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SystemSystem Posts: 11,019
edited October 2018 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » This questionnaire on the “Values and Identity” clans of GB is well worth doing

There's an online questionnaire here to find out which "value clan" you belong to https://t.co/WEX6o88OAA pic.twitter.com/aIIz2vJe8D

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,990
    edited October 2018
    First.

    And I am also an orange booker.

    Not surprising, really.
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    Q. Why did the lawyer cross the road?

    A. Sorry, I can't tell you for legal reasons!

    ( I thank you!)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    Another Douglas....
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,816
    Orange Booker.
    No surprise for me.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,989
    In the last few days I've moved from Global Green to Common-Sense Solidarity. What's going on?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,605
    Global Green for me.

    No surprise for a reverse watermelon.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    edited October 2018
    I got measured middle again, which I think is just code for 'This person hit "neither" more than once, and is ideologically confused'.
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    Continuity Anti-Beeching Front for me.

    (I must have done the questionnaire wrong?)
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Q. Why did the lawyer cross the road?

    A. Sorry, I can't tell you for legal reasons!

    ( I thank you!)

    Why did the lawyer cross the road?

    Because he got a better offer?
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,546
    Another orange Booker here - that feels about right although I know I have some views that aren't easily pigeon-holed.

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    Quelle surprise I am also an orange booker
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    edited October 2018
    Measured Middle with a pinch of Notting Hill.

    I think it must be because I don’t believe much in absolutes that are not maths related: no debate possible on conservation charge, not so sure about the death penalty.
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    Irish exit polls suggest a first round victory for Higgins, but only on 56-58%, with Casey making a late surge to 21% and reducing the SF candidate to single figures.
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    Conservation of charge!
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    Thanks tot he Irish Times publishing their exit poll three minutes early, I have robbed Betfair Sportsbook of the cost of dinner. It would have been more, had longer odds been available, but I was sceptical about how the Irish system works and wasn't prepared to bet the house on it.

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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,662
    edited October 2018
    Barnesian said:

    In the last few days I've moved from Global Green to Common-Sense Solidarity. What's going on?

    Er... you answered the questions differently?

    Still Global Green* for me.

    (*Although, there is only one question that mentions the environment so I am not sure how Green that makes me. I'd like to think I am environmentally aware but I'm not a ban-the-car, no-new-roads, veggie or anything like.)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,815
    edited October 2018
    Google Chrome flagging up a red "Not Secure" notice in the browser when you type in the "Leave Comment" box.

    Think you guys really need to move to https soon...
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    Twice now, my clan is Common-Sense Solidarity.


    FPT: JosiasJessop: re thankfulness/happiness

    We have two young adults with additional needs , both physical and mental. Their future without us to support them terrifies us (an under statement). We have very rarely had time apart from them, but there is always someone worse off...

    This report is heartbreaking :

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/i-just-cant-find-way-15331347
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,274
    edited October 2018
    Barnesian said:

    In the last few days I've moved from Global Green to Common-Sense Solidarity. What's going on?

    Those were the two I came out with (it said I was split, with GG dominant)

    According to the analysis that comes afterwards, GGs comprise 45% of guardian readers and about a quarter of Remain voters (with CSS being only slightly smaller slice).

    However it says my age group are supposed to be mostly proudly patriotic and bastions of tradition.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,662
    GIN1138 said:

    Google Chrome flagging up a red "Not Secure" notice in the browser when you type in the "Leave Comment" box.

    Think you guys really need to move to https soon...

    No issues from Safari.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    GIN1138 said:

    Google Chrome flagging up a red "Not Secure" notice in the browser when you type in the "Leave Comment" box.

    Think you guys really need to move to https soon...

    Worried about Vlad hacking your PB account? ;)
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    Notting Hill society for me..... Appears to be a drawing of Ken Clarke, cammo and osbo.... Hmm.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,815
    edited October 2018

    GIN1138 said:

    Google Chrome flagging up a red "Not Secure" notice in the browser when you type in the "Leave Comment" box.

    Think you guys really need to move to https soon...

    No issues from Safari.


    It's not really an "issue" it's just the latest updates to Chrome are really starting to flag up non-https websites.

    Google are really, really pushing websites to convert to https now. It will probably soon reach the point where they'll stop their ad's from appearing on non-https websites.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    Notting Hill society for me..... Appears to be a drawing of Ken Clarke, cammo and osbo.... Hmm.

    Likewise. I’d that schismatic Tory party still a going concern? :D
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,662
    edited October 2018
    Oh, fancy that:

    Russia seeks to capitalise on Brexit after blocking Liam Fox's WTO plan

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,995
    Fuck. I am Global Green. That's the worst one.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,599

    Barnesian said:

    In the last few days I've moved from Global Green to Common-Sense Solidarity. What's going on?

    Er... you answered the questions differently?

    Still Global Green* for me.

    (*Although, there is only one question that mentions the environment so I am not sure how Green that makes me. I'd like to think I am environmentally aware but I'm not a ban-the-car, no-new-roads, veggie or anything like.)
    GG for me too, but doesn't seem to be a good fit really.

    With the decline of social class voting in favour of "values based" voting, it is an interesting experiment, but : "There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't"
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2018
    My clan is The Measured Middle.

    "The Measured Middle clan tend to have balanced social views, with high numbers opposed to open borders and multiculturalism. On social issues, they are fairly liberal, believing more needs to be done in order to achieve gender and LGBT equality, but are more conflicted on issues such as adolescents choosing their own gender identity. TMM are known for not having very strong political views."
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    edited October 2018

    Oh, fancy that:

    Russia seeks to capitalise on Brexit after blocking Liam Fox's WTO plan

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk

    It seems to me that the complaint is legitimate, I believe they are complaining that we’re trying to use quotas that had yet to be ratified by the WTO, rather than ones agreed prior to the accession of the latest EU members. But even the Guardian admit this wont actually be an issue, as the U.K. will be able to trade on the draft proposals that have been submitted.
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    Mrs scrap is an orange booker.... Many similar answers to mine as NHS but makes sense as orange booker part of coalition were the best bits.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,745

    Notting Hill society for me..... Appears to be a drawing of Ken Clarke, cammo and osbo.... Hmm.

    Me too. I don't know whether to be angry at the test for the implied class treason, angry at myself for the same, or angry at Brexiteers for breathing oddly. I think I'll go with "all three"
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    Oh, fancy that:

    Russia seeks to capitalise on Brexit after blocking Liam Fox's WTO plan

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk

    It is meaningless. What we propose just comes into force as an ""unspecified schedule" while the WTO discusses the objection.
    If objections instantly stopped trade it would be chaos.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2018
    Surprised that the Measured Middle is the smallest group at just 7%. I would have guessed it was the biggest group if anything.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962

    Oh, fancy that:

    Russia seeks to capitalise on Brexit after blocking Liam Fox's WTO plan

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk

    It is meaningless. What we propose just comes into force as an ""unspecified schedule" while the WTO discusses the objection.
    If objections instantly stopped trade it would be chaos.
    I’ve just put the four horses away....again....
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,745
    AndyJS said:

    Surprised that the Measured Middle is the smallest group at just 7%. I would have guessed it was the biggest group if anything.

    Why?
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    RobD said:

    Notting Hill society for me..... Appears to be a drawing of Ken Clarke, cammo and osbo.... Hmm.

    Likewise. I’d that schismatic Tory party still a going concern? :D
    We are often on the same wavelength on here too.. . Apart from AV thread demands....
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,962
    I was wondering that, too. Perhaps it’s fraction of this group that think X is better than pineapple on pizza. :p
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    RobD said:

    Oh, fancy that:

    Russia seeks to capitalise on Brexit after blocking Liam Fox's WTO plan

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk

    It seems to me that the complaint is legitimate, I believe they are complaining that we’re trying to use quotas that had yet to be ratified by the WTO, rather than ones agreed prior to the accession of the latest EU members. But even the Guardian admit this wont actually be an issue, as the U.K. will be able to trade on the draft proposals that have been submitted.
    Afterall if it was really such an issue then how can the accession members trade?
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Notting Hill Society.

    I can keep @Casino_Royale company :smile:
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960
    GIN1138 said:

    Google Chrome flagging up a red "Not Secure" notice in the browser when you type in the "Leave Comment" box.

    Think you guys really need to move to https soon...

    I know. I've just been busy. Will try and sort this weekend.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,662
    RoyalBlue said:

    Notting Hill Society.

    I can keep @Casino_Royale company :smile:

    Bloody Metropolitan Elite, eh! :wink:
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,599
    Dura_Ace said:

    Fuck. I am Global Green. That's the worst one.

    Pass the lentils pon de left hand side. :)
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,662

    RobD said:

    Oh, fancy that:

    Russia seeks to capitalise on Brexit after blocking Liam Fox's WTO plan

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk

    It seems to me that the complaint is legitimate, I believe they are complaining that we’re trying to use quotas that had yet to be ratified by the WTO, rather than ones agreed prior to the accession of the latest EU members. But even the Guardian admit this wont actually be an issue, as the U.K. will be able to trade on the draft proposals that have been submitted.
    Afterall if it was really such an issue then how can the accession members trade?
    Fair enough - point taken.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725

    RoyalBlue said:

    Notting Hill Society.

    I can keep @Casino_Royale company :smile:

    Bloody Metropolitan Elite, eh! :wink:
    It truly is a state of mind.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    viewcode said:

    AndyJS said:

    Surprised that the Measured Middle is the smallest group at just 7%. I would have guessed it was the biggest group if anything.

    Why?
    Just my prejudice I suppose.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,662

    Continuity Anti-Beeching Front for me.

    (I must have done the questionnaire wrong?)

    Think you've missed the boat (or train?) on that one Sunil.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,815
    edited October 2018
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Google Chrome flagging up a red "Not Secure" notice in the browser when you type in the "Leave Comment" box.

    Think you guys really need to move to https soon...

    I know. I've just been busy. Will try and sort this weekend.
    Good luck. :)
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,333
    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    In the last few days I've moved from Global Green to Common-Sense Solidarity. What's going on?

    Er... you answered the questions differently?

    Still Global Green* for me.

    (*Although, there is only one question that mentions the environment so I am not sure how Green that makes me. I'd like to think I am environmentally aware but I'm not a ban-the-car, no-new-roads, veggie or anything like.)
    GG for me too, but doesn't seem to be a good fit really.

    With the decline of social class voting in favour of "values based" voting, it is an interesting experiment, but : "There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't"
    GG here too, but I agree with your reservations...
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    "Your clan is Orange Booker"

    Does that make me a bleeding heart liberal? :D
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    "Your clan is Orange Booker"

    Does that make me a bleeding heart liberal? :D

    I think that's the more flinty hearted wing.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Notting Hill for me. My younger working class self wasn't impressed.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    "Your clan is Orange Booker"

    Does that make me a bleeding heart liberal? :D

    I think that's the more flinty hearted wing.
    :+1:

    And on that merry note, goodnight to all you reactionary old marxist traditionalist conservative notting hill centre of the road so and sos....

    :D:D
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Modern Working Life
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,262
    AndyJS said:

    My clan is The Measured Middle.

    "The Measured Middle clan tend to have balanced social views, with high numbers opposed to open borders and multiculturalism. On social issues, they are fairly liberal, believing more needs to be done in order to achieve gender and LGBT equality, but are more conflicted on issues such as adolescents choosing their own gender identity. TMM are known for not having very strong political views."

    It was that last sentence that got me. The rest was in the right sort of area.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,262

    Q. Why did the lawyer cross the road?

    A. Sorry, I can't tell you for legal reasons!

    ( I thank you!)

    It's ok, Peter will tell us anyway.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,574

    "Your clan is Orange Booker"

    Does that make me a bleeding heart liberal? :D

    I think that's the more flinty hearted wing.
    Shouldn’t that be flinty hearted Whig ?

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,574
    GIN1138 said:

    Google Chrome flagging up a red "Not Secure" notice in the browser when you type in the "Leave Comment" box....

    Sounds a bit judgmental.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    DavidL said:

    AndyJS said:

    My clan is The Measured Middle.

    "The Measured Middle clan tend to have balanced social views, with high numbers opposed to open borders and multiculturalism. On social issues, they are fairly liberal, believing more needs to be done in order to achieve gender and LGBT equality, but are more conflicted on issues such as adolescents choosing their own gender identity. TMM are known for not having very strong political views."

    It was that last sentence that got me. The rest was in the right sort of area.
    I think I was hovering on the boundaries between several categories, including the Orange Booker category.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,599
    edited October 2018

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    In the last few days I've moved from Global Green to Common-Sense Solidarity. What's going on?

    Er... you answered the questions differently?

    Still Global Green* for me.

    (*Although, there is only one question that mentions the environment so I am not sure how Green that makes me. I'd like to think I am environmentally aware but I'm not a ban-the-car, no-new-roads, veggie or anything like.)
    GG for me too, but doesn't seem to be a good fit really.

    With the decline of social class voting in favour of "values based" voting, it is an interesting experiment, but : "There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't"
    GG here too, but I agree with your reservations...
    At risk of Brexiting the thread, but we do forget that voting patterns have demographic and social pointers, but these are far from absolute. Even in staunchly Leave voting old coal-fields a significant number of WWC voters went for Remain, and ditto for Leave voting metropolitan academics. Certainly they were outnumbered by more typical voters, but not that rare.

    We are influenced by our social milieu, but do have individuality, however idiosyncratic.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited October 2018
    Jonathan said:

    Modern Working Life

    Ditto. That split with Orange Booker.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,432
    Almost all of those questions invited anb essay question, or at least numerous qualifications. Almost none could be answered simply. Consequently, I came out as 'the measured middle'. Which is odd, because I'm pretty much the most conservative person I know in real life.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960

    Oh, fancy that:

    Russia seeks to capitalise on Brexit after blocking Liam Fox's WTO plan

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/26/russia-brexit-liam-fox-wto-plan-uk

    It is meaningless. What we propose just comes into force as an ""unspecified schedule" while the WTO discusses the objection.
    If objections instantly stopped trade it would be chaos.
    Correct. The WTO process means we have to follow correct procedures, but only in the long term. In the short to medium term, we say what we're going to do, and then do it.

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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,432
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    In the last few days I've moved from Global Green to Common-Sense Solidarity. What's going on?

    Er... you answered the questions differently?

    Still Global Green* for me.

    (*Although, there is only one question that mentions the environment so I am not sure how Green that makes me. I'd like to think I am environmentally aware but I'm not a ban-the-car, no-new-roads, veggie or anything like.)
    GG for me too, but doesn't seem to be a good fit really.

    With the decline of social class voting in favour of "values based" voting, it is an interesting experiment, but : "There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't"
    GG here too, but I agree with your reservations...
    At risk of Brexiting the thread, but we do forget that voting patterns have demographic and social pointers, but these are far from absolute. Even in staunchly Leave voting old coal-fields a significant number of WWC voters went for Remain, and ditto for Leave voting metropolitan academics. Certainly they were outnumbered by more typical voters, but not that rare.

    We are influenced by our social milieu, but do have individuality, however idiosyncratic.
    Foxy, this point cannot be made often enough. We can't simply divide everyone into two types of people from here on in.
    Most Remain voters, I think, see many flaws with the EU. Most leave voters see many drawbacks with leaving. The natural answer to everything starts with ;on balance...'. And consequently you get Metropolitan public sector youngish* leavers and old poor rural remainers, each of whom represent the middle distance of their respective bell curves.

    *in my head I'm still youngish, anyway. My body is in its early 40s. Well, early-to-mid.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,432
    DavidL said:

    AndyJS said:

    My clan is The Measured Middle.

    "The Measured Middle clan tend to have balanced social views, with high numbers opposed to open borders and multiculturalism. On social issues, they are fairly liberal, believing more needs to be done in order to achieve gender and LGBT equality, but are more conflicted on issues such as adolescents choosing their own gender identity. TMM are known for not having very strong political views."

    It was that last sentence that got me. The rest was in the right sort of area.
    I agree David/ I was that too. I have strong political views but iin almost all cases I can see the other point of view and the many many exceptions to any statement starting 'never'.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,957
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    In the last few days I've moved from Global Green to Common-Sense Solidarity. What's going on?

    Er... you answered the questions differently?

    Still Global Green* for me.

    (*Although, there is only one question that mentions the environment so I am not sure how Green that makes me. I'd like to think I am environmentally aware but I'm not a ban-the-car, no-new-roads, veggie or anything like.)
    GG for me too, but doesn't seem to be a good fit really.

    With the decline of social class voting in favour of "values based" voting, it is an interesting experiment, but : "There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't"
    GG here too, but I agree with your reservations...
    At risk of Brexiting the thread, but we do forget that voting patterns have demographic and social pointers, but these are far from absolute. Even in staunchly Leave voting old coal-fields a significant number of WWC voters went for Remain, and ditto for Leave voting metropolitan academics. Certainly they were outnumbered by more typical voters, but not that rare.

    We are influenced by our social milieu, but do have individuality, however idiosyncratic.
    Foxy, this point cannot be made often enough. We can't simply divide everyone into two types of people from here on in.
    Most Remain voters, I think, see many flaws with the EU. Most leave voters see many drawbacks with leaving. The natural answer to everything starts with ;on balance...'. And consequently you get Metropolitan public sector youngish* leavers and old poor rural remainers, each of whom represent the middle distance of their respective bell curves.

    *in my head I'm still youngish, anyway. My body is in its early 40s. Well, early-to-mid.
    Equally applies to Labour/Tory split right now. Many voted only on balance.
    If you can't see the drawbacks of choosing one over the other right now, then you are either a fanatic, ideologue, or haven't really thought about it much imho.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,432
    edited October 2018
    Off thread, my wife and daighters arrived home today to find that some sort of hawk* had brought down a dove on our drive and was defiantly and grimly picking over its carcass. They got about five feet from it before it reluctantly flew off, leaving a big patch of white feathers and a bloody mess behind, returning to its kill once they had gone into the house. I'm no darkages soothsayer, but as an augury it wasn't encouraging. My oldest daughter described it as a 'once-in-a-lifetime experience', which was probably true if not the way that particular idiom is normally used.

    *May not have been a hawk. Some sort of massive carnivorous bird, at any rate. The victim was definitley a dove, though.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "We’re on a slippery slope over hate speech

    Matthew Parris

    If we keep adding to the list of those we can’t offend, by what logic do we exclude the elderly, the obese and the ugly?"

    (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/we-re-on-a-slippery-slope-over-hate-speech-9qn02c2q6
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960
    Cookie said:

    DavidL said:

    AndyJS said:

    My clan is The Measured Middle.

    "The Measured Middle clan tend to have balanced social views, with high numbers opposed to open borders and multiculturalism. On social issues, they are fairly liberal, believing more needs to be done in order to achieve gender and LGBT equality, but are more conflicted on issues such as adolescents choosing their own gender identity. TMM are known for not having very strong political views."

    It was that last sentence that got me. The rest was in the right sort of area.
    I agree David/ I was that too. I have strong political views but iin almost all cases I can see the other point of view and the many many exceptions to any statement starting 'never'.
    The scariest posters on politicalbetting are those without empathy; without the ability to understand the motivations and desires of people other than themselves.

    I'm not going to name names.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,960
    Cookie said:

    Off thread, my wife and daighters arrived home today to find that some sort of hawk* had brought down a dove on our drive and was defiantly and grimly picking over its carcass. They got about five feet from it before it reluctantly flew off, leaving a big patch of white feathers and a bloody mess behind, returning to its kill once they had gone into the house. I'm no darkages soothsayer, but as an augury it wasn't encouraging. My oldest daughter described it as a 'once-in-a-lifetime experience', which was probably true if not the way that particular idiom is normally used.

    *May not have been a hawk. Some sort of massive carnivorous bird, at any rate. The victim was definitley a dove, though.

    I have a friend who's a professional magician* and he keeps doves. I asked him why magicians always make doves appear and not other birds.

    "Wait here" he said, and went out to his back garden to fetch a dove.

    He then demonstrated how a dove would consent to being rolled into a small ball and stuffed into a pocket. "No other bird is like that," he added.

    * He's also a realtor. Because everyone is LA is also a realtor.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread, my wife and daighters arrived home today to find that some sort of hawk* had brought down a dove on our drive and was defiantly and grimly picking over its carcass. They got about five feet from it before it reluctantly flew off, leaving a big patch of white feathers and a bloody mess behind, returning to its kill once they had gone into the house. I'm no darkages soothsayer, but as an augury it wasn't encouraging. My oldest daughter described it as a 'once-in-a-lifetime experience', which was probably true if not the way that particular idiom is normally used.

    *May not have been a hawk. Some sort of massive carnivorous bird, at any rate. The victim was definitley a dove, though.

    I have a friend who's a professional magician* and he keeps doves. I asked him why magicians always make doves appear and not other birds.

    "Wait here" he said, and went out to his back garden to fetch a dove.

    He then demonstrated how a dove would consent to being rolled into a small ball and stuffed into a pocket. "No other bird is like that," he added.

    * He's also a realtor. Because everyone is LA is also a realtor.
    LOL yeah good luck trying to roll up an owl against its will . . . :D
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,432

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread, my wife and daighters arrived home today to find that some sort of hawk* had brought down a dove on our drive and was defiantly and grimly picking over its carcass. They got about five feet from it before it reluctantly flew off, leaving a big patch of white feathers and a bloody mess behind, returning to its kill once they had gone into the house. I'm no darkages soothsayer, but as an augury it wasn't encouraging. My oldest daughter described it as a 'once-in-a-lifetime experience', which was probably true if not the way that particular idiom is normally used.

    *May not have been a hawk. Some sort of massive carnivorous bird, at any rate. The victim was definitley a dove, though.

    I have a friend who's a professional magician* and he keeps doves. I asked him why magicians always make doves appear and not other birds.

    "Wait here" he said, and went out to his back garden to fetch a dove.

    He then demonstrated how a dove would consent to being rolled into a small ball and stuffed into a pocket. "No other bird is like that," he added.

    * He's also a realtor. Because everyone is LA is also a realtor.
    LOL yeah good luck trying to roll up an owl against its will . . . :D
    Ha ha - there is apparently a minor fashion at weddings for having rings delivered by owl. Which would admittedly look spectacular, if pointless, if it worked. But seemingly normally it does not work: you just end up with an owl sat indiffernetly amongst the high beams of the church or other venue, holding on to its rings, while the ceremont is interrupted by someone trying to coax it down with a bit of meat. One of humanity's sillier ideas.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread, my wife and daighters arrived home today to find that some sort of hawk* had brought down a dove on our drive and was defiantly and grimly picking over its carcass. They got about five feet from it before it reluctantly flew off, leaving a big patch of white feathers and a bloody mess behind, returning to its kill once they had gone into the house. I'm no darkages soothsayer, but as an augury it wasn't encouraging. My oldest daughter described it as a 'once-in-a-lifetime experience', which was probably true if not the way that particular idiom is normally used.

    *May not have been a hawk. Some sort of massive carnivorous bird, at any rate. The victim was definitley a dove, though.

    I have a friend who's a professional magician* and he keeps doves. I asked him why magicians always make doves appear and not other birds.

    "Wait here" he said, and went out to his back garden to fetch a dove.

    He then demonstrated how a dove would consent to being rolled into a small ball and stuffed into a pocket. "No other bird is like that," he added.

    * He's also a realtor. Because everyone is LA is also a realtor.
    Didn't they use canaries in The Prestige?
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    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread, my wife and daighters arrived home today to find that some sort of hawk* had brought down a dove on our drive and was defiantly and grimly picking over its carcass. They got about five feet from it before it reluctantly flew off, leaving a big patch of white feathers and a bloody mess behind, returning to its kill once they had gone into the house. I'm no darkages soothsayer, but as an augury it wasn't encouraging. My oldest daughter described it as a 'once-in-a-lifetime experience', which was probably true if not the way that particular idiom is normally used.

    *May not have been a hawk. Some sort of massive carnivorous bird, at any rate. The victim was definitley a dove, though.

    I have a friend who's a professional magician* and he keeps doves. I asked him why magicians always make doves appear and not other birds.

    "Wait here" he said, and went out to his back garden to fetch a dove.

    He then demonstrated how a dove would consent to being rolled into a small ball and stuffed into a pocket. "No other bird is like that," he added.

    * He's also a realtor. Because everyone is LA is also a realtor.
    LOL yeah good luck trying to roll up an owl against its will . . . :D
    Ha ha - there is apparently a minor fashion at weddings for having rings delivered by owl. Which would admittedly look spectacular, if pointless, if it worked. But seemingly normally it does not work: you just end up with an owl sat indiffernetly amongst the high beams of the church or other venue, holding on to its rings, while the ceremont is interrupted by someone trying to coax it down with a bit of meat. One of humanity's sillier ideas.
    We had an owl deliver the rings at our wedding. It went flawlessly and was a complete surprise to all our guests, we hadn't told anyone we'd be doing it except the people involved.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Cookie said:

    Off thread, my wife and daighters arrived home today to find that some sort of hawk* had brought down a dove on our drive and was defiantly and grimly picking over its carcass. They got about five feet from it before it reluctantly flew off, leaving a big patch of white feathers and a bloody mess behind, returning to its kill once they had gone into the house. I'm no darkages soothsayer, but as an augury it wasn't encouraging. My oldest daughter described it as a 'once-in-a-lifetime experience', which was probably true if not the way that particular idiom is normally used.

    *May not have been a hawk. Some sort of massive carnivorous bird, at any rate. The victim was definitley a dove, though.

    We have two cats. The experience of finding the remains of smaller wildlife exhibits in or near the house - usually first thing in the morning - is depressingly common. It is mouse season at the moment.

    If you think a dove has a lot of feathers, you should see a deconstructed pigeon.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,574
    Cookie said:

    Almost all of those questions invited anb essay question, or at least numerous qualifications. Almost none could be answered simply. Consequently, I came out as 'the measured middle'. Which is odd, because I'm pretty much the most conservative person I know in real life.

    Some, I think, could be answered quite simply (one’s opinion on torture, for example). Many others - for example, which direction taxes ought to move in - depend greatly upon the prevailing conditions in which the question is asked.
    I ended up an Orange Booker, but could quite easily have answered quite a large number of the questions a little differently.

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    I got Orange booker. :) It's what I expected so no surprises.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,208
    I am Measured Middle.

    What ever that means. Centrist Dad?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2018

    I am Measured Middle.

    What ever that means. Centrist Dad?

    Join the club. I think it just means you're somewhere in the middle with most of the questions.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    Orange Booker for me
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,574
    Sociopath.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-could-really-tone-it-up-trump-shows-little-interest-in-uniting-the-nation-during-crises/2018/10/26/6a859c38-d891-11e8-a10f-b51546b10756_story.html
    Later Friday afternoon, as he departed Washington for a rally in Charlotte, Trump told reporters he has no plans to tone down his rhetoric — “I could really tone it up,” he said — and noted that the suspect “was a person that preferred me over others.” He also rejected the notion of responsibility: “There’s no blame. There’s no anything.”....
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,574

    I am Measured Middle.

    What ever that means. Centrist Dad?

    Obsessive checker of your waistline ?
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    I did this a few days ago and came out as Orange Booker. I think it's because I found the loaded nature of some of the questions very irritating and opted for the neutral option in protest. I'm sure the approach is now correct - values over class - but found the questions very simplistic.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Also global green community. And I thought the summary for the group really fitted me well.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,574
    This is a very interesting article:
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/25/north-carolina-ninth-district-mcready-harris-2018-221914
    ...She told me about her mixed thoughts about Trump, about her frustrations with the news coverage of his administration, about her utter exasperation with what she considers the extremist politics on both sides that are ripping the country apart, about her desire for more moderates, about how that’s what she sees in McCready, about her daughters and how she doesn’t want them to have to put up with sexism and harassment at the office or anywhere else, and about the very real weight that she feels as a swing voter in a swing district in 2018.

    And then she told me she actually hasn’t made her decision yet...

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    With both Exit Polls having the Blasphemy referendum passing overwhelmingly and Higgins winning easily on the first round I imagine the novekty value of the late Casey surge will garner a lot of coverage. How much can be read into it given the low turnout and emphatic victory for Higgins I don't know.

    The Independent's ' Final Say ' Brexit petition will hit 1m signatures today. It'll generate somessocual media coverage. I'm not a fan of the Change.org model but it's a level killing field and 1m is a sign of counter mobilisation if little else.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    I did this a few days ago and came out as Orange Booker. I think it's because I found the loaded nature of some of the questions very irritating and opted for the neutral option in protest. I'm sure the approach is now correct - values over class - but found the questions very simplistic.

    I think that's deliberate. They say to answer quickly, and they're trying to get at a more emotional response. For instance, are there really many people who think economy should *always* be prioritised over environment? But there will be plenty who think this environment stuff is all a bit exaggerated and needs to be reined in.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,150
    Also orange booker, don't suppose they have an option for neoliberal
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    edited October 2018
    Here's what I got:

    Those in the Bastions of Tradition & the Individual clan combine support for a small state and low taxation, with 'small c' conservative views on social issues, immigration and family life. Members of the BTI Clan are strong supporters of traditional British institutions such as the Royal Family and tend to celebrate Britain's colonial heritage.

    Like @YellowSubmarine, I did not like the loaded nature of the questions. The global warming question says a lot about the people who put this together. Note too, that the description above makes a judgement about my views on the Royal Family and our colonial heritage - yet neither are asked about which is odd.

    The one question that I had a real problem with was the one about the gender identity of adolescent children. Again, I think that says more about the people who put this together as they are deliberately picking the dubious point in time. Had they asked about kids that had gone through puberty I'd let them do what they want (though I guess I'll be picking up the tab through my taxes!).

    I think a much more challenging question for people not in my "clan" would be "should pre-pubescent children be allowed to do it?" I've seen stories about that on the news and I think it's bonkers, but appreciate that others may think differently.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,924
    AndyJS said:

    "We’re on a slippery slope over hate speech

    Matthew Parris

    If we keep adding to the list of those we can’t offend, by what logic do we exclude the elderly, the obese and the ugly?"

    (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/we-re-on-a-slippery-slope-over-hate-speech-9qn02c2q6

    I can't read all of it but the gist is given away, and I agree with Matthew. Modern working life for me.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    Sky News doing a good job to generate sympathy for Philip Green.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    tlg86 said:

    Sky News doing a good job to generate sympathy for Philip Green.

    Traditions of fair play are something that have survived the ravages of social change particularly in the UK. Sky are just reflecting the public on this.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    Roger said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sky News doing a good job to generate sympathy for Philip Green.

    Traditions of fair play are something that have survived the ravages of social change particularly in the UK. Sky are just reflecting the public on this.
    Yes, innocent until proven guilty etc. etc. People might not be keen on NDAs, but they don't like witch hunts either.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    tlg86 said:

    Here's what I got:

    Those in the Bastions of Tradition & the Individual clan combine support for a small state and low taxation, with 'small c' conservative views on social issues, immigration and family life. Members of the BTI Clan are strong supporters of traditional British institutions such as the Royal Family and tend to celebrate Britain's colonial heritage.

    Like @YellowSubmarine, I did not like the loaded nature of the questions. The global warming question says a lot about the people who put this together. Note too, that the description above makes a judgement about my views on the Royal Family and our colonial heritage - yet neither are asked about which is odd.

    The one question that I had a real problem with was the one about the gender identity of adolescent children. Again, I think that says more about the people who put this together as they are deliberately picking the dubious point in time. Had they asked about kids that had gone through puberty I'd let them do what they want (though I guess I'll be picking up the tab through my taxes!).

    I think a much more challenging question for people not in my "clan" would be "should pre-pubescent children be allowed to do it?" I've seen stories about that on the news and I think it's bonkers, but appreciate that others may think differently.

    On the loaded nature of the questions, it is probably wrong to assume it tells you anything about the compilers. I've not checked in this case but typically there'd originally have been hundreds of questions, and the researchers would have found that the answers tended to cluster together, so that people in favour of sending small boys up chimneys also thought that girls should be trained as scullery maids, for instance. These clusters would have been given catchy names, like Empire Loyalist or Pinko Traitor.

    Then, for the online version, they'd take just one or two questions from each cluster, and use these to infer your answers to the rest. It is less accurate for individuals but the broad sweep will be correct.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,977
    tlg86 said:

    Roger said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sky News doing a good job to generate sympathy for Philip Green.

    Traditions of fair play are something that have survived the ravages of social change particularly in the UK. Sky are just reflecting the public on this.
    Yes, innocent until proven guilty etc. etc. People might not be keen on NDAs, but they don't like witch hunts either.
    To be fair it’s not as if Philip Green’s public persona seems especially likeable, either.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189

    tlg86 said:

    Roger said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sky News doing a good job to generate sympathy for Philip Green.

    Traditions of fair play are something that have survived the ravages of social change particularly in the UK. Sky are just reflecting the public on this.
    Yes, innocent until proven guilty etc. etc. People might not be keen on NDAs, but they don't like witch hunts either.
    To be fair it’s not as if Philip Green’s public persona seems especially likeable, either.
    No, but that was the point of my original comment. By chasing him around over this, Sky and others risk making him look like a victim and worse jeopardising a future criminal trial.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,977
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Roger said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sky News doing a good job to generate sympathy for Philip Green.

    Traditions of fair play are something that have survived the ravages of social change particularly in the UK. Sky are just reflecting the public on this.
    Yes, innocent until proven guilty etc. etc. People might not be keen on NDAs, but they don't like witch hunts either.
    To be fair it’s not as if Philip Green’s public persona seems especially likeable, either.
    No, but that was the point of my original comment. By chasing him around over this, Sky and others risk making him look like a victim and worse jeopardising a future criminal trial.
    I suspect it’s difficult to make Green look like a victim, but, especially if the courts are actually involved, as someone suggested upthread, even he deserves a ‘fair go’!

    At the moment, AIUI, he’s simply saying he’s never harassed anyone. But asking the question is up there with ‘have you stopped beating your wife’, isn’t it.
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Roger said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sky News doing a good job to generate sympathy for Philip Green.

    Traditions of fair play are something that have survived the ravages of social change particularly in the UK. Sky are just reflecting the public on this.
    Yes, innocent until proven guilty etc. etc. People might not be keen on NDAs, but they don't like witch hunts either.
    To be fair it’s not as if Philip Green’s public persona seems especially likeable, either.
    No, but that was the point of my original comment. By chasing him around over this, Sky and others risk making him look like a victim and worse jeopardising a future criminal trial.
    I suspect it’s difficult to make Green look like a victim, but, especially if the courts are actually involved, as someone suggested upthread, even he deserves a ‘fair go’!

    At the moment, AIUI, he’s simply saying he’s never harassed anyone. But asking the question is up there with ‘have you stopped beating your wife’, isn’t it.
    there is a lack of interest / enthusiasm for the rule of law. politics is ultimately just a reflection of public opinion.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,971

    I did this a few days ago and came out as Orange Booker. I think it's because I found the loaded nature of some of the questions very irritating and opted for the neutral option in protest. I'm sure the approach is now correct - values over class - but found the questions very simplistic.

    I was also surprised to come out as an orange booker (I've voted Labour in every GE since 1983, albeit reluctantly on occasion - 2017 particularly). It caused me to reflect on why it is I tend to agree more with moderate, pragmatic Tories and LDs than I do with the politicians I tend to vote for. However, the reason I've never voted Tory is I absolutely cannot abide the Bill Cash, JRM, Gerald Howarth, Andrew Budgen types who are so prominent in the party. I find them and their views so repulsive that ultimately in a forced choice I opt for the Trots.
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