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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,590

    Foxy said:

    Crazy on Betfair. I bet on 190-199 Dems at 42 15 min ago. Now 3.

    take your money
    Just hedging a bit. Not much liquidity
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Hmm, Democrats' prospects looking a BIT better now. West Virginia looks like it's in their column now, whereas the first exit polls put Manchin behind.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    CNN forecasts the House is now leaning Democrat while control of the Senate is likely Republican
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    HYUFD said:

    Texas Senate

    O'Rourke 49.7% Cruz 49.7%

    1% in

    O’Rourke is 6% up with 47% in, but lots of GOP not counted yet.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    We still have nothing from the Midwest, Indiana excepted. I think Republicans will overperform there.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    HYUFD said:

    Texas Senate

    O'Rourke 49.7% Cruz 49.7%

    1% in

    Texas is 47% in, according to CNN.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Andrew said:
    If the model is overreacting to early GOP holds then frankly Nate Silver and co should be kicking themselves. The order of races being counted isn't hard to predict, and something they should have factored in.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,286
    FL is over 90% in but:

    Broward 51% in
    Dade 75% in
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    MikeL said:

    FL is over 90% in but:

    Broward 51% in
    Dade 75% in

    I think the Senate might stay DEM but that the Governorship might stay GOP.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,650
    HYUFD said:

    Texas Senate

    O'Rourke 49.7% Cruz 49.7%

    1% in

    I know it's what the NYT site is saying but that 1% in doesn't look right, given they've both got circa 1.3m votes. Feels more like 30% in.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,710
    Arse, I promised not to comment.

    KY6 is 88% in and the Dem is 5K behind with about 35K votes to go. For her to win she'll have to take 20K of those votes, and 20K out of 35K is 57%. If the remaining votes are all rural, I don't see that happening. So unless a urban area has an unopened sack of votes, I think the Dem has lost in KY6
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    MikeL said:

    FL is over 90% in but:

    Broward 51% in
    Dade 75% in

    which is what we said for Clinton

    Fool me once...
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    HYUFD said:

    Texas Senate

    O'Rourke 49.7% Cruz 49.7%

    1% in

    I know it's what the NYT site is saying but that 1% in doesn't look right, given they've both got circa 1.3m votes. Feels more like 30% in.
    47% in.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    CNN says the Democrats currently leading in 21 target seats.
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    Quincel said:

    Andrew said:
    If the model is overreacting to early GOP holds then frankly Nate Silver and co should be kicking themselves. The order of races being counted isn't hard to predict, and something they should have factored in.

    The theory is that it's likely (not solid) red seats
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914

    HYUFD said:

    Texas Senate

    O'Rourke 49.7% Cruz 49.7%

    1% in

    I know it's what the NYT site is saying but that 1% in doesn't look right, given they've both got circa 1.3m votes. Feels more like 30% in.
    Me and Nabavi are sooo screwedif it is 1%. It'd mean 200% turnout lol
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    are we looking at a FL recount?
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    StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Quincel said:

    Andrew said:
    If the model is overreacting to early GOP holds then frankly Nate Silver and co should be kicking themselves. The order of races being counted isn't hard to predict, and something they should have factored in.
    This happens every time. 538 should just stop doing their live forecasts until they can improve it
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,710

    MikeL said:

    FL is over 90% in but:

    Broward 51% in
    Dade 75% in

    which is what we said for Clinton

    Fool me once...
    I have memories of POTUS2016. It's not over until the panhandle sings... :(
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Mortimer said:

    Holy shit 538 now has it 47.4% for GOP to hold the house!!!!!

    Blue wave turning into a bit of a damp squib....?
    It's looking like an amazing night for the Republicans.

    Which - ironically - probably bodes ill for Trump 2020.
    This is his victory. If there’s no recession, he’ll be re-elected.
    As I have consistently said midterms are irrelevant in presidential election terms, Clinton lost the House and Senate and was re elected, Obama lost the House and was re elected, Carter held the House and Senate and lost re election, George W Bush gained House and Senate seats in 2002 and was re elected by the narrowest margin since Truman
    Truman actually won quite comfortably in 1948 - his lead was 4.5%.
    4.5% was the worst re election margin for any US president before George W Bush won by 2.4% in 2004 and Obama was re elected by 3.2% in 2012.

    IKE was re elected by 15% in 1956 (and he also lost Congress in the 1954 midterms), LBJ was re elected by 23% in 1964, Nixon was re elected by 23% in 1972, Reagan was re elected by 18% in 1984, Bill Clinton was re elected by 8% in 1992.

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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,286
    I think NYT in figure is % of precincts 100% in - ie doesn't count partial precincts.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Quincel said:


    If the model is overreacting to early GOP holds then frankly Nate Silver and co should be kicking themselves. The order of races being counted isn't hard to predict, and something they should have factored in.

    There was a suggestion the input feeds have gone wonky, thus the dramatic changes. Without seeing the internals though, who knows.
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    Quincel said:

    Andrew said:
    If the model is overreacting to early GOP holds then frankly Nate Silver and co should be kicking themselves. The order of races being counted isn't hard to predict, and something they should have factored in.
    This happens every time. 538 should just stop doing their live forecasts until they can improve it
    I have to imagine their sports predictions are much better....
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,710
    edited November 2018

    Quincel said:

    Andrew said:
    If the model is overreacting to early GOP holds then frankly Nate Silver and co should be kicking themselves. The order of races being counted isn't hard to predict, and something they should have factored in.
    This happens every time. 538 should just stop doing their live forecasts until they can improve it
    What we really need is an @AndyJS spreadsheet.

    [EDIT: I'm really not joking... :( ]
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    20 million votes counted and only 2 House seats have changed hands, FL27 and VA10.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-house-elections.html
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,650
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Texas Senate

    O'Rourke 49.7% Cruz 49.7%

    1% in

    I know it's what the NYT site is saying but that 1% in doesn't look right, given they've both got circa 1.3m votes. Feels more like 30% in.
    Me and Nabavi are sooo screwedif it is 1%. It'd mean 200% turnout lol
    Maybe there is something in those voter fraud allegations after all! :smile:
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    R hold Ky-6, clearly no blue wave
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    StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Quincel said:

    Andrew said:
    If the model is overreacting to early GOP holds then frankly Nate Silver and co should be kicking themselves. The order of races being counted isn't hard to predict, and something they should have factored in.
    This happens every time. 538 should just stop doing their live forecasts until they can improve it
    I have to imagine their sports predictions are much better....
    Their general forecasts are good, it's the live one that has this problem
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    R hold Ky-6, clearly no blue wave

    Blue ripple?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited November 2018
    FLA 26 Dems 51% GOP 49% 87% in

    FLA 15 GOP 53% Dems 47% 32% in
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2018
    O’rourke 3% up with 50% in.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,710
    Andrew said:

    Quincel said:


    If the model is overreacting to early GOP holds then frankly Nate Silver and co should be kicking themselves. The order of races being counted isn't hard to predict, and something they should have factored in.

    There was a suggestion the input feeds have gone wonky, thus the dramatic changes. Without seeing the internals though, who knows.
    I *really* like the word "wonky".
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    NYT live forecast down also - common problem?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    VA 7 Dems 50% 49% GOP 94% in

    VA 2 Dems 50% GOP 50% 86% in
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    say "at this point" once more I dare you
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    Ojeda nearly 10% down in WV7 at the moment
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949

    O’rourke 3% up with 50% in.

    People talked about O'Rourke benefiting the Dems in some close House seats in Texas, not sure where the votes are so far but maybe true?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2018
    The exit poll answers don’t seem to exact match up with where people actuallly put their cross. They would have been better asking what is your favourite hair colour....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    NC 9 Dems 50% GOP 48% 16% in
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Mortimer said:

    Holy shit 538 now has it 47.4% for GOP to hold the house!!!!!

    Blue wave turning into a bit of a damp squib....?
    It's looking like an amazing night for the Republicans.

    Which - ironically - probably bodes ill for Trump 2020.
    This is his victory. If there’s no recession, he’ll be re-elected.
    As I have consistently said midterms are irrelevant in presidential election terms, Clinton lost the House and Senate and was re elected, Obama lost the House and was re elected, Carter held the House and Senate and lost re election, George W Bush gained House and Senate seats in 2002 and was re elected by the narrowest margin since Truman
    Truman actually won quite comfortably in 1948 - his lead was 4.5%.
    4.5% was the worst re election margin for any US president before George W Bush won by 2.4% in 2004 and Obama was re elected by 3.2% in 2012.

    IKE was re elected by 15% in 1956 (and he also lost Congress in the 1954 midterms), LBJ was re elected by 23% in 1964, Nixon was re elected by 23% in 1972, Reagan was re elected by 18% in 1984, Bill Clinton was re elected by 8% in 1992.

    Indeed so , but your comment had implied that Bush won reelection in 2004 by a bigger margin than gained by Truman in 1948. That was not the case.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The Democrats need to do well in California.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,650
    Wow Beto has now gone ahead of Cruz - plus Harris County still to come!
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,953
    HYUFD said:

    VA 7 Dems 50% 49% GOP 94% in

    VA 2 Dems 50% GOP 50% 86% in

    There are some seriously close results that will determine the overall result
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    The exit poll answers don’t seem to exact match up with where people actuallly put their cross.

    they don't - think 2016
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,953
    Any news from WV Senate
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942

    Wow Beto has now gone ahead of Cruz - plus Harris County still to come!

    Beto has been ahead of Cruz from the start; but CNN are not bigging it up. They think there are lots of Cruz votes to come.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    NJ 3 GOP 61% Dems 37% 10% in
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    rcs1000 said:

    Any news from WV Senate

    Manchin looking OK, down on his landslide but fine
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    I can see the advantages to Republicans doing well, less excuses come 2020 and more desire to get the Republicans out. Whilst I wish Americans the best of luck with their choice my higher priority is them saving the rest of us from their choice for which 2020 is more relevant.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
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    Mortimer said:

    Wow Beto has now gone ahead of Cruz - plus Harris County still to come!

    Beto has been ahead of Cruz from the start; but CNN are not bigging it up. They think there are lots of Cruz votes to come.
    Tx looks exciting though.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    rcs1000 said:

    Any news from WV Senate

    Manchin 52% Morrissey 43% 32% in
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Dems look like they might eke out the VA-2 and VA-7. Both narrow but both would be gains.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,710
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Any news from WV Senate

    Manchin 52% Morrissey 43% 32% in
    Morrissey's doing badly. Heaven knows he's miserable now.

    Pause.

    And so to bed.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Mortimer said:

    Wow Beto has now gone ahead of Cruz - plus Harris County still to come!

    Beto has been ahead of Cruz from the start; but CNN are not bigging it up. They think there are lots of Cruz votes to come.
    CNN has been giving Beto star treatment for months. They think he will lose
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    Quincel said:

    Dems look like they might eke out the VA-2 and VA-7. Both narrow but both would be gains.

    along with Fl-26, huge
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,650
    Florida senate: Scott® leading by 0.8% with 85% in but remaining precints are in Dem favouring areas. Could be v close.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,286
    Broward jumping from 51% to 70% make little difference - bad for Dem.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Any news from WV Senate

    Manchin 52% Morrissey 43% 32% in
    Morrissey's doing badly. Heaven knows he's miserable now.

    Pause.

    And so to bed.
    Just remember, there is a light and it never goes out...
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    edited November 2018
    MikeL said:

    Broward jumping from 51% to 70% make little difference - bad for Dem.

    Dems overrelying upon magic last votes from Florida......again......
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2018
    Tim_B said:

    Mortimer said:

    Wow Beto has now gone ahead of Cruz - plus Harris County still to come!

    Beto has been ahead of Cruz from the start; but CNN are not bigging it up. They think there are lots of Cruz votes to come.
    CNN has been giving Beto star treatment for months. They think he will lose
    You can see it on the face of CNN stat board guy.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,286
    FL depends on the SIZE of the Broward precincts to come.
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    I need to sleep. Unfortunately.

    Enjoy all.
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    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    Broward jumping from 51% to 70% make little difference - bad for Dem.

    Dems overrelying upon magic last votes from Florida......again......
    If they do manage to pull it back how any days / hours / minutes will take for trump to rant about voter fraud?
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Right, work tomorrow. Night all!

    Be careful with your spread bets...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,953
    So, Republicans gain - I would guess - Florida, North Dakota, Indiana and Missouri. Democrats miss in Arizona. Nevada still to come, but I would guess R+3 in the Senate.

    House looks like the Dems will eke out quite a few narrow gains. My money would be on them narrowly gaining it.
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    Cruz now back to level with o’rourke with a lot of GOP strongholds to come.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    Gary Johnson has failed to get elected.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    MikeL said:

    FL depends on the SIZE of the Broward precincts to come.

    +1
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2018
    RoyalBlue said:

    Right, work tomorrow. Night all!

    Be careful with your spread bets...

    Just had flashback nightmares of the Ryder cup....shudders.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Are we looking at another triumph for US bigotry and neo-fascism?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    GOP hold KY6.

    Blue puddle, it would seem...
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    TN called for GOP
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited November 2018
    justin124 said:

    Are we looking at another triumph for US bigotry and neo-fascism?

    No, most likely a mixed bag, the Democrats narrowly gain the House and pick up a few governorships and state legislatures, the GOP increase their lead in the Senate
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    Democrats projected to hold their New Jersey Senate seat
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Menendez - even after his corruption trial - wins NJ. One famous newspaper endorsement was headlined "Choke it down and vote for Menendez".
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited November 2018
    CNN hosts very downbeat, talking about not impossible for democrats to win the house. Democrats have good candidates but...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2018
    25 million votes counted and still only two seats changing hands.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-house-elections.html
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    CNN hosts very downbeat, talking about not impossible for democrats to win the house.

    John King again desperately looking for dem votes
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    Tim_B said:

    CNN hosts very downbeat, talking about not impossible for democrats to win the house.

    John King again desperately looking for dem votes
    You get the feeling he is looking behind the set, down the back of the sofa, ....
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    CNN hosts very downbeat, talking about not impossible for democrats to win the house. Democrats have good candidates but...

    Does anyone have a link for watching CNN online in the UK?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    AndyJS said:

    25 million votes counted and still only two seats changing hands.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-house-elections.html

    Just doesn't feel like a house flipping night...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tim_B said:

    TN called for GOP

    Tim, it seems you were right to be sceptical about the Democrats' chances of winning the House a few days ago.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Gillum is mayor of Tallahassee. It turns out he was under federal corruption investigation - he called everyone who asked him about it a racist. He is also very left wing.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Tim_B said:

    Menendez - even after his corruption trial - wins NJ. One famous newspaper endorsement was headlined "Choke it down and vote for Menendez".

    A bit unfortunate choice of words as Menendez has also been accused of sleeping with underage prostitutes in the Dominican Republic.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    AndyJS said:

    CNN hosts very downbeat, talking about not impossible for democrats to win the house. Democrats have good candidates but...

    Does anyone have a link for watching CNN online in the UK?
    I'm watching on the tele, but

    https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-day-2018/index.html

    seems to be working.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    Pelosi speaking now
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    Lyin Ted ahead now.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Mortimer said:

    AndyJS said:

    CNN hosts very downbeat, talking about not impossible for democrats to win the house. Democrats have good candidates but...

    Does anyone have a link for watching CNN online in the UK?
    I'm watching on the tele, but

    https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-day-2018/index.html

    seems to be working.
    Thanks, that works.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,650
    edited November 2018

    Lyin Ted ahead now.

    Hmmm NYT must be behind the curve - still shows O'Rourke at +1.6

    EDIT: O'Rourke +3.6% now with Harris County beginning to report
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    NJ 7 Dems 52% GOP 46% 7% in
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    OH 12 GOP 51% Dems 48% 29% in
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    rpjs said:

    Tim_B said:

    Menendez - even after his corruption trial - wins NJ. One famous newspaper endorsement was headlined "Choke it down and vote for Menendez".

    A bit unfortunate choice of words as Menendez has also been accused of sleeping with underage prostitutes in the Dominican Republic.
    Or possibly not :-)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    NC 9 Dems 50% GOP 49% 43% in
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,953
    Mortimer said:

    AndyJS said:

    25 million votes counted and still only two seats changing hands.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-house-elections.html

    Just doesn't feel like a house flipping night...
    I'm significantly more bullish on the House Dems than I was an hour ago. There are a lot of close races, they are 2-3% ahead in.

    I suspect they'll end up gaining 25-30 seats and just snagging the House.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    IN Senate called for GOP
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Watching Bredensen fall far short in Tennessee and Indiana revert to the Reds, I wouldn't feel too good if I were Jon Tester in Montana right now.

    Says the man who has bets on him holding on.
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