But nothing stops him writing letters, speaking to ministers and negotiating with developers. The vast bulk of MP authority is that soft power and influence.
There is, practically. The Speaker should not intervene in party political matters, and that's what that would invariably entail.
If Grieve manages, through procedural alchemy, to transmute the base metal of the deal into the gold of remain they will probably upgrade his Légion d'honneur to the Grand Croix.
He'd deserve an EU Commissionership at the least.
Grieve has been the great hero undermining Putin's Brexit.
Speaking with remain friends over the last few days they sense blood and are starting to become a bit "triumphalist" If we do remain this will be the danger for UK society as a whole. The liberal left should be careful what they are wishing for.
There's that undercurrent or threat of "violence". We heard it from HYUFD, now from another Conservative activist.
I read it as sheer unadulterated fear (not you, Sean).
IF the Government revokes A50, who will the LEAVE side blame? Labour, "the liberal left", no, it will be the Conservatives pure and simple. The Conservative vote share will collapse and the Party, if it survives at all, risks either being supplanted by a new UKIP-like group or decades in opposition.
If "No Deal" is as bad as some claim, who will get the blame for that - Labour, "the liberal left", no, it will be the Conservative Government and rightly so.
It's clear Conservatives are starting to build the narrative where if anything bad happens or if Brexit is cancelled, it will be someone else's fault, the nasty Europeans, the liberal left, the metropolitan elite.
Thing is, everyone will know whose fault it is.
It will be up to the Conservative membership to select parliamentary candidates who are in line with the members' views.
By all accounts there are only about 60,000 members. Take away those who are there to find good matches for their daughters and those who couldn't care less and you're probably down to the kind of numbers you'd get at a Burton Albion home game
Membership was 124,000 at the end of 2017, but lots of people joined in 2018. My guess would be about 150,000 now.
I think it was Matthew Parris who said in the last week that Conservative membership is down to the tens of thousands and dropping fast
AIUI Cooper's amendment restricts the ability of the government to make certain tax changes in the event of a no deal Brexit. Of course such tax changes will themselves require legislation which will supersede the amendment (assuming they are passed of course) so the amendment will have no effect.
I am sure it is just me but what was the point of this? If it was to show that there is and always has been a majority for remain in the House of Commons, despite the vast majority of them being elected on manifestos committed to implementing Brexit this is hardly news. If it was to show that this government no longer has a majority for pretty much anything including Finance bills that is hardly news either. If it was to highlight the fact that the Tory party is no longer a functioning or coherent whole capable of providing governance I suppose it had some effect, something the rebels might have reflected upon.
What I think we are actually seeing is yet more displacement activity by virtue signalers who are so sure of their own views. I suppose we have to fill in the unconscionable delays imposed by the PM with something. 5 more days of Brexit debate. What on earth is there still to say? Who on earth do these windbags think is still listening?
It's a signal, a signal that quite a lot of no-no-dealers didn't join in (presumably because they, like you and me, thought it was pointless) but still passed. What I think they are trying to do is show the Prime Minister that they are unignorable when it comes to her post-defeat options.
I think @DavidL had it right when he described the Cooper amendment as 'yet more displacement activity'. It's a way of appearing to do something, whilst avoiding doing what actually needs to be done by MPs: decide whether to support the deal on offer - which is the one and only way of leaving without crashing out in No Deal - or alternatively cancel Brexit altogether, if necessary with a referendum fig-leaf to cover their embarrassment.
Those are the choices. Theresa May, to her great credit, is firmly if perhaps quixotically pursuing one viable option. If MPs don't want to support her, they need to select the only other viable option. At the moment they are simply avoiding the decision, in a flurry of displacement activity and fantasies.
That's half true, but short of bringing down the Government there's not much they can do until May's Deal is brought to a vote, defeated and then the House has a chance to vote on what to do next.
It's May who created this vacuum of inactivity by delaying the vote.
Well, this is all very exciting and Italian, isn't it. It can't be long before we get fisticuffs inside Parliament and our gilets jaunes outside. Our politics are becoming more and more European even as we leave ... or perhaps not.
Anyway, Ken Clarke, currently one of the few grown ups in Parliament, has said the only thing that matters. If Parliament doesn't want a No Deal departure then it has to revoke Article 50 or vote for the Deal. Since it doesn't want the latter, it has only one choice.
He also said that the point of revoking Article 50 would be to give Britain time to come to a settled and considered view as to what it wanted to do next. Which was rather sweet. I will likely be in my grave before that happens.
All the rest is flim flam.
If A50 is revoked, we'll just revert to blaming the EU for our ills, and complaining about continued political integration.
not so sure Mr F
set aside the bluster about pitchforks, but there will then be a real chance of a political realignment. Currently most of Westminster is blindsided by its brexit enfatuation, most votersdont really care that much, they want more money, houses infrastrucutre that works. A common sense party would have a real chance. Plus add in spoiler candidates for prominent leavers\remainers and all bets are off.
Would all of that be a bad thing ?
It'd be a bloody good thing. Neither of the two main parties are fit for the purpose. The Lib Dems are irrelevant.
We need new and better parties. We could even have niche parties - for people with strong views on chocolate in hot drinks, for instance -
the National Alliance for Pineapple on Pizza would be a shoo in
A reminder that leaving with No Deal (WTO Brexit) is not the end position.
The UK could then negotiate a Withdrawal Agreement in parallel with a Free Trade Agreement.
Isnt that a bit like ripping of the sticking plaster and then trying to stick it back on again??
No. It means we only pay the £39bn if we get a satisfactory trade deal.
There would be no need for a backstop because we would know what the trade arrangements are between the UK and the EU once trade negotiations are completed in parallel with withdrawal arrangements.
What's the big deal about the Grieve amendment anyway. The clock is ticking and there isn't a huge amount to be changed whatever the time frame so let's just get on with it.
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
Well, this is all very exciting and Italian, isn't it. It can't be long before we get fisticuffs inside Parliament and our gilets jaunes outside. Our politics are becoming more and more European even as we leave ... or perhaps not.
Anyway, Ken Clarke, currently one of the few grown ups in Parliament, has said the only thing that matters. If Parliament doesn't want a No Deal departure then it has to revoke Article 50 or vote for the Deal. Since it doesn't want the latter, it has only one choice.
He also said that the point of revoking Article 50 would be to give Britain time to come to a settled and considered view as to what it wanted to do next. Which was rather sweet. I will likely be in my grave before that happens.
All the rest is flim flam.
If A50 is revoked, we'll just revert to blaming the EU for our ills, and complaining about continued political integration.
Well, this is all very exciting and Italian, isn't it. It can't be long before we get fisticuffs inside Parliament and our gilets jaunes outside. Our politics are becoming more and more European even as we leave ... or perhaps not.
Anyway, Ken Clarke, currently one of the few grown ups in Parliament, has said the only thing that matters. If Parliament doesn't want a No Deal departure then it has to revoke Article 50 or vote for the Deal. Since it doesn't want the latter, it has only one choice.
He also said that the point of revoking Article 50 would be to give Britain time to come to a settled and considered view as to what it wanted to do next. Which was rather sweet. I will likely be in my grave before that happens.
All the rest is flim flam.
If A50 is revoked, we'll just revert to blaming the EU for our ills, and complaining about continued political integration.
not so sure Mr F
set aside the bluster about pitchforks, but there will then be a real chance of a political realignment. Currently most of Westminster is blindsided by its brexit enfatuation, most votersdont really care that much, they want more money, houses infrastrucutre that works. A common sense party would have a real chance. Plus add in spoiler candidates for prominent leavers\remainers and all bets are off.
Would all of that be a bad thing ?
It'd be a bloody good thing. Neither of the two main parties are fit for the purpose. The Lib Dems are irrelevant.
We need new and better parties. We could even have niche parties - for people with strong views on chocolate in hot drinks, for instance -
Well, this is all very exciting and Italian, isn't it. It can't be long before we get fisticuffs inside Parliament and our gilets jaunes outside. Our politics are becoming more and more European even as we leave ... or perhaps not.
Anyway, Ken Clarke, currently one of the few grown ups in Parliament, has said the only thing that matters. If Parliament doesn't want a No Deal departure then it has to revoke Article 50 or vote for the Deal. Since it doesn't want the latter, it has only one choice.
He also said that the point of revoking Article 50 would be to give Britain time to come to a settled and considered view as to what it wanted to do next. Which was rather sweet. I will likely be in my grave before that happens.
All the rest is flim flam.
If A50 is revoked, we'll just revert to blaming the EU for our ills, and complaining about continued political integration.
not so sure Mr F
set aside the bluster about pitchforks, but there will then be a real chance of a political realignment. Currently most of Westminster is blindsided by its brexit enfatuation, most votersdont really care that much, they want more money, houses infrastrucutre that works. A common sense party would have a real chance. Plus add in spoiler candidates for prominent leavers\remainers and all bets are off.
Would all of that be a bad thing ?
not in the least, its probably overdue. We are have a 70s re run of ineffective government and politicians fascinated by their own concerns and ignoring those of the elctorate. A comprehensive overhaul is needed.
Well if you, I and Cyclefree are in accord, then it must be right.
(I will set aside for now the question of chocolate.)
Names like Mr Grieve and Mrs May are straight out of Dickens. Are we absolutely sure this is not some advanced drama, a stunt like the Welles War of the Worlds.
Speaking with remain friends over the last few days they sense blood and are starting to become a bit "triumphalist" If we do remain this will be the danger for UK society as a whole. The liberal left should be careful what they are wishing for.
There's that undercurrent or threat of "violence". We heard it from HYUFD, now from another Conservative activist.
I read it as sheer unadulterated fear (not you, Sean).
IF the Government revokes A50, who will the LEAVE side blame? Labour, "the liberal left", no, it will be the Conservatives pure and simple. The Conservative vote share will collapse and the Party, if it survives at all, risks either being supplanted by a new UKIP-like group or decades in opposition.
If "No Deal" is as bad as some claim, who will get the blame for that - Labour, "the liberal left", no, it will be the Conservative Government and rightly so.
It's clear Conservatives are starting to build the narrative where if anything bad happens or if Brexit is cancelled, it will be someone else's fault, the nasty Europeans, the liberal left, the metropolitan elite.
Thing is, everyone will know whose fault it is.
It will be up to the Conservative membership to select parliamentary candidates who are in line with the members' views.
By all accounts there are only about 60,000 members. Take away those who are there to find good matches for their daughters and those who couldn't care less and you're probably down to the kind of numbers you'd get at a Burton Albion home game
Membership was 124,000 at the end of 2017, but lots of people joined in 2018. My guess would be about 150,000 now.
I think it was Matthew Parris who said in the last week that Conservative membership is down to the tens of thousands and dropping fast
Well either you’ve misunderstood or you’re both wrong....
Speaking with remain friends over the last few days they sense blood and are starting to become a bit "triumphalist" If we do remain this will be the danger for UK society as a whole. The liberal left should be careful what they are wishing for.
As a member of it - that liberal left - I nevertheless agree with your sentiment. I don't want to win ugly. I want to play the beautiful game.
There's always such a thing as being careful what you wish for.
If, we do stay in, we'll form part of the growing awkward squad within the EU, and elect members of the awkward squad to the EU Parliament.
Possibly the decisive difference.
Even on current numbers, the UK sends more than 2/3rds of its MEPs to groups outside the EPP/S%D/ALDE centrist-federalist consensus. With the likely swing away from those groups at the elections this year, how possible is it that the UK's MEPs could deprive them of a majority?
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
The one single thing he could do which cements her authority.
You’ve got to hand it to him, the capacity of that man to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is impressive.
Why is that snatching defeat? May is doing a really rather nice job for Corbyn as Tory leader. If she stays longer, he wins. If if he gets a GE, he wins. Either way the thing he doesn't want, an effective Tory leader. is further away.
Because the story becomes ‘Labour fail in their attempt to bring down the govt’
Parliament does indeed determine its own processes and the Speaker is supposed to apply them - though I'm not too sure what the Commons can do if he doesn't.
(Of course, in theory, that means that the Speaker *should* be able to overrule his Clerks, as otherwise it would be they who were in practice sovereign and he just a cipher. Even so, it's not clever to be pushing the boundaries like this).
Sack him if they are unhappy. In this case, it appears a majority are not.
Speaking with remain friends over the last few days they sense blood and are starting to become a bit "triumphalist" If we do remain this will be the danger for UK society as a whole. The liberal left should be careful what they are wishing for.
There's that undercurrent or threat of "violence". We heard it from HYUFD, now from another Conservative activist.
I read it as sheer unadulterated fear (not you, Sean).
IF the Government revokes A50, who will the LEAVE side blame? Labour, "the liberal left", no, it will be the Conservatives pure and simple. The Conservative vote share will collapse and the Party, if it survives at all, risks either being supplanted by a new UKIP-like group or decades in opposition.
If "No Deal" is as bad as some claim, who will get the blame for that - Labour, "the liberal left", no, it will be the Conservative Government and rightly so.
It's clear Conservatives are starting to build the narrative where if anything bad happens or if Brexit is cancelled, it will be someone else's fault, the nasty Europeans, the liberal left, the metropolitan elite.
Thing is, everyone will know whose fault it is.
It will be up to the Conservative membership to select parliamentary candidates who are in line with the members' views.
By all accounts there are only about 60,000 members. Take away those who are there to find good matches for their daughters and those who couldn't care less and you're probably down to the kind of numbers you'd get at a Burton Albion home game
Membership was 124,000 at the end of 2017, but lots of people joined in 2018. My guess would be about 150,000 now.
I think it was Matthew Parris who said in the last week that Conservative membership is down to the tens of thousands and dropping fast
The same tens of thousands as the immigration figures?
John Bercow is the best speaker since de Montfort.
One of the most partisan, at any rate.
He sees himself - as all Speakers claim to - as the guardian of the rights of MPs, if necessary against the executive. His view (which doesn't surprise me) is that if the House wishes to debate the issue in a different manner, they should not be frustrated by Government procedural ingenuity.
The Government may actually be relieved when they think about it, because the alternative could have been the Commons actually defeating the Government business motion, instead of merely amending it. That really would be carnage.
If Grieve manages, through procedural alchemy, to transmute the base metal of the deal into the gold of remain they will probably upgrade his Légion d'honneur to the Grand Croix.
He'd deserve an EU Commissionership at the least.
He'll be in the queue behind Varadkar.....who may shortly lose his day job...
I know what you mean but (and I get flack for this) Gove is my favourite Conservative politician apart from the national treasure that is Kenneth Clark.
When MG speaks it's as if he is speaking to me personally. Odd, given that I'm Labour through and through, but there you are.
My mother-in-law has new glasses. They're exactly like Michael Gove's. It was, by far, the most traumatic aspect of the Festive period.
Well, this is all very exciting and Italian, isn't it. It can't be long before we get fisticuffs inside Parliament and our gilets jaunes outside. Our politics are becoming more and more European even as we leave ... or perhaps not.
Anyway, Ken Clarke, currently one of the few grown ups in Parliament, has said the only thing that matters. If Parliament doesn't want a No Deal departure then it has to revoke Article 50 or vote for the Deal. Since it doesn't want the latter, it has only one choice.
He also said that the point of revoking Article 50 would be to give Britain time to come to a settled and considered view as to what it wanted to do next. Which was rather sweet. I will likely be in my grave before that happens.
All the rest is flim flam.
If A50 is revoked, we'll just revert to blaming the EU for our ills, and complaining about continued political integration.
not so sure Mr F
set aside the bluster about pitchforks, but there will then be a real chance of a political realignment. Currently most of Westminster is blindsided by its brexit enfatuation, most votersdont really care that much, they want more money, houses infrastrucutre that works. A common sense party would have a real chance. Plus add in spoiler candidates for prominent leavers\remainers and all bets are off.
Would all of that be a bad thing ?
It'd be a bloody good thing. Neither of the two main parties are fit for the purpose. The Lib Dems are irrelevant.
We need new and better parties. We could even have niche parties - for people with strong views on chocolate in hot drinks, for instance -
Can we have one supporting pineapple on pizza?
Feel free. I like pineapple. I am not - other than say once every blue moon - particularly fond of pizza. I only really like it in Naples with real mozzarella and tomatoes and oil and nothing else. Asking me for my views on pineapple on pizza is like asking me about quantum physics or Die Hard, which I believe to be a film I have never seen and will never see: an utterly pointless activity.
Names like Mr Grieve and Mrs May are straight out of Dickens. Are we absolutely sure this is not some advanced drama, a stunt like the Welles War of the Worlds.
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
No future government in living memory would be willing ever again to unleash the chaos that is the omnishambolic clusterfuck of Brexit. This is the kind of soul-corroding constitutional trauma that a Nation will try only once.
Well, this is all very exciting and Italian, isn't it. It can't be long before we get fisticuffs inside Parliament and our gilets jaunes outside. Our politics are becoming more and more European even as we leave ... or perhaps not.
Anyway, Ken Clarke, currently one of the few grown ups in Parliament, has said the only thing that matters. If Parliament doesn't want a No Deal departure then it has to revoke Article 50 or vote for the Deal. Since it doesn't want the latter, it has only one choice.
He also said that the point of revoking Article 50 would be to give Britain time to come to a settled and considered view as to what it wanted to do next. Which was rather sweet. I will likely be in my grave before that happens.
All the rest is flim flam.
If A50 is revoked, we'll just revert to blaming the EU for our ills, and complaining about continued political integration.
not so sure Mr F
set aside the bluster about pitchforks, but there will then be a real chance of a political realignment. Currently most of Westminster is blindsided by its brexit enfatuation, most votersdont really care that much, they want more money, houses infrastrucutre that works. A common sense party would have a real chance. Plus add in spoiler candidates for prominent leavers\remainers and all bets are off.
Would all of that be a bad thing ?
It'd be a bloody good thing. Neither of the two main parties are fit for the purpose. The Lib Dems are irrelevant.
We need new and better parties. We could even have niche parties - for people with strong views on chocolate in hot drinks, for instance -
Can we have one supporting pineapple on pizza?
Feel free. I like pineapple. I am not - other than say once every blue moon - particularly fond of pizza. I only really like it in Naples with real mozzarella and tomatoes and oil and nothing else. Asking me for my views on pineapple on pizza is like asking me about quantum physics or Die Hard, which I believe to be a film I have never seen and will never see: an utterly pointless activity.
I was under the impression that one of the entry requirements for PB membership was that one had watched Die Hard multiple times, in order to be able to debate if it is a Christmas movie or not.
Standards are slipping like entry to Nursing courses...
100% of lorries are stopped and checked at Calais today.
Isn't it the time that is the issue. Few seconds a check - ok. A minute a check - chaos.
But at Calais they stop every truck and van and scan them, they can look at the customs declaration at the same time. At Dover all vehicles have to arrive minimum 1 hour before departure, drivers sitting around having a cup of tea, etc, It can not be too difficult to check the customs doc at the tea stop, during the time they are already sitting around doing nothing.
You have never been involved in international trade I bet. They need to check the following. Correct custom duties applied, goods meet the regulations of the importing country and source of goods. As regulations and duties are a moving feast often the goods don't meet the rules. A single electronic system that can verify the supplier, the goods and compliance with all the regulations is a theoretical concept but far from reality unfortunately. Not even in a few years.
There is a view that initially no need to check as we will be fully in compliance but the minute we issue a new law or fail to follow one of the EC new rules chaos ensues.
Speaking with remain friends over the last few days they sense blood and are starting to become a bit "triumphalist" If we do remain this will be the danger for UK society as a whole. The liberal left should be careful what they are wishing for.
There's that undercurrent or threat of "violence". We heard it from HYUFD, now from another Conservative activist.
I read it as sheer unadulterated fear (not you, Sean).
IF the Government revokes A50, who will the LEAVE side blame? Labour, "the liberal left", no, it will be the Conservatives pure and simple. The Conservative vote share will collapse and the Party, if it survives at all, risks either being supplanted by a new UKIP-like group or decades in opposition.
If "No Deal" is as bad as some claim, who will get the blame for that - Labour, "the liberal left", no, it will be the Conservative Government and rightly so.
It's clear Conservatives are starting to build the narrative where if anything bad happens or if Brexit is cancelled, it will be someone else's fault, the nasty Europeans, the liberal left, the metropolitan elite.
Thing is, everyone will know whose fault it is.
It will be up to the Conservative membership to select parliamentary candidates who are in line with the members' views.
By all accounts there are only about 60,000 members. Take away those who are there to find good matches for their daughters and those who couldn't care less and you're probably down to the kind of numbers you'd get at a Burton Albion home game
Membership was 124,000 at the end of 2017, but lots of people joined in 2018. My guess would be about 150,000 now.
I think it was Matthew Parris who said in the last week that Conservative membership is down to the tens of thousands and dropping fast
John Bercow is the best speaker since de Montfort.
But the least effective constituency MP.
Honestly we should have a ficititious constituency for the Speaker to represent, so when an MP becomes speaker, that seat could elect a new MP. Speakers can never meaningfully represent their constituents, and that's a shame.
And Bercow continues to support the current Speaker system and is against the alternative proposal for a St Stephens MP arrangement where once elected as Speaker they become the MPs MP and a by-election held in the Speaker's former constituency.
I've a couple of very old friends in Bercow's constituency and they really feel disenfranchised. I don't think they're likely to vote Tory, either.
We have HS2, an Incinerator and now a new motorway and new cities being proposed in the Buckingham constituency but an MP unable to speak or vote on these local issues in parliament.
Given Bercow has said he'll go this summer then standby for the Buckingham by-election
Bercow;s spokesperson specifically denied that he said he would go in the summer.
When appointed in 2009 he said he would go after nine years, which was last June.
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
Yep is we don't leave the EU as was the instruction given on 23rd June 2016 the campaign to leave will begin in earnest.
Never understood why Remainers think that over-turning the referendum and remaining would then be the end of the matter?
Anyway, the campaign to leave starts the moment Brexit is overturned and the campaign should encompass all democratic means necessary
Well, this is all very exciting and Italian, isn't it. It can't be long before we get fisticuffs inside Parliament and our gilets jaunes outside. Our politics are becoming more and more European even as we leave ... or perhaps not.
Anyway, Ken Clarke, currently one of the few grown ups in Parliament, has said the only thing that matters. If Parliament doesn't want a No Deal departure then it has to revoke Article 50 or vote for the Deal. Since it doesn't want the latter, it has only one choice.
He also said that the point of revoking Article 50 would be to give Britain time to come to a settled and considered view as to what it wanted to do next. Which was rather sweet. I will likely be in my grave before that happens.
All the rest is flim flam.
If A50 is revoked, we'll just revert to blaming the EU for our ills, and complaining about continued political integration.
not so sure Mr F
set aside the bluster about pitchforks, but there will then be a real chance of a political realignment. Currently most of Westminster is blindsided by its brexit enfatuation, most votersdont really care that much, they want more money, houses infrastrucutre that works. A common sense party would have a real chance. Plus add in spoiler candidates for prominent leavers\remainers and all bets are off.
Would all of that be a bad thing ?
It'd be a bloody good thing. Neither of the two main parties are fit for the purpose. The Lib Dems are irrelevant.
We need new and better parties. We could even have niche parties - for people with strong views on chocolate in hot drinks, for instance -
Can we have one supporting pineapple on pizza?
Feel free. I like pineapple. I am not - other than say once every blue moon - particularly fond of pizza. I only really like it in Naples with real mozzarella and tomatoes and oil and nothing else. Asking me for my views on pineapple on pizza is like asking me about quantum physics or Die Hard, which I believe to be a film I have never seen and will never see: an utterly pointless activity.
I was under the impression that one of the entry requirements for PB membership was that one had watched Die Hard multiple times, in order to be able to debate if it is a Christmas movie or not.
Standards are slipping like entry to Nursing courses...
Well, this is all very exciting and Italian, isn't it. It can't be long before we get fisticuffs inside Parliament and our gilets jaunes outside. Our politics are becoming more and more European even as we leave ... or perhaps not.
Anyway, Ken Clarke, currently one of the few grown ups in Parliament, has said the only thing that matters. If Parliament doesn't want a No Deal departure then it has to revoke Article 50 or vote for the Deal. Since it doesn't want the latter, it has only one choice.
He also said that the point of revoking Article 50 would be to give Britain time to come to a settled and considered view as to what it wanted to do next. Which was rather sweet. I will likely be in my grave before that happens.
All the rest is flim flam.
If A50 is revoked, we'll just revert to blaming the EU for our ills, and complaining about continued political integration.
not so sure Mr F
set aside the bluster about pitchforks, but there will then be a real chance of a political realignment. Currently most of Westminster is blindsided by its brexit enfatuation, most votersdont really care that much, they want more money, houses infrastrucutre that works. A common sense party would have a real chance. Plus add in spoiler candidates for prominent leavers\remainers and all bets are off.
Would all of that be a bad thing ?
It'd be a bloody good thing. Neither of the two main parties are fit for the purpose. The Lib Dems are irrelevant.
We need new and better parties. We could even have niche parties - for people with strong views on chocolate in hot drinks, for instance -
Can we have one supporting pineapple on pizza?
Feel free. I like pineapple. I am not - other than say once every blue moon - particularly fond of pizza. I only really like it in Naples with real mozzarella and tomatoes and oil and nothing else. Asking me for my views on pineapple on pizza is like asking me about quantum physics or Die Hard, which I believe to be a film I have never seen and will never see: an utterly pointless activity.
I was under the impression that one of the entry requirements for PB membership was that one had watched Die Hard multiple times, in order to be able to debate if it is a Christmas movie or not.
Standards are slipping like entry to Nursing courses...
I have never watched Die Hard
I'm afraid you've just missed your timeslot for that. Give it another 11 months.
Well, this is all very exciting and Italian, isn't it. It can't be long before we get fisticuffs inside Parliament and our gilets jaunes outside. Our politics are becoming more and more European even as we leave ... or perhaps not.
Anyway, Ken Clarke, currently one of the few grown ups in Parliament, has said the only thing that matters. If Parliament doesn't want a No Deal departure then it has to revoke Article 50 or vote for the Deal. Since it doesn't want the latter, it has only one choice.
He also said that the point of revoking Article 50 would be to give Britain time to come to a settled and considered view as to what it wanted to do next. Which was rather sweet. I will likely be in my grave before that happens.
All the rest is flim flam.
If A50 is revoked, we'll just revert to blaming the EU for our ills, and complaining about continued political integration.
not so sure Mr F
set aside the bluster about pitchforks, but there will then be a real chance of a political realignment. Currently most of Westminster is blindsided by its brexit enfatuation, most votersdont really care that much, they want more money, houses infrastrucutre that works. A common sense party would have a real chance. Plus add in spoiler candidates for prominent leavers\remainers and all bets are off.
Would all of that be a bad thing ?
It'd be a bloody good thing. Neither of the two main parties are fit for the purpose. The Lib Dems are irrelevant.
We need new and better parties. We could even have niche parties - for people with strong views on chocolate in hot drinks, for instance -
Can we have one supporting pineapple on pizza?
Feel free. I like pineapple. I am not - other than say once every blue moon - particularly fond of pizza. I only really like it in Naples with real mozzarella and tomatoes and oil and nothing else. Asking me for my views on pineapple on pizza is like asking me about quantum physics or Die Hard, which I believe to be a film I have never seen and will never see: an utterly pointless activity.
I was under the impression that one of the entry requirements for PB membership was that one had watched Die Hard multiple times, in order to be able to debate if it is a Christmas movie or not.
Standards are slipping like entry to Nursing courses...
I have never watched Die Hard
Outrageous. Next you will be telling us that you think Radiohead live are actually quite good.
Grieve is a great parliamentarian and has always been extremely impressive. He outwits most in his field.
The trouble is I doubt there are many votes in niche, functionary, legalistic, clever, managerial style of operating.
I could envisage Grieve penning the perfect 1000-page legal document to ensure anything Brexit-related doesn't become law while the proletariat are outside, firebombing parliament.
If Grieve manages, through procedural alchemy, to transmute the base metal of the deal into the gold of remain they will probably upgrade his Légion d'honneur to the Grand Croix.
He'd deserve an EU Commissionership at the least.
Grieve has been the great hero undermining Putin's Brexit.
Metropolitan Police uploads a video showing police cars nudging riders off motorbikes, with the aim of deterring moped muggers. What could go wrong?
Murder, apparently. It turns out the bad guys saw it as an instructional video. A 14-year-old boy has been stabbed to death by attackers who knocked him off a moped, in what police believe was a targeted attack. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46804698
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
Yep is we don't leave the EU as was the instruction given on 23rd June 2016 the campaign to leave will begin in earnest.
Never understood why Remainers think that over-turning the referendum and remaining would then be the end of the matter?
Anyway, the campaign to leave starts the moment Brexit is overturned and the campaign should encompass all democratic means necessary
Would it be too much to hope that next time they first try to reach agreement on what they actually want, within the bounds of what is possible?
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
No future government in living memory would be willing ever again to unleash the chaos that is the omnishambolic clusterfuck of Brexit. This is the kind of soul-corroding constitutional trauma that a Nation will try only once.
No one is going to offer an advisory referendum again.
But, I think it likely that a government would at some point, get elected that was pledged to leave the EU.
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
Yep is we don't leave the EU as was the instruction given on 23rd June 2016 the campaign to leave will begin in earnest.
Never understood why Remainers think that over-turning the referendum and remaining would then be the end of the matter?
Anyway, the campaign to leave starts the moment Brexit is overturned and the campaign should encompass all democratic means necessary
If Brexit is cancelled then Mrs May is toast. As is the wet wipe wing of the Con party.
The only question is do Grieve, Soubry etc love the EU more than the Uk ?
John Bercow's spokeswoman confirms that the Grieve amendment has been selected.
I'm told separately that Bercow held a meeting about it this morning with Sir David Natzler, the Clerk of the Commons, who advised him against selecting it.
Names like Mr Grieve and Mrs May are straight out of Dickens. Are we absolutely sure this is not some advanced drama, a stunt like the Welles War of the Worlds.
Jacob Rees-Mogg actually IS Dickensian.....
Who was the Wackford Squeers-alike in Mrs Thatcher's government?
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
Yep is we don't leave the EU as was the instruction given on 23rd June 2016 the campaign to leave will begin in earnest.
Never understood why Remainers think that over-turning the referendum and remaining would then be the end of the matter?
Anyway, the campaign to leave starts the moment Brexit is overturned and the campaign should encompass all democratic means necessary
Would it be too much to hope that next time they first try to reach agreement on what they actually want, within the bounds of what is possible?
If people are expecting any outcome to be the end of the matter they will be disappointed. Arguably the deal is worst as it explicitly avoids a long-term solution. We will be arguing of years until something worse comes along.
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
No future government in living memory would be willing ever again to unleash the chaos that is the omnishambolic clusterfuck of Brexit. This is the kind of soul-corroding constitutional trauma that a Nation will try only once.
That is the current problem.
The people want to Leave the EU but MPs don't want to Leave the EU.
The solution is for people to get more involved in the selection of party parliamentary candidates.
I said before the referendum result came in that whoever ended up 'winning' (if we end up staying in, that counts as a Remain win) would see it become Pyrrhic. And that's still true.
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
Yep is we don't leave the EU as was the instruction given on 23rd June 2016 the campaign to leave will begin in earnest.
Never understood why Remainers think that over-turning the referendum and remaining would then be the end of the matter?
Anyway, the campaign to leave starts the moment Brexit is overturned and the campaign should encompass all democratic means necessary
If Brexit is cancelled then Mrs May is toast. As is the wet wipe wing of the Con party.
The only question is do Grieve, Soubry etc love the EU more than the Uk ?
To help you get some idea of complexity of international trade. This is my list for today. In EC my requirement today is nothing but the right to sell in the UK.
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I strongly expect Mrs Leadsom will raise a point of order asking Mr Speaker for a ruling on whether Mr Speaker's ruling is in order. But I think we already know what the outcome will be.
Bercow has taken the advice of his Clerks, as is proper, and then has decided that he disagrees since principle is more important than convention, as is his right.
If Grieve manages, through procedural alchemy, to transmute the base metal of the deal into the gold of remain they will probably upgrade his Légion d'honneur to the Grand Croix.
He'd deserve an EU Commissionership at the least.
That's a good idea. Cutting medals for the heroes of the counter-revolution....
The highest honour could be a Grieve followed by a Sobrey or a Bercow
I know what you mean but (and I get flack for this) Gove is my favourite Conservative politician apart from the national treasure that is Kenneth Clark.
When MG speaks it's as if he is speaking to me personally. Odd, given that I'm Labour through and through, but there you are.
My mother-in-law has new glasses. They're exactly like Michael Gove's. It was, by far, the most traumatic aspect of the Festive period.
My father told me my glasses looked like Gove's just before Xmas. I threw them in the bin and got some Jurgen Klopps.
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
No future government in living memory would be willing ever again to unleash the chaos that is the omnishambolic clusterfuck of Brexit. This is the kind of soul-corroding constitutional trauma that a Nation will try only once.
That is the current problem.
The people want to Leave the EU but MPs don't want to Leave the EU.
The solution is for people to get more involved in the selection of party parliamentary candidates.
To be accurate about half 'the people' want to Leave. About half don't. Although I agree about more people getting involved in selecting candidates.
Marion Little also found not guilty. A proper tidying up of the rules is in order (but unlikely).
Yes, the rules are a complete shambles. No one, including the Electoral Commission, seems to know for sure what is legal and what isn't.
I get the impression that the precise distinction between whats allowed as constituency spending and what's allowed as national spending was always intended to be constructively ambiguous.
Unfortunately the national mood has shifted decisively against ambiguity (constructive or otherwise) in expense claims when the rules have not.
Every time MPs had an opportunity to replace Bercow, they bottled it. Chickens coming home to roost.
But I mean, seriously, how can the speaker allow an amendment which is against the SOs?
The final arbiter on all matters of procedure in the House is the Speaker. And it is, after all, only a convention that the house should not amend business of the house motions. But Bercow clearly feels that allowing the House to express its democratic will against an executive that is doing all in its power to prevent it is more important.
NB, it's also a long-standing convention that a government should resign if they lose an amendment on a finance bill. And yet...
Not true. The Callaghan Government did not fall when the Rooker-Wise amendment was passed in 1977.
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
I agree, especially as it is unlikely the EU is going to change direction. I would be happier with remaining if the people at the top of the EU had taken some responsibility for the leave vote - it is their failure as much as that of the UK's remainers. They failed. Instead they appear to have learnt nothing.
However next time the leavers will have to agree a prospectus *before* the referendum, and stand by that. The big lie cannot occur again.
IMO the hardcore Brexiteers don't deserve a second chance if they fail this time. The likes of Rees Mogg, David Davis, Farage and their ilk should be sent to live on Inaccessible Island for the mess their irrational Europhobia has left the country in.
And good riddance. Let the sane Brexiteers take over.
100% of lorries are stopped and checked at Calais today.
Isn't it the time that is the issue. Few seconds a check - ok. A minute a check - chaos.
But at Calais they stop every truck and van and scan them, they can look at the customs declaration at the same time. At Dover all vehicles have to arrive minimum 1 hour before departure, drivers sitting around having a cup of tea, etc, It can not be too difficult to check the customs doc at the tea stop, during the time they are already sitting around doing nothing.
You have never been involved in international trade I bet. They need to check the following. Correct custom duties applied, goods meet the regulations of the importing country and source of goods. As regulations and duties are a moving feast often the goods don't meet the rules. A single electronic system that can verify the supplier, the goods and compliance with all the regulations is a theoretical concept but far from reality unfortunately. Not even in a few years.
There is a view that initially no need to check as we will be fully in compliance but the minute we issue a new law or fail to follow one of the EC new rules chaos ensues.
So as an example you believe that for every car manufactured outside the EU they are stopped at the border and Cuthbert and Colin the customs chaps get out the EU type approval directive and check the car for compliance?
Just to let you know in the EU, compliance with regulations are not checked at the border, they are the legal responsibility of the importer.
I said before the referendum result came in that whoever ended up 'winning' (if we end up staying in, that counts as a Remain win) would see it become Pyrrhic. And that's still true.
The victory will be Tacitan. Solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
Steven Swinford Verified account @Steven_Swinford 4m4 minutes ago
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The Chief Whip has confronted John Bercow in the Chamber moments ago and warned that his decision to accept the Grieve amendment has damaged Parliament.
Bercow apparently responded by saying that he wouldn't be 'bullied' by Government whips
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
Yep is we don't leave the EU as was the instruction given on 23rd June 2016 the campaign to leave will begin in earnest.
Never understood why Remainers think that over-turning the referendum and remaining would then be the end of the matter?
Anyway, the campaign to leave starts the moment Brexit is overturned and the campaign should encompass all democratic means necessary
If Brexit is cancelled then Mrs May is toast. As is the wet wipe wing of the Con party.
The only question is do Grieve, Soubry etc love the EU more than the Uk ?
100% yes. Of course they do.
I was under the impression, given the fissiparous forces they have unleashed, that it is Brexiteers who hate the EU considerably more than they love the UK.
Christopher Hope Verified account @christopherhope 1m1 minute ago
We are heading for a major constitutional crunch over the Speaker John Bercow selecting Dominic Grieve's amendment. A senior source in the Labour whips' office says the amendment is "not selectable". Jacob Rees-Mogg is now in Chamber armed with a hard copy of Erskine May. #PMQs
Steven Swinford Verified account @Steven_Swinford 4m4 minutes ago
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The Chief Whip has confronted John Bercow in the Chamber moments ago and warned that his decision to accept the Grieve amendment has damaged Parliament.
Bercow apparently responded by saying that he wouldn't be 'bullied' by Government whips
It's all kicking off....
It would be equally valid to argue that it is the exectutive, with its extended filibuster, which has attempted to damage Parliament. Grieve/Bercow is a response to that.
Jacob Rees-Mogg is sat in the House of Commons with what looks suspiciously like a copy of Erskine May. A storm of points of order like no other will surely follow PMQs over the selection of the Grieve amendment.
Christopher Hope Verified account @christopherhope 1m1 minute ago
We are heading for a major constitutional crunch over the Speaker John Bercow selecting Dominic Grieve's amendment. A senior source in the Labour whips' office says the amendment is "not selectable". Jacob Rees-Mogg is now in Chamber armed with a hard copy of Erskine May. #PMQs
What’s he going to do ? Throw it at the Speaker ?
If Bercow is supported by a majority in the House, then his ruling is effectively unchallengeable.
Can't believe the Speaker has rescheduled the Grieve amendment to the business motion after the government's attempts to reschedule the Grieve amendnent to the business motion.
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
Yep is we don't leave the EU as was the insnecessary
If Brexit is cancelled then Mrs May is toast. As is the wet wipe wing of the Con party.
The only question is do Grieve, Soubry etc love the EU more than the Uk ?
100% yes. Of course they do.
I was under the impression, given the fissiparous forces they have unleashed, that it is Brexiteers who hate the EU considerably more than they love the UK.
I think the pop-corn moment is more how do the conservatives on the one hand cry Jeremy Corbyn is the UKs biggest threat while at the same time appearing to do their utmost to put him in office ?
One of the huge downsides of the FTPA is that parties can now have their civil wars in government with no actual downside to not governing.
Good to be reminded to collect my winnings on John Bercow not resigning in 2018. I shall miss him terribly when he's gone, he's been a great little income generator.
Bercow seems to have pushed it to far this time. His dictatorial concept of how to be a speaker is getting criticism from both sides of the Brexit divide. It would be worrying for democracy if he genuinely thinks he has a greater claim to power than the government.
100% of lorries are stopped and checked at Calais today.
Isn't it the time that is the issue. Few seconds a check - ok. A minute a check - chaos.
But at Calais they stop every truck and van and scan them, they can look at the customs declaration at the same time. At Dover all vehicles have to arrive minimum 1 hour before departure, drivers sitting around having a cup of tea, etc, It can not be too difficult to check the customs doc at the tea stop, during the time they are already sitting around doing nothing.
You have never been involved in international trade I bet. They need to check the following. Correct custom duties applied, goods meet the regulations of the importing country and source of goods. As regulations and duties are a moving feast often the goods don't meet the rules. A single electronic system that can verify the supplier, the goods and compliance with all the regulations is a theoretical concept but far from reality unfortunately. Not even in a few years.
There is a view that initially no need to check as we will be fully in compliance but the minute we issue a new law or fail to follow one of the EC new rules chaos ensues.
So as an example you believe that for every car manufactured outside the EU they are stopped at the border and Cuthbert and Colin the customs chaps get out the EU type approval directive and check the car for compliance?
Just to let you know in the EU, compliance with regulations are not checked at the border, they are the legal responsibility of the importer.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to resolve this argument for once and for all by having a "dress rehearsal" for a No Deal Brexit, say at the beginning of February.
If those saying there would be minimal disruption were proved right, they would have disarmed their opponents of their most potent weapon. If, on the other hand, chaos ensued and food and medicine started to run short, then we'd have the option of calling off the dress rehearsal and having another think about what to do.
You could pull a similar trick by holding a UK-wide referendum on "Do you wish to eject Northern Ireland from membership of the UK?".
Or Scotland of course.
The place I get to meet Leavers is the golf club and it's striking how many of them are passionate advocates of Scottish Independence. They also believe that Scotland is only kept afloat by English subsidy.
"So you wish to see Scotland impoverished, chaps, do you?" I've been known to say.
Jacob Rees-Mogg is sat in the House of Commons with what looks suspiciously like a copy of Erskine May. A storm of points of order like no other will surely follow PMQs over the selection of the Grieve amendment.
Popcorn time.
Bercow will accept a single point of order, say that he feels that the right of Parliament to be heard is vital, in light of the government's excessive time wasting. He might also remind Mrs Leadsom that if the house disagrees with his rulings, it is of course completely within its right to remove him with a motion of no confidence.
You could pull a similar trick by holding a UK-wide referendum on "Do you wish to eject Northern Ireland from membership of the UK?".
Or Scotland of course.
The place I get to meet Leavers is the golf club and it's striking how many of them are passionate advocates of Scottish Independence. They also believe that Scotland is only kept afloat by English subsidy.
"So you wish to see Scotland impoverished, chaps, do you?" I've been known to say.
Much sniggering all round.
The Scots of course say we will be impoverished as we will lose North Sea oil on top of Brexit.
I have yet to see a poll of English voters backing Scottish independence though unless reversing Brexit is the only way to keep Scotland in the UK
Looks as if PMQs could be interesting if ERG start attacking Bercow but what has become apparent is that the remainers have got their act together and are running rings round ERG
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
If Brexit does not happen this time, leavers have an infinity of time in which to come back again. Time is on the side of the leavers.
No future government in living memory would be willing ever again to unleash the chaos that is the omnishambolic clusterfuck of Brexit. This is the kind of soul-corroding constitutional trauma that a Nation will try only once.
No one is going to offer an advisory referendum again.
But, I think it likely that a government would at some point, get elected that was pledged to leave the EU.
Just as barmy as those on the Brexit side who don’t expect us to ever deal with Satan are those on the ultra europhile side who this as an opportunity to extinguish euroscepticism in the U.K. for good.
Jacob Rees-Mogg is sat in the House of Commons with what looks suspiciously like a copy of Erskine May. A storm of points of order like no other will surely follow PMQs over the selection of the Grieve amendment.
Popcorn time.
Bercow will accept a single point of order, say that he feels that the right of Parliament to be heard is vital, in light of the government's excessive time wasting. He might also remind Mrs Leadsom that if the house disagrees with his rulings, it is of course completely within its right to remove him with a motion of no confidence.
He tried that single point of order last time and it failed comprehensively
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It's May who created this vacuum of inactivity by delaying the vote.
No. It means we only pay the £39bn if we get a satisfactory trade deal.
There would be no need for a backstop because we would know what the trade arrangements are between the UK and the EU once trade negotiations are completed in parallel with withdrawal arrangements.
ERG had their chance for Brexit but became gready and look as if they are going to lose it for a very long time.
I am fortunate in so far as TM deal or remain are ok by me but I cannot say that I would look forward to the aftermath of us taking our place at the EU table and EU flags flying across the Country. The bitterness from many will be intense and prolonged
(I will set aside for now the question of chocolate.)
Even on current numbers, the UK sends more than 2/3rds of its MEPs to groups outside the EPP/S%D/ALDE centrist-federalist consensus. With the likely swing away from those groups at the elections this year, how possible is it that the UK's MEPs could deprive them of a majority?
In this case, it appears a majority are not.
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The Government may actually be relieved when they think about it, because the alternative could have been the Commons actually defeating the Government business motion, instead of merely amending it. That really would be carnage.
Uriah Heep, surely?
Standards are slipping like entry to Nursing courses...
There is a view that initially no need to check as we will be fully in compliance but the minute we issue a new law or fail to follow one of the EC new rules chaos ensues.
When appointed in 2009 he said he would go after nine years, which was last June.
Never understood why Remainers think that over-turning the referendum and remaining would then be the end of the matter?
Anyway, the campaign to leave starts the moment Brexit is overturned and the campaign should encompass all democratic means necessary
The trouble is I doubt there are many votes in niche, functionary, legalistic, clever, managerial style of operating.
I could envisage Grieve penning the perfect 1000-page legal document to ensure anything Brexit-related doesn't become law while the proletariat are outside, firebombing parliament.
And that's kinda the worry, right now...
Metropolitan Police uploads a video showing police cars nudging riders off motorbikes, with the aim of deterring moped muggers. What could go wrong?
Murder, apparently. It turns out the bad guys saw it as an instructional video.
A 14-year-old boy has been stabbed to death by attackers who knocked him off a moped, in what police believe was a targeted attack.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46804698
People seem to have forgotten that, nominally, Grieve and Bercow are Tories...
But, I think it likely that a government would at some point, get elected that was pledged to leave the EU.
If Brexit is cancelled then Mrs May is toast. As is the wet wipe wing of the Con party.
The only question is do Grieve, Soubry etc love the EU more than the Uk ?
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John Bercow's spokeswoman confirms that the Grieve amendment has been selected.
I'm told separately that Bercow held a meeting about it this morning with Sir David Natzler, the Clerk of the Commons, who advised him against selecting it.
Bercow did not agree.
Can a point of order be raised on this??
The people want to Leave the EU but MPs don't want to Leave the EU.
The solution is for people to get more involved in the selection of party parliamentary candidates.
A great day for discussions of actus reus versus mens rea I think.
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＊ Either Technical files or Devise master file including technical drawings with measurement
＊ Color photos of each products
＊ The list of all raw materials with CAS numbers
＊ Package materials
＊ ISO10993-1, the report of Biological actual test data.(Not evaluation reports.)
→cytotoxicity, sensitization and skin irritation
＊ ISO7864 test reports for single use cannula
＊ Sterilize Validations
＊ Test report of Ethylene oxide sterilization residuals.
＊ Self Life determination’s test data and Accelerated aging test data
＊ Declaration of Conformity
＊ Risk Management plan
＊ Risk management evaluation
＊ Risk Management report for products with date, name, position and signature
＊ IFU (Instruction for use)
２：Regarding QMS examination, we need following documents.
＊ ISO13485 certification for each manufacture.
＊ The latest quality manual for each manufacture
＊ The latest audit report of ISO13485 for each manufacture.
Bercow has taken the advice of his Clerks, as is proper, and then has decided that he disagrees since principle is more important than convention, as is his right.
The highest honour could be a Grieve followed by a Sobrey or a Bercow
Unfortunately the national mood has shifted decisively against ambiguity (constructive or otherwise) in expense claims when the rules have not.
However next time the leavers will have to agree a prospectus *before* the referendum, and stand by that. The big lie cannot occur again.
IMO the hardcore Brexiteers don't deserve a second chance if they fail this time. The likes of Rees Mogg, David Davis, Farage and their ilk should be sent to live on Inaccessible Island for the mess their irrational Europhobia has left the country in.
And good riddance. Let the sane Brexiteers take over.
Just to let you know in the EU, compliance with regulations are not checked at the border, they are the legal responsibility of the importer.
They only have to be lucky once.
Steven Swinford
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4m4 minutes ago
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The Chief Whip has confronted John Bercow in the Chamber moments ago and warned that his decision to accept the Grieve amendment has damaged Parliament.
Bercow apparently responded by saying that he wouldn't be 'bullied' by Government whips
It's all kicking off....
Christopher Hope
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1m1 minute ago
We are heading for a major constitutional crunch over the Speaker John Bercow selecting Dominic Grieve's amendment. A senior source in the Labour whips' office says the amendment is "not selectable". Jacob Rees-Mogg is now in Chamber armed with a hard copy of Erskine May. #PMQs
Grieve/Bercow is a response to that.
Jack Maidment
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Jacob Rees-Mogg is sat in the House of Commons with what looks suspiciously like a copy of Erskine May.
A storm of points of order like no other will surely follow PMQs over the selection of the Grieve amendment.
Popcorn time.
If Bercow is supported by a majority in the House, then his ruling is effectively unchallengeable.
THIS IS MADNESS.
First ride in the Daimler semi-autonomous truck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjEuruSB4Vk
One of the huge downsides of the FTPA is that parties can now have their civil wars in government with no actual downside to not governing.
Until of course the next election
If those saying there would be minimal disruption were proved right, they would have disarmed their opponents of their most potent weapon. If, on the other hand, chaos ensued and food and medicine started to run short, then we'd have the option of calling off the dress rehearsal and having another think about what to do.
The place I get to meet Leavers is the golf club and it's striking how many of them are passionate advocates of Scottish Independence. They also believe that Scotland is only kept afloat by English subsidy.
"So you wish to see Scotland impoverished, chaps, do you?" I've been known to say.
Much sniggering all round.
I have yet to see a poll of English voters backing Scottish independence though unless reversing Brexit is the only way to keep Scotland in the UK
They are both wrong.
today is the second anniversary of Stormont breaking up. Thats 2 years the useless numpties have drawn their salaries and ignored their constituents.
https://sluggerotoole.com/
That said, I think it's wrong here. There won't be a desert. It'll be more like trench warfare.