So an absolute majority against a referendum, even if every abstainer had voted "Yes".
I wonder if this will FINALLY stop this delusion that Corbyn could trigger a second referendum if only he snapped his fingers.
The counter to that is the same as with May's Deal that a few people could come over if it was close and they could make the difference with their vote.
Given the right moment it could be possible but I suspect the different factions needed cannot come together, the Tiggers have different priorities.
It's no great surprise. There's no enthusiasm for a second vote on the Conservative benches and not much on the Labour benches either. Even this LD doesn't support it.
Once we have enacted the result of the 23/6/16 referendum there's every reason to argue for a new referendum to seek to rejoin the EU on terms which would be clearly spelled out in advance.
Of course the big secret the elite won't acknowledge is that the working class generally want out, are aware they get screwed whoever rules and in a deal, a no deal or remain and couldn't give a shit about what benefits business and the middle classes and their 3 holidays a year.
Hilariously so. “But what about Tarquin’s Erasmus overseas study in Berlin?”
Or indeed "Brexit's Impact on Michelin Dining" (not a spoof...)
There must have been about 20 Opposition voting with the government.
Which is not as many as is sometimes suggested are bitterly against a referendum. But in fairness with an abstention whipped no need to fear it might pass
So an absolute majority against a referendum, even if every abstainer had voted "Yes".
I wonder if this will FINALLY stop this delusion that Corbyn could trigger a second referendum if only he snapped his fingers.
The counter to that is the same as with May's Deal that a few people could come over if it was close and they could make the difference with their vote.
Given the right moment it could be possible but I suspect the different factions needed cannot come together, the Tiggers have different priorities.
I think the chances were pretty slim anyway, but it's definitely dead now.
Athenian democracy was actually closer, in terms of democratic immediacy, to the kind of anarchist ideas of continual participatory decision-making that would give many conservatives a fright.
Indeed. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mytilenian_Debate for a vote to commit genocide, followed by a vote the other way on exactly the same subject the following day. It was like being governed by Sun headline writers. Athens was not the wonder it was cracked up to be; look what it did to Socrates.
Nor was that the worst decision, by any means. Like the ERG, the Athenians never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity to obtain peace with honour in the war against Sparta.
So an absolute majority against a referendum, even if every abstainer had voted "Yes".
I wonder if this will FINALLY stop this delusion that Corbyn could trigger a second referendum if only he snapped his fingers.
He is too thick to be able to manage anything as coordinated as snapping his fingers. He would have to put a decision like that to a revolutionary committee to check that snapping fingers was not an act of bourgeois authoritarianism.
I voted to leave. I did not vote to ask the EU for permission to leave. Yet, it has been all along as if the UK electorate voted for the latter, the final straw being the vote to rule out the so called "no deal". The EU's decision to offer utterly punitive withdrawal terms amounts to their saying no to a request from the UK to ask for permission to leave. Their aim is to keep the UK in the EU, either as now or under May's BINO arrangement which would be even more advantageous to them than the current status quo.
With a resolute PM determined to leave, the exact opposite of what we have, the starting point for negotiations should have been for the UK to declare that it would be leaving, and that the EU could only choose whetherhe insistence on the backstop) we would walk away until after March 29th 2019. The UK would have declared that it did not accept that the EU would fail to negotiate after that date, and made it clear to all the world that the UK was perfectly prepared to wait because we knew we would get better terms after we were out. We would, because the question of whether or not the UK leaves would be off the table. We would publish draft tariff schedules that were as punitive as they could be to EU imports under the limitations of WTO terms, declaring that we hoped that they would last no more than a few weeks once the EU stance changed to a goal of negotiating a trade settlement in its interests, rather than of offering nothing to dissuade the UK from leaving. When the EU retailiated with plans for similar tariffs of their own, we would react with equinimity, pointing out that it was EU manufactured goods that were primarily at risk given the vast imbalance in trade between us. If bottlenecks developed at UK ports, on account of all the empty lorries leaving the UK, we would announced that priority would be given to those which were actually loaded. We would publish how the UK would use the short term tariffs on EU imported goods to offset the increased costs on UK consumers and businesses, such as through reductions or new exemptions from VAT. We would have started a public information campaign to highlight UK manufacturing and encourage the public to make informed choices (such as, for example, drawing attention to which cars are assembled in the UK). And I think public opinion would have hardened against remaining in those circumstances.
Tl;dr?
Leaver shocked at entirely predictable events following Leave vote.
I am not shocked at the actions of the EU elite. I am not even shocked that a Remain supporting PM let them get away with it. I am just angry that she did.
Of course the big secret the elite won't acknowledge is that the working class generally want out, are aware they get screwed whoever rules and in a deal, a no deal or remain and couldn't give a shit about what benefits business and the middle classes and their 3 holidays a year.
Hilariously so. “But what about Tarquin’s Erasmus overseas study in Berlin?”
Dorling and Tomlinson say that the proportion of leave voters in social class C2, D, E was just 41%; middle class was 59%
Imagine the furore and outrage if another school had caved into pressure from protesters and stopped teaching classes on Islam...
An utter disgrace.
It is
If I were 25 years old, I would emigrate tomorrow. Britain is finished. Europe is finished. Stagnation and religious strife await.
I’d go to America. Where English freedoms and the Enlightenment are still, thank god, protected by that Constitution. And I’d buy lots of guns.
Or I’d go to Asia. The future.
You might want to look more closely at American news before making that decision.
Or try eating some of their 'cheese'.
In posh parts of California you can get every variety of European cheese plus their own new artisanal stuff, which is nice. Also Californian wines (not quite as good as Aussie, but v pleasant). Plus all those deserts and mountains. The sweet summer sweat. Warm smell of calyptus.
Fuck it, I’m going.
True, there are small pockets of the US where one can get decent stuff. Dreadful bureaucracy though - much worse than here.
Indeed. I have encountered the US tax system. I am still recovering.
It is amazing how vivacious their economy is - creating giants like apple, and amazon, and google - when the bureaucracy seems designed to frustrate it.
Go to Socal.
The weather is what you imagine, while in Norcal on a good day it's like Birmingham
That's not fair. Once you get inland - say San Jose - it's not bad. It's just not as good as SoCal.
Of course the big secret the elite won't acknowledge is that the working class generally want out, are aware they get screwed whoever rules and in a deal, a no deal or remain and couldn't give a shit about what benefits business and the middle classes and their 3 holidays a year.
Hilariously so. “But what about Tarquin’s Erasmus overseas study in Berlin?”
Tarquins studies are 95% of remain rage. The WC just laugh and have a pint. Tbh Tarquin and the enraged middle classes can suck on my farts
Of course the big secret the elite won't acknowledge is that the working class generally want out, are aware they get screwed whoever rules and in a deal, a no deal or remain and couldn't give a shit about what benefits business and the middle classes and their 3 holidays a year.
Hilariously so. “But what about Tarquin’s Erasmus overseas study in Berlin?”
How did he get into University? Big scandal going on at the moment about the bank of mum and dad opening doors.
It is nonsense to claim that the Leave campaign was based on the condition that the UK would only leave once an agreement was in place, and that if that could not happen then we would stay in the EU indefinitely. Was the Leave campaign really saying that the UK should fail to serve A50 in perpetuity if the EU failed to come to the negotiating table in good faith? Do you really believe that?
I read that paragraph as being conditional on the assumption that the EU would act in good faith. When it turned out very quickly that the EU were instead behaving as utter b******s, due to an early correct appreciation that their negotiating opponent was a weak jellyfish, their main negotiating goal being to bring the UK to a position when it changed its mind by offering nothing, then it was implicit that Plan B would need to kick in and A50 would have to be served.
THERE IS NO MANDATE FOR NO DEAL
DO YOU READ THE DAILY EXPRESS?
there is no such thing as no deal. there is only the choice between reaching an agreement of some form with the eu before or after the uk leaves.
So an absolute majority against a referendum, even if every abstainer had voted "Yes".
I wonder if this will FINALLY stop this delusion that Corbyn could trigger a second referendum if only he snapped his fingers.
The counter to that is the same as with May's Deal that a few people could come over if it was close and they could make the difference with their vote.
Given the right moment it could be possible but I suspect the different factions needed cannot come together, the Tiggers have different priorities.
I think the chances were pretty slim anyway, but it's definitely dead now.
It is badly damaged I'd say but still not completely out for the count.
Proves beyond doubt that TIG don't care that much about a second referendum though.
Of course the big secret the elite won't acknowledge is that the working class generally want out, are aware they get screwed whoever rules and in a deal, a no deal or remain and couldn't give a shit about what benefits business and the middle classes and their 3 holidays a year.
Hilariously so. “But what about Tarquin’s Erasmus overseas study in Berlin?”
Dorling and Tomlinson say that the proportion of leave voters in social class C2, D, E was just 41%; middle class was 59%
"As Western civilization declines or at least frays at the edges, the ways our culture has developed to deal with the gap in the attractiveness distribution are receding and dying. Young people enter the equality-inducing institution of monogamy later and later or not at all, spending more time in a chaotically unequal polygynous dating world. Monogamy itself is weaker, as divorce becomes easier and even married people often report encountering “dead bedrooms” in which one or both spouses feel no obligation to give a partner who they do not regard as sufficiently attractive access to sexual experiences. Religious belief is in constant decline, and with it declines the belief in the dignity of celibacy or the importance of anything other than hedonism (sexual or otherwise). Even fairy tales that for centuries helped us understand how to live charitably with each other are disavowed and cultural tastemakers like Time Magazine and the BBC denigrate them as sexist.
The result of these cultural changes is that the highly unequal social structures of the prehistoric savanna homo sapiens are reasserting themselves, and with them the dissatisfactions of the unattractive “sexually underprivileged” majority are coming back. It is ironic that the progressives who cheer on the decline of religion and the weakening of “outdated” institutions like monogamy are actually acting as the ultimate reactionaries, returning us to the oldest and most barbaric, unequal animal social structures that have ever existed. In this case it is the conservatives who are cheering for the progressive ideal of “sexual income redistribution” through a novel invention: monogamy."
Imagine the furore and outrage if another school had caved into pressure from protesters and stopped teaching classes on Islam...
An utter disgrace.
It is
If I were 25 years old, I would emigrate tomorrow. Britain is finished. Europe is finished. Stagnation and religious strife await.
I’d go to America. Where English freedoms and the Enlightenment are still, thank god, protected by that Constitution. And I’d buy lots of guns.
Or I’d go to Asia. The future.
You might want to look more closely at American news before making that decision.
Or try eating some of their 'cheese'.
In posh parts of California you can get every variety of European cheese plus their own new artisanal stuff, which is nice. Also Californian wines (not quite as good as Aussie, but v pleasant). Plus all those deserts and mountains. The sweet summer sweat. Warm smell of calyptus.
Fuck it, I’m going.
True, there are small pockets of the US where one can get decent stuff. Dreadful bureaucracy though - much worse than here.
Indeed. I have encountered the US tax system. I am still recovering.
It is amazing how vivacious their economy is - creating giants like apple, and amazon, and google - when the bureaucracy seems designed to frustrate it.
Go to Socal.
The weather is what you imagine, while in Norcal on a good day it's like Birmingham
That's not fair. Once you get inland - say San Jose - it's not bad. It's just not as good as SoCal.
Of course the big secret the elite won't acknowledge is that the working class generally want out, are aware they get screwed whoever rules and in a deal, a no deal or remain and couldn't give a shit about what benefits business and the middle classes and their 3 holidays a year.
Hilariously so. “But what about Tarquin’s Erasmus overseas study in Berlin?”
Dorling and Tomlinson say that the proportion of leave voters in social class C2, D, E was just 41%; middle class was 59%
That's the problem with the term "middle class", the real median is not the what we might call the newspaper definition of middle class, which in fact tends to be the upper quintile of incomes.
Which is why a huge amount of utter bollocks is written about the middle class, and what it means for politics, the economy, etc.
While everyone is following the Parliamentary excitement, I think the implications of JRMs "not for public disclosure" comment in the Dispatches Programme on his returns due from Somerset Capital Management may have been overlooked.
Aside from the obvious public interest in an MP making millions from a firm benefiting from shorting UK assets that are damaged by Brexit, there is also the question of how much is disclosed to Somerset's investors. More to the point the ultimate beneficial owners of the investment vehicles that invest in Somerset funds are also not disclosed.
Who is JRM investing for? Why are they paying him such large returns? There are certain rumours, and if they are true then JRM is in really serious trouble.
It is nonsense to claim that the Leave campaign was based on the condition that the UK would only leave once an agreement was in place, and that if that could not happen then we would stay in the EU indefinitely. Was the Leave campaign really saying that the UK should fail to serve A50 in perpetuity if the EU failed to come to the negotiating table in good faith? Do you really believe that?
I read that paragraph as being conditional on the assumption that the EU would act in good faith. When it turned out very quickly that the EU were instead behaving as utter b******s, due to an early correct appreciation that their negotiating opponent was a weak jellyfish, their main negotiating goal being to bring the UK to a position when it changed its mind by offering nothing, then it was implicit that Plan B would need to kick in and A50 would have to be served.
THERE IS NO MANDATE FOR NO DEAL
DO YOU READ THE DAILY EXPRESS?
there is no such thing as no deal. there is only the choice between reaching an agreement of some form with the eu before or after the uk leaves.
Do I read the Daily Express? Are you having a laugh? Let me make it simple enough that even the average intellect of a leaver that does read that excuse for a newspaper can understand: The leave campaign said there would be a deal before we left (remember the easiest deal in history?). There is therefore no mandate for the wet dream of the ERG. There is no evidence that there is support for a hard Brexit. Now there is no chance of a second referendum it cannot be tested, but leaving without a deal was not what was voted for. Without a deal we are in limbo. Hope you understand that. I made the words as simple as possible
This seems a bit silly. Aren't people who signed up to them generally pretty politically switched on? Many of them must know that it was TIG who defied what People's Vote and Best For Britain said about the amendment, and Labour who did what they wanted. How are they going to feel about getting blatant lies emailed to them?
Of course the big secret the elite won't acknowledge is that the working class generally want out, are aware they get screwed whoever rules and in a deal, a no deal or remain and couldn't give a shit about what benefits business and the middle classes and their 3 holidays a year.
Hilariously so. “But what about Tarquin’s Erasmus overseas study in Berlin?”
Dorling and Tomlinson say that the proportion of leave voters in social class C2, D, E was just 41%; middle class was 59%
That's the problem with the term "middle class", the real median is not the what we might call the newspaper definition of middle class, which in fact tends to be the upper quintile of incomes.
Which is why a huge amount of utter bollocks is written about the middle class, and what it means for politics, the economy, etc.
Immediate e mail from TIG - labour have let you down !!!
I'm worried we've lost your vote BigG...
I think the cult that you follow that was formally known as the Labour Party has lost the possible votes of many people that would vote for it if it was not led by a numpty
"As Western civilization declines or at least frays at the edges, the ways our culture has developed to deal with the gap in the attractiveness distribution are receding and dying. Young people enter the equality-inducing institution of monogamy later and later or not at all, spending more time in a chaotically unequal polygynous dating world. Monogamy itself is weaker, as divorce becomes easier and even married people often report encountering “dead bedrooms” in which one or both spouses feel no obligation to give a partner who they do not regard as sufficiently attractive access to sexual experiences. Religious belief is in constant decline, and with it declines the belief in the dignity of celibacy or the importance of anything other than hedonism (sexual or otherwise). Even fairy tales that for centuries helped us understand how to live charitably with each other are disavowed and cultural tastemakers like Time Magazine and the BBC denigrate them as sexist.
The result of these cultural changes is that the highly unequal social structures of the prehistoric savanna homo sapiens are reasserting themselves, and with them the dissatisfactions of the unattractive “sexually underprivileged” majority are coming back. It is ironic that the progressives who cheer on the decline of religion and the weakening of “outdated” institutions like monogamy are actually acting as the ultimate reactionaries, returning us to the oldest and most barbaric, unequal animal social structures that have ever existed. In this case it is the conservatives who are cheering for the progressive ideal of “sexual income redistribution” through a novel invention: monogamy."
"As Western civilization declines or at least frays at the edges, the ways our culture has developed to deal with the gap in the attractiveness distribution are receding and dying. Young people enter the equality-inducing institution of monogamy later and later or not at all, spending more time in a chaotically unequal polygynous dating world. Monogamy itself is weaker, as divorce becomes easier and even married people often report encountering “dead bedrooms” in which one or both spouses feel no obligation to give a partner who they do not regard as sufficiently attractive access to sexual experiences. Religious belief is in constant decline, and with it declines the belief in the dignity of celibacy or the importance of anything other than hedonism (sexual or otherwise). Even fairy tales that for centuries helped us understand how to live charitably with each other are disavowed and cultural tastemakers like Time Magazine and the BBC denigrate them as sexist.
The result of these cultural changes is that the highly unequal social structures of the prehistoric savanna homo sapiens are reasserting themselves, and with them the dissatisfactions of the unattractive “sexually underprivileged” majority are coming back. It is ironic that the progressives who cheer on the decline of religion and the weakening of “outdated” institutions like monogamy are actually acting as the ultimate reactionaries, returning us to the oldest and most barbaric, unequal animal social structures that have ever existed. In this case it is the conservatives who are cheering for the progressive ideal of “sexual income redistribution” through a novel invention: monogamy."
"As Western civilization declines or at least frays at the edges, the ways our culture has developed to deal with the gap in the attractiveness distribution are receding and dying. Young people enter the equality-inducing institution of monogamy later and later or not at all, spending more time in a chaotically unequal polygynous dating world. Monogamy itself is weaker, as divorce becomes easier and even married people often report encountering “dead bedrooms” in which one or both spouses feel no obligation to give a partner who they do not regard as sufficiently attractive access to sexual experiences. Religious belief is in constant decline, and with it declines the belief in the dignity of celibacy or the importance of anything other than hedonism (sexual or otherwise). Even fairy tales that for centuries helped us understand how to live charitably with each other are disavowed and cultural tastemakers like Time Magazine and the BBC denigrate them as sexist.
The result of these cultural changes is that the highly unequal social structures of the prehistoric savanna homo sapiens are reasserting themselves, and with them the dissatisfactions of the unattractive “sexually underprivileged” majority are coming back. It is ironic that the progressives who cheer on the decline of religion and the weakening of “outdated” institutions like monogamy are actually acting as the ultimate reactionaries, returning us to the oldest and most barbaric, unequal animal social structures that have ever existed. In this case it is the conservatives who are cheering for the progressive ideal of “sexual income redistribution” through a novel invention: monogamy."
If you are a Leaver it is imo entirely plausible to say you voted to Leave and all the chaos and potential damage to the UK is fine because any version of Leave is better than any version of Remain. Included in their thought process was a range of outcomes of which our current one is one such.
The Tyndall line if I have it correctly.
What I find absolutely unbelievable is the Leavers who are amazed at the current situation and moan that it shouldn’t have been like this and this isn’t what was supposed to happen. That is naivety on a grand scale and that is putting it politely.
Like I say - that image is going to be plastered across every single Focus leaflet in the land at the next General Election.
They are a f***ing disgrace. Corbyn is the biggest liar in the history of lying toe-rag lefties
Calm down thats no way to address the next PM
If Corbyn can't be ahead in the polls for best leader now, I think Trump stands a greater chance of winning Humble Human of the Year than Corbyn stands of becoming PM. Corbyn is a cretin of monumental proportions and the electorate know it. Michael Foot, donkey jacket an all would be miles ahead of Theresa May, but Corbyn? the man is a joke.
If you are a Leaver it is imo entirely plausible to say you voted to Leave and all the chaos and potential damage to the UK is fine because any version of Leave is better than any version of Remain. Included in their thought process was a range of outcomes of which our current one is one such.
The Tyndall line if I have it correctly.
What I find absolutely unbelievable is the Leavers who are amazed at the current situation and moan that it shouldn’t have been like this and this isn’t what was supposed to happen. That is naivety on a grand scale and that is putting it politely.
I admit that I am amazed at the behaviour of people like Christopher Chope, Mark Francois, Andrea Jenkyns. I thought that they would be willing to take Yes for an answer.
Like I say - that image is going to be plastered across every single Focus leaflet in the land at the next General Election.
They are a f***ing disgrace. Corbyn is the biggest liar in the history of lying toe-rag lefties
Calm down thats no way to address the next PM
If Corbyn can't be ahead in the polls for best leader now, I think Trump stands a greater chance of winning Humble Human of the Year than Corbyn stands of becoming PM. Corbyn is a cretin of monumental proportions and the electorate know it. Michael Foot, donkey jacket an all would be miles ahead of Theresa May, but Corbyn? the man is a joke.
You are underestimating him again.
Extraordinary how many times his opponents make the same mistake
If you are a Leaver it is imo entirely plausible to say you voted to Leave and all the chaos and potential damage to the UK is fine because any version of Leave is better than any version of Remain. Included in their thought process was a range of outcomes of which our current one is one such.
The Tyndall line if I have it correctly.
What I find absolutely unbelievable is the Leavers who are amazed at the current situation and moan that it shouldn’t have been like this and this isn’t what was supposed to happen. That is naivety on a grand scale and that is putting it politely.
Im amazed at the current situation
the economy is growing, employment is at an all time high, London retains its top spot in finance, wages are increasing and the public finances are the best they have been for over decade.
we have politicians who arent fit for purpose but thats been the case for decades and Brexit is simply ome of those things which has flushed it out.
If you are a Leaver it is imo entirely plausible to say you voted to Leave and all the chaos and potential damage to the UK is fine because any version of Leave is better than any version of Remain. Included in their thought process was a range of outcomes of which our current one is one such.
The Tyndall line if I have it correctly.
What I find absolutely unbelievable is the Leavers who are amazed at the current situation and moan that it shouldn’t have been like this and this isn’t what was supposed to happen. That is naivety on a grand scale and that is putting it politely.
Sure, people shouldn’t have expected parliament to actually do what it was told by the public.
Like I say - that image is going to be plastered across every single Focus leaflet in the land at the next General Election.
They are a f***ing disgrace. Corbyn is the biggest liar in the history of lying toe-rag lefties
Calm down thats no way to address the next PM
If Corbyn can't be ahead in the polls for best leader now, I think Trump stands a greater chance of winning Humble Human of the Year than Corbyn stands of becoming PM. Corbyn is a cretin of monumental proportions and the electorate know it. Michael Foot, donkey jacket an all would be miles ahead of Theresa May, but Corbyn? the man is a joke.
You are underestimating him again.
Extraordinary how many times his opponents make the same mistake
You are deluding yourself. It is quite sweet really, that someone could be so taken in by a politician. I wish I had your sort of faith in a politician.
If you are a Leaver it is imo entirely plausible to say you voted to Leave and all the chaos and potential damage to the UK is fine because any version of Leave is better than any version of Remain. Included in their thought process was a range of outcomes of which our current one is one such.
The Tyndall line if I have it correctly.
What I find absolutely unbelievable is the Leavers who are amazed at the current situation and moan that it shouldn’t have been like this and this isn’t what was supposed to happen. That is naivety on a grand scale and that is putting it politely.
I admit that I am amazed at the behaviour of people like Christopher Chope, Mark Francois, Andrea Jenkyns. I thought that they would be willing to take Yes for an answer.
As Raphael Behr has written well, many people have refused to accept that Brexit would have to be a process, rather than a permanent "cause". Once the cause had to turned into a process by necessity, it was no longer the absolute, pure, thing and cause, leaving people either to withdraw from it, or persist with the illusion of purer moral certainty being located somewhere just over the hill.
If you are a Leaver it is imo entirely plausible to say you voted to Leave and all the chaos and potential damage to the UK is fine because any version of Leave is better than any version of Remain. Included in their thought process was a range of outcomes of which our current one is one such.
The Tyndall line if I have it correctly.
What I find absolutely unbelievable is the Leavers who are amazed at the current situation and moan that it shouldn’t have been like this and this isn’t what was supposed to happen. That is naivety on a grand scale and that is putting it politely.
Well there's plenty of PBers amazed at the behaviour of the ERG.
Perhaps those PBers who are members of the Conservative party should have warned the country that many of their MPs are nutters.
As if MPs are gonna pass up the chance to give themselves the power to shape Brexit.
I will be surprised if the answer will be yes. But I am sure all those people who claim the government must listen to parliament will listen to parliament on that, if they do want to pass on it.
Like I say - that image is going to be plastered across every single Focus leaflet in the land at the next General Election.
They are a f***ing disgrace. Corbyn is the biggest liar in the history of lying toe-rag lefties
Calm down thats no way to address the next PM
If Corbyn can't be ahead in the polls for best leader now, I think Trump stands a greater chance of winning Humble Human of the Year than Corbyn stands of becoming PM. Corbyn is a cretin of monumental proportions and the electorate know it. Michael Foot, donkey jacket an all would be miles ahead of Theresa May, but Corbyn? the man is a joke.
You are underestimating him again.
Extraordinary how many times his opponents make the same mistake
He has this quality that people forget that he is more formidable than he looks. Becoming PM is still not easy for him, but it not as far away as it might seem.
Comments
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1106243130595131392
Given the right moment it could be possible but I suspect the different factions needed cannot come together, the Tiggers have different priorities.
Once we have enacted the result of the 23/6/16 referendum there's every reason to argue for a new referendum to seek to rejoin the EU on terms which would be clearly spelled out in advance.
Marvellous!
https://twitter.com/TheScepticIsle/status/1106228189368631297
there is no such thing as no deal. there is only the choice between reaching an agreement of some form with the eu before or after the uk leaves.
Proves beyond doubt that TIG don't care that much about a second referendum though.
An interesting read IMO:
"As Western civilization declines or at least frays at the edges, the ways our culture has developed to deal with the gap in the attractiveness distribution are receding and dying. Young people enter the equality-inducing institution of monogamy later and later or not at all, spending more time in a chaotically unequal polygynous dating world. Monogamy itself is weaker, as divorce becomes easier and even married people often report encountering “dead bedrooms” in which one or both spouses feel no obligation to give a partner who they do not regard as sufficiently attractive access to sexual experiences. Religious belief is in constant decline, and with it declines the belief in the dignity of celibacy or the importance of anything other than hedonism (sexual or otherwise). Even fairy tales that for centuries helped us understand how to live charitably with each other are disavowed and cultural tastemakers like Time Magazine and the BBC denigrate them as sexist.
The result of these cultural changes is that the highly unequal social structures of the prehistoric savanna homo sapiens are reasserting themselves, and with them the dissatisfactions of the unattractive “sexually underprivileged” majority are coming back. It is ironic that the progressives who cheer on the decline of religion and the weakening of “outdated” institutions like monogamy are actually acting as the ultimate reactionaries, returning us to the oldest and most barbaric, unequal animal social structures that have ever existed. In this case it is the conservatives who are cheering for the progressive ideal of “sexual income redistribution” through a novel invention: monogamy."
https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/
Same tonight - vote against everything except ours, and if thats amended, vote against it too....
San Jose is a dive
Which is why a huge amount of utter bollocks is written about the middle class, and what it means for politics, the economy, etc.
A bad night for Remain..
Aside from the obvious public interest in an MP making millions from a firm benefiting from shorting UK assets that are damaged by Brexit, there is also the question of how much is disclosed to Somerset's investors. More to the point the ultimate beneficial owners of the investment vehicles that invest in Somerset funds are also not disclosed.
Who is JRM investing for? Why are they paying him such large returns? There are certain rumours, and if they are true then JRM is in really serious trouble.
https://twitter.com/TheScepticIsle/status/1106230240534237186
https://twitter.com/TheScepticIsle/status/1106230756395888649
https://twitter.com/TheScepticIsle/status/1106231499026825218
Should.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/books/review/michael-houellebecqs-sexual-distopia.html
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1106247491983470592
Just tuned in
The Tyndall line if I have it correctly.
What I find absolutely unbelievable is the Leavers who are amazed at the current situation and moan that it shouldn’t have been like this and this isn’t what was supposed to happen. That is naivety on a grand scale and that is putting it politely.
Extraordinary how many times his opponents make the same mistake
the economy is growing, employment is at an all time high, London retains its top spot in finance, wages are increasing and the public finances are the best they have been for over decade.
we have politicians who arent fit for purpose but thats been the case for decades and Brexit is simply ome of those things which has flushed it out.
Perhaps those PBers who are members of the Conservative party should have warned the country that many of their MPs are nutters.
I often wonder if they have any idea of what damage this is doing to them