I mean, using the term coloured probably isn't as bad as deporting people just because they're black, but unfortunately for Amber Rudd she's done both of these things but only said shes mortified about one
Rudd has deported people just for being black?
Were there White Windrushers?
Only in Game of Thrones.
Seriously though, your point only stands if there were black non-Windrushers deported.
If May is a unifier then Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize.
She has done zip to bring the country together . She insulted Remainers by calling them citizens of nowhere , called EU nationals queue jumpers , refused to criticize the press when it was parading judges and some MPs as enemies of the people . A horrible nasty woman who should be nowhere near no 10.
Don't hold back, nico67! Tell us what you really feel!
Lmao! I was actually being reserved ! I was worried I might get banned !
I mean, using the term coloured probably isn't as bad as deporting people just because they're black, but unfortunately for Amber Rudd she's done both of these things but only said shes mortified about one
Rudd has deported people just for being black?
Were there White Windrushers?
Don't know. Though plenty of white people get deported.
SNP - 36% (-2) Con - 26% (nc) Lab - 19% (-3) Lib Dem - 9% (+2) Green - 6% (nc)
UKIP - 3% (+2)
Holyrood Constituency:
SNP - 41% (nc) Con - 27% (+2) Lab - 19% (-4) Lib Dem - 8% (+2) Green - 3% (nc) UKIP - 2% (+1)
Westminster:
SNP - 37% (nc) Con - 27% (+1) Lab - 22% (-4) Lib Dem - 7% (+1) Green - 2% (nc) UKIP - 2% (nc) TIG - 2% (+2)
The fall in Labour's vote looks in line with what has happened across GB in recent weeks. 22% in a Westminster election remains well above the levels reached in April/May 2017 and not very different to what polls were recording in the later stages of the election campaign. If Labour picks up again nationally in the coming months 30% in Scotland becomes a realistic expectation at the next Westminster election.
Yes in an immediate GE Labour would probably only hold Edinburgh S and possibly East Lothian and Coatbridge as well.
The residual 20% Labour vote in Scotland looks pretty hardcore though as the May 2017 local elections showed when Labour only got just over 20% of the vote but was still competitive with the SNP in working class parts of Fife, Lothians, Lanarkshire and Inverclyde.
The main challenge for Slab will be keeping on the board the soft SNP/Green votes who are sympathetic to Indy (but is not necessarily an overriding concern on a GEG who voted strategically for Corbyn while trying to appeal to older working class voters who are less keen on the SNPs EU stance etc at the same time.
I agree with most of that and suspect that Labour will derive comfort from SNP support remaining at 37%. A strong Labour performance next time should be able to push that down to circa 33%.
SNP - 36% (-2) Con - 26% (nc) Lab - 19% (-3) Lib Dem - 9% (+2) Green - 6% (nc)
UKIP - 3% (+2)
Holyrood Constituency:
SNP - 41% (nc) Con - 27% (+2) Lab - 19% (-4) Lib Dem - 8% (+2) Green - 3% (nc) UKIP - 2% (+1)
Westminster:
SNP - 37% (nc) Con - 27% (+1) Lab - 22% (-4) Lib Dem - 7% (+1) Green - 2% (nc) UKIP - 2% (nc) TIG - 2% (+2)
The fall in Labour's vote looks in line with what has happened across GB in recent weeks. 22% in a Westminster election remains well above the levels reached in April/May 2017 and not very different to what polls were recording in the later stages of the election campaign. If Labour picks up again nationally in the coming months 30% in Scotland becomes a realistic expectation at the next Westminster election.
Yes in an immediate GE Labour would probably only hold Edinburgh S and possibly East Lothian and Coatbridge as well.
The residual 20% Labour vote in Scotland looks pretty hardcore though as the May 2017 local elections showed when Labour only got just over 20% of the vote but was still competitive with the SNP in working class parts of Fife, Lothians, Lanarkshire and Inverclyde.
The main challenge for Slab will be keeping on the board the soft SNP/Green votes who are sympathetic to Indy (but is not necessarily an overriding concern on a GEG who voted strategically for Corbyn while trying to appeal to older working class voters who are less keen on the SNPs EU stance etc at the same time.
I agree with most of that and suspect that Labour will derive comfort from SNP support remaining at 37%. A strong Labour performance next time should be able to push that down to circa 33%.
I can well imagine fundamentalist Christians and many DUP supporters having a fair bit of sympathy with the messages being chanted there.
If someone says they don't like or respect Christianity that could trigger a very interesting philosophical/theological debate.
If someone says they don't like or respect Islam/Judaism that will likely trigger accusations of racism and a likely unpleasant conversation.
It's complicated by Jews being both a race and a religion. It's hard (though not impossible) to express dislike for Judaism without expressing dislike for Jews, or at least, for people to suspect one's motives.
Winstanley seems quite well informed and appears to be correct about JLM being involved with the Israeli embassy or at least certain individuals within such as Ella Rose and as a proxy for anti Corbyn factionalism but his latest claims about the 'refounding' of JLM have caused the controversy.
Its funny how quickly they are springing into action these days.
Yet that member had to report a video calling him 'a fucking jew' nine times, and get the police involved, before Labour did anything.
I think I might have missed the back story with this one
What has Asa allegedly done?
He's been a batshit conspiracy theorist for a long long time. Very close with Chris Williamson. Was campaigning heavily against Labour adopting IHRA definition of anti Semitism.
There's so much more than that, but suffice to say he should never have been a member of any mainstream political party.
Winstanley seems quite well informed and appears to be correct about JLM being involved with the Israeli embassy or at least certain individuals within such as Ella Rose and as a proxy for anti Corbyn factionalism but his latest claims about the 'refounding' of JLM have caused the controversy.
The DUP should just support a soft Brexit and then they can ditch the backstop . Their bluff needs to be called .
FWIW I think the DUP would be happy with a soft Brexit, or even no Brexit, as long as they don't have to be seen supporting it. They can hardly have failed to notice that a hard Brexit would very likely lead to a referendum on Irish unity. So they will continue to vote down May's deal in the knowledge that this will lead to a softer outcome which will make the backstop unnecessary.
I'm sure I read something about a porno license being needed from April, available in all good newsagents apparently. Making Wanking Digital or some such
There's now a MOJ app, featuring a character called Spank the Monkey, who explains how it works.
I can well imagine fundamentalist Christians and many DUP supporters having a fair bit of sympathy with the messages being chanted there.
If someone says they don't like or respect Christianity that could trigger a very interesting philosophical/theological debate.
If someone says they don't like or respect Islam/Judaism that will likely trigger accusations of racism and a likely unpleasant conversation.
It's complicated by Jews being both a race and a religion. It's hard (though not impossible) to express dislike for Judaism without expressing dislike for Jews, or at least, for people to suspect one's motives.
Well indeed, especially with the history there. There's no such race issue with the other 2 (though people call it a race issue still).
I am not a fan of any organised religion, I feel the world would be a much better place if medieval and older mythologies were not being followed as the divine word of God.
But while I feel OK to argue, sometimes vehemently, online against Christianity without getting into anything more than a fascinating debate ... any criticism (however mild) of Islam or Judaism I feel has to be crouched with a "I think this about Christianity too" caveat to avoid accusations of racism. Even then its still not always enough.
It makes properly philosophical and theological debates a lot harder to have.
I can well imagine fundamentalist Christians and many DUP supporters having a fair bit of sympathy with the messages being chanted there.
If someone says they don't like or respect Christianity that could trigger a very interesting philosophical/theological debate.
If someone says they don't like or respect Islam/Judaism that will likely trigger accusations of racism and a likely unpleasant conversation.
That’s a very interesting point. I think one can get away with it if it’s a case of not liking any religion , as you’re not really judging one above the other .
You’re certainly correct in your view. It also throws up something else why are people so insulted if someone doesn’t like their religion . I mean all the time we like and don’t like certain things. Personally I’m not religious , but aspects of different religions interest me.
Winstanley seems quite well informed and appears to be correct about JLM being involved with the Israeli embassy or at least certain individuals within such as Ella Rose and as a proxy for anti Corbyn factionalism but his latest claims about the 'refounding' of JLM have caused the controversy.
Chuka Umunna says TIG would introduce PR, have national service for all school leavers and turn Parliament into a museum and build a new Chamber amongst other policies as well as stand candidates in every seat at the next general election
Why not build 2 new chambers in different cities, and have everyone up-sticks and move between the two every month? I know that sounds totally ridiculous, and no sane person would ever consider it, but our friends in Brussels/Strasbourg appear to think otherwise...
If we extend and participate in the Euro elections, I'm half imagining that the UK MEPs will sit in Strasbourg when the rest sit in Brussels and vice versa!
Winstanley seems quite well informed and appears to be correct about JLM being involved with the Israeli embassy or at least certain individuals within such as Ella Rose and as a proxy for anti Corbyn factionalism but his latest claims about the 'refounding' of JLM have caused the controversy.
I can well imagine fundamentalist Christians and many DUP supporters having a fair bit of sympathy with the messages being chanted there.
If someone says they don't like or respect Christianity that could trigger a very interesting philosophical/theological debate.
If someone says they don't like or respect Islam/Judaism that will likely trigger accusations of racism and a likely unpleasant conversation.
It's complicated by Jews being both a race and a religion. It's hard (though not impossible) to express dislike for Judaism without expressing dislike for Jews, or at least, for people to suspect one's motives.
Well indeed, especially with the history there. There's no such race issue with the other 2 (though people call it a race issue still).
I am not a fan of any organised religion, I feel the world would be a much better place if medieval and older mythologies were not being followed as the divine word of God.
But while I feel OK to argue, sometimes vehemently, online against Christianity without getting into anything more than a fascinating debate ... any criticism (however mild) of Islam or Judaism I feel has to be crouched with a "I think this about Christianity too" caveat to avoid accusations of racism. Even then its still not always enough.
It makes properly philosophical and theological debates a lot harder to have.
I think most of my objections to religion are at a general level that are equally applicable to all religions - or at least to the three Abrahamic religions. E.g. Why does it matter to God [Allah/whoever] if I believe in them if I do good anyway? If I'm expected to believe without a personal miracle, why create miracles for these other dudes? Why would an infallible deity create such a contradictory set of instructions for how to live one's life? And so on.
Do Leavers really have sleepless nights over the backstop . And before the referendum did they have panic attacks over whether the UK should have its own trade deals !
All of a sudden some Leavers will almost need to be hospitalized if heaven forbid the UK stays in a Customs Union .
People have just wedded themselves to the pure Brexit pushed by the ERG , it’s become like a proxy religion . Any divergence from that path is seen as heresy .
Half the country seems to have lost the plot and Remainers can only look on horrified as the UK turns into an ungovernable mess falling apart with the country never more divided.
Considering that it was the argument eloquently made by Michael Gove and ironically Mr Tyndall of this parish that we could get better trade deals out than in which switched me from supporting Remain to Leave . . . yes absolutely it is a deal-breaker to me.
I voted to Leave to Leave the Customs Union. Others voted with other priorities but it was a big deal to me then, so this is a big deal to me now.
If that pushed you towards Leave then expect to be disappointed. Size matters ! Lol
The EU has 500 million consumers and will always get a better deal than the UK.
Size matters yes, but not necessarily in the way you mean it. Large can be bureaucratic, scelerotic and monolithic. Small can be nimble and agile.
Australia has better trade deals than the EU. No reason we can't.
Does Australia have better trade deals than the EU?
It has a lot fewer of them. 10 deals, with 16 countries.
Of course the Aussies might have 10 real corkers, but I am not sure how you'd even come up with a way of judging the relative performance.
And it is simple common sense that if you are the biggest market on the planet you have a good negotiating position. Plenty of sheep, minerals and some tasty tubes of lager are all great things to have no doubt but I know which one I'd rather do a deal with.
Chuka Umunna says TIG would introduce PR, have national service for all school leavers and turn Parliament into a museum and build a new Chamber amongst other policies as well as stand candidates in every seat at the next general election
Winstanley seems quite well informed and appears to be correct about JLM being involved with the Israeli embassy or at least certain individuals within such as Ella Rose and as a proxy for anti Corbyn factionalism but his latest claims about the 'refounding' of JLM have caused the controversy.
Winstanley seems quite well informed and appears to be correct about JLM being involved with the Israeli embassy or at least certain individuals within such as Ella Rose and as a proxy for anti Corbyn factionalism but his latest claims about the 'refounding' of JLM have caused the controversy.
Of course the Aussies might have 10 real corkers, but I am not sure how you'd even come up with a way of judging the relative performance.
And it is simple common sense that if you are the biggest market on the planet you have a good negotiating position. Plenty of sheep, minerals and some tasty tubes of lager are all great things to have no doubt but I know which one I'd rather do a deal with.
You're comparing apples with oranges there. The EU's aren't all FTAs whereas you're only counting full FTA's with Australia.
Australia has FTA's with USA, China and Japan - 3/4 of the world's top economies. With one with the EU itself on the way too. Once the EU one comes into force [and we sign one with them too which we will] they will have agreements with all the world's top major economies. The EU now has an FTA with Japan (famously just come into force) but hasn't got one with either USA or China.
He's right. And they should not have a problem with that, since they would say they are making the right choice here.
Will any Cabinet Members finally throw in the towel if after the vote fails against next week May proposed to do nothing again? It's time to give up on Brexit - when even the Brexit purists don't want the Brexit that is on offer, just stop.
To be fair, they had Karen Bradley apologising for putting her foot in her gob. However many cabinet ministers apologise in a day, you probably can’t really put more than one in a 60 second headline sequence. And KB’s was the more substantial cock-up.
(And Amber followed straight after.. in the sequence on ‘ministers who’ve cocked up today’)
I can well imagine fundamentalist Christians and many DUP supporters having a fair bit of sympathy with the messages being chanted there.
If someone says they don't like or respect Christianity that could trigger a very interesting philosophical/theological debate.
If someone says they don't like or respect Islam/Judaism that will likely trigger accusations of racism and a likely unpleasant conversation.
It's complicated by Jews being both a race and a religion. It's hard (though not impossible) to express dislike for Judaism without expressing dislike for Jews, or at least, for people to suspect one's motives.
Well indeed, especially with the history there. There's no such race issue with the other 2 (though people call it a race issue still).
I am not a fan of any organised religion, I feel the world would be a much better place if medieval and older mythologies were not being followed as the divine word of God.
But while I feel OK to argue, sometimes vehemently, online against Christianity without getting into anything more than a fascinating debate ... any criticism (however mild) of Islam or Judaism I feel has to be crouched with a "I think this about Christianity too" caveat to avoid accusations of racism. Even then its still not always enough.
It makes properly philosophical and theological debates a lot harder to have.
It's a peculiarly modern thing. Despite being a much more secular society than in the past, we pussyfoot around criticising particular religions, or denominations within religions, in a way that would seem pathetically weak to our ancestors.
Or else, as you say, take refuge in saying all religions are equally bad, which staves off accusations of bigotry, but which is not intellectually honest.
@SayeedaWarsi 7h7 hours ago More “In one alleged incident, a senior named party officer was accused of referring to a Conservative council candidate of Indian origin, Prab Ghosh, as “Oran”, allegedly a shortening of “orangutan”.
@SayeedaWarsi 7h7 hours ago More “In one alleged incident, a senior named party officer was accused of referring to a Conservative council candidate of Indian origin, Prab Ghosh, as “Oran”, allegedly a shortening of “orangutan”.
Its nice that your finally getting interested in incidents of racism
Just how significant is that result? Just look at the scatter plot further down the article!
Those scatter plots are amazing .... Voodoo Statistics with the Chicken Entrails and Ceremonial Drums.
It is amazing that someone funded this “research” to the tune of 235,386 euros.
Could you explain what's wrong with their statistics?
Well, what is the horizontal axis? What is the scale and unit of “populism”? Is the scale linear or logarithmic?
What is the vertical axis? E.g., how has “electoral quality” (second graph) been measured?
On the vertical axis in the first graph, why does the “data” neatly line up in horizontal lines, as if on a grid ? Anyone who deals with real data finds that it rarely occupies a set of grid points, like a checkerboard.
What are the error bars on the “datapoints”? Anyone who deals with real data knows that any datum comes with an error bar, normally asymmetrical and non-gaussian.
What are the blue lines ? How have the errors been treated in drawing the dashed blue lines. What are the covariances between the quantities and how have they been dealt with?
You understand that the Guardian article isn't their paper, right? It's an article about the paper?
Unfortunately the link to the actual paper is broken right now, so I have no idea how clear they are on these points or whether it's total pseudoscience... and neither do you. But you can see some of their methodology here:
There is no refereed paper in a Journal. So, there is NO PAPER.
There is a link to a file on a website.
I obviously looked at the file before posting the questions.
Perhaps answer the questions I posed, rather than conjecturing I had not looked at the file ?
What did you see when you looked at the file?
A 23 page document, which is at the level of “The Very Hungry Caterpillar”
A document that's winning numerous awards then?
This was my favorite bit of the document - which has no description or discussion whatsoever of methods:
"2 Note that this is not the recommended method from Solt (2016)."
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https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1103735035100844033
Seriously though, your point only stands if there were black non-Windrushers deported.
https://twitter.com/Rosa_Doherty/status/1103764251720773640
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46109889
Both the DUP and Sinn Fein are very poorly rated, but that won't stop them from winning 60%+ of the vote.
Yet that member had to report a video calling him 'a fucking jew' nine times, and get the police involved, before Labour did anything.
If someone says they don't like or respect Islam/Judaism that will likely trigger accusations of racism and a likely unpleasant conversation.
What has Asa allegedly done?
Winstanley seems quite well informed and appears to be correct about JLM being involved with the Israeli embassy or at least certain individuals within such as Ella Rose and as a proxy for anti Corbyn factionalism but his latest claims about the 'refounding' of JLM have caused the controversy.
There's so much more than that, but suffice to say he should never have been a member of any mainstream political party.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley
mhhh
I am not a fan of any organised religion, I feel the world would be a much better place if medieval and older mythologies were not being followed as the divine word of God.
But while I feel OK to argue, sometimes vehemently, online against Christianity without getting into anything more than a fascinating debate ... any criticism (however mild) of Islam or Judaism I feel has to be crouched with a "I think this about Christianity too" caveat to avoid accusations of racism. Even then its still not always enough.
It makes properly philosophical and theological debates a lot harder to have.
You’re certainly correct in your view. It also throws up something else why are people so insulted if someone doesn’t like their religion . I mean all the time we like and don’t like certain things. Personally I’m not religious , but aspects of different religions interest me.
It has a lot fewer of them. 10 deals, with 16 countries.
http://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/why-is-australia-so-keen-on-free-trade-agreements/
The EU by contrast has around 40 with as many again in the pipeline.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements
Of course the Aussies might have 10 real corkers, but I am not sure how you'd even come up with a way of judging the relative performance.
And it is simple common sense that if you are the biggest market on the planet you have a good negotiating position. Plenty of sheep, minerals and some tasty tubes of lager are all great things to have no doubt but I know which one I'd rather do a deal with.
Hmmm again
2 out of 3 is not bad.
Asa is anti Israel, and I'm guessing Jewish ..
Australia has FTA's with USA, China and Japan - 3/4 of the world's top economies. With one with the EU itself on the way too. Once the EU one comes into force [and we sign one with them too which we will] they will have agreements with all the world's top major economies.
The EU now has an FTA with Japan (famously just come into force) but hasn't got one with either USA or China.
What a surprise
Will any Cabinet Members finally throw in the towel if after the vote fails against next week May proposed to do nothing again? It's time to give up on Brexit - when even the Brexit purists don't want the Brexit that is on offer, just stop.
(And Amber followed straight after.. in the sequence on ‘ministers who’ve cocked up today’)
Or else, as you say, take refuge in saying all religions are equally bad, which staves off accusations of bigotry, but which is not intellectually honest.
You know things are bad when even the Brexit loving Telegraph has this news. What has this inept government been doing for the last two years !
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