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edited September 13 in General

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Economically speaking, the last two centuries have been pretty good for much of Europe, North America and Asia. People live longer, are healthier, and are richer than ever before.

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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 19,350
    Uno?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 30,160
    Duo.....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 68,322
    edited September 13
    I’ve often said as a nation we obsess too much on our war histories but not enough on the industrial revolution.
  • If Craig Murray can become an Ambassador then so can anyone.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 33,611
    Well they’ve had time to research their story.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 4,213
    Oh FFS

    Does this man ever know when to shut up? He isn't even a useful idiot. He certainly isn't useful....
  • Deliberate misunderstanding & pretend offence taking are never good looks. Do politicians really think people don't see through such nonsense?

    https://unherd.com/2018/09/insincere-politicians-cheapening-public-discourse/
  • Thanks Robert. I forward these to my daughter who is studying Economics at Uni. She likes them as they tend to be a different viewpoint from her lectures. Sigh
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 21,153

    I’ve often said as a nation we obsess too much on our war histories but not enough on the industrial revolution.

    If only we had a poster who had chosen as a moniker one of the great engineers of the early industrial revolution!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 10,256
    WMD, Blair, Stazi files Anti Sematism.

    How many times can PB Tories fall for such BS.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 33,611
    Scott_P said:
    Why aren’t people like this fast tracked?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 10,256

    If Craig Murray can become an Ambassador then so can anyone.
    Not everybody!! Certainly not that Hungarian spy masquerading as LOTO
  • RobDRobD Posts: 33,611
    edited September 13

    WMD, Blair, Stazi files Anti Sematism.

    How many times can PB Tories fall for such BS.

    You’re saying there is no antisemitism problem? I suppose the good Baroness Chakrabarti did say so.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 21,574
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Why aren’t people like this fast tracked?
    Deport the Remainers?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 33,611

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Why aren’t people like this fast tracked?
    Deport the Remainers?
    I did mean for citizenship, but you’ve got a point.....
  • daodaodaodao Posts: 654
    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 21,026
    I'd like to take a hard look at some of these statistics. My understanding had always been that if you got past childhood in olden days you were well set to reach a decent age. For instance, an 18 year old male in 1841 could expect to reach 59:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/howhaslifeexpectancychangedovertime/2015-09-09

    So I'm not yet convinced by the idea that it wasn't worth investing the time in education at that stage.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 10,256
    Went to the democracy road show last night. 57 in favour of open selection 1 against. Newsnight tonight will fail to report that. Desperate to get negative quotes. The young bloke with glasses provided them with an alternative opinion. You couldn't go for a piss without them sticking a microphone in your face. Very bad idea to invite them along methinks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 33,611
    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    We’d stop eating babies if only there weren’t so damned delicious.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 30,160
    Thanks for the video.....looking forward to part 2.....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 10,256
    Also went to Sheffield Museum. Interesting choice of toilet paper with a certain PMs face on has a prominent place in the 1980s section.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 9,755
    Genuinely astounded trump has decided to make hurricane deaths the topic of conversation.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 4,074
    RobD said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    We’d stop eating babies if only there weren’t so damned delicious.
    Do you prefer the white or the dark meat?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 10,256
    American Assasins time now.

    Perhaps it's about Dick Chaney
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 45,762
    edited September 13
    Summary:
    1600 - 35 workers : 65 nonworkers (29 childcare, 29 children, 7 old)
    1950 - 45 workers : 55 nonworkers (18 childcare, 23 children, 14 old)
    2000 - 51 workers : 49 nonworkers (11 childcare, 19 children, 19 old)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 30,160
    Interesting that in the case of Driving licences, the UK is saying it will continue to recognise EU ones (unlike the EU), but in the case of car type approval it will cut both ways - UK manufacturers must seek EU approval and EU manufacturers must seek UK approval:

    In the event of a no deal Brexit, car manufacturers would need to get EU certificates showing that they comply with EU safety and environmental standards, one of the papers says. And EU manufacturers wanting to sell cars in the UK would need the equivalent UK documentation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/sep/13/brexit-no-deal-planning-papes-dominic-raab-takes-swipe-at-john-lewis-saying-firms-should-not-blame-brexit-for-their-own-failings-politics-live?page=with:block-5b9a58a2e4b0543ecbf2c20e#block-5b9a58a2e4b0543ecbf2c20e
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 45,762

    Also went to Sheffield Museum. Interesting choice of toilet paper with a certain PMs face on has a prominent place in the 1980s section.

    Weston Park :)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 38,378


    Shout out to all the Brexiteers wishing they had been published before the vote...
  • Interesting that in the case of Driving licences, the UK is saying it will continue to recognise EU ones (unlike the EU), but in the case of car type approval it will cut both ways - UK manufacturers must seek EU approval and EU manufacturers must seek UK approval:

    In the event of a no deal Brexit, car manufacturers would need to get EU certificates showing that they comply with EU safety and environmental standards, one of the papers says. And EU manufacturers wanting to sell cars in the UK would need the equivalent UK documentation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/sep/13/brexit-no-deal-planning-papes-dominic-raab-takes-swipe-at-john-lewis-saying-firms-should-not-blame-brexit-for-their-own-failings-politics-live?page=with:block-5b9a58a2e4b0543ecbf2c20e#block-5b9a58a2e4b0543ecbf2c20e

    No more dodgy VW emission test fiddling then...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 44,929
    edited September 13
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Meant to watch the video this morning, but was distracted elsewhere.

    A little more detail on earlier demographics (although most of your comparisons are too recent for me to comment much): most of that was infant mortality being atrocious, especially in the first year.

    If you reached 10, you had a pretty good chance of a life above average life expectancy. And if you reached adulthood, it could be much longer. It's worth noting that three kings (admittedly, the first wasn't exactly king of warriors) in the Middle Ages lived very long lives, certainly for the time (Henry III, Edward I, Edward III). From around 1216 to 1377, 161 years, England had just four kings. The fourth was Edward II, whose life expectancy was cut short by human factors (although some believe he lived in obscurity, having escaped Mortimer's prison).

    Edited to correct a date. Ironically, I thought it was 1216, checked Wikipedia, saw 1207 for Henry III's starting date (it was his birth year) and 'corrected' my right answer with a wrong one...
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,269
    Alistair said:

    Genuinely astounded trump has decided to make hurricane deaths the topic of conversation.

    His early morning tweets today are deplorable. His narcissism is out of control.
  • eekeek Posts: 2,056

    Interesting that in the case of Driving licences, the UK is saying it will continue to recognise EU ones (unlike the EU), but in the case of car type approval it will cut both ways - UK manufacturers must seek EU approval and EU manufacturers must seek UK approval:

    In the event of a no deal Brexit, car manufacturers would need to get EU certificates showing that they comply with EU safety and environmental standards, one of the papers says. And EU manufacturers wanting to sell cars in the UK would need the equivalent UK documentation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/sep/13/brexit-no-deal-planning-papes-dominic-raab-takes-swipe-at-john-lewis-saying-firms-should-not-blame-brexit-for-their-own-failings-politics-live?page=with:block-5b9a58a2e4b0543ecbf2c20e#block-5b9a58a2e4b0543ecbf2c20e

    Hardly surprising considering the VW dieselgate scandals..
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 2,891
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    We’d stop eating babies if only there weren’t so damned delicious.
    Do you prefer the white or the dark meat?
    If they are young and tender it is all white meat.
  • mattmatt Posts: 1,850

    I'd like to take a hard look at some of these statistics. My understanding had always been that if you got past childhood in olden days you were well set to reach a decent age. For instance, an 18 year old male in 1841 could expect to reach 59:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/howhaslifeexpectancychangedovertime/2015-09-09

    So I'm not yet convinced by the idea that it wasn't worth investing the time in education at that stage.

    That’s the key point. Once you take away deaths in early childhood, the outturns looks very different.

    A similar point applies when there’s analysis of meat-eating as an indicator of poverty in 19th and early 20th century Britain. When people recording as eating meat once a week that’s pretty solid evidence. Unless you know that for many, meat = only beef.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 23,038
    matt said:

    I'd like to take a hard look at some of these statistics. My understanding had always been that if you got past childhood in olden days you were well set to reach a decent age. For instance, an 18 year old male in 1841 could expect to reach 59:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/howhaslifeexpectancychangedovertime/2015-09-09

    So I'm not yet convinced by the idea that it wasn't worth investing the time in education at that stage.

    That’s the key point. Once you take away deaths in early childhood, the outturns looks very different.

    A similar point applies when there’s analysis of meat-eating as an indicator of poverty in 19th and early 20th century Britain. When people recording as eating meat once a week that’s pretty solid evidence. Unless you know that for many, meat = only beef.
    While that's true, the population pyramid was still very angled compared to one today.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,879
    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    Since you know (and, by the way, how clever of you!) that T May and the Tories are culpable for the Grenfell Tower disaster, why don't you pop along to the head of the inquiry and tell him and his fellow assessors so thus saving a lot of time and public money.

    Mind you, you might find that judges tend to prefer evidence rather than prejudice. But then you must have that evidence, mustn't you, to make such a clear statement about "culpability"?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 2,891
    Cyclefree said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    Since you know (and, by the way, how clever of you!) that T May and the Tories are culpable for the Grenfell Tower disaster, why don't you pop along to the head of the inquiry and tell him and his fellow assessors so thus saving a lot of time and public money.

    Mind you, you might find that judges tend to prefer evidence rather than prejudice. But then you must have that evidence, mustn't you, to make such a clear statement about "culpability"?
    Citizens of nowhere is open to interpretation according to context. If your mind is closed to hearing or understanding context there is no hope of learning and understanding the original meaning. T May was obviously responsible for the start of the Windrush debacle when she was either in power or at the Home Office in about 2005 - 2010. She may be guilty of allowing the continuation of a bad policy from a predecessor.

    Bias must be one of the biggest causes of mental inflexibility and selective hearing. There must be a drug to reduce propensity to bias and thus increase harmony in the world.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 19,350

    Went to the democracy road show last night. 57 in favour of open selection 1 against. Newsnight tonight will fail to report that. Desperate to get negative quotes. The young bloke with glasses provided them with an alternative opinion. You couldn't go for a piss without them sticking a microphone in your face. Very bad idea to invite them along methinks.

    Iranian TV are much more polite I'm sure.....
  • mattmatt Posts: 1,850
    edited September 13
    philiph said:

    Cyclefree said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    Since you know (and, by the way, how clever of you!) that T May and the Tories are culpable for the Grenfell Tower disaster, why don't you pop along to the head of the inquiry and tell him and his fellow assessors so thus saving a lot of time and public money.

    Mind you, you might find that judges tend to prefer evidence rather than prejudice. But then you must have that evidence, mustn't you, to make such a clear statement about "culpability"?
    Citizens of nowhere is open to interpretation according to context. If your mind is closed to hearing or understanding context there is no hope of learning and understanding the original meaning. T May was obviously responsible for the start of the Windrush debacle when she was either in power or at the Home Office in about 2005 - 2010. She may be guilty of allowing the continuation of a bad policy from a predecessor.

    Bias must be one of the biggest causes of mental inflexibility and selective hearing. There must be a drug to reduce propensity to bias and thus increase harmony in the world.
    A touch of alcohol perhaps. Would work wonders across the Middle East.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Summary:
    1600 - 35 workers : 65 nonworkers (29 childcare, 29 children, 7 old)
    1950 - 45 workers : 55 nonworkers (18 childcare, 23 children, 14 old)
    2000 - 51 workers : 49 nonworkers (11 childcare, 19 children, 19 old)

    I wonder what proportion are now working in childcare including education?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 30,160
    Andrew Adonis, the Labour peer, former transport secretary and hardline anti-Brexit campaigner, says the shipping company rules that would apply after Brexit (see 3.20pm) could mark “the death of the cross-channel ferry”. In a statement issued by Best for Britain, he said:

    This could be the death of the cross-channel ferry. Brexit will create a tanker of red tape. Gone are the days when Brexiteers could accuse the EU of creating cumbersome bureaucracy – that ship has sailed.

    It is worth noting that the cross-channel ferry industry did manage to survive for many years before the UK entered the EU. Forecasting its “death” may be pushing it a bit ...


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/sep/13/brexit-no-deal-planning-papes-dominic-raab-takes-swipe-at-john-lewis-saying-firms-should-not-blame-brexit-for-their-own-failings-politics-live?page=with:block-5b9a7333e4b0761badf421b5#block-5b9a7333e4b0761badf421b5
  • RobDRobD Posts: 33,611
    Cyclefree said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    Since you know (and, by the way, how clever of you!) that T May and the Tories are culpable for the Grenfell Tower disaster, why don't you pop along to the head of the inquiry and tell him and his fellow assessors so thus saving a lot of time and public money.

    Mind you, you might find that judges tend to prefer evidence rather than prejudice. But then you must have that evidence, mustn't you, to make such a clear statement about "culpability"?
    Damn :o
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 30,160
    Playing at Grown Ups contd....

    Shipping

    Companies holding these exemptions should prepare for a scenario after exit in which submission of security pre-arrival information (as set out in Article 6) would be required before their vessels were permitted to enter the port(s) of an EU country. This requirement would come into effect as soon as the UK leaves the EU.

    Shipping companies should engage with EU countries to ensure they are prepared for a ‘no deal scenario’ and understand what information they would be required to provide and how it would be submitted.

    The UK government intends to continue issuing exemptions for scheduled services from an EU country to a port in the UK, or between ports in the UK, after EU withdrawal, regardless of the outcome of negotiations.

    This is subject to a set of conditions which would be similar to those currently placed upon existing exemption holders.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/getting-an-exemption-from-maritime-security-notifications-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/getting-an-exemption-from-maritime-security-notifications-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

    I think these notices may also start panicking EU member states....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 33,611
    Scott_P said:
    Genuinely laughed out loud with that one :D
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,879
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 16,513
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Genuinely laughed out loud with that one :D
    Carry on up the Cathedral?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 33,611
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Genuinely laughed out loud with that one :D
    Twitter title suggestions:

    From Russia with Nov

    :D
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 16,513
    Cyclefree said:
    Well, he already gets up every morning determined to do at least one thing that day to get rid of Jezza (he said once iirc).
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 7,812
    A very nice map and accompanying blogpost make a good companion for Robert's video:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 21,574
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Genuinely laughed out loud with that one :D
    Twitter title suggestions:

    From Russia with Nov

    :D
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 30,160
    Businesses, academics and researchers in the UK and in UK overseas territories which currently hold ground infrastructure hosting contracts may wish to contact their contracting authority such as the European Space Agency or the EU Global Navigation Satellite System Agency to verify the future position.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/satellites-and-space-programmes-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/satellites-and-space-programmes-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

    Will the ESA still want to host ground infrastructure in non-EU territory? Falklands and Ascension?

  • RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Genuinely laughed out loud with that one :D
    Carry on up the Cathedral?
    Carry on Spying

    Carry on Camping

    Carry on Cruising

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 6,129
    ""People who deny climate change... I just think it's the most stupid thing ever," Paul Mc Cartney
    Can't argue with that.
  • Scott_P said:

    Network Rail will be able to sell off more under the arch sites to Blackstone.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 33,611

    ""People who deny climate change... I just think it's the most stupid thing ever," Paul Mc Cartney
    Can't argue with that.

    I thought it was the anthropogenic part that was denied?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 45,762
    ASP = Average selling price in case anyone is wondering.
  • Cyclefree said:
    It just adds to the narrative. TM already quoted Chuka at PMQ to Corbyn
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 19,769
    matt said:

    philiph said:

    Cyclefree said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    Since you know (and, by the way, how clever of you!) that T May and the Tories are culpable for the Grenfell Tower disaster, why don't you pop along to the head of the inquiry and tell him and his fellow assessors so thus saving a lot of time and public money.

    Mind you, you might find that judges tend to prefer evidence rather than prejudice. But then you must have that evidence, mustn't you, to make such a clear statement about "culpability"?
    Citizens of nowhere is open to interpretation according to context. If your mind is closed to hearing or understanding context there is no hope of learning and understanding the original meaning. T May was obviously responsible for the start of the Windrush debacle when she was either in power or at the Home Office in about 2005 - 2010. She may be guilty of allowing the continuation of a bad policy from a predecessor.

    Bias must be one of the biggest causes of mental inflexibility and selective hearing. There must be a drug to reduce propensity to bias and thus increase harmony in the world.
    A touch of alcohol perhaps. Would work wonders across the Middle East.
    My part of the Middle East doesn’t suffer from that problem ;)
    We should introduce the stuff to all the “dry” states immediately!
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 6,129
    RobD said:

    ""People who deny climate change... I just think it's the most stupid thing ever," Paul Mc Cartney
    Can't argue with that.

    I thought it was the anthropogenic part that was denied?
    Still the most stupid thing ever.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 44,929
    Mr. Song, you evidently need to pay more attention to Mr. Eagles' utterly feeble grasp of classical history.

    Also, saying something is rubbish/stupid doesn't actually prove or provide evidence for that being the case. It also disregards that science is meant to have varying opinions, and for theories to be put to the test by seeing how well they tally with available information, and being modified as errors are identified, and abandoned if a better model comes along.

    The weird fetish for 'settled science', as if it's a democratic process or as if a majority of scientists can't be infallible, is a failure to understand the basic foundations of science, which is to be sceptical. What matters is being right, not being popular.

    After Newton's death, there was practically no advance in theories of light because he supported one or other (I forget which) of the particle/wave options (today the generally accepted model is duality with elements of both). After all, he was Newton, the great man, he couldn't be wrong. It was almost a religious fetish.

    And so it is with man-made global warming. Climate change has always occurred. From the Triassic to the Jurassic it happened. Even in recorded history, a blink of the eye in geological terms, we've seen significant variations, with warm periods during the reigns of Caligula, Claudius, and Henry VIII, and a very cold period in the latter half of the 17th century.

    It's also idiotic to use a correlation to try and prove causation. As a statistician would remind the class, two factors being very closely correlated can be indicative of x causing y, y causing x, or both being affected by z, an unknown third factor. Correlation, by definition, cannot prove causation (there's a very high correlation between ice-cream sales and drownings. Suggesting ice-creams cause drowning, or vice versa, has the same mathematical potency [that is to say, none] as suggesting a high correlation proves carbon dioxide causes global warming).

    Not to mention the fact that the majority of actions suggested (better fuel efficiency, technological advances, improved insulation) are things both believers and non-believers in the Great God Warmor advocate.

    And yes, you may very well be thinking I'm rambling about this to procrastinate. And you could be correct. And so am I.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 44,929
    Mr. D, your post was a mite more succinct than mine :p
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 19,350

    A very nice map and accompanying blogpost make a good companion for Robert's video:

    Egypt's population could reach 100m any time now....
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 10,879

    Cyclefree said:
    It just adds to the narrative. TM already quoted Chuka at PMQ to Corbyn
    Corbyn won't be bothered in the slightest by criticism from Mandelson. Practically a Tory or Blairite as they used to be known, rich and working for bankers.

    Why, he's the sort of person that might be painted on a mural! (Sarcasm alert).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 19,769
    LOL. It’s the tallest structure in Wiltshire, not exactly difficult to miss it!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 23,038
    Scott_P said:
    Whose dream holiday day trip to Salisbury, which they did on more than one occasion...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 23,038

    Pulpstar said:

    Summary:
    1600 - 35 workers : 65 nonworkers (29 childcare, 29 children, 7 old)
    1950 - 45 workers : 55 nonworkers (18 childcare, 23 children, 14 old)
    2000 - 51 workers : 49 nonworkers (11 childcare, 19 children, 19 old)

    I wonder what proportion are now working in childcare including education?
    About 1% of the population.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 19,350
    matt said:

    philiph said:

    Cyclefree said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    Since you know (and, by the way, how clever of you!) that T May and the Tories are culpable for the Grenfell Tower disaster, why don't you pop along to the head of the inquiry and tell him and his fellow assessors so thus saving a lot of time and public money.

    Mind you, you might find that judges tend to prefer evidence rather than prejudice. But then you must have that evidence, mustn't you, to make such a clear statement about "culpability"?
    Citizens of nowhere is open to interpretation according to context. If your mind is closed to hearing or understanding context there is no hope of learning and understanding the original meaning. T May was obviously responsible for the start of the Windrush debacle when she was either in power or at the Home Office in about 2005 - 2010. She may be guilty of allowing the continuation of a bad policy from a predecessor.

    Bias must be one of the biggest causes of mental inflexibility and selective hearing. There must be a drug to reduce propensity to bias and thus increase harmony in the world.
    A touch of alcohol perhaps. Would work wonders across the Middle East.
    Anyone who thinks there isn't alcohol oiling the wheels of the Middle East doesn't know the Middle East....
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:
    It just adds to the narrative. TM already quoted Chuka at PMQ to Corbyn
    Corbyn won't be bothered in the slightest by criticism from Mandelson. Practically a Tory or Blairite as they used to be known, rich and working for bankers.

    Why, he's the sort of person that might be painted on a mural! (Sarcasm alert).
    It's not that Lord whose said it I believe.... ie wasn't Mandy.

    https://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-mendelsohn/4286
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:
    It just adds to the narrative. TM already quoted Chuka at PMQ to Corbyn
    Corbyn won't be bothered in the slightest by criticism from Mandelson. Practically a Tory or Blairite as they used to be known, rich and working for bankers.

    Why, he's the sort of person that might be painted on a mural! (Sarcasm alert).
    Mendelsohn
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 19,769

    matt said:

    philiph said:

    Cyclefree said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    Since you know (and, by the way, how clever of you!) that T May and the Tories are culpable for the Grenfell Tower disaster, why don't you pop along to the head of the inquiry and tell him and his fellow assessors so thus saving a lot of time and public money.

    Mind you, you might find that judges tend to prefer evidence rather than prejudice. But then you must have that evidence, mustn't you, to make such a clear statement about "culpability"?
    Citizens of nowhere is open to interpretation according to context. If your mind is closed to hearing or understanding context there is no hope of learning and understanding the original meaning. T May was obviously responsible for the start of the Windrush debacle when she was either in power or at the Home Office in about 2005 - 2010. She may be guilty of allowing the continuation of a bad policy from a predecessor.

    Bias must be one of the biggest causes of mental inflexibility and selective hearing. There must be a drug to reduce propensity to bias and thus increase harmony in the world.
    A touch of alcohol perhaps. Would work wonders across the Middle East.
    Anyone who thinks there isn't alcohol oiling the wheels of the Middle East doesn't know the Middle East....
    Speaking of which, it’s beer o’clock in the sandpit. Cheers!
  • Sandpit said:

    matt said:

    philiph said:

    Cyclefree said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    Since you know (and, by the way, how clever of you!) that T May and the Tories are culpable for the Grenfell Tower disaster, why don't you pop along to the head of the inquiry and tell him and his fellow assessors so thus saving a lot of time and public money.

    Mind you, you might find that judges tend to prefer evidence rather than prejudice. But then you must have that evidence, mustn't you, to make such a clear statement about "culpability"?
    Citizens of nowhere is open to interpretation according to context. If your mind is closed to hearing or understanding context there is no hope of learning and understanding the original meaning. T May was obviously responsible for the start of the Windrush debacle when she was either in power or at the Home Office in about 2005 - 2010. She may be guilty of allowing the continuation of a bad policy from a predecessor.

    Bias must be one of the biggest causes of mental inflexibility and selective hearing. There must be a drug to reduce propensity to bias and thus increase harmony in the world.
    A touch of alcohol perhaps. Would work wonders across the Middle East.
    Anyone who thinks there isn't alcohol oiling the wheels of the Middle East doesn't know the Middle East....
    Speaking of which, it’s beer o’clock in the sandpit. Cheers!
    It will be beer o'clock in Blighty soon.
    Wonder how I decided my username?
  • mattmatt Posts: 1,850
    Sandpit said:

    matt said:

    philiph said:

    Cyclefree said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    Since you know (and, by the way, how clever of you!) that T May and the Tories are culpable for the Grenfell Tower disaster, why don't you pop along to the head of the inquiry and tell him and his fellow assessors so thus saving a lot of time and public money.

    Mind you, you might find that judges tend to prefer evidence rather than prejudice. But then you must have that evidence, mustn't you, to make such a clear statement about "culpability"?
    Citizens of nowhere is open to interpretation according to context. If your mind is closed to hearing or understanding context there is no hope of learning and understanding the original meaning. T May was obviously responsible for the start of the Windrush debacle when she was either in power or at the Home Office in about 2005 - 2010. She may be guilty of allowing the continuation of a bad policy from a predecessor.

    Bias must be one of the biggest causes of mental inflexibility and selective hearing. There must be a drug to reduce propensity to bias and thus increase harmony in the world.
    A touch of alcohol perhaps. Would work wonders across the Middle East.
    My part of the Middle East doesn’t suffer from that problem ;)
    We should introduce the stuff to all the “dry” states immediately!
    Sharjah is dreadful.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 44,929
    Mr. Pubgoer, you really like Player Unknown's Battlegrounds, aka PUBG?
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:
    It just adds to the narrative. TM already quoted Chuka at PMQ to Corbyn
    Corbyn won't be bothered in the slightest by criticism from Mandelson. Practically a Tory or Blairite as they used to be known, rich and working for bankers.

    Why, he's the sort of person that might be painted on a mural! (Sarcasm alert).
    I wonder how many of the youngsters in thrall to Corbyn realise the targets of their vitriol were themselves Marxists at their age?

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/08/tony-blair-isnt-only-new-labour-figure-far-left-past
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 19,769
    matt said:

    Sandpit said:

    matt said:

    philiph said:

    Cyclefree said:

    daodao said:

    A propos comments on the previous thread re V.Orban & Fidesz, T.May and the Tories are of the same ilk in their attitudes to non-ethnic Britons when they use phrases such as "citizens of nowhere", in their treatment of Caribbean immigrants and in their culpability for the Grenfell tower disaster. It is only to be expected that most Tory MEPs voted in the way they did yesterday.

    Since you know (and, by the way, how clever of you!) that T May and the Tories are culpable for the Grenfell Tower disaster, why don't you pop along to the head of the inquiry and tell him and his fellow assessors so thus saving a lot of time and public money.

    Mind you, you might find that judges tend to prefer evidence rather than prejudice. But then you must have that evidence, mustn't you, to make such a clear statement about "culpability"?
    Citizens of nowhere is open to interpretation according to context. If your mind is closed to hearing or understanding context there is no hope of learning and understanding the original meaning. T May was obviously responsible for the start of the Windrush debacle when she was either in power or at the Home Office in about 2005 - 2010. She may be guilty of allowing the continuation of a bad policy from a predecessor.

    Bias must be one of the biggest causes of mental inflexibility and selective hearing. There must be a drug to reduce propensity to bias and thus increase harmony in the world.
    A touch of alcohol perhaps. Would work wonders across the Middle East.
    My part of the Middle East doesn’t suffer from that problem ;)
    We should introduce the stuff to all the “dry” states immediately!
    Sharjah is dreadful.
    Indeed, even the cricket stadium is dry. Thankfully for anyone who finds themselves there by accident, £3 in a taxi finds a bar or liquor store in Dubai or Ajman.
  • Mr. Pubgoer, you really like Player Unknown's Battlegrounds, aka PUBG?

    To be fair MD, I haven't really played computer games since my MSX gave up the ghost in the 80's
  • Mr Dancer, as a one time Geologist I can say you are right about most of what you say. There is no doubt there is a lot of hysterical nonsense talked about climate change, often by journos who have not got the first clue. However, where there is a major weakness in your argument, and those who purport to be climate-change sceptics, is that the balance of evidence is heavily in favour of anthropogenic climate change. It does not mean that it is 100% certain. That level of certainty is not possible with Earth Science as there are two many variables.

    We can however say, that rather like with economics, the "experts" are much more likely to be right than the non-experts, whatever the journo-politician Mr Gove would have us believe.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 44,929
    Mr. Pubgoer, Master System?

    Mr. Foremain, we can certainly agree on the hysterical approach of the media. Even with basic things (like the difference between an e-reader and a tablet) they can, and do, make glaring mistakes.
  • Mr. Pubgoer, Master System?

    Mr. Foremain, we can certainly agree on the hysterical approach of the media. Even with basic things (like the difference between an e-reader and a tablet) they can, and do, make glaring mistakes.

    There was a range of Japanese made consuls that were compatible with each other, used basic as an operating system. Mine was a Toshiba iirc
    Nemsis by Konami was my favourite game.
    I looked at a clip of it on You tube a little while ago.
    Looks a touch dated compared with thtoday's offerings
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 44,929
    Mr. Pubgoer, I recall Sega at one time had three out at once (Master System, Mega Drive, and Game Gear, although the latter was a hand-held).
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 5,822
    ha ha

    they really are just taking the piss

    Corbyn will say case closed though
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 45,762
    edited September 13

    RobD said:

    ""People who deny climate change... I just think it's the most stupid thing ever," Paul Mc Cartney
    Can't argue with that.

    I thought it was the anthropogenic part that was denied?
    Still the most stupid thing ever.
    I've just taken a look and UK carbon output per person really isn't so bad. Here are the top nations by absolute output ranked on a per capita basis (+ Qatar)

    47.9 Qatar
    19.6 Saudi Arabia
    16.5 Australia
    16.5 USA
    15.5 Canada
    11.7 South Korea
    11.4 Russia
    9.8 Germany
    9.5 Japan
    8.4 S Africa
    8.2 Iran
    7.2 China
    6 Italy
    5.9 UK
    5.3 France
    5.1 Turkey
    Source: http://www.globalcarbonatlas.org/en/CO2-emissions
    Poland is 8.3 tonnes/person, Sweden 4.6, Croatia 4.3, Iceland and Norway both over 10.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 18,996
    edited September 13
    According to this article, the two Russian connoisseurs of Early English Gothic architecture have passport numbers which differ only by one digit:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/13/skripals-russia-putin-salisbury-poisoning-suspects-interview
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 6,129

    Mr. Song, you evidently need to pay more attention to Mr. Eagles' utterly feeble grasp of classical history.

    Also, saying something is rubbish/stupid doesn't actually prove or provide evidence for that being the case. It also disregards that science is meant to have varying opinions, and for theories to be put to the test by seeing how well they tally with available information, and being modified as errors are identified, and abandoned if a better model comes along.

    The weird fetish for 'settled science', as if it's a democratic process or as if a majority of scientists can't be infallible, is a failure to understand the basic foundations of science, which is to be sceptical. What matters is being right, not being popular.

    After Newton's death, there was practically no advance in theories of light because he supported one or other (I forget which) of the particle/wave options (today the generally accepted model is duality with elements of both). After all, he was Newton, the great man, he couldn't be wrong. It was almost a religious fetish.

    And so it is with man-made global warming. Climate change has always occurred. From the Triassic to the Jurassic it happened. Even in recorded history, a blink of the eye in geological terms, we've seen significant variations, with warm periods during the reigns of Caligula, Claudius, and Henry VIII, and a very cold period in the latter half of the 17th century.

    It's also idiotic to use a correlation to try and prove causation. As a statistician would remind the class, two factors being very closely correlated can be indicative of x causing y, y causing x, or both being affected by z, an unknown third factor. Correlation, by definition, cannot prove causation (there's a very high correlation between ice-cream sales and drownings. Suggesting ice-creams cause drowning, or vice versa, has the same mathematical potency [that is to say, none] as suggesting a high correlation proves carbon dioxide causes global warming).

    Not to mention the fact that the majority of actions suggested (better fuel efficiency, technological advances, improved insulation) are things both believers and non-believers in the Great God Warmor advocate.

    And yes, you may very well be thinking I'm rambling about this to procrastinate. And you could be correct. And so am I.

    I agree with a lot of what you say, science is never settled and should always be challenged.
    Newton was right up to a point, what came later added to scientific knowledge. Your correlation/causation paragraph is right too, although irrelevant to our discussion.
    We shouldn't give equal weight to everyone's opinion. Cigarette smoking does cause lung cancer, the moon landings were real, autism isn't caused by the mmr vaccine and anthropogenic climate change is real.
    Paul McCartney considers climate change deniers to be stupid and I agree.Pity one of them is the US President.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Genuinely laughed out loud with that one :D
    Twitter title suggestions:

    From Russia with Nov

    :D
    This is taking G4P to whole new level.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 23,003
    China's median age has already overtaken the USA's and is about to overtake the UK's in the next year or so.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 20,197

    Went to the democracy road show last night. 57 in favour of open selection 1 against. Newsnight tonight will fail to report that. Desperate to get negative quotes. The young bloke with glasses provided them with an alternative opinion. You couldn't go for a piss without them sticking a microphone in your face. Very bad idea to invite them along methinks.

    You’re right. Press TV is a better option
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