Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.
The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.
AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
Plaid 'who' here in Wales.
They are still largely stuck in their West Coast and Anglesey heartland
New Plaid leader on Today this morning. Advocating early independence. Totally flummoxed when asked how to bridge the £15bn gap between public spending and tax take in Wales. For reference the current Welsh govt budget for their share of devolved public spending is £15bn.
Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.
The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.
AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
Plaid 'who' here in Wales.
They are still largely stuck in their West Coast and Anglesey heartland
New Plaid leader on Today this morning. Advocating early independence. Totally flummoxed when asked how to bridge the £15bn gap between public spending and tax take in Wales. For reference the current Welsh govt budget for their share of devolved public spending is £15bn.
And Wales doesn't have oil or whisky.
I know it’s cloud cuckoo land.
He’s bright is Mr Price and he’s trying to galavanise an ossified debate ( on independence) by being radical.
But it’s just bollocks. A huge percentage of the population lives within commuting distance of England and if you start radically diverging tax the inevitable problems will follow.
How the hell he thinks he can bridge the tax/spending gap of that magnitude is beyond me.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Really pleased to see the Yazidi girl and the Congolese doctor win the Nobel Peace prize. The suffering of women in war is often overlooked and it is really good to see those trying to do something about it being honoured for their efforts.
It is, I think, a little bit too easy for women in the West to focus on the issues they face while ignoring the very much worse brutality endured by nameless women in far away countries. The Yazidis in particular have suffered appallingly - being subject to genocidal brutality by IS scum - and too many of those who make a big show of claiming how they are on the side of the oppressed have turned their faces away from this forgotten minority.
Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.
The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.
AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
Plaid 'who' here in Wales.
They are still largely stuck in their West Coast and Anglesey heartland
New Plaid leader on Today this morning. Advocating early independence. Totally flummoxed when asked how to bridge the £15bn gap between public spending and tax take in Wales. For reference the current Welsh govt budget for their share of devolved public spending is £15bn.
And Wales doesn't have oil or whisky.
I know it’s cloud cuckoo land.
He’s bright is Mr Price and he’s trying to galavanise an ossified debate ( on independence) by being radical.
But it’s just bollocks. A huge percentage of the population lives within commuting distance of England and if you start radically diverging tax the inevitable problems will follow.
How the hell he thinks he can bridge the tax/spending gap of that magnitude is beyond me.
Soverignty may be more important to Welsh voters than economics. The result of the Brexit votes suggests that is the case.
Really pleased to see the Yazidi girl and the Congolese doctor win the Nobel Peace prize. The suffering of women in war is often overlooked and it is really good to see those trying to do something about it being honoured for their efforts.
It is, I think, a little bit too easy for women in the West to focus on the issues they face while ignoring the very much worse brutality endured by nameless women in far away countries. The Yazidis in particular have suffered appallingly - being subject to genocidal brutality by IS scum - and too many of those who make a big show of claiming how they are on the side of the oppressed have turned their faces away from this forgotten minority.
+1. She gave just amazingly courageous testimony, and he's living the Hippocratic oath to the ultimate. People like that give hope for the human race.
Incidentally, Betfair had lots of punters on the selection who were clearly unaware of the Norwegian Nobel committee penchant for picking out less-known heroes, and bet that they'd give the prize to Donald Trump. As I said a couple of months ago, this was free money to lay, and so it's proved.
Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.
The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.
AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
Plaid 'who' here in Wales.
They are still largely stuck in their West Coast and Anglesey heartland
New Plaid leader on Today this morning. Advocating early independence. Totally flummoxed when asked how to bridge the £15bn gap between public spending and tax take in Wales. For reference the current Welsh govt budget for their share of devolved public spending is £15bn.
And Wales doesn't have oil or whisky.
I know it’s cloud cuckoo land.
He’s bright is Mr Price and he’s trying to galavanise an ossified debate ( on independence) by being radical.
But it’s just bollocks. A huge percentage of the population lives within commuting distance of England and if you start radically diverging tax the inevitable problems will follow.
How the hell he thinks he can bridge the tax/spending gap of that magnitude is beyond me.
Soverignty may be more important to Welsh voters than economics. The result of the Brexit votes suggests that is the case.
That is always a possibility, but surely there is little indication to date that Welsh voters are even close to thinking that? PC are not exactly knocking on the door like the SNP are, and even with a massive surge would still be a long way back from convincing the public to accept such a hit.
Really pleased to see the Yazidi girl and the Congolese doctor win the Nobel Peace prize. The suffering of women in war is often overlooked and it is really good to see those trying to do something about it being honoured for their efforts.
It is, I think, a little bit too easy for women in the West to focus on the issues they face while ignoring the very much worse brutality endured by nameless women in far away countries. The Yazidis in particular have suffered appallingly - being subject to genocidal brutality by IS scum - and too many of those who make a big show of claiming how they are on the side of the oppressed have turned their faces away from this forgotten minority.
+1. She gave just amazingly courageous testimony, and he's living the Hippocratic oath to the ultimate. People like that give hope for the human race.
Incidentally, Betfair had lots of punters on the selection who were clearly unaware of the Norwegian Nobel committee penchant for picking out less-known heroes, and bet that they'd give the prize to Donald Trump. As I said a couple of months ago, this was free money to lay, and so it's proved.
I've no view on these people. However I can't see why they won a 'Peace prize' - admittedly I see it as a compromised idea anyway.
Rename it a Nobel 'Humanity Prize' or something. Or better still just make it without name.
Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.
The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.
AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
Plaid 'who' here in Wales.
They are still largely stuck in their West Coast and Anglesey heartland
New Plaid leader on Today this morning. Advocating early independence. Totally flummoxed when asked how to bridge the £15bn gap between public spending and tax take in Wales. For reference the current Welsh govt budget for their share of devolved public spending is £15bn.
And Wales doesn't have oil or whisky.
I know it’s cloud cuckoo land.
He’s bright is Mr Price and he’s trying to galavanise an ossified debate ( on independence) by being radical.
But it’s just bollocks. A huge percentage of the population lives within commuting distance of England and if you start radically diverging tax the inevitable problems will follow.
How the hell he thinks he can bridge the tax/spending gap of that magnitude is beyond me.
Soverignty may be more important to Welsh voters than economics. The result of the Brexit votes suggests that is the case.
Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.
The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.
AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
Plaid 'who' here in Wales.
They are still largely stuck in their West Coast and Anglesey heartland
New Plaid leader on Today this morning. Advocating early independence. Totally flummoxed when asked how to bridge the £15bn gap between public spending and tax take in Wales. For reference the current Welsh govt budget for their share of devolved public spending is £15bn.
And Wales doesn't have oil or whisky.
I know it’s cloud cuckoo land.
He’s bright is Mr Price and he’s trying to galavanise an ossified debate ( on independence) by being radical.
But it’s just bollocks. A huge percentage of the population lives within commuting distance of England and if you start radically diverging tax the inevitable problems will follow.
How the hell he thinks he can bridge the tax/spending gap of that magnitude is beyond me.
Soverignty may be more important to Welsh voters than economics. The result of the Brexit votes suggests that is the case.
That is always a possibility, but surely there is little indication to date that Welsh voters are even close to thinking that? PC are not exactly knocking on the door like the SNP are, and even with a massive surge would still be a long way back from convincing the public to accept such a hit.
They are largely a fringe and rural/language/North West Wales interest - and bitterly divided internally at present. Still, they are healthier than the Lib Dems in Wales.
Really pleased to see the Yazidi girl and the Congolese doctor win the Nobel Peace prize. The suffering of women in war is often overlooked and it is really good to see those trying to do something about it being honoured for their efforts.
It is, I think, a little bit too easy for women in the West to focus on the issues they face while ignoring the very much worse brutality endured by nameless women in far away countries. The Yazidis in particular have suffered appallingly - being subject to genocidal brutality by IS scum - and too many of those who make a big show of claiming how they are on the side of the oppressed have turned their faces away from this forgotten minority.
+1. She gave just amazingly courageous testimony, and he's living the Hippocratic oath to the ultimate. People like that give hope for the human race.
Incidentally, Betfair had lots of punters on the selection who were clearly unaware of the Norwegian Nobel committee penchant for picking out less-known heroes, and bet that they'd give the prize to Donald Trump. As I said a couple of months ago, this was free money to lay, and so it's proved.
I've no view on these people. However I can't see why they won a 'Peace prize' - admittedly I see it as a compromised idea anyway.
Rename it a Nobel 'Humanity Prize' or something. Or better still just make it without name.
Their actions are bringing hope to those traumatised by what they have endured. They are trying in a way to bring peace to peoples’ lives. And that is very important, not just for its own sake, healing those who have been harmed, but because it plays some small part in stopping a cycle of violence from continuing. And by speaking up it may make the rest of us realise that this ought to be stopped, can be stopped and that there is some hope for those harmed by it.
It may not be peace in the old-fashioned signing a big treaty at a table way but it recognises and encourages those who are trying to provide practical help to those who have suffered unimaginably.
Far more worthy IMO than massaging the egos of politicians, whatever you call the prize.
Really pleased to see the Yazidi girl and the Congolese doctor win the Nobel Peace prize. The suffering of women in war is often overlooked and it is really good to see those trying to do something about it being honoured for their efforts.
It is, I think, a little bit too easy for women in the West to focus on the issues they face while ignoring the very much worse brutality endured by nameless women in far away countries. The Yazidis in particular have suffered appallingly - being subject to genocidal brutality by IS scum - and too many of those who make a big show of claiming how they are on the side of the oppressed have turned their faces away from this forgotten minority.
+1. She gave just amazingly courageous testimony, and he's living the Hippocratic oath to the ultimate. People like that give hope for the human race.
Incidentally, Betfair had lots of punters on the selection who were clearly unaware of the Norwegian Nobel committee penchant for picking out less-known heroes, and bet that they'd give the prize to Donald Trump. As I said a couple of months ago, this was free money to lay, and so it's proved.
I've no view on these people. However I can't see why they won a 'Peace prize' - admittedly I see it as a compromised idea anyway.
Rename it a Nobel 'Humanity Prize' or something. Or better still just make it without name.
Their actions are bringing hope to those traumatised by what they have endured. They are trying in a way to bring peace to peoples’ lives. And that is very important, not just for its own sake, healing those who have been harmed, but because it plays some small part in stopping a cycle of violence from continuing. And by speaking up it may make the rest of us realise that this ought to be stopped, can be stopped and that there is some hope for those harmed by it.
It may not be peace in the old-fashioned signing a big treaty at a table way but it recognises and encourages those who are trying to provide practical help to those who have suffered unimaginably.
Far more worthy IMO than massaging the egos of politicians, whatever you call the prize.
Sky televised it live waiting with bated breath for Trump to win and the announcement was a complete anti climax - but I agree with you, they are worthy winners
Correct. The original planned move was because of Brexit, however.
No, it wasn't. Brexit was not a major factor. The main reason they wanted to move is because Dutch law allows more protection for local companies against predatory takeovers, and Unilever are being eyed up by Kraft Heinz, and others.
Correct. The original planned move was because of Brexit, however.
No, it wasn't. Brexit was not a major factor. The main reason they wanted to move is because Dutch law allows more protection for local companies against predatory takeovers, and Unilever are being eyed up by Kraft Heinz, and others.
Correct. The original planned move was because of Brexit, however.
No, it wasn't. Brexit was not a major factor. The main reason they wanted to move is because Dutch law allows more protection for local companies against predatory takeovers, and Unilever are being eyed up by Kraft Heinz, and others.
Apparently so, but I think Mr D was merely referring to the impression given by certain organisations and individuals at the time.
Correct. The original planned move was because of Brexit, however.
No, it wasn't. Brexit was not a major factor. The main reason they wanted to move is because Dutch law allows more protection for local companies against predatory takeovers, and Unilever are being eyed up by Kraft Heinz, and others.
Apparently so, but I think Mr D was merely referring to the impression given by certain organisations and individuals at the time.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
Yes?
No.
Has your weekend release from the asylum started early or something?!
Correct. The original planned move was because of Brexit, however.
No, it wasn't. Brexit was not a major factor. The main reason they wanted to move is because Dutch law allows more protection for local companies against predatory takeovers, and Unilever are being eyed up by Kraft Heinz, and others.
Apparently so, but I think Mr D was merely referring to the impression given by certain organisations and individuals at the time.
Well, they would, wouldn't they. And now they look a bit stupid.
It's probably fair to say that Brexit has made fools of us all, one way or another, even if some more than others.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
Yes?
Even Turkey/Iran is a massive stretch lol
Crossing the Sunni/Shia divide would probably prove impossible, throwing Israel into the mix would have the same effect as a grenade.
I see BMG’s latest poll has fallen back into line with Labour 39 (-1), Cons 38 (+2), LibDems 10 (-2).
The last BMG was Labour 40 - Conservatives 35 - Lib dem 12
So that is Labour (39) - 1 - Conservatives (38) + 3 - Lib dems (10) - 2
Labour also lost a seat last night to the Lib Dems
Not much cheer for labour and this week labour have:
Fallen out in Scotland
Fall out every day in England
And tonight chaos in Liverpool
To be fair you predicted that the 6-point Tory lead was an outlier and I predicted the 5-point Labour one was, and we were both right. Put it there, pardner!
Good - It would be nice if there was a deal, on transition or anything else, which could be backed on a cross party basis. Or even had a couple of dozen on either side cross the floor on the issue.
Collins almost certainly a yes ( had lunch with McConnell and McConnell came out happier than when he went in) , Flake a definite yes. Murkowski a definite no.
I see BMG’s latest poll has fallen back into line with Labour 39 (-1), Cons 38 (+2), LibDems 10 (-2).
The last BMG was Labour 40 - Conservatives 35 - Lib dem 12
So that is Labour (39) - 1 - Conservatives (38) + 3 - Lib dems (10) - 2
Labour also lost a seat last night to the Lib Dems
Not much cheer for labour and this week labour have:
Fallen out in Scotland
Fall out every day in England
And tonight chaos in Liverpool
To be fair you predicted that the 6-point Tory lead was an outlier and I predicted the 5-point Labour one was, and we were both right. Put it there, pardner!
Indeed Nick - but I am a bit surprised todays you gov retains that 6% lead and it was completed after labour's conference and before the conservatives and TM's speech
However I think the polls need a pinch of salt at present
Whether judges should be 'independently' appointed or straight political appointees might be a suitable subject for an article by one of PBs erudite contributors? It's fascinating that the 'Democrats' were content to excuse Blowjob Bill's indiscretions but find ancient allegations against a Republican to be so damming?
(Almost all) Democrats were massively too forgiving of Clinton's lies.
But there is an important distinction here. Politicians can be kicked out by voters. Judges are for life. And appointed Judges should be - like Caeser's wife - above suspicion. They should not - at best - have been economical with the truth during their confirmation hearings. And they should not be nakedly partisan.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
Yes?
No.
Has your weekend release from the asylum started early or something?!
Are you telling me you escaped?
Hey no need to sweep up if you did.
Abuse aside. These nations are clear potential allies. They're educated, sophisticated, and are their own masters. Whatever we might think, the people of these nations have been doing joined-up-thinking for far longer than we have.
Whether judges should be 'independently' appointed or straight political appointees might be a suitable subject for an article by one of PBs erudite contributors? It's fascinating that the 'Democrats' were content to excuse Blowjob Bill's indiscretions but find ancient allegations against a Republican to be so damming?
(Almost all) Democrats were massively too forgiving of Clinton's lies.
But there is an important distinction here. Politicians can be kicked out by voters. Judges are for life. And appointed Judges should be - like Caeser's wife - above suspicion. They should not - at best - have been economical with the truth during their confirmation hearings. And they should not be nakedly partisan.
Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.
The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.
AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
Plaid 'who' here in Wales.
They are still largely stuck in their West Coast and Anglesey heartland
New Plaid leader on Today this morning. Advocating early independence. Totally flummoxed when asked how to bridge the £15bn gap between public spending and tax take in Wales. For reference the current Welsh govt budget for their share of devolved public spending is £15bn.
And Wales doesn't have oil or whisky.
I know it’s cloud cuckoo land.
He’s bright is Mr Price and he’s trying to galavanise an ossified debate ( on independence) by being radical.
But it’s just bollocks. A huge percentage of the population lives within commuting distance of England and if you start radically diverging tax the inevitable problems will follow.
How the hell he thinks he can bridge the tax/spending gap of that magnitude is beyond me.
Soverignty may be more important to Welsh voters than economics. The result of the Brexit votes suggests that is the case.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
Yes?
No.
Has your weekend release from the asylum started early or something?!
These nations are clear potential allies.
All nations are potential allies, and you can drive about a thousand buses between the goalposts of defining what makes some 'clear' potential allies.
"One of the UK’s most prominent journalists, Carole Cadwalladr". Is that really true?
"Some weird journalist that no-ones ever heard of." is more the mark. Doesn't make her wrong mind you.
Ummm: her "scoops" which turned out to be fabrications make her wrong.
You misinterpret and misquote (I'm sure accidentally) me. I was just saying that because I've never heard of her doesn't mean she's wrong. I have no view at all on the truthfulness of what she's said.
Worth noting that the Republican Senator from Montana will not be in Washington this weekend for the vote, as he'll be at a wedding. So it'll probably end up 50-49.
Worth noting that the Republican Senator from Montana will not be in Washington this weekend for the vote, as he'll be at a wedding. So it'll probably end up 50-49.
No, he's been lent a private plane to ensure he makes it.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
Yes?
No.
Has your weekend release from the asylum started early or something?!
These nations are clear potential allies.
All nations are potential allies, and you can drive about a thousand buses between the goalposts of defining what makes some 'clear' potential allies.
Where would you look if you were the Iranian President or Iranian PM? Repeat the same question for Egypt, Israel and Turkey. China? The US? The EU? A rejuvenated UK?
Their mutual self-interest is so blindingly obvious that they'll see it soon enough.
"One of the UK’s most prominent journalists, Carole Cadwalladr". Is that really true?
"Some weird journalist that no-ones ever heard of." is more the mark. Doesn't make her wrong mind you.
Ummm: her "scoops" which turned out to be fabrications make her wrong.
You misinterpret and misquote (I'm sure accidentally) me. I was just saying that because I've never heard of her doesn't mean she's wrong. I have no view at all on the truthfulness of what she's said.
Trust me on this, then, she's not the most accurate of journalists.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
Yes?
No.
Has your weekend release from the asylum started early or something?!
These nations are clear potential allies.
All nations are potential allies, and you can drive about a thousand buses between the goalposts of defining what makes some 'clear' potential allies.
Where would you look if you were the Iranian President or Iranian PM? Repeat the same question for Egypt, Israel and Turkey. China? The US? The EU? A rejuvenated UK?
Their mutual self-interest is so blindingly obvious that they'll see it soon enough.
Worth noting that the Republican Senator from Montana will not be in Washington this weekend for the vote, as he'll be at a wedding. So it'll probably end up 50-49.
Worth noting that the Republican Senator from Montana will not be in Washington this weekend for the vote, as he'll be at a wedding. So it'll probably end up 50-49.
No, he's been lent a private plane to ensure he makes it.
I have stuck £20 on Haddad in Brazil and if you can get anythign like 2/1 I suggest you do the same.
The odds are based on first round preferences, which show Bolsonaro with a large lead. But he is not popular with supporters of other parties. The second round polling (which no-one has transcribed to Wikipedia!) shows him neck and neck with Haddad, and no better - results like 49/51.
Now there is quite a margin of error with any firebrand like Bolsonaro, but there is no reason to think the polls are necessarily underestimating him.
There will also be the opportunity to bet after Sunday with the benefit of the first round results, so watch for that.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
Yes?
No.
Has your weekend release from the asylum started early or something?!
Are you telling me you escaped?
Hey no need to sweep up if you did.
Abuse aside. These nations are clear potential allies. They're educated, sophisticated, and are their own masters. Whatever we might think, the people of these nations have been doing joined-up-thinking for far longer than we have.
If you ignore a thousand years of enmity and mistrust and war, sure.
The notion that Israel would go into an alliance with a country that wants to eliminate it from the map is absurd.
"continue to apply"? The man must be a xenophobic liar.
Liar as in then haven't been a serious applicant for a while? I'm not sure I see Xenophobic in what he's said.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
Err, right.
Why not? Is Israel somehow different?
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
Yes?
No.
Has your weekend release from the asylum started early or something?!
Are you telling me you escaped?
Hey no need to sweep up if you did.
Abuse aside. These nations are clear potential allies. They're educated, sophisticated, and are their own masters. Whatever we might think, the people of these nations have been doing joined-up-thinking for far longer than we have.
If you ignore a thousand years of enmity and mistrust and war, sure.
I see BMG’s latest poll has fallen back into line with Labour 39 (-1), Cons 38 (+2), LibDems 10 (-2).
The last BMG was Labour 40 - Conservatives 35 - Lib dem 12
So that is Labour (39) - 1 - Conservatives (38) + 3 - Lib dems (10) - 2
Labour also lost a seat last night to the Lib Dems
Not much cheer for labour and this week labour have:
Fallen out in Scotland
Fall out every day in England
And tonight chaos in Liverpool
To be fair you predicted that the 6-point Tory lead was an outlier and I predicted the 5-point Labour one was, and we were both right. Put it there, pardner!
Indeed Nick - but I am a bit surprised todays you gov retains that 6% lead and it was completed after labour's conference and before the conservatives and TM's speech
However I think the polls need a pinch of salt at present
I agree, a good result for the Tories. It was however taken in the middle of the Tory conference (Sun/Mon), amid massive coverage of Tories, good and bad.
As you say, best taken with caution anyway. I suspect things will only settle down after the Brexit deal which appears to be approacing - if then.
Mr. Thompson, my understanding is that Plaid believes in Welsh independence in a conceptual sense, but they don't want it in the foreseeable future.
The latter part, at least, is sensible as Wales has about 3% of the UK's population and 2% of the wealth.
AIUI, Plaid Cymru’s policy is to have Wales as a separate nation within the EU. However the new Leader has only just taken over so there may well be some changes of emphasis.
A bit of a problem as the Welsh voted to Leave the EU
Plaid 'who' here in Wales.
They are still largely stuck in their West Coast and Anglesey heartland
New Plaid leader on Today this morning. Advocating early independence. Totally flummoxed when asked how to bridge the £15bn gap between public spending and tax take in Wales. For reference the current Welsh govt budget for their share of devolved public spending is £15bn.
And Wales doesn't have oil or whisky.
I know it’s cloud cuckoo land.
He’s bright is Mr Price and he’s trying to galavanise an ossified debate ( on independence) by being radical.
But it’s just bollocks. A huge percentage of the population lives within commuting distance of England and if you start radically diverging tax the inevitable problems will follow.
How the hell he thinks he can bridge the tax/spending gap of that magnitude is beyond me.
Soverignty may be more important to Welsh voters than economics. The result of the Brexit votes suggests that is the case.
Polls have put support for English independence higher than that eg a 2007 poll had 15% backing English independence, 32% the status quo, 20% an English Parliament and 25% EVEL
"One of the UK’s most prominent journalists, Carole Cadwalladr". Is that really true?
"Some weird journalist that no-ones ever heard of." is more the mark. Doesn't make her wrong mind you.
Ummm: her "scoops" which turned out to be fabrications make her wrong.
You misinterpret and misquote (I'm sure accidentally) me. I was just saying that because I've never heard of her doesn't mean she's wrong. I have no view at all on the truthfulness of what she's said.
Trust me on this, then, she's not the most accurate of journalists.
I didn't for one moment suggest she was. I suggested that she wasn't one of the UK's most prominent journalists. Nothing more. I have no view on her work because I've never heard of her. I can't say if it's the most elegant. brilliant and insightful of work, or the crayon-unworthy daubs of someone like myself.
I'm 100% sure though that just because I've never heard of her, and that you and others seem to disapprove of her, she isn't necessarily wrong.
"One of the UK’s most prominent journalists, Carole Cadwalladr". Is that really true?
"Some weird journalist that no-ones ever heard of." is more the mark. Doesn't make her wrong mind you.
Ummm: her "scoops" which turned out to be fabrications make her wrong.
You misinterpret and misquote (I'm sure accidentally) me. I was just saying that because I've never heard of her doesn't mean she's wrong. I have no view at all on the truthfulness of what she's said.
Trust me on this, then, she's not the most accurate of journalists.
I didn't for one moment suggest she was. I suggested that she wasn't one of the UK's most prominent journalists. Nothing more. I have no view on her work because I've never heard of her. I can't say if it's the most elegant. brilliant and insightful of work, or the crayon-unworthy daubs of someone like myself.
I'm 100% sure though that just because I've never heard of her, and that you and others seem to disapprove of her, she isn't necessarily wrong.
The number of corrections and clarifications she has had to issue suggests otherwise.
I see BMG’s latest poll has fallen back into line with Labour 39 (-1), Cons 38 (+2), LibDems 10 (-2).
The last BMG was Labour 40 - Conservatives 35 - Lib dem 12
So that is Labour (39) - 1 - Conservatives (38) + 3 - Lib dems (10) - 2
Labour also lost a seat last night to the Lib Dems
Not much cheer for labour and this week labour have:
Fallen out in Scotland
Fall out every day in England
And tonight chaos in Liverpool
To be fair you predicted that the 6-point Tory lead was an outlier and I predicted the 5-point Labour one was, and we were both right. Put it there, pardner!
Indeed Nick - but I am a bit surprised todays you gov retains that 6% lead and it was completed after labour's conference and before the conservatives and TM's speech
However I think the polls need a pinch of salt at present
I agree, a good result for the Tories. It was however taken in the middle of the Tory conference (Sun/Mon), amid massive coverage of Tories, good and bad.
As you say, best taken with caution anyway. I suspect things will only settle down after the Brexit deal which appears to be approacing - if then.
I really do hope a Brexit deal can be agreed, not for party advantage but to move on.
Brexit will be an issue for years but maybe not quite as full on as it is just now
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/05/eu-may-offer-post-brexit-trade-flexibility-to-help-may-secure-deal
And Wales doesn't have oil or whisky.
He’s bright is Mr Price and he’s trying to galavanise an ossified debate ( on independence) by being radical.
But it’s just bollocks. A huge percentage of the population lives within commuting distance of England and if you start radically diverging tax the inevitable problems will follow.
How the hell he thinks he can bridge the tax/spending gap of that magnitude is beyond me.
On the face of it I'd think that a referendum was an ok idea on the subject. As I'm British though the whole referendum idea has to be discarded forever-more.
Turkey has been treated a little bit poorly by the EU in my view. (Turkey applying for EU membership is nothing like a tiny country doing so).
It'd be much better really if the countries of the middle east got together to just plain agree. A MEU of Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Egypt would have some clout.
It is, I think, a little bit too easy for women in the West to focus on the issues they face while ignoring the very much worse brutality endured by nameless women in far away countries. The Yazidis in particular have suffered appallingly - being subject to genocidal brutality by IS scum - and too many of those who make a big show of claiming how they are on the side of the oppressed have turned their faces away from this forgotten minority.
Incidentally, Betfair had lots of punters on the selection who were clearly unaware of the Norwegian Nobel committee penchant for picking out less-known heroes, and bet that they'd give the prize to Donald Trump. As I said a couple of months ago, this was free money to lay, and so it's proved.
Rename it a Nobel 'Humanity Prize' or something. Or better still just make it without name.
"Some weird journalist that no-ones ever heard of." is more the mark. Doesn't make her wrong mind you.
It may not be peace in the old-fashioned signing a big treaty at a table way but it recognises and encourages those who are trying to provide practical help to those who have suffered unimaginably.
Far more worthy IMO than massaging the egos of politicians, whatever you call the prize.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/14/unilever-pick-rotterdam-over-london-main-headquarters-brexit
Still quite a wide variation between pollsters - most recent for each pollster:
YouGov - Con +6
Opinium - Con +3
ICM - Con +1
ComRes - Lab +1
BMG - Lab +1
All within last 10 days - though at different points in Conference cycle.
So that is Labour (39) - 1 - Conservatives (38) + 3 - Lib dems (10) - 2
Labour also lost a seat last night to the Lib Dems
Not much cheer for labour and this week labour have:
Fallen out in Scotland
Fall out every day in England
And tonight chaos in Liverpool
It's a good speech to be honest, bit of a crash course on landmark US law decisions
These are the 4, and they can be outstanding together. They're not doing so well apart.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/05/unilevers-u-turn-isfar-dignified-probably-best-option/amp/
Ok on my moblle not ok on my samsung tablet
Cuba-USA-Russia-Pakistan
England-Venezuela-France-China
1649-1700s Ireland-England-Netherlands-Scotland
Amongst others..
If she runs again she'll win again.
I am on Tester in Montana...
Who are the senators behind Collins ?
And allied to the Pope ?
Manchin a probable Yes but not yet clear.
However I think the polls need a pinch of salt at present
I think on the left, Shelley Moore Capito (West Virginia) and on the right, Cindy Hyde-Smith (Mississippi)
But there is an important distinction here. Politicians can be kicked out by voters. Judges are for life. And appointed Judges should be - like Caeser's wife - above suspicion. They should not - at best - have been economical with the truth during their confirmation hearings. And they should not be nakedly partisan.
Hey no need to sweep up if you did.
Abuse aside. These nations are clear potential allies. They're educated, sophisticated, and are their own masters. Whatever we might think, the people of these nations have been doing joined-up-thinking for far longer than we have.
Ergo all four hate Hawaiian Pizzas, that's a great and clear alliance to start with.
She should be favourite, sure, but not an overwhelming one.
Their mutual self-interest is so blindingly obvious that they'll see it soon enough.
It will be his political funeral if its 49-50.
I have stuck £20 on Haddad in Brazil and if you can get anythign like 2/1 I suggest you do the same.
The odds are based on first round preferences, which show Bolsonaro with a large lead. But he is not popular with supporters of other parties. The second round polling (which no-one has transcribed to Wikipedia!) shows him neck and neck with Haddad, and no better - results like 49/51.
Now there is quite a margin of error with any firebrand like Bolsonaro, but there is no reason to think the polls are necessarily underestimating him.
There will also be the opportunity to bet after Sunday with the benefit of the first round results, so watch for that.
The notion that Israel would go into an alliance with a country that wants to eliminate it from the map is absurd.
As you say, best taken with caution anyway. I suspect things will only settle down after the Brexit deal which appears to be approacing - if then.
https://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/bbc-wales-st-davids-day-poll-2018/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_independence
Polls have put support for English independence higher than that eg a 2007 poll had 15% backing English independence, 32% the status quo, 20% an English Parliament and 25% EVEL
https://toque.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ICM2007SundayTelegraph.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_independence
I'm 100% sure though that just because I've never heard of her, and that you and others seem to disapprove of her, she isn't necessarily wrong.
Brexit will be an issue for years but maybe not quite as full on as it is just now