seen to "do something". Blair was the worst for it constantly needing new initiatives, new press releases or when that didn't work an annual reshuffle. The problem is that it takes time to bed in what has been done, get used to it, understand it, let it filter through society etc
The constant "must do something" nature of modern politics has tainted it and is against doing a good administrative day job.
I think the government now is doing a good job because of, not despite of, the distraction of Brexit. The distraction of Brexit is meaning that constant fidgeting by press release is getting stymied. Instead of being constantly seen to do something, the government is just concentrating on what it needs to do.
If all governments were so distracted we'd be better off.
Ever since Vince became leader of the LibDems there has been non-stop chatter about the need for a new Centre Party. This suggests that he hasn't been doing a very good job.
To me it looks like he wants to turn what remains of his party into a true NOTA but draped in an EU flag.
Their conference needs to tell him where to get off.
'Go back to your constituencies and prepare for entryism.'
That might actually be the best plan.
Sometimes a business runs out of steam although it ought to have a good prospectus. In those circumstances, being taken over is not necessarily a bad option, if it's by the right people for the right reason. Offering an easy exit for Labour moderates into a ready made alternative with an activist base, canvass data and party structure removes some of the inhibiting factors currently preventing Labour MPs from jumping ship.
Of course, when failing businesses get taken over, a change of name often helps with the relaunch.
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three? Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.
But these feckers are still in charge. What sort of halfwits vote for them?
I can't see the problem with this proposal tbh. Are we worried about legions of extreme centrists?
The Tories should do the same for their leadership contests in the future, after all they have had open primaries for MP positions so why not an open leadership contest with the whole of the population invited to engage? Indeed, in the longer run it could be used to change Conservative voters into Conservative members. Some extremists will engage but if they are open to entryism at the moment from the far right, then opening the franchise completely will stop extremists in their tracks.
Heads up, Hillary smashed him by three million votes.
The electoral college saved him, but that’s rather different.
No it's not. That's like if Liverpool beat Man Utd 4-0 and Mourinho claimed that United smashed Liverpool on possession. It was only goals that saved Liverpool.
Hillary and the DNC ignored the electoral college to their peril. Winning California by over 4 million votes achieved little. Trump targeted midwest blue states with a laser-like focus that got him elected. Had Hillary not neglected those states she'd be in the oval office.
I think Trump just campaigned where he could draw a crowd, like Corbyn in 2017. The buzz created then carried elsewhere.
Hillary never could work a crowd in the same way, neither could May.
In part perhaps, especially early on - but at the end there was a marked difference in the number of ads and campaign visits to the blue states that Trump won 51-49.
I recall reading the Democratic governor of one of those states actually told the Hillary campaign he was worried she was going to lose his state and she still didn't visit it. While Trump repeatedly did.
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
A new centre party?
Wash your mouth out with soap. You're a Conservative Party member.
It is needed to provide opposition. The government needs a functioning opposition
A functioning government would be a decent start, Big G.
The Government is actually doing a bloody good adminstrative dayjob. And I don't say that lighjtly.
It's just the drama of Brexit is consuming its whole profile, and most of its legislative programme.
Theresa May is just demonstrating why being crap at politics matters. Everyone ends up thinking your whole administration is shite.
That very well may be the case, Casino, but......no matter who seems to be in charge, the country still runs. Now, I grant you, putting me in charge might see an uptick in the quality of the governmental cars/expense accounts/ jaunts to far away luxury resorts expenditure, but I'm sure the Civil Service would keep things ticking.
Actually I think it's more than that.
The problem is the constant 24/7 desire to be seen to "do something". Blair was the worst for it constantly needing new initiatives, new press releases or when that didn't work an annual reshuffle. The problem is that it takes time to bed in what has been done, get used to it, understand it, let it filter through society etc
The constant "must do something" nature of modern politics has tainted it and is against doing a good administrative day job.
I think the government now is doing a good job because of, not despite of, the distraction of Brexit. The distraction of Brexit is meaning that constant fidgeting by press release is getting stymied. Instead of being constantly seen to do something, the government is just concentrating on what it needs to do.
If all governments were so distracted we'd be better off.
You're right, a Corbyn endlessly discussing the Nabka would probably let things tick over just fine.
We have a hung parliament, and aminority government not planning to implement its own manifesto. It is not Brexit that has been preventing busy government, it was the electorate.
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three? Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.
But these feckers are still in charge. What sort of halfwits vote for them?
The Government is actually doing a bloody good adminstrative dayjob. And I don't say that lighjtly.
It's just the drama of Brexit is consuming its whole profile, and most of its legislative programme.
Theresa May is just demonstrating why being crap at politics matters. Everyone ends up thinking your whole administration is shite.
I see you are now the resident pro-Government apologist. The damage the process of A50 has done and the failure to move a raft of other issues forward will come out in time.
The crisis in local Government finance which I mentioned earlier today deepens and I suspect Hammond will be forced to spend millions bailing out BOTH Conservative and labour run councils who can't manage to fund the required levels of adult and child social care.
We have Crossrail which is an unmitigated disaster - a year late and £600m over budget. - but the twerp of a Transport Minister we have does nothing.
I agree a competent Opposition would be tearing lumps out of this Government but as they can't or won't I suppose I'll have to instead.
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).
He was a “co-founder” of PayPal (ie a mid level exec there at the beginning)
Tesla was built on subsidies from the Obama government
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three? Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.
But these feckers are still in charge. What sort of halfwits vote for them?
You are not saying I am a half wit are you
Big G, we have all voted for the current crop of politicians. Possibly some form of mass hallucination. I'd strongly advocate not voting for any of 'em.
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).
He was a “co-founder” of PayPal (ie a mid level exec there at the beginning)
Tesla was built on subsidies from the Obama government
The Government is actually doing a bloody good adminstrative dayjob. And I don't say that lighjtly.
It's just the drama of Brexit is consuming its whole profile, and most of its legislative programme.
Theresa May is just demonstrating why being crap at politics matters. Everyone ends up thinking your whole administration is shite.
I see you are now the resident pro-Government apologist. The damage the process of A50 has done and the failure to move a raft of other issues forward will come out in time.
The crisis in local Government finance which I mentioned earlier today deepens and I suspect Hammond will be forced to spend millions bailing out BOTH Conservative and labour run councils who can't manage to fund the required levels of adult and child social care.
We have Crossrail which is an unmitigated disaster - a year late and £600m over budget. - but the twerp of a Transport Minister we have does nothing.
I agree a competent Opposition would be tearing lumps out of this Government but as they can't or won't I suppose I'll have to instead.
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).
He was a “co-founder” of PayPal (ie a mid level exec there at the beginning)
Tesla was built on subsidies from the Obama government
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).
Are any of them making a profit, or are they all pyramid schemes?
He sold his share in Paypal to fund the other ventures, but it’s currently making around $2.5bn annual profit, I think. SpaceX could be profitable, but is spending a lot in R&D. Plenty of cash, and a valuable asset, as there would be no shortage of buyers were it ever up for sale.
Tesla is the big gamble, but I suspect will succeed. At the very worst it would get bought out if Musk were to run out of cash.
It sounds like this poll could trigger a market HYUFD adjustment.
Now careful - that is as unlikely as he is to back remain but reading his comments could be interesting
I actually voted Remain and an obviously triggered Daily Mail poll with questions phrased to get the result they want for a weekend story really means very little.
In any case as I have already said if Boris goes down, it is just Mogg, Davis or Patel who go up instead, it does not benefit pro Chequers Deal candidates
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three? Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.
But these feckers are still in charge. What sort of halfwits vote for them?
You are not saying I am a half wit are you
Big G, we have all voted for the current crop of politicians. Possibly some form of mass hallucination. I'd strongly advocate not voting for any of 'em.
But I am not a half wit by staying loyal to my party even though I attack it's hard Bexit fantasies and the ridiculous Boris
I saw some stills from a pro Brexit demo and the hatred on the faces was dreadful. Same hatred as you see from the hard left.
It is time for the vast majority of normal decent people to rise up and strike this evil from our Country.
Where has tolerance and decency gone. A new centre ground party would be a good start
A new centre party?
Wash your mouth out with soap. You're a Conservative Party member.
It is needed to provide opposition. The government needs a functioning opposition
A functioning government would be a decent start, Big G.
The Government is actually doing a bloody good adminstrative dayjob. And I don't say that lighjtly.
It's just the drama of Brexit is consuming its whole profile, and most of its legislative programme.
Theresa May is just demonstrating why being crap at politics matters. Everyone ends up thinking your whole administration is shite.
That very well may be the case, Casino, but......no matter who seems to be in charge, the country still runs. Now, I grant you, putting me in charge might see an uptick in the quality of the governmental cars/expense accounts/ jaunts to far away luxury resorts expenditure, but I'm sure the Civil Service would keep things ticking.
That's not a fair assessment of the strong political leadership the Conservatives have afforded on the economy and welfare reform over the last 8 years.
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).
Are any of them making a profit, or are they all pyramid schemes?
He sold his share in Paypal to fund the other ventures, but it’s currently making around $2.5bn annual profit, I think. SpaceX could be profitable, but is spending a lot in R&D. Plenty of cash, and a valuable asset, as there would be no shortage of buyers were it ever up for sale.
Tesla is the big gamble, but I suspect will succeed. At the very worst it would get bought out if Musk were to run out of cash.
I don't care. I imagine CR will blame everyone except the Government which is his privilege but to us in London it looks and sounds like a disaster.
Everyone has been happy to say how wonderful the Elizabeth Line is going to be and it may well be wonderful but the fact is it's late and overbudget and someone needs to be held to account and that includes Chris Grayling.
The Government is actually doing a bloody good adminstrative dayjob. And I don't say that lighjtly.
It's just the drama of Brexit is consuming its whole profile, and most of its legislative programme.
Theresa May is just demonstrating why being crap at politics matters. Everyone ends up thinking your whole administration is shite.
I see you are now the resident pro-Government apologist. The damage the process of A50 has done and the failure to move a raft of other issues forward will come out in time.
The crisis in local Government finance which I mentioned earlier today deepens and I suspect Hammond will be forced to spend millions bailing out BOTH Conservative and labour run councils who can't manage to fund the required levels of adult and child social care.
We have Crossrail which is an unmitigated disaster - a year late and £600m over budget. - but the twerp of a Transport Minister we have does nothing.
I agree a competent Opposition would be tearing lumps out of this Government but as they can't or won't I suppose I'll have to instead.
It sounds like this poll could trigger a market HYUFD adjustment.
Now careful - that is as unlikely as he is to back remain but reading his comments could be interesting
I actually voted Remain and an obviously triggered Daily Mail poll with questions phrased to get the result they want for a weekend story really means very little.
In any case as I have already said if Boris goes down, it is just Mogg, Davis or Patel who go up instead, it does not benefit pro Chequers Deal candidates
That very well may be the case, Casino, but......no matter who seems to be in charge, the country still runs. Now, I grant you, putting me in charge might see an uptick in the quality of the governmental cars/expense accounts/ jaunts to far away luxury resorts expenditure, but I'm sure the Civil Service would keep things ticking.
Actually I think it's more than that.
The problem is the constant 24/7 desire to be seen to "do something". Blair was the worst for it constantly needing new initiatives, new press releases or when that didn't work an annual reshuffle. The problem is that it takes time to bed in what has been done, get used to it, understand it, let it filter through society etc
The constant "must do something" nature of modern politics has tainted it and is against doing a good administrative day job.
I think the government now is doing a good job because of, not despite of, the distraction of Brexit. The distraction of Brexit is meaning that constant fidgeting by press release is getting stymied. Instead of being constantly seen to do something, the government is just concentrating on what it needs to do.
If all governments were so distracted we'd be better off.
You're right, a Corbyn endlessly discussing the Nabka would probably let things tick over just fine.
We have a hung parliament, and aminority government not planning to implement its own manifesto. It is not Brexit that has been preventing busy government, it was the electorate.
That's been the same basically since 2010 too.
I doubt Corbyn would want to do nothing and just let things tick over, that's the problem.
If by chance Corbyn did just do nothing and just let things tick over that'd be a relief.
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three? Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.
But these feckers are still in charge. What sort of halfwits vote for them?
You are not saying I am a half wit are you
Big G, we have all voted for the current crop of politicians. Possibly some form of mass hallucination. I'd strongly advocate not voting for any of 'em.
But I am not a half wit by staying loyal to my party even though I attack it's hard Bexit fantasies and the ridiculous Boris
Big G, you vote for 'em, you own 'em. I voted for Brexit, I'm a racist, xenophobic little Englander.
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).
He was a “co-founder” of PayPal (ie a mid level exec there at the beginning)
Tesla was built on subsidies from the Obama government
What is the point of ANY of the "big three" parties?
I'd say we only have a big two now, unless you're including the SNP as one of the three? Surely the point of any modern political party is to get elected, and then get reelected? Running the country clearly comes a distant second. Maybe we should all join the Lib Dems, make it a real #peoplesparty and keep the professionals out of the loop?
The point of any political party should be to provide the country with security, stability, safety and promote tolerance and growth.
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.
But these feckers are still in charge. What sort of halfwits vote for them?
You are not saying I am a half wit are you
Big G, we have all voted for the current crop of politicians. Possibly some form of mass hallucination. I'd strongly advocate not voting for any of 'em.
But I am not a half wit by staying loyal to my party even though I attack it's hard Bexit fantasies and the ridiculous Boris
Big G, Hard Brexit was in the 2017 manifesto. It isn’t a fantasy; it’s government policy.
It sounds like this poll could trigger a market HYUFD adjustment.
Now careful - that is as unlikely as he is to back remain but reading his comments could be interesting
I actually voted Remain and an obviously triggered Daily Mail poll with questions phrased to get the result they want for a weekend story really means very little.
In any case as I have already said if Boris goes down, it is just Mogg, Davis or Patel who go up instead, it does not benefit pro Chequers Deal candidates
Daily mail is pro Brexit
Less so with the editor Geordie Greig now English has gone and the Sunday Mail backed Remain
Except it isn't. Marina is a Eurosceptic who backed Boris over Brexit and has her own (very strong) criticisms of the EU and the judicial activism of the ECJ.
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Elon Musk....my opinion has gone right down on Musk, he came across terribly. If you only heard that interview, you wouldn't give him $5 let alone the $5bn the US government have given him.
.... and yet, he's worth 20 billion, founded Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX and several other interesting companies. Suggests he has some idea what he's doing (even if he is a bit weird).
Are any of them making a profit, or are they all pyramid schemes?
He sold his share in Paypal to fund the other ventures, but it’s currently making around $2.5bn annual profit, I think. SpaceX could be profitable, but is spending a lot in R&D. Plenty of cash, and a valuable asset, as there would be no shortage of buyers were it ever up for sale.
Tesla is the big gamble, but I suspect will succeed. At the very worst it would get bought out if Musk were to run out of cash.
None are pyramid schemes.
Not for me. It all smells very fishy to me.
SpaceX is private, I think; Tesla is not for me at current prices, either. Both will transform their sectors even if they aren’t wild financial successes in the end (which I think was Musk’s aim - setting aside his general tendencies towards megalomania).
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I get that but if you want to win an election you need to reach out to all voters.
Treating them with respect and engaging with them sincerely to find solutions to their concerns is a good start.
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/conservatives-make-history-in-eckington-1-9339732
I'm sitting here drinking English sparkling wine (Chapel Down) and it's beautiful. Nicer than several French champagnes I've tried.
But, I doubt that will happen.
There is no point in forming a moderate party that will do nothing. Any moderate party has to have ideas on how tackle e.g., intergenerational unfairness or increasing wealth inequality or costs of social care.
My belief is that the time for moderate parties may be over in the West for a while. Moderate parties work best when economic and political circumstances are benign. & only gradual change is needed.
When substantial change is needed, moderate parties are no good. They are not able to take unpopular decisions.
Or for drying your face.
Or for blowing your nose.
It is a bit different here of course.
And on the subject of Scotland wth some thinking labour are in with a chance (not me) the conservatives took a seat from labour last night in Inverkeithing (Gordon Browns backyard)
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1038154939673919493?s=19
Not surprising seeing as the moderate parties have produced lots of failed wars, financial collapse, massive changes in society and the complete loading of their own and their families and mates pockets with geld.
The end of days must be close.
If you don’t fix a problem like housing or social care or intergenerational fairness for decades, eventually a large portion of the electorate decides to give someone else the chance to fix the problem.
*waves*
Can I have a puff?
It's just the drama of Brexit is consuming its whole profile, and most of its legislative programme.
Theresa May is just demonstrating why being crap at politics matters. Everyone ends up thinking your whole administration is shite.
e.g. Rogan said man you have all these companies, how do you find the time to manage it all.
Which to most normal people the answer would then go down a path of telling you something about their daily / weekly schedule and also informing Rogan that a lot of things are delegated. I think over the 3hrs, he asked this question, with slightly different spins 3-4 times and each time Musk just didn't get what he was asking for and the conversation descended into really weird directions that were totally unrelated.
It was an incredibly painful listen.
Part of the entire point of Corbynism is to stop Labour acting like a traditional political party - where there are safeguards in place to grant MPs a degree of independence and which doesn't view any deviation as a form of treachery meriting exclusion - and to make one that can be controlled through democratic centralism led by an activist core that will stick to the leadership's line and rigidly enforce it through a party democracy it controls.
MPs won't be able to just Corbyn elected as PM and then repeat his own awkward squad tactics. If they make it that far, it'll be tow the line, support Jez, or we're coming for you. They already are.
Heads up, Hillary smashed him by three million votes.
The electoral college saved him, but that’s rather different.
Vince's proposals won't get a very warm welcome from much of the party. No one has any problem with the notion of "registered supporters" - indeed, the more active areas probably have good records of "supporters" as defined as those willing to deliver or help but not willing to become members and I'm more than happy for such supporters to be kept informed of local events.
I would absolutely draw the line at non-members being able to choose the leader - it opens the door to the sort of absurd entryism we've seen in both the Labour and Conservative parties where those ill-disposed toward the party seek to influence a leadership election by voting for the individual least suited to lead the party.
I also believe the leader has to be an MP irrespective of how "shallow" the pool of talent may be and I don't agree the LDs are short of talent. I think both Layla Moran and Jo Swinson would make excellent leaders and I really hope we have a contest this time.
Hillary and the DNC ignored the electoral college to their peril. Winning California by over 4 million votes achieved little. Trump targeted midwest blue states with a laser-like focus that got him elected. Had Hillary not neglected those states she'd be in the oval office.
Moderate politiciens have only themselves to blame for the rise of Trump or Corbyn.
Hillary never could work a crowd in the same way, neither could May.
One thing they could learn from Trump is what you say to your electorate on the stump, do.
What we have are two travesties, an invisible pointless party and (since you mention the SNP) a party that represents less than half of one low-population region and whose stated objective is to break up the UK.
The problem is the constant 24/7 desire to be seen to "do something". Blair was the worst for it constantly needing new initiatives, new press releases or when that didn't work an annual reshuffle. The problem is that it takes time to bed in what has been done, get used to it, understand it, let it filter through society etc
The constant "must do something" nature of modern politics has tainted it and is against doing a good administrative day job.
I think the government now is doing a good job because of, not despite of, the distraction of Brexit. The distraction of Brexit is meaning that constant fidgeting by press release is getting stymied. Instead of being constantly seen to do something, the government is just concentrating on what it needs to do.
If all governments were so distracted we'd be better off.
Sometimes a business runs out of steam although it ought to have a good prospectus. In those circumstances, being taken over is not necessarily a bad option, if it's by the right people for the right reason. Offering an easy exit for Labour moderates into a ready made alternative with an activist base, canvass data and party structure removes some of the inhibiting factors currently preventing Labour MPs from jumping ship.
Of course, when failing businesses get taken over, a change of name often helps with the relaunch.
I recall reading the Democratic governor of one of those states actually told the Hillary campaign he was worried she was going to lose his state and she still didn't visit it. While Trump repeatedly did.
We have a hung parliament, and aminority government not planning to implement its own manifesto. It is not Brexit that has been preventing busy government, it was the electorate.
The crisis in local Government finance which I mentioned earlier today deepens and I suspect Hammond will be forced to spend millions bailing out BOTH Conservative and labour run councils who can't manage to fund the required levels of adult and child social care.
We have Crossrail which is an unmitigated disaster - a year late and £600m over budget. - but the twerp of a Transport Minister we have does nothing.
I agree a competent Opposition would be tearing lumps out of this Government but as they can't or won't I suppose I'll have to instead.
https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1038167886823677952
Known in the trade as conflict marketing - of which this will take some beating.
Just do it.
Tesla was built on subsidies from the Obama government
SpaceX is a vanity
Do you have evidence for him being worth $20bn?
He’s a hypster and a promoter not a businessman
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/07/tesla-chief-elon-musk-smokes-marijuana-on-live-web-show
A mixture of Respect and the SWP is what Labour is slowly turning into.
https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/2/
Interestingly on the podcast, he himself said he wasn't a businessman, and he described himself as an engineer.
(Probably based on a high price for Tesla a stupid number for SpaceX and some puff from Musk)
SpaceX could be profitable, but is spending a lot in R&D. Plenty of cash, and a valuable asset, as there would be no shortage of buyers were it ever up for sale.
Tesla is the big gamble, but I suspect will succeed. At the very worst it would get bought out if Musk were to run out of cash.
None are pyramid schemes.
Perhaps he had a helmet the size of a beachball?
In any case as I have already said if Boris goes down, it is just Mogg, Davis or Patel who go up instead, it does not benefit pro Chequers Deal candidates
It is paying dividends.
Everyone has been happy to say how wonderful the Elizabeth Line is going to be and it may well be wonderful but the fact is it's late and overbudget and someone needs to be held to account and that includes Chris Grayling.
You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
I doubt Corbyn would want to do nothing and just let things tick over, that's the problem.
If by chance Corbyn did just do nothing and just let things tick over that'd be a relief.
It's just Boris is a selfish narcissistic dickhead who's betrayed her one time too many.
Both will transform their sectors even if they aren’t wild financial successes in the end (which I think was Musk’s aim - setting aside his general tendencies towards megalomania).