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  • Winning here
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766
    Whining here.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited October 2018
    Brexit-free thread.... well in the posts so far at least.

    Yes!
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    edited October 2018
    Curse of the new thread!

    WTO membership? Only globalist cucks like Jacob Rees-Mogg will accept such a blatant affront to our sovereignty.

  • Bugger... it couldn't last....
  • Like the blackshirts, the Daily Mail are recanting their support for another awful b word, Brexit.
  • Brexit-free thread.... well in the posts so far at least.

    Yes!

    Another non Brexit post for you.

    https://twitter.com/Durchiga/status/1054106909245128705
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    Bugger... it couldn't last....

    Mea culpa.

    Lovely weather for the time of year...
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Like the blackshirts, the Daily Mail are recanting their support for another awful b word, Brexit.

    Hitler begins with an H, Fascism with an F

    Godwin! Godwin! Godwin! Godwin! Godwin! Godwin! Godwin!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,054
    RoyalBlue said:

    Bugger... it couldn't last....

    Mea culpa.

    Lovely weather for the time of year...
    Well, we haven't Brexited yet...

    :)
  • Foxy said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Bugger... it couldn't last....

    Mea culpa.

    Lovely weather for the time of year...
    Well, we haven't Brexited yet...

    :)
    I blame AGW.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,054

    Foxy said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Bugger... it couldn't last....

    Mea culpa.

    Lovely weather for the time of year...
    Well, we haven't Brexited yet...

    :)
    I blame AGW.
    I am sure that you will ejoy a little Gallic humour:

    https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/1055046912070438912?s=19
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    We're past the point of no return on err everything :p
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    btw apropos of nothing I passed the EDL/Tommy Robinson demo yesterday.

    What a bunch of ***** ** ******* *********.
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Bugger... it couldn't last....

    Mea culpa.

    Lovely weather for the time of year...
    Well, we haven't Brexited yet...

    :)
    I blame AGW.
    I am sure that you will ejoy a little Gallic humour:

    https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/1055046912070438912?s=19
    I'm alternating between wanting to nuke Paris and sing La Marseillaise.
  • TOPPING said:

    btw apropos of nothing I passed the EDL/Tommy Robinson demo yesterday.

    What a bunch of ***** ** ******* *********.

    Oh mate, I walked passed them when they demo'd in Leeds at the end of May.

    They really loved me.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Meanwhile the Tories seem to be running a 'who can be the biggest arsehole' competition.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/24/european-parliament-debate-brexit-descends-chaos-senior-torys/

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Bugger... it couldn't last....

    Mea culpa.

    Lovely weather for the time of year...
    Well, we haven't Brexited yet...

    :)
    I blame AGW.
    I am sure that you will ejoy a little Gallic humour:

    https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/1055046912070438912?s=19
    I'm alternating between wanting to nuke Paris and sing La Marseillaise.
    My recent guesthouse owner in Normandy had similiar ideas.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    TOPPING said:

    btw apropos of nothing I passed the EDL/Tommy Robinson demo yesterday.

    What a bunch of ***** ** ******* *********.

    Oh mate, I walked passed them when they demo'd in Leeds at the end of May.

    They really loved me.
    I'm guessing it wasn't the audacious shoes you were wearing at the time?
  • OneArmedBadgerOneArmedBadger Posts: 41
    edited October 2018
    Will Greig's line stay firmly Mayite and in favour of an "orderly withdrawal", or will he manage to move the position even further, say towards EFTA/EEA? He's been doing this by stealth so far, no reason to think this is the final dictat.

    And on a different tack, if you're a craven Labour re-leaver like Flint, would you really want to be on the same side as the Mail? Does this open up more space for continuity remain in Labour?

    Apologies for going on-topic if that's bad form.
  • Meanwhile the Tories seem to be running a 'who can be the biggest arsehole' competition.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/24/european-parliament-debate-brexit-descends-chaos-senior-torys/

    'Kin hell that's such a poor grasp of history, I can only assume that Syed Kamall was tutored by Morris Dancer.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,835
    TOPPING said:

    btw apropos of nothing I passed the EDL/Tommy Robinson demo yesterday.

    What a bunch of ***** ** ******* *********.

    (5,2,7,9). Is this a crossword clue?

  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Meanwhile the Tories seem to be running a 'who can be the biggest arsehole' competition.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/24/european-parliament-debate-brexit-descends-chaos-senior-torys/

    'Kin hell that's such a poor grasp of history, I can only assume that Syed Kamall was tutored by Morris Dancer.
    They are determined to trash either the Tory brand or the British brand. Either is not good for the UK.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Meanwhile the Tories seem to be running a 'who can be the biggest arsehole' competition.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/24/european-parliament-debate-brexit-descends-chaos-senior-torys/

    'Kin hell that's such a poor grasp of history, I can only assume that Syed Kamall was tutored by Morris Dancer.
    I don't think even Morris Dancer would say something that wrong.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    dixiedean said:

    TOPPING said:

    btw apropos of nothing I passed the EDL/Tommy Robinson demo yesterday.

    What a bunch of ***** ** ******* *********.

    (5,2,7,9). Is this a crossword clue?

    bunch of copulating illegitimate people?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    Will Greig's line stay firmly Mayite and in favour of an "orderly withdrawal", or will he manage to move the position even further, say towards EFTA/EEA? He's been doing this by stealth so far, no reason to think this is the final dictat.

    And on a different tack, if you're a craven Labour re-leaver like Flint, would you really want to be on the same side as the Mail? Does this open up more space for continuity remain in Labour?

    Apologies for going on-topic if that's bad form.

    Flint isn't a coward, she listens to her constituents. And had to with @Tissue_Price of this parish breathing down her neck.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    edited October 2018
    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
  • RobD said:

    TOPPING said:

    btw apropos of nothing I passed the EDL/Tommy Robinson demo yesterday.

    What a bunch of ***** ** ******* *********.

    Oh mate, I walked passed them when they demo'd in Leeds at the end of May.

    They really loved me.
    I'm guessing it wasn't the audacious shoes you were wearing at the time?
    They were more interested in abusing an Eastern European couple.

    A few of them did chant 'I'd rather be a Paki than a Turk' which I took as a compliment.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    Oooo! It is getting exciting. The game's afoot .....
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    edited October 2018
    Honestly, here was I, absorbed by the discovery of a 1610 map of Yorkshire by John Speed, and you're all taken my name in vain.

    https://twitter.com/MorrisF1/status/1055117428903079936

    https://twitter.com/MorrisF1/status/1055118077116014592

    Edited extra bit: taking, not taken, of course.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Ian Dunt?

    He makes Mr Meeks look like sunshine and rainbows!
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited October 2018

    TOPPING said:

    btw apropos of nothing I passed the EDL/Tommy Robinson demo yesterday.

    What a bunch of ***** ** ******* *********.

    Oh mate, I walked passed them when they demo'd in Leeds at the end of May.

    They really loved me.
    Lawyers are never popular

    Where you in your wig and gowns? :D:D
  • RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    I'm looking forward to the Chilcot style inquiry into Brexit.

    I suspect it'll do so much damage to many, Leavers in particular, especially their pre referendum comments.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
  • TOPPING said:

    btw apropos of nothing I passed the EDL/Tommy Robinson demo yesterday.

    What a bunch of ***** ** ******* *********.

    Oh mate, I walked passed them when they demo'd in Leeds at the end of May.

    They really loved me.
    Lawyers are never popular

    Where you in your wig and gowns? :D:D
    That's barristers who like to dress up, they have issues.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,054

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
    A basic failure of a Tory government.

    The coalition increasingly is being recognised as a golden period of good government, when sensible LDs kept the swivel eyed loons away from the sharp objects.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    Foxy said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
    A basic failure of a Tory government.

    The coalition increasingly is being recognised as a golden period of good government, when sensible LDs kept the swivel eyed loons away from the sharp objects.
    It would be a basic failure of any Government. That it is May's Govt. is why the letters should go in....
  • I do remember when Leavers said WTO/No Deal were just Project Fear.

    No wonder that the likes of David Davis and Liam Fox didn't prepare for it.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    TOPPING said:

    btw apropos of nothing I passed the EDL/Tommy Robinson demo yesterday.

    What a bunch of ***** ** ******* *********.

    Oh mate, I walked passed them when they demo'd in Leeds at the end of May.

    They really loved me.
    Lawyers are never popular

    Where you in your wig and gowns? :D:D
    That's barristers who like to dress up, they have issues.
    Lord Justice Eagles has a certain cachet, does it not?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    I'm looking forward to the Chilcot style inquiry into Brexit.

    I suspect it'll do so much damage to many, Leavers in particular, especially their pre referendum comments.
    And Osbourne will come out of it smelling of shit.....
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
    I don’t think basic quite covers it.

    It is a fundamental failure of government. It suggests that Britain no longer has a governing class or civil service of sufficient quality to be viable as an independent state.

    That’s quite depressing.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,054

    I do remember when Leavers said WTO/No Deal were just Project Fear.

    No wonder that the likes of David Davis and Liam Fox didn't prepare for it.

    Though it seems the Russkis are stopping even WTO...
  • RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    I'm looking forward to the Chilcot style inquiry into Brexit.

    I suspect it'll do so much damage to many, Leavers in particular, especially their pre referendum comments.
    And Osbourne will come out of it smelling of shit.....
    Well I'm sure that'll keep you warm at night if WTO/No Deal sees the country Rejoin the EU.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    Bridgen, Jenkyns, Dorries all sound furious today !
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    TOPPING said:

    btw apropos of nothing I passed the EDL/Tommy Robinson demo yesterday.

    What a bunch of ***** ** ******* *********.

    Oh mate, I walked passed them when they demo'd in Leeds at the end of May.

    They really loved me.
    Lawyers are never popular

    Where you in your wig and gowns? :D:D
    That's barristers who like to dress up, they have issues.
    Lord Justice Eagles has a certain cachet, does it not?
    Surely Screaming Lord Justice Eagles?
  • Brexit-free thread.... well in the posts so far at least.

    Yes!

    Another non Brexit post for you.

    https://twitter.com/Durchiga/status/1054106909245128705
    don't blame me, I voted for DD.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,054
    All set for a Ceaucesceu moment?

    Or a Stalinist show trial? it could go either way.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    Foxy said:

    All set for a Ceaucesceu moment?

    Or a Stalinist show trial? it could go either way.
    Another damp squib.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,545
    Foxy said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
    A basic failure of a Tory government.

    The coalition increasingly is being recognised as a golden period of good government, when sensible LDs kept the swivel eyed loons away from the sharp objects.
    You'd have to go a long way back in history to find a period in which British government has been worse than the period since 2015. Lord North anyone?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    edited October 2018

    Foxy said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
    A basic failure of a Tory government.

    The coalition increasingly is being recognised as a golden period of good government, when sensible LDs kept the swivel eyed loons away from the sharp objects.
    You'd have to go a long way back in history to find a period in which British government has been worse than the period since 2015. Lord North anyone?
    1968-81 probably. The politicians were more talented than they are today, but the outcomes were worse.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    Foxy said:

    All set for a Ceaucesceu moment?

    Or a Stalinist show trial? it could go either way.
    The return of Kim Jong May.
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    Foxy said:

    All set for a Ceaucesceu moment?

    Or a Stalinist show trial? it could go either way.
    They are being outmanoeuverd at present ...TM to survive and come.out stronger
  • timmo said:

    Foxy said:

    All set for a Ceaucesceu moment?

    Or a Stalinist show trial? it could go either way.
    They are being outmanoeuverd at present ...TM to survive and come.out stronger
    They just need to believe a little bit more strongly and she'll be gone.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    It must be working my 83 year old father , drives every day to buy his Daily Mail.

    He was a strong brexit supporter , due to his concern over immigration.
    Yesterday out of the blue , he said " I do not know now if I made the right decision "

    I was left astounded.
    Never asked him , why the second thoughts.
    I will let him tell me , when he is ready.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Think goodness the govt managed to keep it all secret or else the rebels might find out
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    RoyalBlue said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
    I don’t think basic quite covers it.

    It is a fundamental failure of government. It suggests that Britain no longer has a governing class or civil service of sufficient quality to be viable as an independent state.

    That’s quite depressing.
    Not entirely fair, it has a governing class briefing against its civil service and rejecting its recommendations. There’s no evidence that the civil service wasn’t able to deliver realistic assessments of the impact of Brexit and implement appropriate programmes if instructed and funded to do so.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    RoyalBlue said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
    I don’t think basic quite covers it.

    It is a fundamental failure of government. It suggests that Britain no longer has a governing class or civil service of sufficient quality to be viable as an independent state.

    That’s quite depressing.
    Maybe we should join a larger, supranational organisation with a competent bureaucracy....?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Trump approval up to 44% with registered voters:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/
  • RoyalBlue said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
    I don’t think basic quite covers it.

    It is a fundamental failure of government. It suggests that Britain no longer has a governing class or civil service of sufficient quality to be viable as an independent state.

    That’s quite depressing.
    The country voted for free unicorns, you cannot blame the governing class for not being able to deliver unrealistic promises.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Pulpstar said:

    Bridgen, Jenkyns, Dorries all sound furious today !
    It was noticeable in the Commons that when JRM stood to ask a question the cheers though robust, were sparse....
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    RoyalBlue said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
    I don’t think basic quite covers it.

    It is a fundamental failure of government. It suggests that Britain no longer has a governing class or civil service of sufficient quality to be viable as an independent state.

    That’s quite depressing.
    The country voted for free unicorns, you cannot blame the governing class for not being able to deliver unrealistic promises.
    You can blame the governing class for failing to explain that the best they can offer is a donkey with an ice-cream cone blu-tacked to its forehead and neglecting to tell the country how much it will cost.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,545
    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    This is an utter indictment of Theresa May and her strategy, the Conservative government, and the Senior Civil Service. All have been/are negligent in their jobs.

    Will heads roll? Of course they won’t.
    It is a basic failure of Government.
    A basic failure of a Tory government.

    The coalition increasingly is being recognised as a golden period of good government, when sensible LDs kept the swivel eyed loons away from the sharp objects.
    You'd have to go a long way back in history to find a period in which British government has been worse than the period since 2015. Lord North anyone?
    1968-81 probably. The politicians were more talented than they are today, but the outcomes were worse.
    If we end up with no deal that outcome will be far worse than anything that has affected the U.K. since 1945.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. Eagles, if the choice was false why was it presented?
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Mr. Eagles, if the choice was false why was it presented?

    Bloody good question.
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    Mr. Eagles, if the choice was false why was it presented?

    The choice was real, it's just the consequences that were lies.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,921

    Honestly, here was I, absorbed by the discovery of a 1610 map of Yorkshire by John Speed, and you're all taken my name in vain.

    https://twitter.com/MorrisF1/status/1055117428903079936

    https://twitter.com/MorrisF1/status/1055118077116014592

    Edited extra bit: taking, not taken, of course.

    Discovery? I have a jigsaw of the 'West Ryding of Yorkeshyre' taken from the same map. I believe you can get similar for all the counties of England. It was more difficult than I thought because the well known places of today were often obscure in 1610. When I was at grammar school in the 1950s we had Houses that were named after the wapentakes. I was in Ainsty.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,957
    edited October 2018

    Mr. Eagles, if the choice was false why was it presented?

    Because the people proposing didn't think Leave would win/had other ambitions, hadn't really thought about it.

    Gove thought the worse thing that would happen to the UK would be if Remain won by a landslide, he thought an Indyref style result would keep it on the agenda for the next decade.

    Gove thought Leave were going to lose, he spent the 21st-23rd of June 2016 ensuring that Leavers wouldn't try and topple David Cameron when Remain won.

    Boris was focussing on winning the 2019 Tory leadership contest so he thought the referendum was the best way of appealing to Tory members. Prior to Feb 2016 Boris was very pro EU, just look at his comments.

    People like Fox etc weren't Leavers until late 2015/16 they were Eurosceptics but thought the UK should Remain in the EU, they really didn't have any intellectual heft when it came to the reality of what Leave meant other than in abstract concepts.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    O/T What has happened to Richard Tyndall?
  • Sean_F said:

    O/T What has happened to Richard Tyndall?

    Another_Richard has been in contact with him, he's just taking a break from posting.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. Slade, how very dare you mock my fantastic find?!

    Incidentally, surprised there are two Morleys. Second one threw me, as it took a while for me to find 'Ledes'.

    Mr. Eagles, and Cameron, who included it in the manifesto and seemed oddly complacent about the very tight polling?

    Do you think we'll end up with no deal, then a second referendum?
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    Mr. Eagles, if the choice was false why was it presented?

    Because Cameron’s top priority was remaining PM, which required him to give the Brexit ultras what they wanted, and minimising the risk of constitutional chaos came rather a long way below that priority.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,263
    Sean_F said:

    O/T What has happened to Richard Tyndall?

    There was a post the other day saying he's fine, just having a pause from posting.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,957
    edited October 2018

    Mr. Slade, how very dare you mock my fantastic find?!

    Incidentally, surprised there are two Morleys. Second one threw me, as it took a while for me to find 'Ledes'.

    Mr. Eagles, and Cameron, who included it in the manifesto and seemed oddly complacent about the very tight polling?

    Do you think we'll end up with no deal, then a second referendum?

    No, I think we'll leave no matter what in March 2019.

    If it is sustained No Deal/WTO Brexit then the question is not if but when we Rejoin the EU.

    Most Leavers said No Deal/WTO Brexit wasn't going to happen, their credibility will be shot to pieces a bit like the Tories after Black Wednesday or the appeasers in 1940.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    Mr. Slade, how very dare you mock my fantastic find?!

    Incidentally, surprised there are two Morleys. Second one threw me, as it took a while for me to find 'Ledes'.

    Mr. Eagles, and Cameron, who included it in the manifesto and seemed oddly complacent about the very tight polling?

    Do you think we'll end up with no deal, then a second referendum?

    Have you found the original in your attic ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765

    Mr. Slade, how very dare you mock my fantastic find?!

    Incidentally, surprised there are two Morleys. Second one threw me, as it took a while for me to find 'Ledes'.

    Mr. Eagles, and Cameron, who included it in the manifesto and seemed oddly complacent about the very tight polling?

    Do you think we'll end up with no deal, then a second referendum?

    No, I think we'll leave no matter what in March 2019.

    If it is sustained No Deal/WTO Brexit then the question is not if but when we Rejoin the EU.

    Most Leavers said No Deal/WTO Brexit wasn't going to happen, their credibility will be shot to pieces a bit like the Tories after Black Wednesday or the appeasers in 1940.
    I think that much would depend on who got the blame, the government or the EU, and in which proportions.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    AndyJS said:

    Trump approval up to 44% with registered voters:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/

    Still down on the 46% he got in 2016
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    North Dakota almost likely R in 538's model.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    Pulpstar said:

    North Dakota almost likely R in 538's model.

    I think that R +1 overall is the likeliest outcome in the Senate.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,545

    Mr. Slade, how very dare you mock my fantastic find?!

    Incidentally, surprised there are two Morleys. Second one threw me, as it took a while for me to find 'Ledes'.

    Mr. Eagles, and Cameron, who included it in the manifesto and seemed oddly complacent about the very tight polling?

    Do you think we'll end up with no deal, then a second referendum?

    No, I think we'll leave no matter what in March 2019.

    If it is sustained No Deal/WTO Brexit then the question is not if but when we Rejoin the EU.

    Most Leavers said No Deal/WTO Brexit wasn't going to happen, their credibility will be shot to pieces a bit like the Tories after Black Wednesday or the appeasers in 1940.
    I'm doubtful if no deal/WTO will actually happen. We may get very close to it, within an inch or two of th edge of the cliff, but when supermarkets start warning of foood shortages there will be panic buying and a collapse in sterling and this will create an atmosphere of crisis in which anything could happen, including a second referendum or extension of article 50. Which I think is what the EU is hoping for - a humiliated U.K. being forced to seek terms.
  • HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Trump approval up to 44% with registered voters:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/

    Still down on the 46% he got in 2016
    I am amazed he is anywhere near it to be honest
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,340
    edited October 2018
    Pulpstar said:

    North Dakota almost likely R in 538's model.

    Yes, the Dems will almost lose there. If that happens then to gain control of the senate they need to hold all their other seats, win AZ and NV and then one of either TX or TN. A big ask, frankly - MO, FL and IN all look vulnerable. It’s not impossible that the GOP will end up with 55 seats.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. Pulpstar, aye, I was looking for gold sovereigns :D
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080
    @ Mr White Rabbit

    FPT:
    Thanks. Interesting, and I will do you the courtesy of a detailed comment. London effect? I suspect we are about to get - as so often - a national imposition of the solution to a London problem.

    Parliament thinks you are being charged more than average.

    2. I would expect to see the Tenancy Agreement on request, first, before anything else. Not sure if this is a legal requirement without some serious digging. It may well be an "in practice" legal requirement.

    3. Some of that is dodgy. eg They could not legally charge the inventory fee if you pull out before the inventory had been done. That reference fee is about double or treble what it should be. I pay £15 for a decent credit report, and it is not rocket science to interpret.

    That should be a Holding Deposit, which should probably be returned on pullout minus the value of work done for your tenancy.

    Not sure what work is being done for the contract fee - unless it is your mods to the agreement. In which case you should get it back if they did not do the mods.

    If it is an "admin" fee I can understand it -I set up a tenancy last week and it took the best part of 2 days work, and involved roughly 120 pages of gumf for the tenant. One page of this was a list of tickboxes to prove that the tenant had received all the other gumf, because the Govt have taken to making LL rights dependent on proving to have given the T various different bits of paper.

    It is naughty to roll the Holding Deposit in with the Admin Fee.

    4. Your only solution to 4 is to write modifications by hand on the spot, from the notes you made at the previous meeting, and face them down to comply with their contract.

    Out of interest, what was the EPC figure? I think I have one E and all the rest are Cs or Ds; it is mainly old stock in good condition and properly renovated / ventilated.

    Personally I self manage except for student HMOs, and do not charge any fees to anyone at all for anything, except if eg a cheque bounces and I get a bank fee for that. And for Court Fees if it comes to that (never has). For student HMOs we have a superb agent, but also top 20% properties. Tenant goodwill is worth far more than a couple of hundred £££ imo,

    Personally I would go for the contract fee back, and probably cc the letter to the landlord - depending on your confidence level.

    I will accept the no fees law. It will be coming in because TM is a Virtue Signaller, but it cost Ts more money.

    I trust you reported the HB Fraudster.

    Cheers
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    edited October 2018
    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    North Dakota almost likely R in 538's model.

    I think that R +1 overall is the likeliest outcome in the Senate.
    I think the whole Kavanaugh show probably put the senate out of reach for the Democrats actually - before that they were looking stronger.
    Was always a huge task though.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,080
    edited October 2018
    Surely the migrants from Brexit are all still in Kent because Subbuteo Macron has kept his threat to complicate the border?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    North Dakota almost likely R in 538's model.

    I think that R +1 overall is the likeliest outcome in the Senate.
    I think the whole Kavanaugh show probably put the senate out of reach for the Democrats actually - before that they were looking stronger.
    Was always a huge task though.
    It placed Red State Democrats in a very tricky position.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958

    Sean_F said:

    O/T What has happened to Richard Tyndall?

    Another_Richard has been in contact with him, he's just taking a break from posting.
    Probably wise for his blood pressure....
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2018

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Trump approval up to 44% with registered voters:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/

    Still down on the 46% he got in 2016
    I am amazed he is anywhere near it to be honest
    That's precisely my point. I'd expect his popularity to be around 35%. But the Democrats are so useless, etc.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    Has Williamson been given the appropriate ration of kleenex for the meeting ?
  • Mr. Slade, how very dare you mock my fantastic find?!

    Incidentally, surprised there are two Morleys. Second one threw me, as it took a while for me to find 'Ledes'.

    Mr. Eagles, and Cameron, who included it in the manifesto and seemed oddly complacent about the very tight polling?

    Do you think we'll end up with no deal, then a second referendum?

    No, I think we'll leave no matter what in March 2019.

    If it is sustained No Deal/WTO Brexit then the question is not if but when we Rejoin the EU.

    Most Leavers said No Deal/WTO Brexit wasn't going to happen, their credibility will be shot to pieces a bit like the Tories after Black Wednesday or the appeasers in 1940.
    I'm doubtful if no deal/WTO will actually happen. We may get very close to it, within an inch or two of th edge of the cliff, but when supermarkets start warning of foood shortages there will be panic buying and a collapse in sterling and this will create an atmosphere of crisis in which anything could happen, including a second referendum or extension of article 50. Which I think is what the EU is hoping for - a humiliated U.K. being forced to seek terms.
    There was a theory going round (someone may have posted the link here) that there was a secret contingency plan that, in the case of a No Deal, the US would step in to provide supplies. I could certainly see the Donald doing that to p1ss off Merkel et al...


    I thought not much of it but then last week it turns out the US has kick started the process for a UK-US trade deal

    https://order-order.com/2018/10/17/us-puts-uk-trade-deal-front-queue/
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    Who could have predicted such a welcome. Obviously not Bridgen with his show trial remark ;)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,008
    I’m very surprised GG is (a) going in on an eight or nine, where I though he’d go in on a five or six and slowly ramp it up, and, (b) getting away with it with his readership, so far.

    I’m not sure if that’s coincidence, or leadership, so far. Too early to tell.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,080
    Pulpstar said:

    Who could have predicted such a welcome. Obviously not Bridgen with his show trial remark ;)
    It's a newl type of show trial where the accused's innocence is stitched up in advance?
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