'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
French author Yann Moix says women over 50 'too old' to love
A French writer is being criticised after saying he would be "incapable" of loving a woman aged 50 or above... despite being 50 himself.
Yann Moix told Marie Claire magazine he found women of that age "too old".
"I prefer younger women's bodies, that's all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all," he said.
The comments have sparked an angry backlash on social media.
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessary
Was there anything systematic behind the one it didn't predict?
It was mainly due to places like Slough, Luton, Birmingham, Barking&Dagenham where I expected working-class EM voters to be more in favour of Remain whereas evidently a high proportion of them voted Leave.
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
French author Yann Moix says women over 50 'too old' to love
A French writer is being criticised after saying he would be "incapable" of loving a woman aged 50 or above... despite being 50 himself.
Yann Moix told Marie Claire magazine he found women of that age "too old".
"I prefer younger women's bodies, that's all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all," he said.
The comments have sparked an angry backlash on social media.
You'd never find a British author over 50 hitching up with a woman in her early 20s...
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
French author Yann Moix says women over 50 'too old' to love
A French writer is being criticised after saying he would be "incapable" of loving a woman aged 50 or above... despite being 50 himself.
Yann Moix told Marie Claire magazine he found women of that age "too old".
"I prefer younger women's bodies, that's all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all," he said.
The comments have sparked an angry backlash on social media.
He's obviously slept with the wrong sort of 50 year old woman.
Anyway, what makes him think that a 25 year old would find the body of a 50 year old man attractive?
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
French author Yann Moix says women over 50 'too old' to love
A French writer is being criticised after saying he would be "incapable" of loving a woman aged 50 or above... despite being 50 himself.
Yann Moix told Marie Claire magazine he found women of that age "too old".
"I prefer younger women's bodies, that's all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all," he said.
The comments have sparked an angry backlash on social media.
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessary
Stop messing with my plans for taking over the UK...
Sorry !!!!!
And just past 20,000 posts . Amazing
You clearly have too much time on your hands. Anyone would think you are retired ....
I'm finding the style of this programme difficult to watch.
It's very Lindsey Andersen, he of "If" and "Oh Lucky Man"....
Oh Christ: that bad?
Wasn't Lindsey Anderson an ideological right-winger?
I was criticising his style. There were a lot of state-of-the-nation British films in the 60s and 70s, whether kitchen-sink or experimental. His ones were lauded by the critics, but I found them self important and bathetic.
'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
It was well written, and got the gist of the campaign.
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
French author Yann Moix says women over 50 'too old' to love
A French writer is being criticised after saying he would be "incapable" of loving a woman aged 50 or above... despite being 50 himself.
Yann Moix told Marie Claire magazine he found women of that age "too old".
"I prefer younger women's bodies, that's all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all," he said.
The comments have sparked an angry backlash on social media.
He's obviously slept with the wrong sort of 50 year old woman.
Anyway, what makes him think that a 25 year old would find the body of a 50 year old man attractive?
It tends to be the wallet of 50 year old men 25 year old women find attractive rather than their body, not that I can think of any PBers who might possibly be able to comment
Will it cover the whole 30 seconds Jeremy Corbyn spent campaigning for Remain? And the 29 seconds Theresa May did?
Actually Theresa May made one speech for Remain that was informed and intelligent. She presumably disowns it now.
Was that the one where she said she'd like to be able to ignore the European Court of Justice?
I had forgotten about that.(Although I think you mean the European Court of Human Rights) A partially informed and intelligent speech, unlike any since Brexit.
'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
It was well written, and got the gist of the campaign.
Unleash King Mob...
I think the kitchen conference call between Cameron, Mandelson and Craig Oliver got in one the reasons Remain lost, Cummings connected with people the establishment had ignored for too long as shown when he went to Canvey to a street Carswell barely knew existed to sign up an unemployed couple for Brexit who had not been contacted by a political party for years
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
Things moving in the wrong direction still for the deal, it's remarkable some still think it will pass. The Brexiteers have really helped make the case for their counterparts in remain.
Interestingly Boris seemed to be one of the few politicians Cummings had much time for, if No Deal maybe cometh the hour cometh the man, with Cummings in No 10 as an adviser
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
French author Yann Moix says women over 50 'too old' to love
A French writer is being criticised after saying he would be "incapable" of loving a woman aged 50 or above... despite being 50 himself.
Yann Moix told Marie Claire magazine he found women of that age "too old".
"I prefer younger women's bodies, that's all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all," he said.
The comments have sparked an angry backlash on social media.
He's obviously slept with the wrong sort of 50 year old woman.
Anyway, what makes him think that a 25 year old would find the body of a 50 year old man attractive?
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
I am not so certain. You would think having a terrorist sympathiser and antisemite enabler as leader would do that, but had the opposite effect. We live in strange times.
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
I dont recall the driving bit and we can walk to our polling station if necessary
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
She can't buy it. I'd bet she would offer to just pass what they want and they'd say no, those mps do not want to take a stance on brexit.
'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
It was well written, and got the gist of the campaign.
Unleash King Mob...
I think the kitchen conference call between Cameron, Mandelson and Craig Oliver got in one the reasons Remain lost, Cummings connected with people the establishment had ignored for too long as shown when he went to Canvey to a street Carswell barely knew existed to sign up an unemployed couple for Brexit who had not been contacted by a political party for years
Yes, but in what way will their lives be better after Brexit? That much was obvious even in the scene.
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Leave won?!
You could at least have put up a spoiler alert!
Titanic did not win multiple Oscars as people did not know how it ended, it is how you tell the story that matters
Films must have been really shit that year if that won multiple oscars.
I enjoyed it, it was a real cinema experience when first seen on the big screen, however on the TV after multiple viewings it loses some of its impact
You must like bad direction, bad acting, and bad scriptwriting, Hyufd. The music was good though. And there was one very good scene when the lifeboats looked back on a tranquil sea as the boat began to sink. That was effectively done, and historically accurate.
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
French author Yann Moix says women over 50 'too old' to love
A French writer is being criticised after saying he would be "incapable" of loving a woman aged 50 or above... despite being 50 himself.
Yann Moix told Marie Claire magazine he found women of that age "too old".
"I prefer younger women's bodies, that's all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all," he said.
The comments have sparked an angry backlash on social media.
He's obviously slept with the wrong sort of 50 year old woman.
Anyway, what makes him think that a 25 year old would find the body of a 50 year old man attractive?
What makes you think he thinks they would?
Well... he is a man. They all seem to think they are Apollo or have the body of Hercules....
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Leave won?!
You could at least have put up a spoiler alert!
Titanic did not win multiple Oscars as people did not know how it ended, it is how you tell the story that matters
Films must have been really shit that year if that won multiple oscars.
For some time the Oscar winners have been decided by overt marketing campaigns and covert threats and pressure from unscrupulous people. The awards are littered with egregious choices that don't otherwise make sense.
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
French author Yann Moix says women over 50 'too old' to love
A French writer is being criticised after saying he would be "incapable" of loving a woman aged 50 or above... despite being 50 himself.
Yann Moix told Marie Claire magazine he found women of that age "too old".
"I prefer younger women's bodies, that's all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all," he said.
The comments have sparked an angry backlash on social media.
He's obviously slept with the wrong sort of 50 year old woman.
Anyway, what makes him think that a 25 year old would find the body of a 50 year old man attractive?
What makes you think he thinks they would?
Well... he is a man. They all seem to think they are Apollo or have the body of Hercules....
A lot of older men confuse their wealth with good looks. Twas ever thus, I think.
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
This is the big unforeseen risk on the left. How many of the pro remain labour voters from 2017 will stay at home when they realise kind Grandpa Corbyn isn’t just very unkind about Jews but he doesn’t secretly want us to stay in the EU. If Corbynism goes out of fashion then Labour are screwed now that they have taken over the party mechanisms
'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
It was well written, and got the gist of the campaign.
Unleash King Mob...
I think the kitchen conference call between Cameron, Mandelson and Craig Oliver got in one the reasons Remain lost, Cummings connected with people the establishment had ignored for too long as shown when he went to Canvey to a street Carswell barely knew existed to sign up an unemployed couple for Brexit who had not been contacted by a political party for years
Yes, but in what way will their lives be better after Brexit? That much was obvious even in the scene.
As was made clear they voted Leave as their lives were pretty shit anyway, uncontrolled globalisation and multinational corporations and an out of touch elite meant they felt they had nothing to lose by voting Leave and so they did
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Leave won?!
You could at least have put up a spoiler alert!
Titanic did not win multiple Oscars as people did not know how it ended, it is how you tell the story that matters
Films must have been really shit that year if that won multiple oscars.
For some time the Oscar winners have been decided by overt marketing campaigns and covert threats and pressure from unscrupulous people. The awards are littered with egregious choices that don't otherwise make sense.
I think the voting age should be lowered to 60. Above that, it is obvious that brexitism becomes a serious issue and all sound judgement is lost
I am 75 and voted remain and my wife is nearly 80 and voted remain.
You are not going to disinfranchise us are you
It will not be a problem. If you recall some months back, it was decided here on PB that you should not be driving. I recall your vigorous rearguard action defending car usage in rural Wales, but with Leavers confiscating your transport, my disenfranchisement of you will not be an issue since you cannot get to the polling station. Postal ballots are out since your local Maomentum Chapter will be faking your vote to keep JC in power.
French author Yann Moix says women over 50 'too old' to love
A French writer is being criticised after saying he would be "incapable" of loving a woman aged 50 or above... despite being 50 himself.
Yann Moix told Marie Claire magazine he found women of that age "too old".
"I prefer younger women's bodies, that's all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all," he said.
The comments have sparked an angry backlash on social media.
He's obviously slept with the wrong sort of 50 year old woman.
Anyway, what makes him think that a 25 year old would find the body of a 50 year old man attractive?
What makes you think he thinks they would?
Well... he is a man. They all seem to think they are Apollo or have the body of Hercules....
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Leave won?!
You could at least have put up a spoiler alert!
Titanic did not win multiple Oscars as people did not know how it ended, it is how you tell the story that matters
Films must have been really shit that year if that won multiple oscars.
For some time the Oscar winners have been decided by overt marketing campaigns and covert threats and pressure from unscrupulous people. The awards are littered with egregious choices that don't otherwise make sense.
I saw The Favourite last week. Pretty good, but not convinced an Oscar winner. I need to catch up on some of the other contenders.
Interestingly Boris seemed to be one of the few politicians Cummings had much time for, if No Deal maybe cometh the hour cometh the man, with Cummings in No 10 as an adviser
How could he be so blind or deaf to the shorcomings of such a vile human being - as evidenced by his connections to the criminal fraternity exemplified by Darius Guppy?
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
This is the big unforeseen risk on the left. How many of the pro remain labour voters from 2017 will stay at home when they realise kind Grandpa Corbyn isn’t just very unkind about Jews but he doesn’t secretly want us to stay in the EU. If Corbynism goes out of fashion then Labour are screwed now that they have taken over the party mechanisms
It's not just Labour voters, but the Labour membership that is strongly pro-remain.
'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
It was well written, and got the gist of the campaign.
Unleash King Mob...
I think the kitchen conference call between Cameron, Mandelson and Craig Oliver got in one the reasons Remain lost, Cummings connected with people the establishment had ignored for too long as shown when he went to Canvey to a street Carswell barely knew existed to sign up an unemployed couple for Brexit who had not been contacted by a political party for years
Yes, but in what way will their lives be better after Brexit? That much was obvious even in the scene.
As was made clear they voted Leave as their lives were pretty shit anyway, uncontrolled globalisation and multinational corporations and an out of touch elite meant they felt they had nothing to lose by voting Leave and so they did
Still no answer to how their lives will be better.
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Leave won?!
You could at least have put up a spoiler alert!
Titanic did not win multiple Oscars as people did not know how it ended, it is how you tell the story that matters
Films must have been really shit that year if that won multiple oscars.
I enjoyed it, it was a real cinema experience when first seen on the big screen, however on the TV after multiple viewings it loses some of its impact
You must like bad direction, bad acting, and bad scriptwriting, Hyufd. The music was good though. And there was one very good scene when the lifeboats looked back on a tranquil sea as the boat began to sink. That was effectively done, and historically accurate.
I like good films, there are barely any blockbusters recently that can match up to Titanic, we just have endless repeats of franchises and superhero movies, so we have to look to movies like 3 Billboards outside Ebbing to bring some new interesting narrative. I did though like Mary Poppins Returns
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Leave won?!
You could at least have put up a spoiler alert!
Titanic did not win multiple Oscars as people did not know how it ended, it is how you tell the story that matters
Films must have been really shit that year if that won multiple oscars.
I enjoyed it, it was a real cinema experience when first seen on the big screen, however on the TV after multiple viewings it loses some of its impact
You must like bad direction, bad acting, and bad scriptwriting, Hyufd. The music was good though. And there was one very good scene when the lifeboats looked back on a tranquil sea as the boat began to sink. That was effectively done, and historically accurate.
I like good films, there are barely any blockbusters recently that can match up to Titanic, we just have endless repeats of franchises and superhero movies, so we have to look to movies like 3 Billboards outside Ebbing to bring some new interesting narrative. I did though like Mary Poppins Returns
'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
It was well written, and got the gist of the campaign.
Unleash King Mob...
I think the kitchen conference call between Cameron, Mandelson and Craig Oliver got in one the reasons Remain lost, Cummings connected with people the establishment had ignored for too long as shown when he went to Canvey to a street Carswell barely knew existed to sign up an unemployed couple for Brexit who had not been contacted by a political party for years
Yes, but in what way will their lives be better after Brexit? That much was obvious even in the scene.
As was made clear they voted Leave as their lives were pretty shit anyway, uncontrolled globalisation and multinational corporations and an out of touch elite meant they felt they had nothing to lose by voting Leave and so they did
Still no answer to how their lives will be better.
They won't, but you can't keep voting for a system that persistently craps on you.
'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
It was well written, and got the gist of the campaign.
Unleash King Mob...
I think the kitchen conference call between Cameron, Mandelson and Craig Oliver got in one the reasons Remain lost, Cummings connected with people the establishment had ignored for too long as shown when he went to Canvey to a street Carswell barely knew existed to sign up an unemployed couple for Brexit who had not been contacted by a political party for years
Yes, but in what way will their lives be better after Brexit? That much was obvious even in the scene.
As was made clear they voted Leave as their lives were pretty shit anyway, uncontrolled globalisation and multinational corporations and an out of touch elite meant they felt they had nothing to lose by voting Leave and so they did
Still no answer to how their lives will be better.
Well they wanted to reduce immigration and be able to at least elect MPs to are able to make more of our own laws, the votes for Brexit and for Corbyn were both votes against the Corporate and multi national elite
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
This is the big unforeseen risk on the left. How many of the pro remain labour voters from 2017 will stay at home when they realise kind Grandpa Corbyn isn’t just very unkind about Jews but he doesn’t secretly want us to stay in the EU. If Corbynism goes out of fashion then Labour are screwed now that they have taken over the party mechanisms
It's not just Labour voters, but the Labour membership that is strongly pro-remain.
Which is Why he will change position. He probably would prefer we leave but he cannot help it happen other than through inaction. Not and keep the members happy. He's been in post long enough to have learned.
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
This is the big unforeseen risk on the left. How many of the pro remain labour voters from 2017 will stay at home when they realise kind Grandpa Corbyn isn’t just very unkind about Jews but he doesn’t secretly want us to stay in the EU. If Corbynism goes out of fashion then Labour are screwed now that they have taken over the party mechanisms
It's not just Labour voters, but the Labour membership that is strongly pro-remain.
Which is Why he will change position. He probably would prefer we leave but he cannot help it happen other than through inaction. Not and keep the members happy. He's been in post long enough to have learned.
Interestingly Boris seemed to be one of the few politicians Cummings had much time for, if No Deal maybe cometh the hour cometh the man, with Cummings in No 10 as an adviser
How could he be so blind or deaf to the shorcomings of such a vile human being - as evidenced by his connections to the criminal fraternity exemplified by Darius Guppy?
Boris connects with people as he showed in the London Mayoral election and the EU referendum, he is not running for Pope, you did not even have a good word to say about Paddy Ashdown
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
This is the big unforeseen risk on the left. How many of the pro remain labour voters from 2017 will stay at home when they realise kind Grandpa Corbyn isn’t just very unkind about Jews but he doesn’t secretly want us to stay in the EU. If Corbynism goes out of fashion then Labour are screwed now that they have taken over the party mechanisms
It's not just Labour voters, but the Labour membership that is strongly pro-remain.
Which is Why he will change position. He probably would prefer we leave but he cannot help it happen other than through inaction. Not and keep the members happy. He's been in post long enough to have learned.
There a good line in the Channel4 film when Mandeleson points out he voted against the EU in 1975 and hasn't changed his mind about anything since.
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
This is the big unforeseen risk on the left. How many of the pro remain labour voters from 2017 will stay at home when they realise kind Grandpa Corbyn isn’t just very unkind about Jews but he doesn’t secretly want us to stay in the EU. If Corbynism goes out of fashion then Labour are screwed now that they have taken over the party mechanisms
It's not just Labour voters, but the Labour membership that is strongly pro-remain.
Which is Why he will change position. He probably would prefer we leave but he cannot help it happen other than through inaction. Not and keep the members happy. He's been in post long enough to have learned.
There a good line in the Channel4 film when Mandeleson points out he voted against the EU in 1975 and hasn't changed his mind about anything since.
He doesn't need to change his mind, just his position.
Not even that really, just say he cannot do x so must y, where Y is what the members want any way.
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
This is the big unforeseen risk on the left. How many of the pro remain labour voters from 2017 will stay at home when they realise kind Grandpa Corbyn isn’t just very unkind about Jews but he doesn’t secretly want us to stay in the EU. If Corbynism goes out of fashion then Labour are screwed now that they have taken over the party mechanisms
It's not just Labour voters, but the Labour membership that is strongly pro-remain.
Which is Why he will change position. He probably would prefer we leave but he cannot help it happen other than through inaction. Not and keep the members happy. He's been in post long enough to have learned.
Corbyn doesn’t seem to be the kind to change his mind
'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
It was well written, and got the gist of the campaign.
Unleash King Mob...
I think the kitchen conference call between Cameron, Mandelson and Craig Oliver got in one the reasons Remain lost, Cummings connected with people the establishment had ignored for too long as shown when he went to Canvey to a street Carswell barely knew existed to sign up an unemployed couple for Brexit who had not been contacted by a political party for years
Yes, but in what way will their lives be better after Brexit? That much was obvious even in the scene.
As was made clear they voted Leave as their lives were pretty shit anyway, uncontrolled globalisation and multinational corporations and an out of touch elite meant they felt they had nothing to lose by voting Leave and so they did
Still no answer to how their lives will be better.
They won't, but you can't keep voting for a system that persistently craps on you.
I understand that, but I also understand that these angry folk with shit prospects are not going to be happy with what they get. Tories shouldnt count on their votes continuing.
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
This is the big unforeseen risk on the left. How many of the pro remain labour voters from 2017 will stay at home when they realise kind Grandpa Corbyn isn’t just very unkind about Jews but he doesn’t secretly want us to stay in the EU. If Corbynism goes out of fashion then Labour are screwed now that they have taken over the party mechanisms
It's not just Labour voters, but the Labour membership that is strongly pro-remain.
Which is Why he will change position. He probably would prefer we leave but he cannot help it happen other than through inaction. Not and keep the members happy. He's been in post long enough to have learned.
Corbyn doesn’t seem to be the kind to change his mind
He won't. May probably hasn't changed her mind about remain being better than leaving, it doesn't prevent her also thinking she has to see us leave now.
On the contrary, if we're still members on 23rd May we have to elect our 73 MEPs. In fact it has been suggested that our MEPs would remain in office even after the extension to Article 50 expired and the UK had left.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Yes, I think you are right on reflection.
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
If Labour facilitates Brexit in any way shape or form, it is finished as an electoral force.
This is the big unforeseen risk on the left. How many of the pro remain labour voters from 2017 will stay at home when they realise kind Grandpa Corbyn isn’t just very unkind about Jews but he doesn’t secretly want us to stay in the EU. If Corbynism goes out of fashion then Labour are screwed now that they have taken over the party mechanisms
It's not just Labour voters, but the Labour membership that is strongly pro-remain.
Which is Why he will change position. He probably would prefer we leave but he cannot help it happen other than through inaction. Not and keep the members happy. He's been in post long enough to have learned.
There a good line in the Channel4 film when Mandeleson points out he voted against the EU in 1975 and hasn't changed his mind about anything since.
He doesn't need to change his mind, just his position.
Not even that really, just say he cannot do x so must y, where Y is what the members want any way.
Yes, that's probably the best he can do, which is why he won't become a great Leader, or even PM.
'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
It was well written, and got the gist of the campaign.
Unleash King Mob...
I think the kitchen conference call between Cameron, Mandelson and Craig Oliver got in one the reasons Remain lost, Cummings connected with people the establishment had ignored for too long as shown when he went to Canvey to a street Carswell barely knew existed to sign up an unemployed couple for Brexit who had not been contacted by a political party for years
Yes, but in what way will their lives be better after Brexit? That much was obvious even in the scene.
As was made clear they voted Leave as their lives were pretty shit anyway, uncontrolled globalisation and multinational corporations and an out of touch elite meant they felt they had nothing to lose by voting Leave and so they did
Still no answer to how their lives will be better.
They won't, but you can't keep voting for a system that persistently craps on you.
I understand that, but I also understand that these angry folk with shit prospects are not going to be happy with what they get. Tories shouldnt count on their votes continuing.
Those people in Clacton don't vote. They gave up voting long ago. They ought logically to be Labour voters, but they gave up believing in Labour long ago when Labour stopped believing in them.
Interestingly Boris seemed to be one of the few politicians Cummings had much time for, if No Deal maybe cometh the hour cometh the man, with Cummings in No 10 as an adviser
How could he be so blind or deaf to the shorcomings of such a vile human being - as evidenced by his connections to the criminal fraternity exemplified by Darius Guppy?
Boris connects with people as he showed in the London Mayoral election and the EU referendum, he is not running for Pope, you did not even have a good word to say about Paddy Ashdown
I made no critical comments re- Paddy Ashdown beyond saying I had not been a fan. Boris Johnson's connections to Darius Guppy ,however, can be reasonably questioned in the same way that Boothby was a friend of the Kray twins.
'Brexit - The Uncivil War' was very good I thought. Above all it captured how Dominic Cummings was able to target undecided and usual non voters by hammering home his 'take back control' and 'cost of the EU' message while letting Banks and Farage drive the immigration card for those voters most concerned about that (beyond the Turkey posters) thus creating the Coalition that got Leave to 52%
It was well written, and got the gist of the campaign.
Unleash King Mob...
I think the kitchen conference call between Cameron, Mandelson and Craig Oliver got in one the reasons Remain lost, Cummings connected with people the establishment had ignored for too long as shown when he went to Canvey to a street Carswell barely knew existed to sign up an unemployed couple for Brexit who had not been contacted by a political party for years
Yes, but in what way will their lives be better after Brexit? That much was obvious even in the scene.
As was made clear they voted Leave as their lives were pretty shit anyway, uncontrolled globalisation and multinational corporations and an out of touch elite meant they felt they had nothing to lose by voting Leave and so they did
Still no answer to how their lives will be better.
They won't, but you can't keep voting for a system that persistently craps on you.
I understand that, but I also understand that these angry folk with shit prospects are not going to be happy with what they get. Tories shouldnt count on their votes continuing.
Plenty of unemployed and working class Leavers voted Leave in 2016, then for Corbyn in 2017, it was an anti establishment double whammy. Few are Tories
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Leave won?!
You could at least have put up a spoiler alert!
Titanic did not win multiple Oscars as people did not know how it ended, it is how you tell the story that matters
Films must have been really shit that year if that won multiple oscars.
For some time the Oscar winners have been decided by overt marketing campaigns and covert threats and pressure from unscrupulous people. The awards are littered with egregious choices that don't otherwise make sense.
I saw The Favourite last week. Pretty good, but not convinced an Oscar winner. I need to catch up on some of the other contenders.
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Leave won?!
You could at least have put up a spoiler alert!
Titanic did not win multiple Oscars as people did not know how it ended, it is how you tell the story that matters
Films must have been really shit that year if that won multiple oscars.
I enjoyed it, it was a real cinema experience when first seen on the big screen, however on the TV after multiple viewings it loses some of its impact
You must like bad direction, bad acting, and bad scriptwriting, Hyufd. The music was good though. And there was one very good scene when the lifeboats looked back on a tranquil sea as the boat began to sink. That was effectively done, and historically accurate.
I like good films, there are barely any blockbusters recently that can match up to Titanic, we just have endless repeats of franchises and superhero movies, so we have to look to movies like 3 Billboards outside Ebbing to bring some new interesting narrative. I did though like Mary Poppins Returns
Dunkirk?
Yes that was alright, though I went with a friend who fell asleep. Darkest Hour was also good if a bit of a Churchill hagiography
Interestingly Boris seemed to be one of the few politicians Cummings had much time for, if No Deal maybe cometh the hour cometh the man, with Cummings in No 10 as an adviser
How could he be so blind or deaf to the shorcomings of such a vile human being - as evidenced by his connections to the criminal fraternity exemplified by Darius Guppy?
Boris connects with people as he showed in the London Mayoral election and the EU referendum, he is not running for Pope, you did not even have a good word to say about Paddy Ashdown
I made no critical comments re- Paddy Ashdown beyond saying I had not been a fan. Boris Johnson's connections to Darius Guppy ,however, can be reasonably questioned in the same way that Boothby was a friend of the Kray twins.
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Damn. Any chance of a precis?
No spoilers beyond the below, you need to watch the whole thing
I'm going to have to chew my own food on this . Ok I assume there's some sort of Channel 4 catch-up thingy. I'll make notes.
Cumberbatch was brilliant, watch it for his acting alone if you want to ignore the politics
I caught the last 15 mins on Channel 4 plus 1. Not bad, although they do seem to have forgotten that it pissed down in London on referendum day. Was Cummings's testimony to the Commons word-for-word or edited-for-dramatic-effect?
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Damn. Any chance of a precis?
No spoilers beyond the below, you need to watch the whole thing
I'm going to have to chew my own food on this . Ok I assume there's some sort of Channel 4 catch-up thingy. I'll make notes.
Cumberbatch was brilliant, watch it for his acting alone if you want to ignore the politics
I caught the last 15 mins on Channel 4 plus 1. Not bad, although they do seem to have forgotten that it pissed down in London on referendum day. Was Cummings's testimony to the Commons word-for-word or edited-for-dramatic-effect?
It was made up completely, Cummings has never testified after the vote. One of the criticisms of the program.
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Damn. Any chance of a precis?
No spoilers beyond the below, you need to watch the whole thing
I'm going to have to chew my own food on this . Ok I assume there's some sort of Channel 4 catch-up thingy. I'll make notes.
Cumberbatch was brilliant, watch it for his acting alone if you want to ignore the politics
I caught the last 15 mins on Channel 4 plus 1. Not bad, although they do seem to have forgotten that it pissed down in London on referendum day. Was Cummings's testimony to the Commons word-for-word or edited-for-dramatic-effect?
It was made up completely, Cummings has never testified after the vote. One of the criticisms of the program.
He did appear before the Treasury Select Committee but before the vote
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Damn. Any chance of a precis?
No spoilers beyond the below, you need to watch the whole thing
I'm going to have to chew my own food on this . Ok I assume there's some sort of Channel 4 catch-up thingy. I'll make notes.
Cumberbatch was brilliant, watch it for his acting alone if you want to ignore the politics
I caught the last 15 mins on Channel 4 plus 1. Not bad, although they do seem to have forgotten that it pissed down in London on referendum day. Was Cummings's testimony to the Commons word-for-word or edited-for-dramatic-effect?
It was made up completely, Cummings has never testified after the vote. One of the criticisms of the program.
He did appear before the Treasury Select Committee but before the vote
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Damn. Any chance of a precis?
No spoilers beyond the below, you need to watch the whole thing
I'm going to have to chew my own food on this . Ok I assume there's some sort of Channel 4 catch-up thingy. I'll make notes.
Cumberbatch was brilliant, watch it for his acting alone if you want to ignore the politics
I caught the last 15 mins on Channel 4 plus 1. Not bad, although they do seem to have forgotten that it pissed down in London on referendum day. Was Cummings's testimony to the Commons word-for-word or edited-for-dramatic-effect?
It was made up completely, Cummings has never testified after the vote. One of the criticisms of the program.
He did appear before the Treasury Select Committee but before the vote
If you want to know how Leave won you need to watch this programme
Damn. Any chance of a precis?
No spoilers beyond the below, you need to watch the whole thing
I'm going to have to chew my own food on this . Ok I assume there's some sort of Channel 4 catch-up thingy. I'll make notes.
Cumberbatch was brilliant, watch it for his acting alone if you want to ignore the politics
I caught the last 15 mins on Channel 4 plus 1. Not bad, although they do seem to have forgotten that it pissed down in London on referendum day. Was Cummings's testimony to the Commons word-for-word or edited-for-dramatic-effect?
It was made up completely, Cummings has never testified after the vote. One of the criticisms of the program.
Sad to hear it. We remember dramas, but they inevitably have to twist the facts for dramatic effect. We forget documentaries, but they're often more accurate.
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French author Yann Moix says women over 50 'too old' to love
A French writer is being criticised after saying he would be "incapable" of loving a woman aged 50 or above... despite being 50 himself.
Yann Moix told Marie Claire magazine he found women of that age "too old".
"I prefer younger women's bodies, that's all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all," he said.
The comments have sparked an angry backlash on social media.
A fine old mess, in other words!
Night all!
Anyway, what makes him think that a 25 year old would find the body of a 50 year old man attractive?
You don't have to buy into every single word to accept the central thesis that Leave won because of a superior campaign.
That is probably the root cause of his angst
Unleash King Mob...
TMay is going to have to buy Labour abstention somehow and get her deal through.
Expect a May GE.
You could at least have put up a spoiler alert!
But very predictive of our dystophic post Brexit future:
https://youtu.be/GJ1LG08ssaM
But A50 needs extension or withdrawal first. She cannot be relied upon to keep her word, or be able to deliver her party to back one.
For me lost highway was the best from that year.
Titanic and Saving Private Ryan and Jurassic Park were great 1990s films but had to be seen in the cinema to have full effect
My great-grandfather warned everyone that the Titanic would sink. He screamed that the ship would sink, but nobody would listen.
He was a brave man. He did not give up. He warned them again and again... until he was kicked out of the cinema
Not.
Not even that really, just say he cannot do x so must y, where Y is what the members want any way.
:-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjShkGCa4c
https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/