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  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 14,922
    True. You have to assume that they really weren't all that bothered about pursuing the complaint, for whatever reason.

    And first.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 22,080
    Well quite, on all counts.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 12,038
    Third like Boris. Would have been first if not for Vanilla
  • Agree.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 31,402
    I blame the deep state zionists....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 31,402
    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 48,468

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 31,402
    edited October 5
    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 20,361
    They can always re-open the complaint once the People's Commissars are in place and have powers to shut down any newspaper which dares criticise the Dear Leader.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 46,510
    Oh dear. Their paperwork was so late, Corbyn accidentally found himself laying a wreath for it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 31,402

    Oh dear. Their paperwork was so late, Corbyn accidentally found himself laying a wreath for it.

    He was there, but didn't take part...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 48,468

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 46,510
    Mr. Urquhart, "He was there, but didn't take part..."

    Sounds like a eunuch at an orgy.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 31,402
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 2,644
    Surprised nobody on here has picked up on this. Wales taking advantage of EU funding.

    https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/eu-funding-secured-for-south-wales-metro-project.html
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 12,883

    Surprised nobody on here has picked up on this. Wales taking advantage of EU funding.

    https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/eu-funding-secured-for-south-wales-metro-project.html

    Plaid Cymru are asking whether similar funds will be available from London after Brexit.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 48,468

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 2,644

    Surprised nobody on here has picked up on this. Wales taking advantage of EU funding.

    https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/eu-funding-secured-for-south-wales-metro-project.html

    Plaid Cymru are asking whether similar funds will be available from London after Brexit.
    QTWTAIN
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 26,072

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 18,042
    Not sure this has been posted. How we could drift into an election this autumn:

    http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/10/04/roadmap-to-chaos-how-a-general-election-could-happen-by-acci
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 16,161

    Surprised nobody on here has picked up on this. Wales taking advantage of EU funding.

    https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/eu-funding-secured-for-south-wales-metro-project.html

    Plaid Cymru are asking whether similar funds will be available from London after Brexit.
    Surely Plaid Cymru should want to secure funding from Cardiff? Doesn't it believe in Wales being free from London?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 14,922

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I think that would be the first time in the 229 years of the SCOTUS that there would have been a tied vote. The closest up to now was James Garfield's sole nomination of Stanley Matthews (!), resubmitted after Hayes' term expired, which was carried by a single vote, 24-23.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 10,386
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 46,510
    Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.

    The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 5,600

    Surprised nobody on here has picked up on this. Wales taking advantage of EU funding.

    https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/eu-funding-secured-for-south-wales-metro-project.html

    So how does *that* work?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 16,161

    Surprised nobody on here has picked up on this. Wales taking advantage of EU funding.

    https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/eu-funding-secured-for-south-wales-metro-project.html

    So how does *that* work?
    The UK's eligible to apply until we leave. Funding may continue even after we leave for a couple of years - but don't forget its our own money returned (reduced) back to us. It's not like German taxpayers are backing Wales.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 34,709

    Surprised nobody on here has picked up on this. Wales taking advantage of EU funding.

    https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/eu-funding-secured-for-south-wales-metro-project.html

    So how does *that* work?
    The EU are being generous and letting us spend some of our own money on Wales?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 22,080

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    I wasn't being serious. I could never identify with a man who drinks martinis shaken not stirred.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 24,004
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 14,922

    Not sure this has been posted. How we could drift into an election this autumn:

    http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/10/04/roadmap-to-chaos-how-a-general-election-could-happen-by-acci

    It's an argument worth keeping in mind but it still relies on either rebel Tories or the DUP voting against the government on a vote of no confidence. I really don't think that's credible.

    The DUP have made their red lines clear and would no doubt do so again before it came to finalising an agreement - I can't see why May would cross them, given both that knowledge and her own unionist instincts.

    Similarly, unless they defect or resign the whip first, no (current) Con MP will vote against their own party - and hence bring about instant expulsion - on what's essentially a 5-line whip.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 5,600

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    He also drove a car backwards using a mobile whilst being strafed from a helicopter. It was the one with the caviar factory and (I think) finished in Istanbul.
  • Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    I wasn't being serious. I could never identify with a man who drinks martinis shaken not stirred.
    You are Jed Bartlet and I claim my five pounds.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 12,883

    Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.

    The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.

    AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 26,072

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    He also drove a car backwards using a mobile whilst being strafed from a helicopter. It was the one with the caviar factory and (I think) finished in Istanbul.
    He did it from a remote keypad in Tomorrow Never Dies in a Hamburg car park too.

    I’m pretty sure he did so nifty reversing in Goldfinger and Diamonds are Forever too.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 26,072

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    I wasn't being serious. I could never identify with a man who drinks martinis shaken not stirred.
    Ouch.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 26,072

    Surprised nobody on here has picked up on this. Wales taking advantage of EU funding.

    https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/eu-funding-secured-for-south-wales-metro-project.html

    Is that the funding that we send to Brussels and that we’re supposed to be grateful for when we get (some) of it back from them in a way they choose?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 48,468
    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
    Why is Collins going to announce how she'll vote if it isn't to change her mind ?
    Does she enjoy the sound of her own voice ?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 18,773

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    Time for a LBQT+ Islamic Bond.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 12,883
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
    Why is Collins going to announce how she'll vote if it isn't to change her mind ?
    Does she enjoy the sound of her own voice ?
    She’s a politician......
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 24,004

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    I wasn't being serious. I could never identify with a man who drinks martinis shaken not stirred.
    You are Jed Bartlet and I claim my five pounds.

    "Shaken not stirred" was always just a silly pun.

    I may be shaken but I'm not stirred from my purpose...
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 10,386
    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
    Does he? Polling suggests voting to confirm depresses the Dem base as much as it gains independents and Republicans.

    Losing your volunteer army in a close race seems like a bad move.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 24,004

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    He also drove a car backwards using a mobile whilst being strafed from a helicopter. It was the one with the caviar factory and (I think) finished in Istanbul.
    He did it from a remote keypad in Tomorrow Never Dies in a Hamburg car park too.

    I’m pretty sure he did so nifty reversing in Goldfinger and Diamonds are Forever too.
    You made it to the end of Diamonds Are Forever? You have a greater crap threshold than me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 8,733
    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
    A vote to confirm Kavanaugh isn't 'bipartisan', though. This isn't Gorsuch - it's someone who will discredit the Court for a generation.
    If Manchin is that craven, Democrats might as well not bother to vote for him anyway.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 10,386
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
    Why is Collins going to announce how she'll vote if it isn't to change her mind ?
    Does she enjoy the sound of her own voice ?
    Jeff Flake sad tweet style. Give a big long speech decrying partisanship as cover for her Yes vote.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 8,733
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
    Why is Collins going to announce how she'll vote if it isn't to change her mind ?
    Does she enjoy the sound of her own voice ?
    Still struggling to work out how best to save her seat in 2020, I guess.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    I wasn't being serious. I could never identify with a man who drinks martinis shaken not stirred.
    You are Jed Bartlet and I claim my five pounds.

    "Shaken not stirred" was always just a silly pun.

    I may be shaken but I'm not stirred from my purpose...
    I’m so glad that as a good Muslim boy that I never ordered a martini shaken not stirred that one time I was tempted to do so.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 24,004
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
    A vote to confirm Kavanaugh isn't 'bipartisan', though. This isn't Gorsuch - it's someone who will discredit the Court for a generation.
    If Manchin is that craven, Democrats might as well not bother to vote for him anyway.
    West Virginia voted for Donald Trump by... oohhhh... 42 points.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 19,620
    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 2,898

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    I wasn't being serious. I could never identify with a man who drinks martinis shaken not stirred.
    You are Jed Bartlet and I claim my five pounds.

    Bartlet is only half right. If you shake a martini with enough ice, then double strain it, it won't dilute much because almost all of the ice remains frozen. But it's a bit brutal on the botanicals in the gin, hence why they are usually stirred instead.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 8,733
    Anyway, off to the pub.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 8,733
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
    A vote to confirm Kavanaugh isn't 'bipartisan', though. This isn't Gorsuch - it's someone who will discredit the Court for a generation.
    If Manchin is that craven, Democrats might as well not bother to vote for him anyway.
    West Virginia voted for Donald Trump by... oohhhh... 42 points.
    So what ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 24,004
    On the subject of West Virginia, Richard Ojeda appears to be leading in a district where Trump won by more than 50 percentage points: https://www.emerson.edu/office-of-communications/media-relations/press-releases/emerson-e-poll-manchin-leads-12-points-west-virginia-senate-race-democrats-look-take-1-possibly-2-house-seats#.W7eIxmhKjZu


  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 24,004
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
    A vote to confirm Kavanaugh isn't 'bipartisan', though. This isn't Gorsuch - it's someone who will discredit the Court for a generation.
    If Manchin is that craven, Democrats might as well not bother to vote for him anyway.
    West Virginia voted for Donald Trump by... oohhhh... 42 points.
    So what ?
    My point being that there aren't that many Democrats to demotivate, and there are a lot of Republicans he needs to woo.
  • TGOHF said:

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    Time for a LBQT+ Islamic Bond.
    Would it be a Christmas film though?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 12,883
    rcs1000 said:
    Bit diffident about posting this, given the thread header but is this story really kosher?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 6,552

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    FTSE Down 1.35%
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 12,883
    Nigelb said:

    Anyway, off to the pub.


    Most sensible post for ages!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 10,386
    rcs1000 said:
    Manchin gets the backing of female voters very strongly I notice.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,420

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    FTSE Down 1.35%
    The pound and the FTSE 100 are two kids on a seesaw.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 12,883

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    You’ve every right to be. Could be a demanding post. Well done her!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 19,620

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    You’ve every right to be. Could be a demanding post. Well done her!
    Thanks OKC. She has fought anxiety for years and is in a good place just now, bless her
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 26,072
    rcs1000 said:

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    He also drove a car backwards using a mobile whilst being strafed from a helicopter. It was the one with the caviar factory and (I think) finished in Istanbul.
    He did it from a remote keypad in Tomorrow Never Dies in a Hamburg car park too.

    I’m pretty sure he did so nifty reversing in Goldfinger and Diamonds are Forever too.
    You made it to the end of Diamonds Are Forever? You have a greater crap threshold than me.
    It’s not a film I return to regularly.

    It’s camper than Benny Hill.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 6,552
    John_M said:

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    FTSE Down 1.35%
    The pound and the FTSE 100 are two kids on a seesaw.
    Yes.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 5,823
    edited October 5

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    This afternoon's rise in the pound against the Euro has saved my family two pence! (Edit: And now a further eight pence!)

    I will shortly be heading to the drinks cabinet to celebrate.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 24,004

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    FTSE Down 1.35%
    Equities are generally weak (globally), and the FTSE is inversely correlated with the GBP/USD exchange rate.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 22,228

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    He also drove a car backwards using a mobile whilst being strafed from a helicopter. It was the one with the caviar factory and (I think) finished in Istanbul.
    He did it from a remote keypad in Tomorrow Never Dies in a Hamburg car park too.

    I’m pretty sure he did so nifty reversing in Goldfinger and Diamonds are Forever too.
    Oh God, don't mention that car park scene. A company I worked at had that running on a permanent loop testing MPEG decode, and it was always blooming distracting having it on a screen in the background. It made me hate Brosnan's gurning face.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,420

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    This afternoon's rise in the pound against the Euro has saved my family two pence! (Edit: And now a further eight pence!)

    I will shortly be heading to the drinks cabinet to celebrate.
    #despiteBrexit
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 48,503

    Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.

    The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.

    Wales also voted Leave, you can now make a greater case for wealthy, Remain voting London to become a city state a la Singapore than for poorer, Leave voting Wales to go independent
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 48,503

    Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.

    The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.

    AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
    A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 2,644

    Surprised nobody on here has picked up on this. Wales taking advantage of EU funding.

    https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/eu-funding-secured-for-south-wales-metro-project.html

    Is that the funding that we send to Brussels and that we’re supposed to be grateful for when we get (some) of it back from them in a way they choose?
    Well that is one way of looking at it. Another way is that having a supranational budget is a good way of making sure that infrastructure that benefits the whole continent gets funded even if it is beyond the pocket of the local authorities. Pretty much what governments have been doing since civilisation was invented.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 19,620
    HYUFD said:

    Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.

    The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.

    AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
    A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
    Plaid 'who' here in Wales.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 31,787

    Well quite, on all counts.

    FPT - on James Bond reversing, you obviously haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only.
    I wasn't being serious. I could never identify with a man who drinks martinis shaken not stirred.
    Fair comment.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 48,503
    rcs1000 said:
    West Virginia had the biggest Trump victory margin of any state in the US in 2016.

    However it is not a staunch Republican state, indeed Bill Clinton won it in 1992 and 1996, it is full of blue collar, white working class voters and can be won by a Democrat who can appeal to them as Manchin has and Ojeda may
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 48,503
    edited October 5

    HYUFD said:

    Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.

    The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.

    AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
    A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
    Plaid 'who' here in Wales.
    They are still largely stuck in their West Coast and Anglesey heartland
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 5,823
    John_M said:

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    This afternoon's rise in the pound against the Euro has saved my family two pence! (Edit: And now a further eight pence!)

    I will shortly be heading to the drinks cabinet to celebrate.
    #despiteBrexit
    Compared to the pre-referendum exchange rate we lost £1.75 this afternoon.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 5,600
    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Its seems a democrat voted with the GOP on Kavanaugh to proceed to the final vote.

    Manchin (D), West Virginia
    Isn't clear if he just didn't fancy 30hrs of bollocks and will ultimately vote against or not.
    Reported that he will vote the same way in final vote. I think Collins switches, which makes it 50-50. Assuming Flake will vote Yes.
    I don't see why Flake would change either. So Mike Pence then has the casting vote, so Trump gets his man in.
    I'd order the senators as follows:

    Likeliest to vote "Yes"

    Flake -> Manchin -> Collins -> Murkowski
    It would now be insane for Murkowski to vote Yes. Given the native tribes don't like Kavanaugh and her write in victory was greatly helped by her support from the Inuit and the like she would be shouting herself in the foot to do so.
    If it looks certain that Kavanaugh will be confirmed, then Manchin would be mad not to back him. WV is a tough race, and he needs to look bipartisan.
    It depends whether the Democrats believe that Kavanaugh is a huge, massive threat to the legal fabric of their nation. If they do believe that then they should instruct their man to vote against Kavanaugh and, if he loses in West Virginia, well that is the price for keeping Kavanaugh out.

    Cake - Have* / Eat*

    * delete as appropriate
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 23,277
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:
    West Virginia had the biggest Trump victory margin of any state in the US in 2016.

    However it is not a staunch Republican state, indeed Bill Clinton won it in 1992 and 1996, it is full of blue collar, white working class voters and can be won by a Democrat who can appeal to them as Manchin has and Ojeda may
    I remember being very impressed with Ojeda’s videos and speeches when Robert drew him to our attention. How he is in the same party as Hilary is a bit beyond me. He had none of the coastal liberalism about him at all. Indeed I found positive comments about Trump who he got far more than most in his party.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,420

    John_M said:

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    This afternoon's rise in the pound against the Euro has saved my family two pence! (Edit: And now a further eight pence!)

    I will shortly be heading to the drinks cabinet to celebrate.
    #despiteBrexit
    Compared to the pre-referendum exchange rate we lost £1.75 this afternoon.
    My tongue was firmly in cheek, though obviously now saddened by your loss.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 24,004
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:
    West Virginia had the biggest Trump victory margin of any state in the US in 2016.

    However it is not a staunch Republican state, indeed Bill Clinton won it in 1992 and 1996, it is full of blue collar, white working class voters and can be won by a Democrat who can appeal to them as Manchin has and Ojeda may
    I remember being very impressed with Ojeda’s videos and speeches when Robert drew him to our attention. How he is in the same party as Hilary is a bit beyond me. He had none of the coastal liberalism about him at all. Indeed I found positive comments about Trump who he got far more than most in his party.
    Ojeda is a populist, working class Democrat of the old school. And he's in the same party as Hillary because he is more interested in pay rises for teachers, than in lowering capital gains taxes.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 46,510
    Mr. Eagles, little unfair on the Russia story as that was last minute for the polling period.

    However, I'm surprised the Pret story wasn't more noticed, given how many days it ran.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 46,510
    Anyway, off now, but don't forget qualifying's early. I have a bad habit of frequently waking up in time for either qualifying or the race, but not the other, so we'll see how this weekend goes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 48,503
    edited October 5
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:
    West Virginia had the biggest Trump victory margin of any state in the US in 2016.

    However it is not a staunch Republican state, indeed Bill Clinton won it in 1992 and 1996, it is full of blue collar, white working class voters and can be won by a Democrat who can appeal to them as Manchin has and Ojeda may
    I remember being very impressed with Ojeda’s videos and speeches when Robert drew him to our attention. How he is in the same party as Hilary is a bit beyond me. He had none of the coastal liberalism about him at all. Indeed I found positive comments about Trump who he got far more than most in his party.
    Though you could say the same of the GOP now which ranges from country club moderates like HW Bush and Romney to Trump and Cruz populists.

    In 1988 for example George HW Bush won California, which had the highest percentage Hillary vote in 2016, while Dukakis won West Virginia, which had the highest percentage Trump vote
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 23,277
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:
    West Virginia had the biggest Trump victory margin of any state in the US in 2016.

    However it is not a staunch Republican state, indeed Bill Clinton won it in 1992 and 1996, it is full of blue collar, white working class voters and can be won by a Democrat who can appeal to them as Manchin has and Ojeda may
    I remember being very impressed with Ojeda’s videos and speeches when Robert drew him to our attention. How he is in the same party as Hilary is a bit beyond me. He had none of the coastal liberalism about him at all. Indeed I found positive comments about Trump who he got far more than most in his party.
    Though you could say the same of the GOP now which ranges from country club moderates like HW Bush and Romney to Trump and Cruz populists.

    In 1988 for example George HW Bush won California, which had the highest percentage Hillary vote in 2016, while Dukakis won West Virginia, which had the highest percentage Trump vote
    Oh true enough. I just liked Ojeda’s style. He really cared about what actually affected his people. You didn’t get the impression that he spent a long time thinking about gender neutral toilets.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 48,503
    UK's super rich start to move assets out of the country and make plans to move to Monaco, Switzerland and the US if Corbyn becomes PM

    https://www.ft.com/content/a1b456d4-c72c-11e8-ba8f-ee390057b8c9
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 48,503
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:
    West Virginia had the biggest Trump victory margin of any state in the US in 2016.

    However it is not a staunch Republican state, indeed Bill Clinton won it in 1992 and 1996, it is full of blue collar, white working class voters and can be won by a Democrat who can appeal to them as Manchin has and Ojeda may
    I remember being very impressed with Ojeda’s videos and speeches when Robert drew him to our attention. How he is in the same party as Hilary is a bit beyond me. He had none of the coastal liberalism about him at all. Indeed I found positive comments about Trump who he got far more than most in his party.
    Though you could say the same of the GOP now which ranges from country club moderates like HW Bush and Romney to Trump and Cruz populists.

    In 1988 for example George HW Bush won California, which had the highest percentage Hillary vote in 2016, while Dukakis won West Virginia, which had the highest percentage Trump vote
    Oh true enough. I just liked Ojeda’s style. He really cared about what actually affected his people. You didn’t get the impression that he spent a long time thinking about gender neutral toilets.
    Shows the value of picking candidates to suit the area
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 2,644
    HYUFD said:

    UK's super rich start to move assets out of the country and make plans to move to Monaco, Switzerland and the US if Corbyn becomes PM

    https://www.ft.com/content/a1b456d4-c72c-11e8-ba8f-ee390057b8c9

    Project Fear.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 34,709

    HYUFD said:

    UK's super rich start to move assets out of the country and make plans to move to Monaco, Switzerland and the US if Corbyn becomes PM

    https://www.ft.com/content/a1b456d4-c72c-11e8-ba8f-ee390057b8c9

    Project Fear.
    Wouldn't Corbyn rejoice at this news?
  • linkriderlinkrider Posts: 11
    Whether judges should be 'independently' appointed or straight political appointees might be a suitable subject for an article by one of PBs erudite contributors?
    It's fascinating that the 'Democrats' were content to excuse Blowjob Bill's indiscretions but find ancient allegations against a Republican to be so damming?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 23,277
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:
    West Virginia had the biggest Trump victory margin of any state in the US in 2016.

    However it is not a staunch Republican state, indeed Bill Clinton won it in 1992 and 1996, it is full of blue collar, white working class voters and can be won by a Democrat who can appeal to them as Manchin has and Ojeda may
    I remember being very impressed with Ojeda’s videos and speeches when Robert drew him to our attention. How he is in the same party as Hilary is a bit beyond me. He had none of the coastal liberalism about him at all. Indeed I found positive comments about Trump who he got far more than most in his party.
    Though you could say the same of the GOP now which ranges from country club moderates like HW Bush and Romney to Trump and Cruz populists.

    In 1988 for example George HW Bush won California, which had the highest percentage Hillary vote in 2016, while Dukakis won West Virginia, which had the highest percentage Trump vote
    Oh true enough. I just liked Ojeda’s style. He really cared about what actually affected his people. You didn’t get the impression that he spent a long time thinking about gender neutral toilets.
    Shows the value of picking candidates to suit the area
    I’m trying to think of the area Hillary was supposed to suit. Upper west side and, possibly, San Francisco?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 9,727
    linkrider said:

    Whether judges should be 'independently' appointed or straight political appointees might be a suitable subject for an article by one of PBs erudite contributors?
    It's fascinating that the 'Democrats' were content to excuse Blowjob Bill's indiscretions but find ancient allegations against a Republican to be so damming?

    It is surely more fascinating that one of the young Republican lawyers after Clinton was none other than Kavanaugh himself.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 21,008

    Been out and have come home to see the US is as divided as ever

    As we are but maybe light at the end of the tunnel. Pound rising strongly - now 1.14 euros

    Also my daughter has just be appointed a mental health first aider in her department at the DWP.

    Really quite proud of her

    FTSE Down 1.35%
    A casual reader might connect that with his daughter’s appointment
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 1,808

    Not sure this has been posted. How we could drift into an election this autumn:

    http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/10/04/roadmap-to-chaos-how-a-general-election-could-happen-by-acci

    It's an argument worth keeping in mind but it still relies on either rebel Tories or the DUP voting against the government on a vote of no confidence. I really don't think that's credible.

    The DUP have made their red lines clear and would no doubt do so again before it came to finalising an agreement - I can't see why May would cross them, given both that knowledge and her own unionist instincts.

    Similarly, unless they defect or resign the whip first, no (current) Con MP will vote against their own party - and hence bring about instant expulsion - on what's essentially a 5-line whip.
    Only scenario I can think of along those lines is May expects Labour rebels/abstainers to counter the DUP on a Brexit vote, doesn't expect the DUP to actually go through with a vonc, and they do. Still very unlikely though, and I imagine it'd just end up with her removed as leader
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 48,503
    Erdogan suggests a referendum on whether Turkey should continue to apply to join the EU

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1ME26K
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 21,008
    I must have missed the referendum in September. What was it about?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 48,503
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:
    West Virginia had the biggest Trump victory margin of any state in the US in 2016.

    However it is not a staunch Republican state, indeed Bill Clinton won it in 1992 and 1996, it is full of blue collar, white working class voters and can be won by a Democrat who can appeal to them as Manchin has and Ojeda may
    I remember being very impressed with Ojeda’s videos and speeches when Robert drew him to our attention. How he is in the same party as Hilary is a bit beyond me. He had none of the coastal liberalism about him at all. Indeed I found positive comments about Trump who he got far more than most in his party.
    Though you could say the same of the GOP now which ranges from country club moderates like HW Bush and Romney to Trump and Cruz populists.

    In 1988 for example George HW Bush won California, which had the highest percentage Hillary vote in 2016, while Dukakis won West Virginia, which had the highest percentage Trump vote
    Oh true enough. I just liked Ojeda’s style. He really cared about what actually affected his people. You didn’t get the impression that he spent a long time thinking about gender neutral toilets.
    Shows the value of picking candidates to suit the area
    I’m trying to think of the area Hillary was supposed to suit. Upper west side and, possibly, San Francisco?
    To be fair to Hillary she did better than Obama in Texas as well as California
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