Finishing with Jerusalem and the National Anthem now
I don't bother with the Last Night of The Proms anymore.
They let any tom, dick or harry in and it's been totally captured by the liberal Left
If you want a proper patriotic music festival now you have to go to the battle proms or proms in the shires.
If it had been totally captured by the liberal left there would be no 'Rule Britannia' and no 'Land of Hope and Glory' though I agree local proms can be just as good, we even have a Proms on the Green in Epping
Give them time.
If the only tunes allowed are 'the Red Flag', Flower of Scotland' and 'Beethovan's Ninth' you may have a point but until then it remains watchable
I disagree. Rule Britannia was dialled back for a number of years by previous conductors, and only heard as part of the sea songs, and the BBC are almost embarrassed to show it. They should have drawn a line in the sand with the political flag entry as well, but have done nothing about it.
You are very dismissive of anyone's views that don't align with your own, which you then try to prove by steering the discussion onto other facts or assertions you feel can't be refuted or rebutted, even if they bear little to no relation to the original point.
I no longer watch it. There are better places in the UK now that better capture its cultural heritage.
Rule Britannia still plays a key role in the Proms and that is a fact, the fact you dislike the Proms now does not change that.
I say what I think regardless of what the consensus may be and will continue to do so
I have friends who were in the audience last night. The flags were being assessed by staff before entry to the auditorium.
Their Welsh flag was rejected for being too large. Their EU flag was passed fit for display.
I kid you not.
Their were a few saltires and St George's flags in the audience but it is fair to say the BBC is pro UK and pro EU rather less pro English and Scottish and Welsh nationalism
Boris has united Adonis, Tugendhat and Alan Duncan in condemnation. Wow!
I suspect the entire political class (at least those still with a working moral compass) will be joining in the condemnation. And it is thoroughly deserved.
Has he finally blown it?
Who can tell. It seems impossible to count out anything these days. But I can't see how he can put together a coalition of support to win any contest.
Seems to me that he has lost his touch. Or maybe Crosby is advising him rather badly.
Or it is some cunning wheeze to make May more secure...?
Finishing with Jerusalem and the National Anthem now
I don't bother with the Last Night of The Proms anymore.
They let any tom, dick or harry in and it's been totally captured by the liberal Left
If you want a proper patriotic music festival now you have to go to the battle proms or proms in the shires.
If it had been totally captured by the liberal left there would be no 'Rule Britannia' and no 'Land of Hope and Glory' though I agree local proms can be just as good, we even have a Proms on the Green in Epping
Give them time.
I hate being provocative, but Elgar disapproved of the words added to pomp and circumstance. And Blake really is writing about a burnt out mill on his way to the Grocery shop.
Blake also believed, or couldn’t entirely rule out, Jesus visited Britain.
Even now, 2018, with everything I researched on the subject, I wouldn’t rule it out.
You don’t rule out Jesus visiting Britain? ( Or Blake ruling it out to be fair).
Well fair enough. But I don’t rule out being supreme ruler of the universe by Tuesday ( I mean Sunday's a day off, and that gives everyone Monday to do the paperwork, so that’s reasonable).
Did I read something below about Marx being too right wing too?
Righty oh then. That’s all fine.........
In fact the more read-into it, the more plausible it sound. Proven trade routes. Position in his uncles business. The gap in his life historians know little of, about 15 years. The trip not as long or arduous in those days as may think. As well as trade, Learn a bit of the geometry and architecture from builders in the North. Why do people travel on gap year?
A religious, though not orthodox, man, Blake was excited by stories of Jesus in England, handed down by word of mouth here and interestingly same in the Mediterranean.
Christ stopped at Priddy, on the mendips, and took tea with the Druids. Say you have more than enough Reason for one evening and send me to bed.
Right. All ok. Fine. Fair enough. If that’s what you think.
I see Boris has ended his political career meltdown with a bang... Goodnight and get lost.
Doesn't look good.
But he is a survivor.
Who knows.
The new Daily Mail editor, Geordie Greig, is strongly pro May and anti Boris so we need to see the full context of the story first but I doubt it will make much difference even if another Boris gaffe, those who hated Boris before like Adonis, Duncan and Tugenhadt and who back Remain or Chequers will continue to do so and those who loved Boris before and back Brexit and hate Chequers will continue to do so too
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
I see Boris has ended his political career meltdown with a bang... Goodnight and get lost.
Doesn't look good.
But he is a survivor.
Who knows.
The new Daily Mail editor, Geordie Greig, is strongly pro May and anti Boris so we need to see the full context of the story first but I doubt it will make much difference even if another Boris gaffe, those who hated Boris before like Adonis, Duncan and Tugenhadt and who back Remain or Chequers will continue to do so and those who loved Boris before and back Brexit and hate Chequers will continue to do so too
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical...
McDonnell is open about his desire to destroy capitalism. He has been throughout his 'career'.
No matter how 'reasonable' he tries to be when in front of the cameras, his instincts are dangerous.
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Well, there were quite a few complaints from those on the left that the last manifesto, once you cut through the crap, was not much more than reheated Miliband.
Certainly f all on the welfare state, which is broken.
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
Well also who would want to set a company up knowing that if successful in 30-40 years time the worker block might have a bigger stake in your company than you....and that ever year your potential cash out is being diluted.
'Boris Johnson has triggered a fresh political storm by accusing Theresa May of wrapping a ‘suicide vest’ around Britain – and handing the detonator to Brussels. The former Foreign Secretary uses a blistering article in today’s The Mail on Sunday to condemn the Prime Minister’s ‘feeble’ handling of the Brexit negotiations, her ‘pathetic’ Chequers deal and the Government’s ‘semi-masochistic’ relationship with the EU.
...Amid an increasingly febrile atmosphere at Westminster, this newspaper can also reveal: The contents of a ‘dirty dossier’ on Mr Johnson, which was drawn up by Mrs May’s advisers as part of an alleged attempt to ‘smear’ him; Leaked details of the ‘chuck Chequers’ manifesto drawn up by arch-Brexiteers, which calls for billions to be ploughed into income tax cuts, the NHS and the Armed Forces; That the Foreign Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, is calling on the Prime Minister’s political enemies to give her ‘the flexibility and room’ to strike a good deal for Britain. Writing in The Mail on Sunday he says she will fulfil ‘the will of the people’.
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical...
McDonnell is open about his desire to destroy capitalism. He has been throughout his 'career'.
No matter how 'reasonable' he tries to be when in front of the cameras, his instincts are dangerous.
I have always said he is far more dangerous than grumpy grandad, who is a moron. McDonnell isnt, but he is a Marxist that wants to destroy capitalism.
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
Well also who would want to set a company up knowing that if successful in 30-40 years time the worker block might have a bigger stake in your company than you....and that ever year your potential cash out is being diluted.
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
Well also who would want to set a company up knowing that if successful in 30-40 years time the worker block might have a bigger stake in your company than you....and that ever year your potential cash out is being diluted.
Quite. So you’d avoid it like the plague.
Are these people monumentally stupid? Yes.
I can already see how companies could do some jiggery-pokery. you have a foreign based parent companies and they keep everything valuable like IP, copyright on brand names, etc etc etc in the parent.
Then when the worker share block starts to reach a critical mass, you shut the UK company, and start a new one, but obviously the public won't know as they just keep using the same brand names etc.
When Sir Alan was asked about Mrs May he offered a long explanation exploring her strengths and weaknesses. When asked about his immediate boss, Boris - he had a one word answer - "C*nt".
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
All those who think Brexit will be damaging - nah, that first McDonnell Budget - THAT will be damaging.
And by his third, he will be grubbing around for ever more desperate ideas to find taxes to try to fund the NHS. Because he doesn't seem to realise that taxing capitalists in reasonable measure funds the NHS. When they leave, Labour will be the ones that will have killed the NHS. Oh, the irony....
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
All those who think Brexit will be damaging - nah, that first McDonnell Budget - THAT will be damaging.
And by his third, he will be grubbing around for ever more desperate ideas to find taxes to try to fund the NHS. Because he doesn't seem to realise that taxing capitalists in reasonable measure funds the NHS. When they leave, Labour will be the ones that will have killed the NHS. Oh, the irony....
Just imagine how unwelcome an EU referendum would be for Corbyn and McDonnell at this point...
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
All those who think Brexit will be damaging - nah, that first McDonnell Budget - THAT will be damaging.
And by his third, he will be grubbing around for ever more desperate ideas to find taxes to try to fund the NHS. Because he doesn't seem to realise that taxing capitalists in reasonable measure funds the NHS. When they leave, Labour will be the ones that will have killed the NHS. Oh, the irony....
The Labour Party is proposing as Chancellor a man who wants to overthrow capitalism.
Perhaps McDonnell should live in Venezuela for a period to learn from the best?
Can't speak for the guys honesty but haven't seen any proof of Labour involvement.
As for the dogs controversy Corbyn's opponents have used any excuse to attack him, be that feigning insult or ignoring context and the like so I'm not sure they can complain when they get the same treatment back. They at least won't have the right wing papers joining in.
"My friends, as I have discovered myself, there are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh disasters!" - Boo-ris in 2004, on being sacked from the Shadow Cabinet by Michael Howard after the Petronella Wyatt affair.
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
Well also who would want to set a company up knowing that if successful in 30-40 years time the worker block might have a bigger stake in your company than you....and that ever year your potential cash out is being diluted.
You’ll have technical listings (a friend of mine once owned a $1bn company that had a 0.001% stake listed)
Or people will reduce the number of employees below 250.
Or they will split employees into different subsidiaries or stapled sisters
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
Well also who would want to set a company up knowing that if successful in 30-40 years time the worker block might have a bigger stake in your company than you....and that ever year your potential cash out is being diluted.
You’ll have technical listings (a friend of mine once owned a $1bn company that had a 0.001% stake listed)
Or people will reduce the number of employees below 250.
Or they will split employees into different subsidiaries or stapled sisters
Lots of ways around it
Good luck explaining company structures to John McDonnell!
"My friends, as I have discovered myself, there are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh disasters!" - Boo-ris in 2004, on being sacked from the Shadow Cabinet by Michael Howard after the Petronella Wyatt affair.
4 years later he became mayor of London, four years after that he won re-election. After his mayoralty finished he successfully led the campaign to leave the EU and a month later became Foreign Secretary.
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
Well also who would want to set a company up knowing that if successful in 30-40 years time the worker block might have a bigger stake in your company than you....and that ever year your potential cash out is being diluted.
You’ll have technical listings (a friend of mine once owned a $1bn company that had a 0.001% stake listed)
Or people will reduce the number of employees below 250.
Or they will split employees into different subsidiaries or stapled sisters
Lots of ways around it
Good luck explaining company structures to John McDonnell!
Well we currently have 1 company with about 400 employees
We could spin off ancillary services into a separate company that was totally independent with 50 employees
And there’s no reason why the main company needs to own the real estate and the support functions that go with it. So there’s another company with about 100 employees.
Of course there would be paperwork involved but we’re already down to 250 in the main business without affecting the core ability to operate.
Can't speak for the guys honesty but haven't seen any proof of Labour involvement.
As for the dogs controversy Corbyn's opponents have used any excuse to attack him, be that feigning insult or ignoring context and the like so I'm not sure they can complain when they get the same treatment back. They at least won't have the right wing papers joining in.
Why is Iranian television so interested in the deselection of a Labour MP?
Just reading about McDonnell radical idea for workers to have a bigger say in how their company is run. I starts off with companies will be forced to put profits into share scheme for workers, ok not that uncommon among in some sectors, but you can’t cash them in, ever...it is simply all about the workers getting increasing control of a private company via voter rights because they are an ever increasing shareholder block.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
Which will cause people to put money in other places other than British companies.
Well also who would want to set a company up knowing that if successful in 30-40 years time the worker block might have a bigger stake in your company than you....and that ever year your potential cash out is being diluted.
You’ll have technical listings (a friend of mine once owned a $1bn company that had a 0.001% stake listed)
Or people will reduce the number of employees below 250.
Or they will split employees into different subsidiaries or stapled sisters
Lots of ways around it
Good luck explaining company structures to John McDonnell!
Well we currently have 1 company with about 400 employees
We could spin off ancillary services into a separate company that was totally independent with 50 employees
And there’s no reason why the main company needs to own the real estate and the support functions that go with it. So there’s another company with about 100 employees.
Of course there would be paperwork involved but we’re already down to 250 in the main business without affecting the core ability to operate.
Indeed so. Any international company will have a network of entities where things can be located in the most regulatory-friendly jurisdiction. It’s very common in my part of the world to have an onshore, offshore and free zone company to get around rules on foreign ownership, for example. We can all agree that J McD doesn’t have the first clue about how business works in the real world, and grossly underestimates the extent to which business owners and managers will rearrange themselves to avoid major changes in regulation and taxation.
Oh dear. Pretending to get upset about the ‘suicide vest’ jibe will get no currency - the sort of people that support Brexit and Boris are not going to be remotely put off by people who are desperate to be offended at everything - in fact it will just re-enforce their views that politics is dominated by the politcally correct who they despise.
May’s line that she has the only viable plan is far more of a problem, given that (a) the EU have rejected her plan and (b) the Brexiteers are about to publish their own plan.
May’s survival is measured in weeks at this stage.
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I shall draw my own conclusions and move on.
He also says that labours next manifesto is going to be more much left wing and radical then last time.
No matter how 'reasonable' he tries to be when in front of the cameras, his instincts are dangerous.
Certainly f all on the welfare state, which is broken.
The former Foreign Secretary uses a blistering article in today’s The Mail on Sunday to condemn the Prime Minister’s ‘feeble’ handling of the Brexit negotiations, her ‘pathetic’ Chequers deal and the Government’s ‘semi-masochistic’ relationship with the EU.
...Amid an increasingly febrile atmosphere at Westminster, this newspaper can also reveal:
The contents of a ‘dirty dossier’ on Mr Johnson, which was drawn up by Mrs May’s advisers as part of an alleged attempt to ‘smear’ him;
Leaked details of the ‘chuck Chequers’ manifesto drawn up by arch-Brexiteers, which calls for billions to be ploughed into income tax cuts, the NHS and the Armed Forces;
That the Foreign Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, is calling on the Prime Minister’s political enemies to give her ‘the flexibility and room’ to strike a good deal for Britain. Writing in The Mail on Sunday he says she will fulfil ‘the will of the people’.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6146953/Boris-Johnson-accuses-Theresa-wrapping-suicide-vest-Britain-Brexit-plan.html
Are these people monumentally stupid? Yes.
Then when the worker share block starts to reach a critical mass, you shut the UK company, and start a new one, but obviously the public won't know as they just keep using the same brand names etc.
That said Boris has clearly jumped the shark,
Wonder if he's had a breakdown after his marriage break-up?
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1038550545521356801
And by his third, he will be grubbing around for ever more desperate ideas to find taxes to try to fund the NHS. Because he doesn't seem to realise that taxing capitalists in reasonable measure funds the NHS. When they leave, Labour will be the ones that will have killed the NHS. Oh, the irony....
https://twitter.com/slowbikeiain/status/1038513369765044224
Perhaps McDonnell should live in Venezuela for a period to learn from the best?
Can't speak for the guys honesty but haven't seen any proof of Labour involvement.
As for the dogs controversy Corbyn's opponents have used any excuse to attack him, be that feigning insult or ignoring context and the like so I'm not sure they can complain when they get the same treatment back. They at least won't have the right wing papers joining in.
- Boo-ris in 2004, on being sacked from the Shadow Cabinet by Michael Howard after the Petronella Wyatt affair.
Or people will reduce the number of employees below 250.
Or they will split employees into different subsidiaries or stapled sisters
Lots of ways around it
We could spin off ancillary services into a separate company that was totally independent with 50 employees
And there’s no reason why the main company needs to own the real estate and the support functions that go with it. So there’s another company with about 100 employees.
Of course there would be paperwork involved but we’re already down to 250 in the main business without affecting the core ability to operate.
We can all agree that J McD doesn’t have the first clue about how business works in the real world, and grossly underestimates the extent to which business owners and managers will rearrange themselves to avoid major changes in regulation and taxation.
May’s line that she has the only viable plan is far more of a problem, given that (a) the EU have rejected her plan and (b) the Brexiteers are about to publish their own plan.
May’s survival is measured in weeks at this stage.