I’m probably in a minority, but that is a penalty for me. The defender looks at the flight of the ball and lets his arm get in its path. I think it’s the right decision.
First time ever in European Champions league history a team losing 2 - 0 at home in the first leg have progressed, and lets not forget this PSG
And 10 first teamers missing through injury
An amazing result, and Lukaku has been brilliant the last few matches.
This is what United used to be like, always capable of turning a loss into a draw, or draw into a win. I generally think clubs are far too quick to fire managers, but bloody hell it has worked, and by chance United have maybe found what they were missing with their caretaker manager.
I’m probably in a minority, but that is a penalty for me. The defender looks at the flight of the ball and lets his arm get in its path. I think it’s the right decision.
First time ever in European Champions league history a team losing 2 - 0 at home in the first leg have progressed, and lets not forget this PSG
And 10 first teamers missing through injury
An amazing result, and Lukaku has been brilliant the last few matches.
This is what United used to be like, always capable of turning a loss into a draw, or draw into a win. I generally think clubs are far too quick to fire managers, but bloody hell it has worked, and by chance United have maybe found what they were missing with their caretaker manager.
Many many happy memories over the years watching United play the United way
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
Brexit will not happen. Well done - you won. We were offered a vote, but well, most MPs had no real intention of honouring it. Remain kicked and screamed and sulked and sabotaged, and, well, looks like we're stuck in the EU now.
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
Ah who the hell knows any more.
But since you asked...depends what the extension would be used for.
Used for a second referendum...remain probably wins, we stay in. Used for a GE, Conservatives probably win,we do all this again unless they can get a semi-decent majority.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
Brexit will not happen. Well done - you won. We were offered a vote, but well, most MPs had no real intention of honouring it. Remain kicked and screamed and sulked and sabotaged, and, well, looks like we're stuck in the EU now.
I can't really be arsed voting again.
Nobody has won.
I'm still in favour of Leaving even without a deal.
Whatever, Revoke or Leave, happens the country's buggered.
I’m probably in a minority, but that is a penalty for me. The defender looks at the flight of the ball and lets his arm get in its path. I think it’s the right decision.
Extraordinary game.
Yes, I think it is a fair call as he moved his body knowing the shot was coming. But, his arms were still in the “natural silhouette”, so it would be interesting to know if it might be different from next season.
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
Brexit will not happen. Well done - you won. We were offered a vote, but well, most MPs had no real intention of honouring it. Remain kicked and screamed and sulked and sabotaged, and, well, looks like we're stuck in the EU now.
I can't really be arsed voting again.
Brexit can happen next week, if the ERG unicorn hunt was called off. But they don't really want to leave, because what would they do with their rest of their lives?
I’m probably in a minority, but that is a penalty for me. The defender looks at the flight of the ball and lets his arm get in its path. I think it’s the right decision.
Extraordinary game.
Yes, I think it is a fair call as he moved his body knowing the shot was coming. But, his arms were still in the “natural silhouette”, so it would be interesting to know if it might be different from next season.
The handball rules aren't being properly applied right now - see the Schalke penalty from Man City game
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
Brexit will not happen. Well done - you won. We were offered a vote, but well, most MPs had no real intention of honouring it. Remain kicked and screamed and sulked and sabotaged, and, well, looks like we're stuck in the EU now.
I can't really be arsed voting again.
Brexit can happen next week, if the ERG unicorn hunt was called off. But they don't really want to leave, because what would they do with their rest of their lives?
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
Someone who is entitled to express an opinion over the behaviour of a member of Parliament who is over-reaching what I believe to be the role of someone in his position
Someone who is entitled to express an opinion over the behaviour of a member of Parliament who is over-reaching what I believe to be the role of someone in his position
And Grieve thinks he is someone entitled to express an opinion too
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
Who does this unnamed Brexiteer mean by 'we' and what does losing mean? Because surely the most exuberant Brexiteers think losing means the deal passing?
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
Brexit will not happen. Well done - you won. We were offered a vote, but well, most MPs had no real intention of honouring it. Remain kicked and screamed and sulked and sabotaged, and, well, looks like we're stuck in the EU now.
I can't really be arsed voting again.
Brexit can happen next week, if the ERG unicorn hunt was called off. But they don't really want to leave, because what would they do with their rest of their lives?
The more charitable explanation as advanced by some on here is that the deal is not really leaving (though I find that argument very weak) or of course that no deal is better than a crap deal - but I have been surprised how many really do seem to believe that no brexit is better than a bad brexit.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
Brexit will not happen. Well done - you won. We were offered a vote, but well, most MPs had no real intention of honouring it. Remain kicked and screamed and sulked and sabotaged, and, well, looks like we're stuck in the EU now.
I can't really be arsed voting again.
Brexit can happen next week, if the ERG unicorn hunt was called off. But they don't really want to leave, because what would they do with their rest of their lives?
Leaving properly and trading with your neighbours isn't a unicorn what happens the rest of the world over. The rest of the f***ing world finds a way to exist, why can't we?
I take issue with it being a matter of age. Unless he is referring to political generations? Because someone might enter parliament late compared to some and be a relative novice at an age others are 30 year veterans, and so a breath of fresh air, if such is needed.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
Yeah, sure. If a Labour MP had endorsed an image of a Jewish politician being buggered by a pig the laughter would have been deafening.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Do you realise the UK suffers a downturn in that scenario?
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
Well at least they're not foolishly thinking they can get it through at least. Will they please just give up on the deal already (or at least, give up on it in anything other than approval via a referendum). It's not a pleasant or edifying spectacle seeing the government, half of which doesn't really seem to like the deal anyway given the lukewarm effort they put in on it, keep flogging this dead horse.
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
Brexit will not happen. Well done - you won. We were offered a vote, but well, most MPs had no real intention of honouring it. Remain kicked and screamed and sulked and sabotaged, and, well, looks like we're stuck in the EU now.
I can't really be arsed voting again.
Brexit can happen next week, if the ERG unicorn hunt was called off. But they don't really want to leave, because what would they do with their rest of their lives?
Leaving properly and trading with your neighbours isn't a unicorn what happens the rest of the world over. The rest of the f***ing world finds a way to exist, why can't we?
Of course we could 'exist' but it's hardly the sunlit uplands we were promised.
Alternatively we could stay in the EU and continue to thrive.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
Yeah, sure. If a Labour MP had endorsed an image of a Jewish politician being buggered by a pig the laughter would have been deafening.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
Yeah, sure. If a Labour MP had endorsed an image of a Jewish politician being buggered by a pig the laughter would have been deafening.
Perhaps it would have been more tactful to show him being assaulted by a bear.
Well at least they're not foolishly thinking they can get it through at least. Will they please just give up on the deal already (or at least, give up on it in anything other than approval via a referendum). It's not a pleasant or edifying spectacle seeing the government, half of which doesn't really seem to like the deal anyway given the lukewarm effort they put in on it, keep flogging this dead horse.
Nowadays they're having to reanimate it before they can flog it to death all over again.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
Yeah, sure. If a Labour MP had endorsed an image of a Jewish politician being buggered by a pig the laughter would have been deafening.
We've already had some outrage tonight because Michael Howard was depicted trying to hypnotise people by swinging a pocket watch, just like Shylock does in the Merchant of Venice.
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
I reckon plan B is a 21 month extension. So much the same as the WA in practice, just inside the EU rather than inside. We could leave straight to an FTA, except our negotiators have both the energy and competence of a dead snail.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Do you realise the UK suffers a downturn in that scenario?
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
Absolutely. Remain is getting stronger by the day, and what incentive would there be for the reluctant to back a Brexit option to resolve it when remain would be on the table?
A long delay means the continuity remainers know they have won (or at least can get a referendum and a chance to win) since it will be proof that Leavers, even with the threat of remain, simply will not agree something. And if preventing a delay leading to possible remain does not create a majority for a leave option, I don't see why the emergence of that remain option would either. We know some Brexiteers would prefer remain, they have said as much.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
I believe pigs are unusually rather than massively endowed; the end of their penis is corkscrew shaped and locks into place during the act.
I had a friend who trained as a pig farmer before deciding he was better suited to the antiques trade, just in case anyone thinks I have an excessive interest in the subject.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Many years ago, in a PJ O'Rourke book the title of which I forget, he pointed out that most US people would be happy with a cut in living standards provide that Japan (the bete-noir of the day) suffered more. He also pointed out that this was stupid.
Evening all. I've been away for a few days so maybe I've missed something, but am I right that Nothing Has Changed? Brexit still in utter chaos, MPs still chasing unicorns, Labour still consumed by antisemitism, Trump still batting off revelations which would have killed off anyone else's political career.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Do you realise the UK suffers a downturn in that scenario?
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
Which is that a 0.5% fall in GDP usually means.
you said disaster - 0.5% is not a disaster
You Leavers promised sunlit uplands, the voters losing jobs will be pissed off, it'll be a disaster for those who get buggered by Brexit.
Christ you're like a Corbynite, because no matter how bad it is, it's great ideology.
Plus I thought the Leaver consensus is that we're sicked and tired of experts.
Evening all. I've been away for a few days so maybe I've missed something, but am I right that Nothing Has Changed? Brexit still in utter chaos, MPs still chasing unicorns, Labour still consumed by antisemitism, Trump still batting off revelations which would have killed off anyone else's political career.
You could be away for a few months and Nothing Would Change. It's like Groundhog Day round here, but with real hogs.
Evening all. I've been away for a few days so maybe I've missed something, but am I right that Nothing Has Changed? Brexit still in utter chaos, MPs still chasing unicorns, Labour still consumed by antisemitism, Trump still batting off revelations which would have killed off anyone else's political career.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
I believe pigs are unusually rather than massively endowed; the end of their penis is corkscrew shaped and locks into place during the act.
I had a friend who trained as a pig farmer before deciding he was better suited to the antiques trade, just in case anyone thinks I have an excessive interest in the subject.
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
Brexit will not happen. Well done - you won. We were offered a vote, but well, most MPs had no real intention of honouring it. Remain kicked and screamed and sulked and sabotaged, and, well, looks like we're stuck in the EU now.
I can't really be arsed voting again.
Brexit can happen next week, if the ERG unicorn hunt was called off. But they don't really want to leave, because what would they do with their rest of their lives?
Leaving properly and trading with your neighbours isn't a unicorn what happens the rest of the world over. The rest of the f***ing world finds a way to exist, why can't we?
Of course we could 'exist' but it's hardly the sunlit uplands we were promised.
Alternatively we could stay in the EU and continue to thrive.
We have had bad times while in the EU too you know, it is not a guarantee of eternal thriving.
However, when even ardent no deal Brexiteers are saying to reject the deal option even if it means remain, well, one can hardly blame remainers for saying the same thing. They're right. I wouldn't trust this government, this parliament, to organise a deal for the post transition. It won't be pleasant for us or the EU to remain, so much bitterness, but at least there'd be the status quo.
Evening all. I've been away for a few days so maybe I've missed something, but am I right that Nothing Has Changed? Brexit still in utter chaos, MPs still chasing unicorns, Labour still consumed by antisemitism, Trump still batting off revelations which would have killed off anyone else's political career.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Do you realise the UK suffers a downturn in that scenario?
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
Evening all. I've been away for a few days so maybe I've missed something, but am I right that Nothing Has Changed? Brexit still in utter chaos, MPs still chasing unicorns, Labour still consumed by antisemitism, Trump still batting off revelations which would have killed off anyone else's political career.
You could be away for a few months and Nothing Would Change. It's like Groundhog Day round here, but with real hogs.
It's worse than Groundhog Day - Bill Murray at least learned things during the course of his time loop.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
Yeah, sure. If a Labour MP had endorsed an image of a Jewish politician being buggered by a pig the laughter would have been deafening.
Perhaps it would have been more tactful to show him being assaulted by a bear.
But that wouldn't really have harmonised with the general thrust of the Tory campaign against Sadiq Khan, which was essentially based on attacking him because he was a Muslim, would it?
But that was fine, because racism is terrible, except when directed against Muslims. They're fair game because ... well, I wonder why.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Do you realise the UK suffers a downturn in that scenario?
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
Evening all. I've been away for a few days so maybe I've missed something, but am I right that Nothing Has Changed? Brexit still in utter chaos, MPs still chasing unicorns, Labour still consumed by antisemitism, Trump still batting off revelations which would have killed off anyone else's political career.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Do you realise the UK suffers a downturn in that scenario?
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
Yeah, sure. If a Labour MP had endorsed an image of a Jewish politician being buggered by a pig the laughter would have been deafening.
We've already had some outrage tonight because Michael Howard was depicted trying to hypnotise people by swinging a pocket watch, just like Shylock does in the Merchant of Venice.
I'm sure you were deeply offended by all the Cameron pig-f*cker jokes.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Do you realise the UK suffers a downturn in that scenario?
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
Evening all. I've been away for a few days so maybe I've missed something, but am I right that Nothing Has Changed? Brexit still in utter chaos, MPs still chasing unicorns, Labour still consumed by antisemitism, Trump still batting off revelations which would have killed off anyone else's political career.
You could be away for a few months and Nothing Would Change. It's like Groundhog Day round here, but with real hogs.
I don't know, Man U have been transformed since May agreed her deal with the EU.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Do you realise the UK suffers a downturn in that scenario?
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
I reckon plan B is a 21 month extension. So much the same as the WA in practice, just inside the EU rather than inside. We could leave straight to an FTA, except our negotiators have both the energy and competence of a dead snail.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
Yeah, sure. If a Labour MP had endorsed an image of a Jewish politician being buggered by a pig the laughter would have been deafening.
We've already had some outrage tonight because Michael Howard was depicted trying to hypnotise people by swinging a pocket watch, just like Shylock does in the Merchant of Venice.
I'm sure you were deeply offended by all the Cameron pig-f*cker jokes.
Oh right. You think it wasn't Islamophobic because depicting a Muslim being buggered by a pig was a purely random choice of animal. It might just as well have been an octopus or an okapi?
I know we joke about the 'nothing has changed' stuff, but it seriously cannot be normal that literally the same story that ran back in December about there being another meaningful vote being run depending on how big the defeat is, with hopes of it being around by around 100, is being circulated again with the dates changed and a 3 after MV instead of a 2?
I mean, that is bonkers. I know May has no other plan to get something agreed other than playing for time, but for heaven's sake MPs, you are going to be very clear how much you do not want to pass this deal, it cannot be beyond even your wit to realise it is time to pass something else to break the impasse?
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Do you realise the UK suffers a downturn in that scenario?
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
Evening all. I've been away for a few days so maybe I've missed something, but am I right that Nothing Has Changed? Brexit still in utter chaos, MPs still chasing unicorns, Labour still consumed by antisemitism, Trump still batting off revelations which would have killed off anyone else's political career.
You could be away for a few months and Nothing Would Change. It's like Groundhog Day round here, but with real hogs.
I don't know, Man U have been transformed since May agreed her deal with the EU.
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
I reckon plan B is a 21 month extension. So much the same as the WA in practice, just inside the EU rather than inside. We could leave straight to an FTA, except our negotiators have both the energy and competence of a dead snail.
Except we can't negotiate an FTA while a member of the EU.
So does everyone agree that because he is still a Tory MP, Theresa May is obviously a big Islamophobe and is facilitating Islamophobia in the Tory party?
It depends whether or not the cartoon was funny. We all had a laugh about David Cameron's encounter with a pig.
Oh right. When it's Islamophobia, it's OK if it's funny. Yes.
Well, who in their right mind wouldn't be amused by the thought of a Muslim being buggered by a pig? Of course.
If you can't laugh about a politician being buggered by a pig (or some other well-endowed animal) what can you laugh about?
I believe pigs are unusually rather than massively endowed; the end of their penis is corkscrew shaped and locks into place during the act.
I had a friend who trained as a pig farmer before deciding he was better suited to the antiques trade, just in case anyone thinks I have an excessive interest in the subject.
This clip with would be pig farmer Willie Rennie doesn't confirm much, other than politicians should avoid working with animals.
So is the PB consensus if Brexit gets delayed for more than 3 months then Brexit will never happen?
I reckon plan B is a 21 month extension. So much the same as the WA in practice, just inside the EU rather than inside. We could leave straight to an FTA, except our negotiators have both the energy and competence of a dead snail.
Except we can't negotiate an FTA while a member of the EU.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Do you realise the UK suffers a downturn in that scenario?
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
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Extraordinary game.
He's looking to prevent the disaster of No Deal, something Leavers said wouldn't happen/is Project Fear.
This is what United used to be like, always capable of turning a loss into a draw, or draw into a win. I generally think clubs are far too quick to fire managers, but bloody hell it has worked, and by chance United have maybe found what they were missing with their caretaker manager.
I voted to Remain - and believe that the referendum should still be honoured.
I can't really be arsed voting again.
But since you asked...depends what the extension would be used for.
Used for a second referendum...remain probably wins, we stay in.
Used for a GE, Conservatives probably win,we do all this again unless they can get a semi-decent majority.
I know this is serious and all but "everything is going to be shit" is like the anti-Lego movie.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Grieve
And who are you ?
I'm still in favour of Leaving even without a deal.
Whatever, Revoke or Leave, happens the country's buggered.
https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerUK/status/1052233618356142080
25th amendment please. Urgently.
However, the Institut also modelled the effect of a “hard but smart” Brexit, where the UK left with no deal but also put in place large unilateral tariff cuts, more or less exactly along the lines of what what the Government is planning. In this scenario, the UK actually faces a smaller impact than the EU – they forecast a -0.5% impact on the UK compared to -0.4% for France and -0.48% for Germany, and -0.6% for the EU as a whole. Ireland is still by far the biggest loser, taking a -5.39% hit, ten times the size of the UK…
Not what Vote Leave promised the voters.
The fact the Irish suffer more than us will be no comfort to people in the UK who lose their jobs.
Which is that a 0.5% fall in GDP usually means.
Alternatively we could stay in the EU and continue to thrive.
A long delay means the continuity remainers know they have won (or at least can get a referendum and a chance to win) since it will be proof that Leavers, even with the threat of remain, simply will not agree something. And if preventing a delay leading to possible remain does not create a majority for a leave option, I don't see why the emergence of that remain option would either. We know some Brexiteers would prefer remain, they have said as much.
I had a friend who trained as a pig farmer before deciding he was better suited to the antiques trade, just in case anyone thinks I have an excessive interest in the subject.
It's my preferred, and there's definitely a logic to it from both UK and EU perspective. Not sure it's legally manageable though.
Christ you're like a Corbynite, because no matter how bad it is, it's great ideology.
Plus I thought the Leaver consensus is that we're sicked and tired of experts.
Tony Blair isn't leaving Labour as well.
However, when even ardent no deal Brexiteers are saying to reject the deal option even if it means remain, well, one can hardly blame remainers for saying the same thing. They're right. I wouldn't trust this government, this parliament, to organise a deal for the post transition. It won't be pleasant for us or the EU to remain, so much bitterness, but at least there'd be the status quo.
https://twitter.com/carmen_mayes/status/1102986818209890304?s=19
We are sick and tired of EXPORTS.
But that was fine, because racism is terrible, except when directed against Muslims. They're fair game because ... well, I wonder why.
I can't be easy when we hold all the cards.
I mean, that is bonkers. I know May has no other plan to get something agreed other than playing for time, but for heaven's sake MPs, you are going to be very clear how much you do not want to pass this deal, it cannot be beyond even your wit to realise it is time to pass something else to break the impasse?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgSQ47iNJ3U
"Miracle in Paris".
"Brussels collapse"