Too late - already booked, although fortunately to S America rather than Europe.
As long as you're a UK citizen, you should be fine. Most flights should be unaffected - it's Border Control that is likely to be a pain point. That being said, if it's non-essential travel, perhaps you shouldn't risk being in the 10%.
On January 8th I'm down to pay £7K for a skiing holiday for my grandchildren and myself in France travelling on 7th April. I've paid a £1K deposit. Should I pay or cancel?
Assuming you are ABTA protected you should be ok shouldn't you? Failing that, what about your travel insurance?
I've heard it argued that Brexit won't be covered because it will come under disruption caused by government action, so Force Majeure.
I work for an insurance company and my desk is close to the underwriters. From what I've heard from casual overhearing (which may not reflect actual policy!), Brexit damage won't be covered unless you have specifically covered for it, because it's a scheduled event with a great deal of notice. If you are in a car crash you are covered, but if a car is heading towards you for two years then you aren't covered. Peeps have been informed of Brexit day for over two years.
If there's one thing I've learned about bad outcomes it's that no one accepts they had adequate warning or consultation no matter how much of either took place.
I feared this was coming. Good job I don't work for a UK travel industry company.... Oh.
I believe the EU has said that holiday travel will still be ok.
Good job there are no EU countries whose economies are supported by tourism.......
Not if there aren't any planes flying because we have no aviation deal(s).
No Deal Brexit means no deal.
That is absolute bollocks
PLANES WILL NOT BE GROUNDED
Unless various international bodies are wrong and you know better?
Personally my money is not on you.
I agree that planes will probably not be grounded in the event of No Deal - some interim arrangement will be agreed.
But border controls (and confusion about border controls) are likely to cause chaos. It only takes a small disruption to bring large airports to an effectice halt.
Confusion is an interesting one.
IATA is currently struggling with the idea that although people will still be able to fly, people might think they can't.
People get very stressed at airports and, for example, ignore signs and basically forget how to be a functioning human being (or at least some of them do).
So the answer to confusion is difficult to know.
For the majority who don't travel regularly airports (especially large ones) are extremely disorientating and therfore stressful places.
Right - I wasn't criticising, merely observing. Indeed I currently work at an airport, and I have the same tendency to overlook things.
If true this shows how reliant the 2017 Labour vote was for Remainers and if Corbyn does not take any action to try and reverse Brexit or at least stay in the single market the way could be open for a new SDP party
He will. Whatever his preferences he needs the party to do anything he wants, he must give them this.
Though that also risks working class Leavers moving to the Tories or UKIP or the new Farage party
Yes, but he has to pick a side at some point and given his members it will be remain or as remainy as he can get. He will be relying on Tories in chaos to make up for the hit if leavers are departing.
It may that the main parties increasingly divide on Brexit lines, especially once May and Corbyn go who are both more pro EU and more Brexit respectively than their party memberships
Perhaps they could swap. Corbyn is just the sort of leader the ERG are looking for.
They can discuss it as they walk through the division lobby together.
Too late - already booked, although fortunately to S America rather than Europe.
As long as you're a UK citizen, you should be fine. Most flights should be unaffected - it's Border Control that is likely to be a pain point. That being said, if it's non-essential travel, perhaps you shouldn't risk being in the 10%.
On January 8th I'm down to pay £7K for a skiing holiday for my grandchildren and myself in France travelling on 7th April. I've paid a £1K deposit. Should I pay or cancel?
i would cancel and get the deposit back. Until the uncertainty is removed, there are no guarantees and it is a lot of money to risk
Aren't such deposits usually non-refundable? If not, what purpose do they serve?
I feared this was coming. Good job I don't work for a UK travel industry company.... Oh.
I believe the EU has said that holiday travel will still be ok.
Good job there are no EU countries whose economies are supported by tourism.......
Not if there aren't any planes flying because we have no aviation deal(s).
No Deal Brexit means no deal.
That is absolute bollocks
PLANES WILL NOT BE GROUNDED
Unless various international bodies are wrong and you know better?
Personally my money is not on you.
I agree that planes will probably not be grounded in the event of No Deal - some interim arrangement will be agreed.
But border controls (and confusion about border controls) are likely to cause chaos. It only takes a small disruption to bring large airports to an effectice halt.
According to Peter Lilly last night it was already agreed in November. I have absolutely no idea if he is right.
Too late - already booked, although fortunately to S America rather than Europe.
As long as you're a UK citizen, you should be fine. Most flights should be unaffected - it's Border Control that is likely to be a pain point. That being said, if it's non-essential travel, perhaps you shouldn't risk being in the 10%.
On January 8th I'm down to pay £7K for a skiing holiday for my grandchildren and myself in France travelling on 7th April. I've paid a £1K deposit. Should I pay or cancel?
i would cancel and get the deposit back. Until the uncertainty is removed, there are no guarantees and it is a lot of money to risk
I feared this was coming. Good job I don't work for a UK travel industry company.... Oh.
I believe the EU has said that holiday travel will still be ok.
Good job there are no EU countries whose economies are supported by tourism.......
Not if there aren't any planes flying because we have no aviation deal(s).
No Deal Brexit means no deal.
That is absolute bollocks
PLANES WILL NOT BE GROUNDED
Unless various international bodies are wrong and you know better?
Personally my money is not on you.
I agree that planes will probably not be grounded in the event of No Deal - some interim arrangement will be agreed.
But border controls (and confusion about border controls) are likely to cause chaos. It only takes a small disruption to bring large airports to an effectice halt.
Confusion is an interesting one.
IATA is currently struggling with the idea that although people will still be able to fly, people might think they can't.
People get very stressed at airports and, for example, ignore signs and basically forget how to be a functioning human being (or at least some of them do).
So the answer to confusion is difficult to know.
For the majority who don't travel regularly airports (especially large ones) are extremely disorientating and therfore stressful places.
Right - I wasn't criticising, merely observing. Indeed I currently work at an airport, and I have the same tendency to overlook things.
Too late - already booked, although fortunately to S America rather than Europe.
As long as you're a UK citizen, you should be fine. Most flights should be unaffected - it's Border Control that is likely to be a pain point. That being said, if it's non-essential travel, perhaps you shouldn't risk being in the 10%.
On January 8th I'm down to pay £7K for a skiing holiday for my grandchildren and myself in France travelling on 7th April. I've paid a £1K deposit. Should I pay or cancel?
i would cancel and get the deposit back. Until the uncertainty is removed, there are no guarantees and it is a lot of money to risk
But enough about brexit policy.
what is that supposed to mean?
It was a clearly not good enough joke about brexit being so chaotic we should cancel it and metaphorically keep our deposit by staying in.
I feared this was coming. Good job I don't work for a UK travel industry company.... Oh.
I believe the EU has said that holiday travel will still be ok.
Good job there are no EU countries whose economies are supported by tourism.......
Not if there aren't any planes flying because we have no aviation deal(s).
No Deal Brexit means no deal.
That is absolute bollocks
PLANES WILL NOT BE GROUNDED
Unless various international bodies are wrong and you know better?
Personally my money is not on you.
I agree that planes will probably not be grounded in the event of No Deal - some interim arrangement will be agreed.
But border controls (and confusion about border controls) are likely to cause chaos. It only takes a small disruption to bring large airports to an effectice halt.
According to Peter Lilly last night it was already agreed in November. I have absolutely no idea if he is right.
Interesting that Theresa's own Chief of staff has come round to a #peoplesvote and that Lidington is negotiating with Labour over it. May does look increasingly isolated.
Interesting that Theresa's own Chief of staff has come round to a #peoplesvote and that Lidington is negotiating with Labour over it. May does look increasingly isolated
The idea that this is going on without May’s consent seems far fetched.
For this in the need some light relief from Brexit, I am binge watching the first series of Counterpart (with the great J K Simmons). Very good indeed.
I feared this was coming. Good job I don't work for a UK travel industry company.... Oh.
I believe the EU has said that holiday travel will still be ok.
Good job there are no EU countries whose economies are supported by tourism.......
Not if there aren't any planes flying because we have no aviation deal(s).
No Deal Brexit means no deal.
That is absolute bollocks
PLANES WILL NOT BE GROUNDED
Unless various international bodies are wrong and you know better?
Personally my money is not on you.
I agree that planes will probably not be grounded in the event of No Deal - some interim arrangement will be agreed.
But border controls (and confusion about border controls) are likely to cause chaos. It only takes a small disruption to bring large airports to an effectice halt.
According to Peter Lilly last night it was already agreed in November. I have absolutely no idea if he is right.
I know we get the front pages posted on here and on #tomorrowspaperstoday but is there a digest of newspaper editorials anywhere? It woudl be interesting to know what the Times & ST editorials are saying at the moment for example.
Interesting that Theresa's own Chief of staff has come round to a #peoplesvote and that Lidington is negotiating with Labour over it. May does look increasingly isolated
The idea that this is going on without May’s consent seems far fetched.
I dunno. It maybe that we have reached the point where she is in office but not in power.
Too late - already booked, although fortunately to S America rather than Europe.
As long as you're a UK citizen, you should be fine. Most flights should be unaffected - it's Border Control that is likely to be a pain point. That being said, if it's non-essential travel, perhaps you shouldn't risk being in the 10%.
On January 8th I'm down to pay £7K for a skiing holiday for my grandchildren and myself in France travelling on 7th April. I've paid a £1K deposit. Should I pay or cancel?
i would cancel and get the deposit back. Until the uncertainty is removed, there are no guarantees and it is a lot of money to risk
But enough about brexit policy.
what is that supposed to mean?
It was a clearly not good enough joke about brexit being so chaotic we should cancel it and metaphorically keep our deposit by staying in.
It wasn't that bad - I got it on a re-read.
But maybe Beverley is a bit sensitive because she has had some ignorant and unwarranted attacks and recent weeks from some quarters.
Too late - already booked, although fortunately to S America rather than Europe.
As long as you're a UK citizen, you should be fine. Most flights should be unaffected - it's Border Control that is likely to be a pain point. That being said, if it's non-essential travel, perhaps you shouldn't risk being in the 10%.
On January 8th I'm down to pay £7K for a skiing holiday for my grandchildren and myself in France travelling on 7th April. I've paid a £1K deposit. Should I pay or cancel?
i would cancel and get the deposit back. Until the uncertainty is removed, there are no guarantees and it is a lot of money to risk
But enough about brexit policy.
what is that supposed to mean?
It was a clearly not good enough joke about brexit being so chaotic we should cancel it and metaphorically keep our deposit by staying in.
It wasn't that bad - I got it on a re-read.
But maybe Beverley is a bit sensitive because she has had some ignorant and unwarranted attacks and recent weeks from some quarters.
Too late - already booked, although fortunately to S America rather than Europe.
As long as you're a UK citizen, you should be fine. Most flights should be unaffected - it's Border Control that is likely to be a pain point. That being said, if it's non-essential travel, perhaps you shouldn't risk being in the 10%.
On January 8th I'm down to pay £7K for a skiing holiday for my grandchildren and myself in France travelling on 7th April. I've paid a £1K deposit. Should I pay or cancel?
i would cancel and get the deposit back. Until the uncertainty is removed, there are no guarantees and it is a lot of money to risk
But enough about brexit policy.
what is that supposed to mean?
It was a clearly not good enough joke about brexit being so chaotic we should cancel it and metaphorically keep our deposit by staying in.
It wasn't that bad - I got it on a re-read.
But maybe Beverley is a bit sensitive because she has had some ignorant and unwarranted attacks and recent weeks from some quarters.
Interesting that Theresa's own Chief of staff has come round to a #peoplesvote and that Lidington is negotiating with Labour over it. May does look increasingly isolated
The idea that this is going on without May’s consent seems far fetched.
You retain faith in her ability to control events . Last week she was winning MV by 150. If she does ,it will be by her opponents incompetence rather than any strategy .
If true this shows how reliant the 2017 Labour vote was for Remainers and if Corbyn does not take any action to try and reverse Brexit or at least stay in the single market the way could be open for a new SDP party
He will. Whatever his preferences he needs the party to do anything he wants, he must give them this.
Though that also risks working class Leavers moving to the Tories or UKIP or the new Farage party
Yes, but he has to pick a side at some point and given his members it will be remain or as remainy as he can get. He will be relying on Tories in chaos to make up for the hit if leavers are departing.
It may that the main parties increasingly divide on Brexit lines, especially once May and Corbyn go who are both more pro EU and more Brexit respectively than their party memberships
Perhaps they could swap. Corbyn is just the sort of leader the ERG are looking for.
Well both oppose May's Deal and a second EU referendum
Interesting that Theresa's own Chief of staff has come round to a #peoplesvote and that Lidington is negotiating with Labour over it. May does look increasingly isolated
The idea that this is going on without May’s consent seems far fetched.
You retain faith in her ability to control events . Last week she was winning MV by 150. If she does ,it will be by her opponents incompetence rather than any strategy .
My suggestion that she would win the MV by 150 was predicated on the idea she would back a second referendum before the vote. That could still be what happens.
Interesting that Theresa's own Chief of staff has come round to a #peoplesvote and that Lidington is negotiating with Labour over it. May does look increasingly isolated
The idea that this is going on without May’s consent seems far fetched.
You retain faith in her ability to control events . Last week she was winning MV by 150. If she does ,it will be by her opponents incompetence rather than any strategy .
My suggestion that she would win the MV by 150 was predicated on the idea she would back a second referendum before the vote. That could still be what happens.
Which may yet come to pass .But, it will be by accident rather than design .
I feared this was coming. Good job I don't work for a UK travel industry company.... Oh.
I believe the EU has said that holiday travel will still be ok.
Good job there are no EU countries whose economies are supported by tourism.......
Not if there aren't any planes flying because we have no aviation deal(s).
No Deal Brexit means no deal.
That is absolute bollocks
PLANES WILL NOT BE GROUNDED
Unless various international bodies are wrong and you know better?
Personally my money is not on you.
I agree that planes will probably not be grounded in the event of No Deal - some interim arrangement will be agreed.
But border controls (and confusion about border controls) are likely to cause chaos. It only takes a small disruption to bring large airports to an effectice halt.
According to Peter Lilly last night it was already agreed in November. I have absolutely no idea if he is right.
Incidentally - I keep on being told over the last week or so that this site is not secure - what has changed?
I guess you're using chrome? Google added a thing to produce that message for any site that doesn't default to an encrypted connection (HTTPS). Doesn't really matter with pb, but for anything private it does.
Coming back to the thread, Labour should be concerned that despite the worst Tory infighting in living memory, they have not pulled ahead in any meaningful polling I note that Jeremy C approaches 70 in Spring 2019....the idea that a Gen Election (if it happened in 2019) would sweep him to power convincingly doesnt ring true. The Tories may be in a dreadful state, but that does not automatically translate into a Labour victory, Labour need to raise their game and very fast
Coming back to the thread, Labour should be concerned that despite the worst Tory infighting in living memory, they have not pulled ahead in any meaningful polling I note that Jeremy C approaches 70 in Spring 2019....the idea that a Gen Election (if it happened in 2019) would sweep him to power convincingly doesnt ring true. The Tories may be in a dreadful state, but that does not automatically translate into a Labour victory, Labour need to raise their game and very fast
Labour should retake the true lead if/when May announces a second referendum.
On Brexit day isn't Mike scheduled to be flying over Icelandic volcanoes via UK ATC whilst standing in a tin bath in a thunderstorm screaming "ALL LIGHTNING GODS ARE B******S!"
Same story as elsewhere: Biden way out ahead, Bernie second but way, way behind his 2016 score, Beto in the running but not close, absolutely no validation for the betting markets' theory that Kamala Harris, who ticks lots of boxes but is one of the dullest politicians in the world, could be in the race.
Same story as elsewhere: Biden way out ahead, Bernie second but way, way behind his 2016 score, Beto in the running but not close, absolutely no validation for the betting markets' theory that Kamala Harris, who ticks lots of boxes but is one of the dullest politicians in the world, could be in the race.
KLOBUCHAR not yet winning.
Experience will beat Trump? Rather than some new, fresh voice?
On Biden, do the markets know something I don't? I know there's name recognition in the polling and he has some #MeToo issues but he may well run, he's polling miles out in front of everyone else, he's easily the most experienced candidate, would do great against Trump, he's exactly the kind of guy the Dems would pick if they want to win which they do. 10/1 seems like a steal, no???
Same story as elsewhere: Biden way out ahead, Bernie second but way, way behind his 2016 score, Beto in the running but not close, absolutely no validation for the betting markets' theory that Kamala Harris, who ticks lots of boxes but is one of the dullest politicians in the world, could be in the race.
KLOBUCHAR not yet winning.
Experience will beat Trump? Rather than some new, fresh voice?
I am sceptical...
Much as I would like Biden to run.
I don't know about Biden. There are too many examples on YouTube of him getting creepy and handsy with women. If it wasn't for Trump breaking all the rules I'd think Biden would be automatically rejected.
I was going to send you an invoice, but I've just realised that I'd need to send it in an envelope with a religiously themed stamp, so I guess I'll starve instead.
Same story as elsewhere: Biden way out ahead, Bernie second but way, way behind his 2016 score, Beto in the running but not close, absolutely no validation for the betting markets' theory that Kamala Harris, who ticks lots of boxes but is one of the dullest politicians in the world, could be in the race.
KLOBUCHAR not yet winning.
Experience will beat Trump? Rather than some new, fresh voice?
I am sceptical...
Much as I would like Biden to run.
I think so. Trump has and has always had extremely shitty favourability, has a somewhat but not entirely deflated base, and may well have broken the economy. However he has a clear history of success with audacious attack memes. The obvious way to run against him is:
* Run someone who has good favourability, ie not Hillary * Run someone who is good at communicating with the swing voters in states you narrowly lost * Run someone who is already known to the voters and will be harder for him to define * Avoid taking other unnecessary risks, ie don't hope you get lucky with one of the least experienced candidates in history (Beto) or an experiment in seeing whether Americans will go with a self-defined Socialist (Bernie)
Too late - already booked, although fortunately to S America rather than Europe.
As long as you're a UK citizen, you should be fine. Most flights should be unaffected - it's Border Control that is likely to be a pain point. That being said, if it's non-essential travel, perhaps you shouldn't risk being in the 10%.
On January 8th I'm down to pay £7K for a skiing holiday for my grandchildren and myself in France travelling on 7th April. I've paid a £1K deposit. Should I pay or cancel?
Assuming you are ABTA protected you should be ok shouldn't you? Failing that, what about your travel insurance?
I've heard it argued that Brexit won't be covered because it will come under disruption caused by government action, so Force Majeure.
I work for an insurance company and my desk is close to the underwriters. From what I've heard from casual overhearing (which may not reflect actual policy!), Brexit damage won't be covered unless you have specifically covered for it, because it's a scheduled event with a great deal of notice. If you are in a car crash you are covered, but if a car is heading towards you for two years then you aren't covered. Peeps have been informed of Brexit day for over two years.
If there's one thing I've learned about bad outcomes it's that no one accepts they had adequate warning or consultation no matter how much of either took place.
Too late - already booked, although fortunately to S America rather than Europe.
As long as you're a UK citizen, you should be fine. Most flights should be unaffected - it's Border Control that is likely to be a pain point. That being said, if it's non-essential travel, perhaps you shouldn't risk being in the 10%.
On January 8th I'm down to pay £7K for a skiing holiday for my grandchildren and myself in France travelling on 7th April. I've paid a £1K deposit. Should I pay or cancel?
Pay
Life’s too short to worry about shit you can’t control
On Biden, do the markets know something I don't? I know there's name recognition in the polling and he has some #MeToo issues but he may well run, he's polling miles out in front of everyone else, he's easily the most experienced candidate, would do great against Trump, he's exactly the kind of guy the Dems would pick if they want to win which they do. 10/1 seems like a steal, no???
Any idea why Pocahontas has drifted to 38 on Betfair for the presidency ? Hills allowed me £5 at 20-1 for Biden (POTUS). The implied odds for Democrats should probably be odds on, particularly for Biden.
Odd situation in Sweden. 82.5% didn't vote for the populist Sweden Democrats at the recent election, yet the MPs representing that large majority don't seem to be able to get their act together to form a government. The upshot might be another election at which the populists could increase their support.
I was going to send you an invoice, but I've just realised that I'd need to send it in an envelope with a religiously themed stamp, so I guess I'll starve instead.
Too late - already booked, although fortunately to S America rather than Europe.
As long as you're a UK citizen, you should be fine. Most flights should be unaffected - it's Border Control that is likely to be a pain point. That being said, if it's non-essential travel, perhaps you shouldn't risk being in the 10%.
On January 8th I'm down to pay £7K for a skiing holiday for my grandchildren and myself in France travelling on 7th April. I've paid a £1K deposit. Should I pay or cancel?
Assuming you are ABTA protected you should be ok shouldn't you? Failing that, what about your travel insurance?
I've heard it argued that Brexit won't be covered because it will come under disruption caused by government action, so Force Majeure.
I work for an insurance company and my desk is close to the underwriters. From what I've heard from casual overhearing (which may not reflect actual policy!), Brexit damage won't be covered unless you have specifically covered for it, because it's a scheduled event with a great deal of notice. If you are in a car crash you are covered, but if a car is heading towards you for two years then you aren't covered. Peeps have been informed of Brexit day for over two years.
If there's one thing I've learned about bad outcomes it's that no one accepts they had adequate warning or consultation no matter how much of either took place.
Comments
On the one hand there's this:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/uk-confirms-no-deal-brexit-would-limit-caa-certifica-452144/
But fear not "there is 'no way' that flights between the UK and mainland Europe will be grounded after Brexit" according to (oh dear) Chris Grayling...
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/uk-dismisses-threat-of-grounded-flights-after-brexit-453077/
https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1074068565857366016?s=19
Very good indeed.
But maybe Beverley is a bit sensitive because she has had some ignorant and unwarranted attacks and recent weeks from some quarters.
This was debunked ages ago.
Has OMG, Mike, been told?
I mean...what could possibly go wrong?
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2018/12/16/iowa-poll-caucuses-2020-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-beto-orourke-elizabeth-warren-register-cnn-democrat/2312541002/
Same story as elsewhere: Biden way out ahead, Bernie second but way, way behind his 2016 score, Beto in the running but not close, absolutely no validation for the betting markets' theory that Kamala Harris, who ticks lots of boxes but is one of the dullest politicians in the world, could be in the race.
KLOBUCHAR not yet winning.
I am sceptical...
Much as I would like Biden to run.
Single To Win
No @2/9
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I mean FFS you can only get 14/1 on KLOBUCHAR
* Run someone who has good favourability, ie not Hillary
* Run someone who is good at communicating with the swing voters in states you narrowly lost
* Run someone who is already known to the voters and will be harder for him to define
* Avoid taking other unnecessary risks, ie don't hope you get lucky with one of the least experienced candidates in history (Beto) or an experiment in seeing whether Americans will go with a self-defined Socialist (Bernie)
Life’s too short to worry about shit you can’t control
https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-20/easyjet-ceo-johan-lundgren-confident-flights-will-continue-in-a-no-deal-brexit/
https://www.ft.com/content/2f8cd3ce-ff80-11e8-ac00-57a2a826423e
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/10/28/the-persistence-of-lack-of-memory-how-the-state-retirement-age-was-changed-and-communicated/