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Ladbrokes have put up what I think are the first constituency markets for the next general election, I’ve always looked fondly at these markets, especially after the 2015 general election where there was a lot of profit in backing the Tories in the English marginals, and the SNP everywhere in Scotland.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 71,833
    edited December 2018
    E pluribus unum.

    I gave you all a ten minute heads up about the new thread.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 12,971
    Second like Leave
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,343

    E pluribus unum.

    I gave you all a ten minute heads up about the new thread.

    I always check that there's no new thread before making a post and time after time the new thread goes up after I look & before my comment goes in on the old one. I really don't know how you manage such timing!

    Good afternoon, everybody.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 12,971
    Ladbrokes given up on the boundary changes..

    Chingford - will go Labour
    Richmond - will go LibDem
    Hastings - will stay Tory
    Derby - Tory
  • RobDRobD Posts: 35,302

    E pluribus unum.

    I gave you all a ten minute heads up about the new thread.

    I thought we agreed you'd notify me beforehand? :o
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 3,731
    IanB2 said:

    Ladbrokes given up on the boundary changes..

    Chingford - will go Labour
    Richmond - will go LibDem
    Hastings - will stay Tory
    Derby - Tory

    I've just got a boosted 7/10 on Richmond Park going LibDem. Excellent value for the reasons TSE gives. But I might have to wait until 2022 until I collect.

    I hear on the grapevine that Zac intends to stand again which must be excellent news for the LibDems.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 31,788
    edited December 2018
    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html
  • Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 12,971

    Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

    until they consider their woeful record in office.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 671
    AnneJGP said:

    I always check that there's no new thread before making a post and time after time the new thread goes up after I look & before my comment goes in on the old one. I really don't know how you manage such timing!

    And I replied to it too.

    That's 3 minutes I will never get back.
  • IanB2 said:

    Second like Leave

    You rewriting history again Ian?
  • IanB2 said:

    Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

    until they consider their woeful record in office.
    Possibly but May gone will be gone and with it her abysmal record, a quick read of the economically illiterate drivel in the Labour Manifesto will also help hersuccessor.
  • IanB2 said:

    Ladbrokes given up on the boundary changes..

    Chingford - will go Labour
    Richmond - will go LibDem
    Hastings - will stay Tory
    Derby - Tory


    So are Ladbrokes assuming that the boundary changes will not take place?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 12,971

    IanB2 said:

    Ladbrokes given up on the boundary changes..

    Chingford - will go Labour
    Richmond - will go LibDem
    Hastings - will stay Tory
    Derby - Tory


    So are Ladbrokes assuming that the boundary changes will not take place?
    Yes. Or, more correctly, giving the punters the chance to make that assumption, with their money back if they are wrong (assuming the seat boundaries actually change)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 12,971
    edited December 2018

    IanB2 said:

    Second like Leave

    You rewriting history again Ian?
    I thought this was a prediction site? Hence "betting" ;)
  • FPT
    Dura_Ace said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:



    Well to be fair in the pecking order of Western military and diplomatic power while the US leads we are just behind, helped by Commonwealth ties, though France under Macron is catching up fast

    "just behind"

    US Navy escorts:230
    RN escorts: 17

    Geography means we aren't that well integrated with the preeminent commonwealth military (Australia) so we rarely exercise with them.
    I would have thought the pre-eminent Commonwealth military is India?
    The Indian military is enormous, very professional (more so than the British in certain areas) and is rapidly modernising but their entire force posture is geared toward a war with Pakistan hence they don't do power projection.
    India has one STOBAR aircraft carrier in service, and has another currently fitting out, to replace Viraat (the ex-HMS Hermes of Falklands fame) which has just decomissioned. Australia has two helicopter carriers, but no fixed wing carrier aircraft at the moment.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 13,238

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    Daft idea. Almost as bad as academies.
  • Yes, I think Duncan Smith's brand of ultra-eurosceptic nastiness has lost Chingford and Woodford Green for the Tories, probably for ever. I can imagine them being stuffed in Uxbridge and South Ruislip too, simply because, these days, Boris is just a massive pain in the arse.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 15,256

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    Daft idea. Almost as bad as academies.
    Academies are a very good idea.

    Academy chains, on the other hand, are the worst idea since Abraham Lincoln said 'oh, I'm sick of kicking around the house tonight, let's go take in a show.'
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 13,238

    Yes, I think Duncan Smith's brand of ultra-eurosceptic nastiness has lost Chingford and Woodford Green for the Tories, probably for ever. I can imagine them being stuffed in Uxbridge and South Ruislip too, simply because, these days, Boris is just a massive pain in the arse.

    Popcorn time when the GE comes if that's the case. Even better than Portillo. Or (for me) when Bob Spink lost Castle Point the first time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 71,833
    edited December 2018

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    God I hate those Man/Women of the People types who are in fact elitist snobs.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 15,256

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    God I hate those Man/Women of the People types who are in fact elitist snobs.
    It's a really good job that there's nobody like that round here.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 2,163

    IanB2 said:

    Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

    until they consider their woeful record in office.
    Possibly but May gone will be gone and with it her abysmal record, a quick read of the economically illiterate drivel in the Labour Manifesto will also help hersuccessor.
    May would have been gone ages ago if there'd been a half-adequate successor in the wings. The reason she's still there is the absence of anyone better.
  • Yes, I think Duncan Smith's brand of ultra-eurosceptic nastiness has lost Chingford and Woodford Green for the Tories, probably for ever. I can imagine them being stuffed in Uxbridge and South Ruislip too, simply because, these days, Boris is just a massive pain in the arse.

    I would imagine that tactical voting will be massively increased in quite a few hard Brexiteer MPs seats. I think IDS, Johnson and Rees-Mogg could all be ousted if the electorate in the relevant seats are courted in the right way by the strongest candidate in second place.

    It is not just Europe though for some Brexiteer politicians but their involvement in implementing fundamentally flawed policies i.e. IDS and Universal Credit, which is being dogmatically rolled out and defended despite its inherent injustice.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 48,984

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    God I hate those Man/Women of the People types who are in fact elitist snobs.
    Like a left wing Toby Young
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,343
    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I always check that there's no new thread before making a post and time after time the new thread goes up after I look & before my comment goes in on the old one. I really don't know how you manage such timing!

    And I replied to it too.

    That's 3 minutes I will never get back.
    I did read your reply - thank you - but didn't want to acknowledge it there in case you'd left the thread and wouldn't see the acknowledgement!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 6,220

    Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

    Whether May leads in the next GE very much depends on the time and events that lead to its arrival.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,343
    I reckon a GE which would elect a new set of MPs would be a tremendously good idea, like discharging a jury which couldn't reach a verdict. But all we'd end up with would be mostly the same faces we have at the moment, allowing for a few seat changes.
  • VinnyVinny Posts: 41
    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.
  • Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

  • Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

    The Tories got the most votes in over 20 years in 2017! People focus on the parliamentary arithmetic but May for all her obvious flaws led the Tories to their biggest increase in the vote for decades, she got an increase over Cameron's benchmark figures. 2017 could well be the best performance the Tories have for quite some time! Governments usually tend to repel voters due to the unpopular decisions they are usually forced to make.

    I don't think changing the leader will automatically result in higher support for the Tories. Basically the Tories will have squandered their time in office with the focus on Europe and the likely detrimental impact of a No Deal Brexit.
  • I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    God I hate those Man/Women of the People types who are in fact elitist snobs.
    Almost as bad as elitist snobs wot wear red shoes :lol:
  • Mr. Divvie, not sure taking the word of ex-spouses is wise. Hard to find a group less collectively prone to subjective dislike.

    Worth noting Hannibal remained faithful to his wife (Imilcea, I think...) even when overseas for decades, unlike Caesar who divorced his for political expediency.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 1,887
    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I really don't think it's fair, or good for us as a country', to describe areas which voted 54:46 (or really anything up to 60:40) for something as 'solid' or other similar adjectives. While 54:46 isn't a tossup, if you got a representative sample of 10 people in a room in Hastings you'd have a coin toss between having a 6:4 split or 5:5. Most of the country isn't 'Brexitland' or 'Remainia', it's almost evenly split on this and many other issues.
  • Mr. Quincel, indeed. I was wryly amused when the BBC had a segment in Leeds and described it as voting Remain. Technically true, but I think the percentage was 50.2% Remain. It was about as divided as could be.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 2,814
    Quincel said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I really don't think it's fair, or good for us as a country', to describe areas which voted 54:46 (or really anything up to 60:40) for something as 'solid' or other similar adjectives. While 54:46 isn't a tossup, if you got a representative sample of 10 people in a room in Hastings you'd have a coin toss between having a 6:4 split or 5:5. Most of the country isn't 'Brexitland' or 'Remainia', it's almost evenly split on this and many other issues.
    Yep

    Amber Rudd may also be 'well liked in Hastings' - in fact my guess is that that's a more prevalent view than 'loathed' given she's their MP.

  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 1,887

    Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

    The Tories got the most votes in over 20 years in 2017! People focus on the parliamentary arithmetic but May for all her obvious flaws led the Tories to their biggest increase in the vote for decades, she got an increase over Cameron's benchmark figures. 2017 could well be the best performance the Tories have for quite some time! Governments usually tend to repel voters due to the unpopular decisions they are usually forced to make.

    I don't think changing the leader will automatically result in higher support for the Tories. Basically the Tories will have squandered their time in office with the focus on Europe and the likely detrimental impact of a No Deal Brexit.
    2017 was the biggest 2-party vote share for God knows how long. A record number of voters felt they had no other options, that isn't a vote of confidence in her. You win big in FPTP by being by far the largest party by votes, and she wasn't.

    A better measure of electoral performance is swing.
  • I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    In fairness it's going to be a bonkers school where children run the place, work is optional, discipline is frowned upon, and 'creative thinking' is valued rather than, you know, learning stuff. Didn't the left try one of these before? Summerhill? And to a lesser extent Pierrepont.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 5,936
    Vinny said:

    ... I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that I cannot wait to dump her.

    There you go - fixed it for you :D
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 5,936
    edited December 2018

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    God I hate those Man/Women of the People types who are in fact elitist snobs.
    Almost as bad as elitist snobs wot wear red shoes :lol:
    Louboutins? Very classy ...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 6,220
    Quincel said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I really don't think it's fair, or good for us as a country', to describe areas which voted 54:46 (or really anything up to 60:40) for something as 'solid' or other similar adjectives. While 54:46 isn't a tossup, if you got a representative sample of 10 people in a room in Hastings you'd have a coin toss between having a 6:4 split or 5:5. Most of the country isn't 'Brexitland' or 'Remainia', it's almost evenly split on this and many other issues.
    While that is certainly true, the Tory vote in the constituency is likely to be strongly Leave. I suspect it unlikely that Amber would convert many Lab/Green/LD voters there to the party of Brexit.
  • Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 671
    AnneJGP said:

    I did read your reply - thank you - but didn't want to acknowledge it there in case you'd left the thread and wouldn't see the acknowledgement!

    :-)

    Well it was about Brexit so we can leave it.

    Sense a serious loss of appetite for that around the table.

    Purely temporary, no doubt.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 20,383

    Mr. Divvie, not sure taking the word of ex-spouses is wise. Hard to find a group less collectively prone to subjective dislike.

    Worth noting Hannibal remained faithful to his wife (Imilcea, I think...) even when overseas for decades, unlike Caesar who divorced his for political expediency.

    You just know she is being nice to him rather than telling the full truth
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 28,378
    edited December 2018
    Quincel said:

    Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

    The Tories got the most votes in over 20 years in 2017! People focus on the parliamentary arithmetic but May for all her obvious flaws led the Tories to their biggest increase in the vote for decades, she got an increase over Cameron's benchmark figures. 2017 could well be the best performance the Tories have for quite some time! Governments usually tend to repel voters due to the unpopular decisions they are usually forced to make.

    I don't think changing the leader will automatically result in higher support for the Tories. Basically the Tories will have squandered their time in office with the focus on Europe and the likely detrimental impact of a No Deal Brexit.
    2017 was the biggest 2-party vote share for God knows how long. A record number of voters felt they had no other options, that isn't a vote of confidence in her. You win big in FPTP by being by far the largest party by votes, and she wasn't.

    A better measure of electoral performance is swing.
    Corbyn won only four more seats than Gordon did in 2010. His tally of 262 was fifty-five behind the Tories.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 2,814

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Surely that can barely compare with the legendary commitments of his ex-wife's alleged friends!? Paragons to a man/woman as we've all heard said precisely no times.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,343
    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I did read your reply - thank you - but didn't want to acknowledge it there in case you'd left the thread and wouldn't see the acknowledgement!

    :-)

    Well it was about Brexit so we can leave it.

    Sense a serious loss of appetite for that around the table.

    Purely temporary, no doubt.
    :smiley:
  • TomsToms Posts: 1,652
    edited December 2018

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    God I hate those Man/Women of the People types who are in fact elitist snobs.
    Almost as bad as elitist snobs wot wear red shoes :lol:
    Louboutins? Very classy ...
    For elegant and expensive instance:

    https://tinyurl.com/y9stvhrk

    Edit; Fila trainers do for me.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 20,383

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
  • notme2notme2 Posts: 232

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    In fairness it's going to be a bonkers school where children run the place, work is optional, discipline is frowned upon, and 'creative thinking' is valued rather than, you know, learning stuff. Didn't the left try one of these before? Summerhill? And to a lesser extent Pierrepont.
    This kind of thing can work when you have very motivated staff and very motivated supportive parents. It wont work in a bog standard situation.
  • malcolmg said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
    I think Sir John Redwood is a massive bell end and a hypocrite.

    Perhaps you can refer me to all your posts criticising the SNP?
  • notme2notme2 Posts: 232
    Omnium said:

    Quincel said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I really don't think it's fair, or good for us as a country', to describe areas which voted 54:46 (or really anything up to 60:40) for something as 'solid' or other similar adjectives. While 54:46 isn't a tossup, if you got a representative sample of 10 people in a room in Hastings you'd have a coin toss between having a 6:4 split or 5:5. Most of the country isn't 'Brexitland' or 'Remainia', it's almost evenly split on this and many other issues.
    Yep

    Amber Rudd may also be 'well liked in Hastings' - in fact my guess is that that's a more prevalent view than 'loathed' given she's their MP.

    That's one of those things isnt it "nobody goes out there any more, its always full and the queue takes ages".
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 24,147
    Quincel said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I really don't think it's fair, or good for us as a country', to describe areas which voted 54:46 (or really anything up to 60:40) for something as 'solid' or other similar adjectives. While 54:46 isn't a tossup, if you got a representative sample of 10 people in a room in Hastings you'd have a coin toss between having a 6:4 split or 5:5. Most of the country isn't 'Brexitland' or 'Remainia', it's almost evenly split on this and many other issues.
    It's also a mistake to assume that the strength of feeling is reflected in the balance of opinion. In a constituency that voted 60:40 Leave, the Remainers could be more resolute and determined, and the Leavers more apathetic, than in a place that voted 60:40 Remain.
  • IanB2 said:

    Ladbrokes given up on the boundary changes..

    Chingford - will go Labour
    Richmond - will go LibDem
    Hastings - will stay Tory
    Derby - Tory


    So are Ladbrokes assuming that the boundary changes will not take place?
    Or alternative aren't the punters giving Ladbrokes a risk-free, interest-free loan of their money if the boundary changes do take place?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 20,383

    malcolmg said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
    I think Sir John Redwood is a massive bell end and a hypocrite.

    Perhaps you can refer me to all your posts criticising the SNP?
    I am not a member of the SNP , neither do I promote them other than for their support of independence. If you look back a week or so you will see me criticising their tax policies.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 5,936
    Toms said:

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    God I hate those Man/Women of the People types who are in fact elitist snobs.
    Almost as bad as elitist snobs wot wear red shoes :lol:
    Louboutins? Very classy ...
    For elegant and expensive instance:

    https://tinyurl.com/y9stvhrk
    Try wearing them. Strictly bar-to-car...
    Toms said:

    Edit; Fila trainers do for me.

    Your shoes are made from pastry???? Wow :open_mouth:

    Oh! Fila, not filo...
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 1,852
    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
  • Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 5,936
    edited December 2018
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
    I think Sir John Redwood is a massive bell end and a hypocrite.

    Perhaps you can refer me to all your posts criticising the SNP?
    I am not a member of the SNP , neither do I promote them other than for their support of independence. If you look back a week or so you will see me criticising their tax policies.
    :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

    I thought you WERE the SNP and that you merely posted under a nom de plume Mr Salmond!

    I'm shocked

    You mean your name really is Malcolm and not Alex???
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 3,234
    Foxy said:

    Quincel said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I really don't think it's fair, or good for us as a country', to describe areas which voted 54:46 (or really anything up to 60:40) for something as 'solid' or other similar adjectives. While 54:46 isn't a tossup, if you got a representative sample of 10 people in a room in Hastings you'd have a coin toss between having a 6:4 split or 5:5. Most of the country isn't 'Brexitland' or 'Remainia', it's almost evenly split on this and many other issues.
    While that is certainly true, the Tory vote in the constituency is likely to be strongly Leave. I suspect it unlikely that Amber would convert many Lab/Green/LD voters there to the party of Brexit.
    And, for betting purposes, important to remember there was a pro -Corbyn Independent at the GE, who polled more votes than her majority. Ironically, costing Labour the seat.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 24,147
    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

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  • CharlesCharles Posts: 21,378

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    If you don’t have anything nice to say...
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 1,887
    Foxy said:



    While that is certainly true, the Tory vote in the constituency is likely to be strongly Leave. I suspect it unlikely that Amber would convert many Lab/Green/LD voters there to the party of Brexit.

    You may be right, I haven't particularly considered that. My point really was just how we talk about Leave:Remain areas, I haven't thought much about Rudd's chances.



    Corbyn won only four more seats than Gordon did in 2010. His tally of 262 was fifty-five behind the Tories.

    Agreed. I think the 2017 election was paradoxically the biggest win for the 2-party system overall for decades but also a bad election for both parties individually. It only felt better for Labour because of how low expectations were.



    It's also a mistake to assume that the strength of feeling is reflected in the balance of opinion. In a constituency that voted 60:40 Leave, the Remainers could be more resolute and determined, and the Leavers more apathetic, than in a place that voted 60:40 Remain.

    Fair point, and in different places this could cut both ways (as you allude to).

  • TomsToms Posts: 1,652

    Toms said:

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    God I hate those Man/Women of the People types who are in fact elitist snobs.
    Almost as bad as elitist snobs wot wear red shoes :lol:
    Louboutins? Very classy ...
    For elegant and expensive instance:

    https://tinyurl.com/y9stvhrk
    Try wearing them. Strictly bar-to-car...
    Toms said:

    Edit; Fila trainers do for me.

    Your shoes are made from pastry???? Wow :open_mouth:

    Oh! Fila, not filo...
    Big smile.
    And I only buy Fila when they're being cleared, 20 - 30 quid say.
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
    I think Sir John Redwood is a massive bell end and a hypocrite.

    Perhaps you can refer me to all your posts criticising the SNP?
    I am not a member of the SNP , neither do I promote them other than for their support of independence. If you look back a week or so you will see me criticising their tax policies.
    You and your facts ruining my arguments.

    I'll go sit quietly in the corner now.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 12,913
    edited December 2018
    Charles said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    If you don’t have anything nice to say...
    ...say nothing.

    & this place would close down the day after.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 6,220
    Quincel said:

    Foxy said:



    While that is certainly true, the Tory vote in the constituency is likely to be strongly Leave. I suspect it unlikely that Amber would convert many Lab/Green/LD voters there to the party of Brexit.

    You may be right, I haven't particularly considered that. My point really was just how we talk about Leave:Remain areas, I haven't thought much about Rudd's chances.



    Corbyn won only four more seats than Gordon did in 2010. His tally of 262 was fifty-five behind the Tories.

    Agreed. I think the 2017 election was paradoxically the biggest win for the 2-party system overall for decades but also a bad election for both parties individually. It only felt better for Labour because of how low expectations were.



    It's also a mistake to assume that the strength of feeling is reflected in the balance of opinion. In a constituency that voted 60:40 Leave, the Remainers could be more resolute and determined, and the Leavers more apathetic, than in a place that voted 60:40 Remain.

    Fair point, and in different places this could cut both ways (as you allude to).

    Yes, even in strong Leave areas there was typically 30%+ share for Remain, and vice versa in most Remain areas. Age, Education and social class need to be considered along with geography. Indeed when age corrected much of the geograpy changes. Old Leavers often retire to the coast.
  • Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 20,383

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
    I think Sir John Redwood is a massive bell end and a hypocrite.

    Perhaps you can refer me to all your posts criticising the SNP?
    I am not a member of the SNP , neither do I promote them other than for their support of independence. If you look back a week or so you will see me criticising their tax policies.
    :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

    I thought you WERE the SNP and that you merely posted under a nom de plume Mr Salmond!

    I'm shocked

    You mean your name really is Malcolm and not Alex???
    Very Droll Bev :smiley:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 31,788
    edited December 2018

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 20,383
    edited December 2018

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
    I think Sir John Redwood is a massive bell end and a hypocrite.

    Perhaps you can refer me to all your posts criticising the SNP?
    I am not a member of the SNP , neither do I promote them other than for their support of independence. If you look back a week or so you will see me criticising their tax policies.
    You and your facts ruining my arguments.

    I'll go sit quietly in the corner now.
    You don't need to wear the hat :wink:
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 10,267
    Is Brexit a Christmas movie?
  • Jonathan said:

    Is Brexit a Christmas movie?

    If only we talked about it once a year...
  • Afternoon all. I hope you all had a suitably merry Christmas.

    Clearly Shadsy did. 6/4 on Labour in Hastings & Rye? Whilst I shall be helping Amber's campaign, I don't think she should be favourite.
  • Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 31,788
    edited December 2018

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    twitter.com/YouGov/status/937731219743264768
    I trust the data, not the people...we can't have the plebs deciding things!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 11,525
    edited December 2018
    When Broxtowe comes up the odds will be interesting. It's not easy to rate. Soubry certainly has superb name recognition now and lots of Labour people are quite nice about her now (feeling that she gives the Tories more trouble than I ever did). The Labour candidate is also well-known locally and has a less Marmite-like personality: he ran her close last time. She will certainly lose some Tory Leaver votes; the question is whether Labour people who like her on Brexit will actually vote for her. It possibly depends on how she actually votes on the issue - if she follows Ken in voting for May's deal after all I think she'll lose most of the sympathy without appeasing many of the Leavers.

    But, as with Amber Rudd, who knows how much Brexit views will seem to matter when the election comes round?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 12,971
    Jonathan said:

    Is Brexit a Christmas movie?

    Jan 7th isn't really Christmas
  • notme2 said:

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    In fairness it's going to be a bonkers school where children run the place, work is optional, discipline is frowned upon, and 'creative thinking' is valued rather than, you know, learning stuff. Didn't the left try one of these before? Summerhill? And to a lesser extent Pierrepont.
    This kind of thing can work when you have very motivated staff and very motivated supportive parents. It wont work in a bog standard situation.
    Yeah you can Montessori a group of rich kids in small classes fine.

    Challenged areas badly need something more like Michaela.
  • Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

    The Tories got the most votes in over 20 years in 2017! People focus on the parliamentary arithmetic but May for all her obvious flaws led the Tories to their biggest increase in the vote for decades, she got an increase over Cameron's benchmark figures. 2017 could well be the best performance the Tories have for quite some time! Governments usually tend to repel voters due to the unpopular decisions they are usually forced to make.

    I don't think changing the leader will automatically result in higher support for the Tories. Basically the Tories will have squandered their time in office with the focus on Europe and the likely detrimental impact of a No Deal Brexit.
    Biggest vote counts for nothing when you blow a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election you call andyou lose sufficient seats to lose your majority. She only saved her job thanks to the Scots and May did nothing to revitalise their fortunes.

    Changing her out won’t automatically result in higher support, I agree. The Tories could elect and even greater muppet like Rudd or Hunt as leader, but assuming they don’t push that self destruct button, they have a much greater chance.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 671
    Not looking forward to the next GE as regards my seat, Hampstead & Kilburn. It used to be a razor edge 3 way marginal. Meaning that on election day, and in the run-up, there was a real sense of occasion. Knowing how much my vote would count (approx 100 times an ordinary one in an ordinary place) I would spend hours poring over manifestos, weighing up the various key policies, going to all the hustings, before voting Labour.

    All that came to an end in 2017. Tulip Sadiq won it by such a margin that it is now a safe seat for the Reds. Nobody will be bothering me next time and I won’t be bothering them. Will still vote of course, people have died so I can, but it will not be the same.
  • Foxy said:

    Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

    Whether May leads in the next GE very much depends on the time and events that lead to its arrival.

    Technically that’s true but she has actually said she won’t. It was the price she had to pay to keep her job and avert a leadership crisis. You wouldnt want to imply she was a liar, I trust.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 21,378

    Charles said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    If you don’t have anything nice to say...
    ...say nothing.

    & this place would close down the day after.
    To be clear I was referring to her comment not yours.

    They separated over 15 years ago. A shame she hasn’t moved on with her life

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1454388/Redwood-comes-out-fighting-against-ex-wife.html
  • Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/empire-30-best-christmas-movies/

    Arguably the greatest action movie ever made, and now the greatest Christmas movie ever made, too. Bruce Willis’ John McClane may seem like an unlikely Santa Claus – he doesn’t have enough hair for one – but what better Christmas present is there than the gift of terrorists getting taken down as they try to take Nakatomi Plaza hostage during a Christmas party in order to carry out an elaborate theft? Not for Empire readers the cutesy Christmas trees of other Christmas movies, or the sight of people in ill-advised knitwear drinking eggnog. For you guys, nothing says deck the halls like jumping off a roof tied to a fire hose, and nothing says season of goodwill like a machine gun. Ho ho ho.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 21,378

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    If you look at the age split, we just need to wait for the no voters to die off. It’s inevitable TSE!
  • A blunt interview from Jean-Claude Juncker:



    He’s obviously worried about Brexit and how equipped Romania is to deal with its role as president.
  • Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.
    As the film has a Christmas setting, the score also features sleigh bells in some cues, as well as the Christmas pop standard "Winter Wonderland". Two 1987 pop songs are used as source music: near the film's beginning, limousine driver Argyle plays the rap song "Christmas in Hollis", performed by Run–D.M.C., and later, while talking on the phone in the limousine, Argyle is listening to Stevie Wonder's "Skeletons". The end credits of the film begin with the Christmas song "Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow!" (performed by Vaughn Monroe)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Hard
  • mattmatt Posts: 2,300

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    That has the air of a bitter divorce. Truth generally disappears.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 24,202

    I thought she was a Corbynista? They will be rescinding her maomentum membership card when they hear this.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539825/Charlotte-Church-open-school-September.html

    In fairness it's going to be a bonkers school where children run the place, work is optional, discipline is frowned upon, and 'creative thinking' is valued rather than, you know, learning stuff. Didn't the left try one of these before? Summerhill? And to a lesser extent Pierrepont.
    I think King Alfred's in Hampstead (http://www.kingalfred.org.uk) is still very much like that.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 21,378
    matt said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    That has the air of a bitter divorce. Truth generally disappears.
    You think? It was 15 years ago!’
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 12,971
    And "any other party except Con, Lab, LD, Green or UKIP to win MOST seats" only 25/1 ????
  • Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    If you don’t have anything nice to say...
    ...say nothing.

    & this place would close down the day after.
    To be clear I was referring to her comment not yours.

    They separated over 15 years ago. A shame she hasn’t moved on with her life

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1454388/Redwood-comes-out-fighting-against-ex-wife.html
    Presumably Redwood's charitable act(s) as witnessed by TSE was in the last 15 years. Perhaps divorce has made him a reformed character (though he still sounds the same tetchy, humourless ***** in recent interviews I've heard).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 15,256

    A blunt interview from Jean-Claude Juncker:



    He’s obviously worried about Brexit and how equipped Romania is to deal with its role as president.

    *puts head in hands*

    Thanks JCJ. You clearly felt you hadn't done enough damage with your hare-brained drunken posturing during the referendum so you feel the need to epically fuck up again by openly telling the swing voters they're stupid, anti-democratic and incompetent not to do what you're telling them.

    He really was a very good and indeed if the EU were a federal superstate alone unanswerable reason for voting Leave. He's now trying to maximise the chaos. Whether it's because he's drunk, a fool or just tin eared I don't know.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 12,971
    kinabalu said:

    Not looking forward to the next GE as regards my seat, Hampstead & Kilburn. It used to be a razor edge 3 way marginal. Meaning that on election day, and in the run-up, there was a real sense of occasion. Knowing how much my vote would count (approx 100 times an ordinary one in an ordinary place) I would spend hours poring over manifestos, weighing up the various key policies, going to all the hustings, before voting Labour.

    All that came to an end in 2017. Tulip Sadiq won it by such a margin that it is now a safe seat for the Reds. Nobody will be bothering me next time and I won’t be bothering them. Will still vote of course, people have died so I can, but it will not be the same.

    About time your favoured party got thinking about a better system, then?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 16,469
    edited December 2018

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    Well the experts disagree with you.

    Voted the Number 1 Christmas Movie by Empire Magazine readers.
    Described as unquestionably a Christmas Movie by Mark Kermode (with a long explanation about how it is set at Christmas, has a Christmas party as its main setting, includes a Christmas story of redemption and has the lead female character called Holly).
    Included as one of the great Christmas movies by the Sky Arts movie team.

    Face it, as with your attitude to the French, denying Solo as great Star wars film and pineapple on pizza, this is just another example of how wrong you can be.

    Oh and release date is meaningless.

    Holiday Inn (with the original White Christmas song) was released in August 1942
    Miracle on 34th Street was released in May 1947.
  • Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    Well the experts disagree with you.

    Voted the Number 1 Christmas Movie by Empire Magazine readers.
    Described as unquestionably a Christmas Movie by Mark Kermode (with a long explanation about how it is set at Christmas, has a Christmas party as its main setting, includes a Christmas story of redemption and has the lead female character called Holly).
    Included as one of the great Christmas movies by the Sky Arts movie team.

    Face it, as with your attitude to the French, denying Solo as great Star wars film and pineapple on pizza, this is just another example of how wrong you can be.
    The Empire poll is a voodoo poll, the YouGov poll is a properly weighted poll.

    Mark Kermode, we're in the age of sick and tired of experts.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,343
    ydoethur said:

    A blunt interview from Jean-Claude Juncker:



    He’s obviously worried about Brexit and how equipped Romania is to deal with its role as president.

    *puts head in hands*

    Thanks JCJ. You clearly felt you hadn't done enough damage with your hare-brained drunken posturing during the referendum so you feel the need to epically fuck up again by openly telling the swing voters they're stupid, anti-democratic and incompetent not to do what you're telling them.

    He really was a very good and indeed if the EU were a federal superstate alone unanswerable reason for voting Leave. He's now trying to maximise the chaos. Whether it's because he's drunk, a fool or just tin eared I don't know.
    You don't sound altogether in sympathy with the gentleman.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 15,256
    AnneJGP said:

    ydoethur said:

    A blunt interview from Jean-Claude Juncker:



    He’s obviously worried about Brexit and how equipped Romania is to deal with its role as president.

    *puts head in hands*

    Thanks JCJ. You clearly felt you hadn't done enough damage with your hare-brained drunken posturing during the referendum so you feel the need to epically fuck up again by openly telling the swing voters they're stupid, anti-democratic and incompetent not to do what you're telling them.

    He really was a very good and indeed if the EU were a federal superstate alone unanswerable reason for voting Leave. He's now trying to maximise the chaos. Whether it's because he's drunk, a fool or just tin eared I don't know.
    You don't sound altogether in sympathy with the gentleman.
    I can only admire your perspicacity Anne. :smile:
  • Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    Well the experts disagree with you.

    Voted the Number 1 Christmas Movie by Empire Magazine readers.
    Described as unquestionably a Christmas Movie by Mark Kermode (with a long explanation about how it is set at Christmas, has a Christmas party as its main setting, includes a Christmas story of redemption and has the lead female character called Holly).
    Included as one of the great Christmas movies by the Sky Arts movie team.

    Face it, as with your attitude to the French, denying Solo as great Star wars film and pineapple on pizza, this is just another example of how wrong you can be.
    The Empire poll is a voodoo poll, the YouGov poll is a properly weighted poll.

    Mark Kermode, we're in the age of sick and tired of experts.
    You are the one who mentioned experts. I just showed that they disagree with you. Thankfully both the TV networks and the experts know you are wrong and you are going to be stuck forever more with Die Hard being shown as a Christmas Movie.
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