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  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    edited December 2018
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    "Asked why he'd systematically and flagrantly violated commons standards by not declaring over 50K of income, the disgraced sack of shit and amoral sociopathic snake Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is reported to have made some pompous but irrelevant reference to a Greek poet he once read on Twitter."

    Yes - @Alanbrooke if you want to see someone who really believes there are little people (as in the ones who have to pay their taxes/declare things when they have to) - you should watch Boris' apology.
    @Topping sorry real life has an irritating habit of getting in the way of blogging

    wrt your earlier post

    Cameron was under no obligation to call the referendum.

    As was pointed out at the time if Leaving was such a potential disaster he should never have called the referendum.

    A Labour government is a potential disaster, doesn't mean we shouldn't have general elections.
    and Cameron chose to call the referendum because the thought he had it in the bag. I have no problem with this bar the endless obfuscation of Cameroons who just wont face up to this simple fact.

    Camron had other options
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    It's hard to see how a no deal wont create a lot of problems, the advantage is it will be like ripping off a sticky plaster and then we can just get on with it. But we will have businesses who lose customers they will never get back. We will have disruption to our just in time society, in which efficiency and logistics are more important than resilience.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Pulpstar said:
    Honestly I'm surprised he wasn't counted before.

    He's been bad-mouthing the deal on Twitter for weeks. Was frankly unconscionable to expect he'd support it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,835
    Sean_F said:

    Re VONC.

    Labour can only win this if they first abstain on the MV. That leaves 314 Conservatives + Elphicke + Griffiths (after excluding speaker and one deputy)

    323 non-Conservatives (after excluding two Deputy Speakers)

    Labour + DUP + SNP+ Green have 303.

    So it comes down to the Lib Dems, Plaid, Lady Hermon and 5 ex-Labour. Do they benefit from an early election or not?

    Think you can safely put Plaid in the opposition column. It would take some leap of logic to prop up the Tories.
  • Pulpstar said:
    Oh Johnny.

    Anyhoo, I have a new man crush anyway.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    notme said:

    It's hard to see how a no deal wont create a lot of problems, the advantage is it will be like ripping off a sticky plaster and then we can just get on with it.

    More like ripping off a leg and hoping we don't bleed to death
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    "Asked why he'd systematically and flagrantly violated commons standards by not declaring over 50K of income, the disgraced sack of shit and amoral sociopathic snake Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is reported to have made some pompous but irrelevant reference to a Greek poet he once read on Twitter."

    Yes - @Alanbrooke if you want to see someone who really believes there are little people (as in the ones who have to pay their taxes/declare things when they have to) - you should watch Boris' apology.
    @Topping sorry real life has an irritating habit of getting in the way of blogging

    wrt your earlier post

    Cameron was under no obligation to call the referendum.

    As was pointed out at the time if Leaving was such a potential disaster he should never have called the referendum.

    A Labour government is a potential disaster, doesn't mean we shouldn't have general elections.
    and Cameron chose to call the referendum because the thought he had it in the bag. I have no problem with this bar the endless obfuscation of Cameroons who just wont face up to this simple fact.

    Camron had other options
    He chose to offer it because he needed the Kippers' votes. They gave him the votes, and he then held it because we read his lips - he had offered it.

    Politics is sometimes quite simple.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    dixiedean said:

    Sean_F said:

    Re VONC.

    Labour can only win this if they first abstain on the MV. That leaves 314 Conservatives + Elphicke + Griffiths (after excluding speaker and one deputy)

    323 non-Conservatives (after excluding two Deputy Speakers)

    Labour + DUP + SNP+ Green have 303.

    So it comes down to the Lib Dems, Plaid, Lady Hermon and 5 ex-Labour. Do they benefit from an early election or not?

    Think you can safely put Plaid in the opposition column. It would take some leap of logic to prop up the Tories.
    I certainly don't think they'd vote with the Tories. But in deciding whether to vote against, as opposed to abstain, each party needs to decide if a fresh election benefits them (I don't think a fresh election would help the SNP, but they're so viscerally anti-Tory that it won't matter).
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    It doesn't much matter what the 'no-dealer' public think because it'll never get a majority in parliament. After Mark Carney's good work not even close.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    "Asked why he'd systematically and flagrantly violated commons standards by not declaring over 50K of income, the disgraced sack of shit and amoral sociopathic snake Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is reported to have made some pompous but irrelevant reference to a Greek poet he once read on Twitter."

    Yes - @Alanbrooke if you want to see someone who really believes there are little people (as in the ones who have to pay their taxes/declare things when they have to) - you should watch Boris' apology.
    @Topping sorry real life has an irritating habit of getting in the way of blogging

    wrt your earlier post

    Cameron was under no obligation to call the referendum.

    As was pointed out at the time if Leaving was such a potential disaster he should never have called the referendum.

    A Labour government is a potential disaster, doesn't mean we shouldn't have general elections.
    and Cameron chose to call the referendum because the thought he had it in the bag. I have no problem with this bar the endless obfuscation of Cameroons who just wont face up to this simple fact.

    Camron had other options
    He chose to offer it because he needed the Kippers' votes. They gave him the votes, and he then held it because we read his lips - he had offered it.

    Politics is sometimes quite simple.
    He could have got back disaffected righties any time by offering bread and butter policies and toning back the rhetoric on his detox. he chose not to.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    If we have a fresh election, I'd still expect the Tories to win 300 or so seats.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    How different might Brexit have turned out if instead of sacking Osborne, May had made him Brexit secretary?
  • Starting to develop a rather unhealthy fixation with Alisson Becker.

    I haven’t had these feelings since Johnny Mercer.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    TOPPING said:

    All roads lead to The Deal. I might top up but it does rely on people being halfway sensible.

    Yeah I'm going to hold my nerve. Some tinkering perhaps, and loads more noise, but we leave on 29 March 2019 pretty much on these terms. To misquote Bergerac, when you eliminate the 'surely cannot happen' whatever is left, however implausible, must come to pass.
  • Scott_P said:

    How different might Brexit have turned out if instead of sacking Osborne, May had made him Brexit secretary?

    He wouldn't have been able to do the job.

    He fundamentally disagrees with Brexit, he would have delivered BINO and that's not fair on the electorate.
  • Roger said:

    Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    It doesn't much matter what the 'no-dealer' public think because it'll never get a majority in parliament. After Mark Carney's good work not even close.
    And thats the problem with a second referendum. There is no current decision for any binary choice in a referendum which will be respected by parliment.

    Parliment will reject both no deal, and will reject May's deal, so what would be referendum be on. Remain or ?????
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    edited December 2018

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    "Asked why he'd systematically and flagrantly violated commons standards by not declaring over 50K of income, the disgraced sack of shit and amoral sociopathic snake Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is reported to have made some pompous but irrelevant reference to a Greek poet he once read on Twitter."

    Yes - @Alanbrooke if you want to see someone who really believes there are little people (as in the ones who have to pay their taxes/declare things when they have to) - you should watch Boris' apology.
    @Topping sorry real life has an irritating habit of getting in the way of blogging

    wrt your earlier post

    Cameron was under no obligation to call the referendum.

    As was pointed out at the time if Leaving was such a potential disaster he should never have called the referendum.

    A Labour government is a potential disaster, doesn't mean we shouldn't have general elections.
    and Cameron chose to call the referendum because the thought he had it in the bag. I have no problem with this bar the endless obfuscation of Cameroons who just wont face up to this simple fact.

    Camron had other options
    He chose to offer it because he needed the Kippers' votes. They gave him the votes, and he then held it because we read his lips - he had offered it.

    Politics is sometimes quite simple.
    He could have got back disaffected righties any time by offering bread and butter policies and toning back the rhetoric on his detox. he chose not to.

    We'll have to agree to see it differently. 4m UKIP voters wanted one thing - an in/out EU referendum. Dave's was the only party (short of UKIP itself) to offer that and he thereby got the votes to form the next government. UKIP didn't want in particular a better NHS, more money spent on defence, or an end to Sure Start (they might of course have wanted all those things). They wanted an EU referendum and that's what they got.

    Politics.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    edited December 2018
    The funny thing about that Times "every possible outcome" spreadsheet is it's a long way from complete.

    Some possibilities that are missed:

    * May gets the MV passed, DUP VONC her government.

    * Government gets an amendment to the MV saying MPs must have a vote on the backstop. EU points out that the WA doesn't say that. WA can't be ratified by the EU27 because May has derogated part of the text.

    * May loses the MV, the Norwegians take control, we ask the Council for an extension to do Norway properly, Council says no, doesn't believe our pivot is in good faith.

    * May loses the MV, remainers take control, force May to revoke A50. May VONCed. New Tory leader invokes A50 again. ECJ says the second invocation is abusive, refuses.
  • Scott_P said:

    How different might Brexit have turned out if instead of sacking Osborne, May had made him Brexit secretary?

    :lol:

    Quite brilliant counter-factual idea.

    However, George can spot a stinking chalice of pure poison when he sees one. So a polite decline I would have thought.
  • Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    The people advocating (an effectively unplanned) no deal, at some point, will have to engage with and own the practicalities.

    Having looked at this in a lot of depth / detail in the last two months, it is literally a complete disaster waiting to happen. And we will still need to - then urgently - negotiate a deal!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765

    Roger said:

    Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    It doesn't much matter what the 'no-dealer' public think because it'll never get a majority in parliament. After Mark Carney's good work not even close.
    And thats the problem with a second referendum. There is no current decision for any binary choice in a referendum which will be respected by parliment.

    Parliment will reject both no deal, and will reject May's deal, so what would be referendum be on. Remain or ?????
    Remain v Remain and join the Euro.
  • Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    The people advocating (an effectively unplanned) no deal, at some point, will have to engage with and own the practicalities.

    Having looked at this in a lot of depth / detail in the last two months, it is literally a complete disaster waiting to happen. And we will still need to - then urgently - negotiate a deal!
    Not really. They can just do what Labour are doing, and claim that if they were in charge things would be so much better and work so easily...
  • Scott_P said:

    How different might Brexit have turned out if instead of sacking Osborne, May had made him Brexit secretary?

    :lol:

    Quite brilliant counter-factual idea.

    However, George can spot a stinking chalice of pure poison when he sees one. So a polite decline I would have thought.
    Mrs May should have made Gove Brexit Secretary in July 2016.

    But like Osborne, she had clashed with him, so she put vindictiveness ahead of the national interest.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    It doesn't much matter what the 'no-dealer' public think because it'll never get a majority in parliament. After Mark Carney's good work not even close.
    And thats the problem with a second referendum. There is no current decision for any binary choice in a referendum which will be respected by parliment.

    Parliment will reject both no deal, and will reject May's deal, so what would be referendum be on. Remain or ?????
    Remain v Remain and join the Euro.
    ITV vs BBC
  • The funny thing about that Times "every possible outcome" spreadsheet is it's a long way from complete.

    Some possibilities that are missed:

    * May gets the MV passed, DUP VONC her government.

    * Government gets an amendment to the MV saying MPs must have a vote on the backstop. EU points out that the WA doesn't say that. WA can't be ratified by the EU27 because May has derogated part of the text.

    * May loses the MV, the Norwegians take control, we ask the Council for an extension to do Norway properly, Council says no, doesn't believe our pivot is in good faith.

    * May loses the MV, remainers take control, force May to revoke A50. May VONCed. New Tory leader invokes A50 again. ECJ says the second invocation is abusive, refuses.

    So many possibilities adding to total confusion.

    I have come to terms with Que Sera Sera
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038

    Starting to develop a rather unhealthy fixation with Alisson Becker.

    I haven’t had these feelings since Johnny Mercer.

    Had to google her.
  • Roger said:

    Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    It doesn't much matter what the 'no-dealer' public think because it'll never get a majority in parliament. After Mark Carney's good work not even close.
    And thats the problem with a second referendum. There is no current decision for any binary choice in a referendum which will be respected by parliment.

    Parliment will reject both no deal, and will reject May's deal, so what would be referendum be on. Remain or ?????
    Since the first referendum decided we would leave , any second referendum would need to be a choice between two different ways of leaving WTO/managed no deal versus May's deal.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    edited December 2018



    _____________________________________________
    England will now play either Russia or Croatia in the World Cup 2018 semi-finals on Wednesday 11 July 2018.
    _______________________________

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/england-world-cup-2018-semi-final-date-who-play-next-when-russia-croatia-vs-sweden-a8436431.html

    Why doesn't the football writer want the English football team to have any team to prepare for possibly the biggest game we have had in decades?! (this article was pretty much straight after our quarter final)

    He is as mad as Corbyn in his suggestion we should play the game right now!!

    Even if we ignore the impracticality of the Croatia Vs Russia game having to finish before it even starts so our game against the winners can start.

    This article is also written on the 7th July. He wants the team to play a game now which is on the 11th July. Somehow they have to bend time to make the 11th July immeadiate.

    Either that or this professional journalist is employing a widely used use of the word now that is perfectly acceptable and widely understood and not used against him because there is no political benefit.

    Admittedly it is more obvious the football journalist doesn't mean right now when he says now but those seeking political advantage can claim to know exactly what was meant.
    First two lines of the article under the headline:

    "Jeremy Corbyn has said Article 50 must be invoked immediately and that a Leave vote prevailed because of anger against marginalisation and austerity.

    He said the result of the poll means the exit clause – Article 50, which would give a two year period for Britain to leave – must be observed as soon as possible in an interview with the BBC"
    You notice the problem with the lack of quotes there?

    Couldn't I have wrote a similar article regarding the independent football writer? IFW from here in.

    IFW says England must play game against winners of Russia vs Croatia immediately.

    IFW says England played well etc. won because players and manager.

    He says the game should be played right now on the 11th july despite today being the 7th of July. He also claims the game should be played against the winners of Croatia vs Russia right now before they have even played their quarter final.

    Edit:

    There is a possibility both me and the other article would be wrong in our assumption that he IFW in my case and Corbyn in theirs meant right now when he said now...

    Especially when you consider he agreed with Daniel Hannan that we needed a strategy...

    Presumably one that is formed in less time than right now entails?!
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    For your calendars:

    #Brexit: the ruling on the reversibility of #Article50 TEU (case C-621/18 Wightman) will be delivered on 10th December at 9 CET

    https://twitter.com/EUCourtPress/status/1070594350948761600?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,965
    edited December 2018
    Dadge said:

    Starting to develop a rather unhealthy fixation with Alisson Becker.

    I haven’t had these feelings since Johnny Mercer.

    Had to google her.
    Him.

    https://tinyurl.com/AlissonYouBeautifulBastard
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    "Asked why he'd systematically and flagrantly violated commons standards by not declaring over 50K of income, the disgraced sack of shit and amoral sociopathic snake Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is reported to have made some pompous but irrelevant reference to a Greek poet he once read on Twitter."

    Yes - @Alanbrooke if you want to see someone who really believes there are little people (as in the ones who have to pay their taxes/declare things when they have to) - you should watch Boris' apology.
    @Topping sorry real life has an irritating habit of getting in the way of blogging

    wrt your earlier post

    Cameron was under no obligation to call the referendum.

    As was pointed out at the time if Leaving was such a potential disaster he should never have called the referendum.

    A Labour government is a potential disaster, doesn't mean we shouldn't have general elections.
    and Cameron chose to call the referendum because the thought he had it in the bag. I have no problem with this bar the endless obfuscation of Cameroons who just wont face up to this simple fact.

    Camron had other options
    He chose to offer it because he needed the Kippers' votes. They gave him the votes, and he then held it because we read his lips - he had offered it.

    Politics is sometimes quite simple.
    He could have got back disaffected righties any time by offering bread and butter policies and toning back the rhetoric on his detox. he chose not to.

    We'll have to agree to see it differently. 4m UKIP voters wanted one thing - an in/out EU referendum. Dave was the only party (short of UKIP itself) to offer that and he thereby got the votes to form the next government. UKIP didn't want in particular a better NHS, more money spent on defence, or an end to Sure Start (they might of course have wanted all those things). They wanted an EU referendum and that's what they got.

    Politics.
    UKIP simply picked up a lot of the pissed off voters

    Daves plan was to move to the centre and be able to ignore the fruitcakes.

    He took a risk and it didnt come off, that's life. It never ceases to amaze me why Cameronns can't accept this.
  • Starting to develop a rather unhealthy fixation with Alisson Becker.

    I haven’t had these feelings since Johnny Mercer.

    Becker more decisive than Mercer.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    'Friends of Leadsom say a Javid-Leadsom leadership bid would be a "dream ticket"...'

    Friends of Javid are currently in intensive care from laughing so hard they might fucking die.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    Sean_F said:

    If we have a fresh election, I'd still expect the Tories to win 300 or so seats.

    Unless Farage and co quickly set up a new party, the Tories seem nailed on for 300+ seats.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Re VONC.

    Labour can only win this if they first abstain on the MV. That leaves 314 Conservatives + Elphicke + Griffiths (after excluding speaker and one deputy)

    323 non-Conservatives (after excluding two Deputy Speakers)

    Labour + DUP + SNP+ Green have 303.

    So it comes down to the Lib Dems, Plaid, Lady Hermon and 5 ex-Labour. Do they benefit from an early election or not?

    I think Lady Hermon will do everything to stop Corbyn becoming PM.

    The Lib Dems are very much anti Brexit, but financially they don't have a pot to piss in, so really wouldn't welcome an early election, so they could go either way.
    I think that's correct. 317 votes for the government is probably the target to beat (unless Wollaston refuses to support the government).
    John Woodcock would struggle to look his Margaret Thatcher poster in the eye if he let the left get power...

    If you are looking for someone else to vote with the Tories he is the most likely.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    Roger said:

    Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    It doesn't much matter what the 'no-dealer' public think because it'll never get a majority in parliament. After Mark Carney's good work not even close.
    And thats the problem with a second referendum. There is no current decision for any binary choice in a referendum which will be respected by parliment.

    Parliment will reject both no deal, and will reject May's deal, so what would be referendum be on. Remain or ?????
    Remain vs planned, defined, legislated no deal. Parliament either defines a form of Brexit it can agree is deliverable and not catastrophic, which it’s therefore OK to put to the electorate, or if it really can’t identify any form of Brexit that is deliverable and not catastrophic, revokes A50 unilaterally because the referendum was not a choice between deliverable outcomes.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,784
    On a straight, Con against VONC, DUP abstain, everyone else for, that makes it 316-313. DUP for -> 316-323

    The variables are few in number:

    - unavoidable absences
    - any Tory VoNCers: probably not
    - Woodcock, O'Mara
    - Lady Sylvia

    Short of longer odds party oddities: LD demur, SNP get themselves chucked out, SF rock up: it looks to me very much like the DUP do indeed swing this.

  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    Dadge said:

    Starting to develop a rather unhealthy fixation with Alisson Becker.

    I haven’t had these feelings since Johnny Mercer.

    Had to google her.
    Him.

    https://tinyurl.com/AlissonYouBeautifulBastard
    HE HAS A GIRL'S NAME

    (would though)
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,678
    HYUFD said:

    ..... probably with a new Farage and Bannon party started soon after....

    I've seen this already. Did you mean to say Farage and BANKS? Or do you really believe Steve Bannon is going to come here and help Farage?

  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    'Friends of Leadsom say a Javid-Leadsom leadership bid would be a "dream ticket"...'

    Friends of Javid are currently in intensive care from laughing so hard they might fucking die.
    In fairness, they haven’t said what it is a dream ticket for. They’d be perfect guinea pigs for Mr Dancers Space Cannon.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Scott_P said:
    Just send them all to Gibraltar. They can live with the monkeys.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,784

    Starting to develop a rather unhealthy fixation with Alisson Becker.

    I haven’t had these feelings since Johnny Mercer.

    But would you stare into his eyes and see his Dad Malcolm staring back at you?
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Pro_Rata said:

    On a straight, Con against VONC, DUP abstain, everyone else for, that makes it 316-313. DUP for -> 316-323

    The variables are few in number:

    - unavoidable absences
    - any Tory VoNCers: probably not
    - Woodcock, O'Mara
    - Lady Sylvia

    Short of longer odds party oddities: LD demur, SNP get themselves chucked out, SF rock up: it looks to me very much like the DUP do indeed swing this.

    Interesting idea, if anyone could get Sinn Fein to take their seats and do the dirty on the DUP, it would be Corbyn.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    Polruan said:

    Roger said:

    Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    It doesn't much matter what the 'no-dealer' public think because it'll never get a majority in parliament. After Mark Carney's good work not even close.
    And thats the problem with a second referendum. There is no current decision for any binary choice in a referendum which will be respected by parliment.

    Parliment will reject both no deal, and will reject May's deal, so what would be referendum be on. Remain or ?????
    Remain vs planned, defined, legislated no deal. Parliament either defines a form of Brexit it can agree is deliverable and not catastrophic, which it’s therefore OK to put to the electorate, or if it really can’t identify any form of Brexit that is deliverable and not catastrophic, revokes A50 unilaterally because the referendum was not a choice between deliverable outcomes.
    That would require courage on the part of our MPs, and that's where I think I've spotted the flaw in that plan.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Another interesting idea: Corbyn makes the DUP a better offer.

    It's not inconceivable.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    Pro_Rata said:

    On a straight, Con against VONC, DUP abstain, everyone else for, that makes it 316-313. DUP for -> 316-323

    The variables are few in number:

    - unavoidable absences
    - any Tory VoNCers: probably not
    - Woodcock, O'Mara
    - Lady Sylvia

    Short of longer odds party oddities: LD demur, SNP get themselves chucked out, SF rock up: it looks to me very much like the DUP do indeed swing this.

    Interesting idea, if anyone could get Sinn Fein to take their seats and do the dirty on the DUP, it would be Corbyn.
    unlikely theyve already painted themselves in to a corner

    https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/sinn-fin-should-resign-seats-in-westminster-ahead-of-brexit-vote-varadkar-37565881.html
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765

    Another interesting idea: Corbyn makes the DUP a better offer.

    It's not inconceivable.

    Maybe Corbyn will join the Orange Order.
  • Polruan said:

    Roger said:

    Listening to the media reports from across the UK, the views of mps across parties, and the most recent polls it is hard not to see a comprehensive defeat for the deal

    However, I am surprised at the extent of support for no deal and that we have to leave.

    In addition it does look like a second referendum is losing ground and becoming less likely

    Len McCluskey has put the boot in to those in labour seeking another referendum saying it would be a disaster in leave areas

    I am surprised how it appears the demand to leave is growing and becoming a majority view

    Or maybe not,

    It doesn't much matter what the 'no-dealer' public think because it'll never get a majority in parliament. After Mark Carney's good work not even close.
    And thats the problem with a second referendum. There is no current decision for any binary choice in a referendum which will be respected by parliment.

    Parliment will reject both no deal, and will reject May's deal, so what would be referendum be on. Remain or ?????
    Remain vs planned, defined, legislated no deal. Parliament either defines a form of Brexit it can agree is deliverable and not catastrophic, which it’s therefore OK to put to the electorate, or if it really can’t identify any form of Brexit that is deliverable and not catastrophic, revokes A50 unilaterally because the referendum was not a choice between deliverable outcomes.
    In which case, Parliment should never have opened the Pandora's box of the referendum in the first place, but it did.....and that includes labour MPs which voted for it as well.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,718

    Dadge said:

    Starting to develop a rather unhealthy fixation with Alisson Becker.

    I haven’t had these feelings since Johnny Mercer.

    Had to google her.
    Him.

    https://tinyurl.com/AlissonYouBeautifulBastard
    HE HAS A GIRL'S NAME

    (would though)
    I blame the parents!
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    edited December 2018
    Sean_F said:


    That would require courage on the part of our MPs, and that's where I think I've spotted the flaw in that plan.

    My man Burke quoth:

    Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.

    Government and legislation are matters of reason and judgment, and not of inclination; and what sort of reason is that, in which the determination precedes the discussion?


    Amen sister.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Scott_P said:
    Yes the likelihood is the Commons either votes for May's Deal on the second vote or EEA and Customs Union
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,784

    Pro_Rata said:

    On a straight, Con against VONC, DUP abstain, everyone else for, that makes it 316-313. DUP for -> 316-323

    The variables are few in number:

    - unavoidable absences
    - any Tory VoNCers: probably not
    - Woodcock, O'Mara
    - Lady Sylvia

    Short of longer odds party oddities: LD demur, SNP get themselves chucked out, SF rock up: it looks to me very much like the DUP do indeed swing this.

    Interesting idea, if anyone could get Sinn Fein to take their seats and do the dirty on the DUP, it would be Corbyn.
    It is the PB law, almost #1. One must consider and then dismiss Sinn Fein turning up at every relevant point.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,275

    HYUFD said:

    ..... probably with a new Farage and Bannon party started soon after....

    I've seen this already. Did you mean to say Farage and BANKS? Or do you really believe Steve Bannon is going to come here and help Farage?

    The only place Banks is going is to prison, for a very, very, very long time.
    That is a potentially libellous comment and you or the moderators might want to think about amending or deleting it.
    Can a prediction ever be libellous?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    ..... probably with a new Farage and Bannon party started soon after....

    I've seen this already. Did you mean to say Farage and BANKS? Or do you really believe Steve Bannon is going to come here and help Farage?

    Bannon has been plotting a new Brexit party in the UK for some time
  • AllyPally_RobAllyPally_Rob Posts: 605
    edited December 2018
    “Merely the result of a Remainer Government guided by a Europhile civil service, then crippled by an election disaster, conducting a half hearted and naive negotiation while keeping Cabinet Brexiteers in the dark”.

    Here you have it folks. The "stab in the back myth" is already up and running.

    If only the cabinet had believed in Brexit more. If only they'd all worn union jack boxers and sung Rule Britannia at sun rise every morning.

    God forbid that any of their readers believe this nonsense.
  • HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Yes the likelihood is the Commons either votes for May's Deal on the second vote or EEA and Customs Union
    I can't see it voting for May's Deal. They're not going to trash it over and over, then vote for it. EEA is more likely.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559

    “Merely the result of a Remainer Government guided by a Europhile civil service, then crippled by an election disaster, conducting a half hearted and naive negotiation while report Cabinet Brexiteers in the dark”.

    Here you have it folks. The "stab in the back myth" is already up and running.

    If only the cabinet had believed in Brexit more. If only they'd all worn union jack boxers and sung Rule Britannia at sun rise every morning.

    God forbid that any of their readers believe this nonsense.
    is it any different than the voters are too stupid myth ?
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Yes the likelihood is the Commons either votes for May's Deal on the second vote or EEA and Customs Union
    I think you've missed the point of the Grieve amendment. May won't now get a chance to put it to a second vote. Whatever Plan B she brings back, the Commons will salami slice it and amend it into whatever they want.

    May gets one and only one chance to stop Parliament from taking back control, and that's winning the MV.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    Scott_P said:
    A lot of them (who came from the South) will discover that they cannot afford to return. I'm aware of a few people who looked into it and gave it up as a bad job...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited December 2018

    Pulpstar said:
    Oh Johnny.

    Anyhoo, I have a new man crush anyway.
    Johnny Mercer has a man crush on AJ from Strictly based on his comments on 'Celebrity Hunted'
  • XenonXenon Posts: 471

    “Merely the result of a Remainer Government guided by a Europhile civil service, then crippled by an election disaster, conducting a half hearted and naive negotiation while report Cabinet Brexiteers in the dark”.

    Here you have it folks. The "stab in the back myth" is already up and running.

    If only the cabinet had believed in Brexit more. If only they'd all worn union jack boxers and sung Rule Britannia at sun rise every morning.

    God forbid that any of their readers believe this nonsense.
    Or if only they'd tried to exit the EU so we could become an independent nation as voted for in the largest vote ever in the UK.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    HYUFD said:

    ..... probably with a new Farage and Bannon party started soon after....

    I've seen this already. Did you mean to say Farage and BANKS? Or do you really believe Steve Bannon is going to come here and help Farage?

    The only place Banks is going is to prison, for a very, very, very long time.
    That is a potentially libellous comment and you or the moderators might want to think about amending or deleting it.
    Can a prediction ever be libellous?
    I was wondering the same thing. I have no power to compel Arron Banks to go to prison, I just think it very likely.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,275

    “Merely the result of a Remainer Government guided by a Europhile civil service, then crippled by an election disaster, conducting a half hearted and naive negotiation while keeping Cabinet Brexiteers in the dark”.

    Here you have it folks. The "stab in the back myth" is already up and running.

    If only the cabinet had believed in Brexit more. If only they'd all worn union jack boxers and sung Rule Britannia at sun rise every morning.

    God forbid that any of their readers believe this nonsense.
    What I find hard to comprehend is the mentality and motivation of the leader writers. Do they really believe this stuff? Do they think it echoes their readers' beliefs? Do they just not give a shit so long as it creates good copy?

    Related, is the DM still holiding the May Deal line?
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    edited December 2018
    Oh great, we're now at the right wing press deliberately inciting gammon violence phase of Brexit.

    Still, it's rather sweet in a way. There's still one single, solitary newspaper that hasn't figured out Brexit has failed yet.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    Sean_F said:

    Another interesting idea: Corbyn makes the DUP a better offer.

    It's not inconceivable.

    Maybe Corbyn will join the Orange Order.
    I once saw a march in Liverpool Riverside from the Adelphi Hotel, which is as safe a Labour seat as you'll get.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    eek said:

    Scott_P said:
    A lot of them (who came from the South) will discover that they cannot afford to return. I'm aware of a few people who looked into it and gave it up as a bad job...
    The house my mother sold in Twickenham in 1987 for £275,000 to move to Spain would now cost £950,000.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,275

    HYUFD said:

    ..... probably with a new Farage and Bannon party started soon after....

    I've seen this already. Did you mean to say Farage and BANKS? Or do you really believe Steve Bannon is going to come here and help Farage?

    The only place Banks is going is to prison, for a very, very, very long time.
    That is a potentially libellous comment and you or the moderators might want to think about amending or deleting it.
    Can a prediction ever be libellous?
    I was wondering the same thing. I have no power to compel Arron Banks to go to prison, I just think it very likely.
    And you are surely entitled to express your opinion.
  • Xenon said:

    “Merely the result of a Remainer Government guided by a Europhile civil service, then crippled by an election disaster, conducting a half hearted and naive negotiation while report Cabinet Brexiteers in the dark”.

    Here you have it folks. The "stab in the back myth" is already up and running.

    If only the cabinet had believed in Brexit more. If only they'd all worn union jack boxers and sung Rule Britannia at sun rise every morning.

    God forbid that any of their readers believe this nonsense.
    Or if only they'd tried to exit the EU so we could become an independent nation as voted for in the largest vote ever in the UK.
    You seriously think that if it were possible to leave the EU including the customs union and single market, without a hard border in Ireland that May wouldn't have done it?

    Unless you think a hard border is fine, in which case go ahead and say it. If not you simply run up against the same pesky facts that have lead us to this terrible but inevitable deal.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    I remember when Jeremy Hunt was referred to the standards commissioner @HYUFD said that was the end of Hunt's leadership ambitions.

    Hunt was cleared but Boris was not.

    Hopefully HYUFD will be consistent and say that today is the end of the disgraced sack of shit and amoral sociopathic snake Boris Johnson's leadership ambitions.

    Of course not, no Boris story on the BBC headlines and Boris leads the latest ConHome Tory members poll by more than second placed Javid and Raab combined
  • Sean_F said:


    That would require courage on the part of our MPs, and that's where I think I've spotted the flaw in that plan.

    My man Burke quoth:

    Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.

    Government and legislation are matters of reason and judgment, and not of inclination; and what sort of reason is that, in which the determination precedes the discussion?


    Amen sister.
    Though it is worth pointing out that at the next election, having stuck to his principles by voting against the wishes of his constituents, he was summarily ejected by the voters of Bristol. He also opposed extending the franchise on the basic grounds that the people were not bright enough to make decisions.

    Not exactly a great advert for Parliamentary democracy.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,784
    eek said:

    Scott_P said:
    A lot of them (who came from the South) will discover that they cannot afford to return. I'm aware of a few people who looked into it and gave it up as a bad job...
    Mostly Leavers perhaps? They could always go and live in Stoke. If they don't like it, the A50 option to leave is somewhat easier.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    eek said:

    Scott_P said:
    A lot of them (who came from the South) will discover that they cannot afford to return. I'm aware of a few people who looked into it and gave it up as a bad job...
    but how will they get back ?

    There will be no cars or planes or trains and even if they get here they can only eat soil for the rest of their lives etc.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234


    Though it is worth pointing out that at the next election, having stuck to his principles by voting against the wishes of his constituents, he was summarily ejected by the voters of Bristol. He also opposed extending the franchise on the basic grounds that the people were not bright enough to make decisions.

    Not exactly a great advert for Parliamentary democracy.

    You know what they say: the best argument against representative democracy is a five minute convesation with Nadine Dorries.

    At least I think that's how it goes.
  • “Merely the result of a Remainer Government guided by a Europhile civil service, then crippled by an election disaster, conducting a half hearted and naive negotiation while keeping Cabinet Brexiteers in the dark”.

    Here you have it folks. The "stab in the back myth" is already up and running.

    If only the cabinet had believed in Brexit more. If only they'd all worn union jack boxers and sung Rule Britannia at sun rise every morning.

    God forbid that any of their readers believe this nonsense.
    What I find hard to comprehend is the mentality and motivation of the leader writers. Do they really believe this stuff? Do they think it echoes their readers' beliefs? Do they just not give a shit so long as it creates good copy?

    Related, is the DM still holiding the May Deal line?
    If it echo's their readers it sells copies, that's pretty much the sole motivating factor with the tabloid press.

    Some of my extended family have been buying the Sun for over 20 years on a daily basis, and this line pretty much matches their opinion.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,275

    “Merely the result of a Remainer Government guided by a Europhile civil service, then crippled by an election disaster, conducting a half hearted and naive negotiation while keeping Cabinet Brexiteers in the dark”.

    Here you have it folks. The "stab in the back myth" is already up and running.

    If only the cabinet had believed in Brexit more. If only they'd all worn union jack boxers and sung Rule Britannia at sun rise every morning.

    God forbid that any of their readers believe this nonsense.
    What I find hard to comprehend is the mentality and motivation of the leader writers. Do they really believe this stuff? Do they think it echoes their readers' beliefs? Do they just not give a shit so long as it creates good copy?

    Related, is the DM still holiding the May Deal line?
    If it echo's their readers it sells copies, that's pretty much the sole motivating factor with the tabloid press.

    Some of my extended family have been buying the Sun for over 20 years on a daily basis, and this line pretty much matches their opinion.
    OTH my mum has bought it daily since the 70s but she's a firm Remainer. She's says "oh, I don't pay any attention to all that politics rubbish".
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    eek said:

    Scott_P said:
    A lot of them (who came from the South) will discover that they cannot afford to return. I'm aware of a few people who looked into it and gave it up as a bad job...
    Given they'll all be retired why would they need to move back to the south (and we mean the South East), the only advantage of which I can see are better employment prospects.
    They might all move to one of the prettier but cheaper places without much employment. Pembrokeshire perhaps.
  • “Merely the result of a Remainer Government guided by a Europhile civil service, then crippled by an election disaster, conducting a half hearted and naive negotiation while keeping Cabinet Brexiteers in the dark”.

    Here you have it folks. The "stab in the back myth" is already up and running.

    If only the cabinet had believed in Brexit more. If only they'd all worn union jack boxers and sung Rule Britannia at sun rise every morning.

    God forbid that any of their readers believe this nonsense.
    What I find hard to comprehend is the mentality and motivation of the leader writers. Do they really believe this stuff? Do they think it echoes their readers' beliefs? Do they just not give a shit so long as it creates good copy?

    Related, is the DM still holiding the May Deal line?
    If it echo's their readers it sells copies, that's pretty much the sole motivating factor with the tabloid press.

    Some of my extended family have been buying the Sun for over 20 years on a daily basis, and this line pretty much matches their opinion.
    OTH my mum has bought it daily since the 70s but she's a firm Remainer. She's says "oh, I don't pay any attention to all that politics rubbish".
    Haha my mum is the same, buy's the Mail on Sunday and occasionally the Mail in the week. She's Labour Remain, but she likes the magazine and TV guide.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    edited December 2018


    If it echo's their readers it sells copies, that's pretty much the sole motivating factor with the tabloid press.

    Some of my extended family have been buying the Sun for over 20 years on a daily basis, and this line pretty much matches their opinion.

    The Sun is losing around 7-8% of its readers every year, so if the purpose of the editorial line is to sell more papers, it clearly doesn't work.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    Oh great, we're now at the right wing press deliberately inciting gammon violence phase of Brexit.

    Still, it's rather sweet in a way. There's still one single, solitary newspaper that hasn't figured out Brexit has failed yet.

    I think their hope is if they can get a few more MPs taken out then parliament will come to its senses and listen to their demands...
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Pro_Rata said:

    eek said:

    Scott_P said:
    A lot of them (who came from the South) will discover that they cannot afford to return. I'm aware of a few people who looked into it and gave it up as a bad job...
    Mostly Leavers perhaps? They could always go and live in Stoke. If they don't like it, the A50 option to leave is somewhat easier.
    The A50 runs through Stoke (or the eastern part of it) so a good location for Leavers.... :D
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901


    Though it is worth pointing out that at the next election, having stuck to his principles by voting against the wishes of his constituents, he was summarily ejected by the voters of Bristol. He also opposed extending the franchise on the basic grounds that the people were not bright enough to make decisions.

    Not exactly a great advert for Parliamentary democracy.

    You know what they say: the best argument against representative democracy is a five minute convesation with Nadine Dorries.

    At least I think that's how it goes.
    Five minutes? Wow! That’s serious stamina.
  • HYUFD said:

    ..... probably with a new Farage and Bannon party started soon after....

    I've seen this already. Did you mean to say Farage and BANKS? Or do you really believe Steve Bannon is going to come here and help Farage?

    The only place Banks is going is to prison, for a very, very, very long time.
    That is a potentially libellous comment and you or the moderators might want to think about amending or deleting it.
    Can a prediction ever be libellous?
    Maybe it's best, given the site, to term such predictions in betting terms. Quite what odds might be deemed libellous would be an interesting case. Is 3/1 (there's a chance) libellous? How about 5/6 (more likely than not)? What about 1/5 (really pretty likely)? Or 1/1000 (a virtual certainty)?
  • Pro_Rata said:

    eek said:

    Scott_P said:
    A lot of them (who came from the South) will discover that they cannot afford to return. I'm aware of a few people who looked into it and gave it up as a bad job...
    Mostly Leavers perhaps? They could always go and live in Stoke. If they don't like it, the A50 option to leave is somewhat easier.
    The A50 runs through Stoke (or the eastern part of it) so a good location for Leavers.... :D
    I leave via the A50 every day. I live in hope of a faster transport arrangement, or FTA for short.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,275

    Pro_Rata said:

    eek said:

    Scott_P said:
    A lot of them (who came from the South) will discover that they cannot afford to return. I'm aware of a few people who looked into it and gave it up as a bad job...
    Mostly Leavers perhaps? They could always go and live in Stoke. If they don't like it, the A50 option to leave is somewhat easier.
    The A50 runs through Stoke (or the eastern part of it) so a good location for Leavers.... :D
    I leave via the A50 every day. I live in hope of a faster transport arrangement, or FTA for short.
    Maybe time to revoke your travel plans? :smile:
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    This doesn’t even make sense. It seems some remainers are suffering with the same derangement present in some brexiteeers.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    “Merely the result of a Remainer Government guided by a Europhile civil service, then crippled by an election disaster, conducting a half hearted and naive negotiation while keeping Cabinet Brexiteers in the dark”.

    Here you have it folks. The "stab in the back myth" is already up and running.

    If only the cabinet had believed in Brexit more. If only they'd all worn union jack boxers and sung Rule Britannia at sun rise every morning.

    God forbid that any of their readers believe this nonsense.
    What I find hard to comprehend is the mentality and motivation of the leader writers. Do they really believe this stuff? Do they think it echoes their readers' beliefs? Do they just not give a shit so long as it creates good copy?

    Related, is the DM still holiding the May Deal line?
    If it echo's their readers it sells copies, that's pretty much the sole motivating factor with the tabloid press.

    Some of my extended family have been buying the Sun for over 20 years on a daily basis, and this line pretty much matches their opinion.
    OTH my mum has bought it daily since the 70s but she's a firm Remainer. She's says "oh, I don't pay any attention to all that politics rubbish".
    Haha my mum is the same, buy's the Mail on Sunday and occasionally the Mail in the week. She's Labour Remain, but she likes the magazine and TV guide.
    I guilted my mum (not intentionally) into not buying the Daily Mail years ago, she's very left wing and doesn't get sky because of Rupert Murdoch so I didn't do much more than ask her why she does considering the stuff it prints I think she gave a similar answer about liking other parts.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Pro_Rata said:

    eek said:

    Scott_P said:
    A lot of them (who came from the South) will discover that they cannot afford to return. I'm aware of a few people who looked into it and gave it up as a bad job...
    Mostly Leavers perhaps? They could always go and live in Stoke. If they don't like it, the A50 option to leave is somewhat easier.
    The A50 runs through Stoke (or the eastern part of it) so a good location for Leavers.... :D
    I leave via the A50 every day. I live in hope of a faster transport arrangement, or FTA for short.
    :D Good luck with that one ;)
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Brexit Britain.

    image
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    Pro_Rata said:

    eek said:

    Scott_P said:
    A lot of them (who came from the South) will discover that they cannot afford to return. I'm aware of a few people who looked into it and gave it up as a bad job...
    Mostly Leavers perhaps? They could always go and live in Stoke. If they don't like it, the A50 option to leave is somewhat easier.
    I don't think many people who live in France / Spain voted leave?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,275
    notme said:

    This doesn’t even make sense. It seems some remainers are suffering with the same derangement present in some brexiteeers.
    Let me let you into a little secret...

    ... it's a joke.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Jonathan said:


    Though it is worth pointing out that at the next election, having stuck to his principles by voting against the wishes of his constituents, he was summarily ejected by the voters of Bristol. He also opposed extending the franchise on the basic grounds that the people were not bright enough to make decisions.

    Not exactly a great advert for Parliamentary democracy.

    You know what they say: the best argument against representative democracy is a five minute convesation with Nadine Dorries.

    At least I think that's how it goes.
    Five minutes? Wow! That’s serious stamina.

    Most mps on all sides tend to be considered individuals who take their role very seriously.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574

    Pulpstar said:
    Oh Johnny.

    Anyhoo, I have a new man crush anyway.
    A frisson ?

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