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Given the Commons votes over the past week then there must be a chance that the UK will participate in the European Parliament elections at the end of May.

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williamglenn

https://twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1106947553294196737?s=21

kle4

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

TheScreamingEagles

Hurrah for Victor D'Hondt.

Boos for the England rugby team, they are bigger bell ends than Farage but without the casual bigotry.

Nigelb

What was the phrase from earlier in the day ?
True Git.

TheScreamingEagles

Rugby chat is banned on PB.

I'm swearing a paratrooper with Tourette's.

Ishmael_Z

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1106947553294196737?s=21

Fabulous trolling from lbd.

Pulpstar

Anyone on the Swansea-Scotland double, or backed Scotland in play today ?

TheScreamingEagles

kle4 said:

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

The EU is a beacon of democracy, unlike us, they don't appoint Parliamentarians.

TheScreamingEagles

Poor David Sole, his team has just been eclipsed.

williamglenn

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

The EU is a beacon of democracy, unlike us, they don't appoint Parliamentarians.

Interesting discussion between Jo Maugham and Martin Selmayr today:

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1106943910105006081

kle4

It's incredible how people can seem to have won and then just go completely to pieces and lose everything, becoming figures of mockery in the process.

Ishmael_Z

kle4 said:

It's incredible how people can seem to have won and then just go completely to pieces and lose everything, becoming figures of mockery in the process.

LOL

TheScreamingEagles

Thank heavens for George Ford.

MarqueeMark

Dull game, rugby.....

kle4

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

The EU is a beacon of democracy, unlike us, they don't appoint Parliamentarians.

Our appointed parliamentarians are overwhelmingly pro EU though, even more than elected ones.

HYUFD

England 38 Scotland 38 Great match and well played both sides

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/BraidenGB/status/1106991776647266304

HYUFD

UKIP will focus on anti immigration Leavers, Farage's new Brexit Party sovereignty Leavers

TheScreamingEagles

Shocking decision by Andre Marriner.

another_richard

TheScreamingEagles said:

Thank heavens for George Ford.

It was a surprise to see an England fly-half doing something other than aimless kicks and shoulder barges.

TheScreamingEagles

He must feel like a right tool now.

https://twitter.com/AndrewBowieMP/status/1106968627557924864

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1106989111397793792?s=20

Theuniondivvie

It should be pretty easy to distinguish between the parties, Batten UKIP will be the Islampophobic, xenophobic, suck up to the alt right outfit and the Farage Brexit Party will be the...oh, right.

williamglenn

It's not just UKIP Farage has to contend with but also the SDP and For Britain.

SouthamObserver

Ireland lost the Rugby, but will win Brexit next week.

Stark_Dawning

Has Theresa landed the tasty prize fish of Rees-Mogg yet?

Sunil_Prasannan

MarqueeMark said:

Dull game, rugby.....

Football should be played with the feet

MarqueeMark

On topic, where are those 6-8% for UKIP going come the GE? Most seats wont have a candidate for ANY of these various "UKIP"-type parties.

TheScreamingEagles

Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/britain-split-over-prospect-of-second-brexit-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw

MarqueeMark

Stark_Dawning said:

Has Theresa landed the tasty prize fish of Rees-Mogg yet?

He's in the keep net......

kle4

City very lucky theres no VAR.

TheScreamingEagles

May’s ratings on her handling of Brexit remain dire (-30%, when the proportion who disapprove of her handling of it – 56% – is subtracted from the proportion who approve – 26%).

But Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn fares even worse with a net rating of -46 (62% disapprove, against 16% who approve).

The poll shows that if the UK is still a member of the EU on 23 May, more British people would find voting in the European elections unacceptable (43%) than would be relaxed about the idea (38%). If the UK were to elect a new batch of MEPs, 13% say they would not vote, 19% would vote for Labour, 19% for the Tories and 11% for Ukip.

A fortnight ago May held a 15-point lead over Corbyn when voters were asked who would make the best prime minister. This has fallen slightly and is now an 11-point lead.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

The EU is a beacon of democracy, unlike us, they don't appoint Parliamentarians.

I love the dry sarcasm.

Omnium

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MarqueeMark said:

Dull game, rugby.....

Football should be played with the feet

That's a philosophy rather than a heresy if you don't suggest a spherical ball.

kle4

TheScreamingEagles said:

Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/britain-split-over-prospect-of-second-brexit-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw

So some want no deal and some a referendum. Upset both and given them the deal instead I say.

williamglenn

TheScreamingEagles said:

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

Another 56/44 poll following Kantar's.

dr_spyn

TheScreamingEagles said:

He must feel like a right tool now.

https://twitter.com/AndrewBowieMP/status/1106968627557924864

Whoever had his ticket would be a very happy man.

dr_spyn

https://twitter.com/SherpaGinseng/status/1106993995090223110 for Scottish rugby fans.

HYUFD

TheScreamingEagles said:

Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/britain-split-over-prospect-of-second-brexit-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw

So as No Deal and Remain cancel each other out both having equal levels of support and Remain also fails to get over 50% against May's Deal, some sort of Single Market and/or Customs Union soft Brexit is the least unpopular option if May's Deal fails again

Recidivist

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

The EU is a beacon of democracy, unlike us, they don't appoint Parliamentarians.

I love the dry sarcasm.

I didn't think TSE was being sarcastic. But even if he was, it is literally true. The EU doesn't appoint people to Parliament and we have a whole house full of them.

nico67

If the UK does have EU elections then Remainers need to get off their arses and vote , do everything possible to stop Farage and the rest of the hate mob from declaring victory . Because until the WAIB actually goes through it’s not a done deal .

Sean_F

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

Recidivist

nico67 said:

If the UK does have EU elections then Remainers need to get off their arses and vote , do everything possible to stop Farage and the rest of the hate mob from declaring victory . Because until the WAIB actually goes through it’s not a done deal .

Are you marching next Saturday?

ydoethur

Recidivist said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

The EU is a beacon of democracy, unlike us, they don't appoint Parliamentarians.

I love the dry sarcasm.

I didn't think TSE was being sarcastic. But even if he was, it is literally true. The EU doesn't appoint people to Parliament and we have a whole house full of them.

Hmmm. I think that is a very arguable position, TBH. (I would add not quite all of the Lords is appointed.)

Richard_Tyndall

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/britain-split-over-prospect-of-second-brexit-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw

So as No Deal and Remain cancel each other out both having equal levels of support and Remain also fails to get over 50% against May's Deal, some sort of Single Market and/or Customs Union soft Brexit is the least unpopular option if May's Deal fails again

Back to my Norway option. If people had only listened to me on 26th June 2016 we could have avoided all this hassle.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

The EU is a beacon of democracy, unlike us, they don't appoint Parliamentarians.

I love the dry sarcasm.

I didn't think TSE was being sarcastic. But even if he was, it is literally true. The EU doesn't appoint people to Parliament and we have a whole house full of them.

Hmmm. I think that is a very arguable position, TBH. (I would add not quite all of the Lords is appointed.)

Only the hereditaries are elected, by themselves.

Richard_Tyndall

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

Another 56/44 poll following Kantar's.

Only if you ignore those who want No Deal.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

The EU is a beacon of democracy, unlike us, they don't appoint Parliamentarians.

I love the dry sarcasm.

I didn't think TSE was being sarcastic. But even if he was, it is literally true. The EU doesn't appoint people to Parliament and we have a whole house full of them.

Hmmm. I think that is a very arguable position, TBH. (I would add not quite all of the Lords is appointed.)

Only the hereditaries are elected, by themselves.

And in the European Parliament, who isn't appointed by means of the infamous party list system?

kle4

Recidivist said:

another_richard said:

nico67 said:

Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .

It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .

That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .

Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?

Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?

To which the answer would be that Brexit is turning out to be way more damaging than anyone expected and simply has to be cancelled. That's why it should be revoked. No need for a new vote.

People cannot simultaneously dismiss any good or ok news because we haven't left yet and also claim the damage from Brexit has been so bad it must be cancelled. And yes, it means people cannot claim good news as being despite Brexit then dismiss bad news because Brexit hasn't happened yet.

Sean_F

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

The EU is a beacon of democracy, unlike us, they don't appoint Parliamentarians.

I love the dry sarcasm.

I didn't think TSE was being sarcastic. But even if he was, it is literally true. The EU doesn't appoint people to Parliament and we have a whole house full of them.

Hmmm. I think that is a very arguable position, TBH. (I would add not quite all of the Lords is appointed.)

People who are placed on top of party lists are elected, but by a narrow electorate of party members, rather than the electorate as a whole.

Omnium

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/britain-split-over-prospect-of-second-brexit-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw

So as No Deal and Remain cancel each other out both having equal levels of support and Remain also fails to get over 50% against May's Deal, some sort of Single Market and/or Customs Union soft Brexit is the least unpopular option if May's Deal fails again

Back to my Norway option. If people had only listened to me on 26th June 2016 we could have avoided all this hassle.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/

We would though have finished up with the Norway option. Not everyone's convinced. (Even now)

malcolmg

TheScreamingEagles said:

Rugby chat is banned on PB.

I'm swearing a paratrooper with Tourette's.

Jammy Gits

nico67

Recidivist said:

nico67 said:

If the UK does have EU elections then Remainers need to get off their arses and vote , do everything possible to stop Farage and the rest of the hate mob from declaring victory . Because until the WAIB actually goes through it’s not a done deal .

Are you marching next Saturday?

I would if I was in the UK . I’d love to go but am in France at the moment.

TheScreamingEagles

*Speechless*

https://twitter.com/FFRAFAction/status/1106967294830366722

Richard_Tyndall

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I hope the question does not arise. If we long delay just roll over our meps or something.

The EU is a beacon of democracy, unlike us, they don't appoint Parliamentarians.

I love the dry sarcasm.

I didn't think TSE was being sarcastic. But even if he was, it is literally true. The EU doesn't appoint people to Parliament and we have a whole house full of them.

Hmmm. I think that is a very arguable position, TBH. (I would add not quite all of the Lords is appointed.)

Only the hereditaries are elected, by themselves.

And in the European Parliament, who isn't appointed by means of the infamous party list system?

Moreover the EU Parliament has very little in the way of law making powers. That is all left to the Commission who are... appointed.

felix

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

Given the current political context it is quite astonishing that they're above 30%.

Sean_F

kle4 said:

Recidivist said:

another_richard said:

nico67 said:

Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .

It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .

That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .

Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?

Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?

To which the answer would be that Brexit is turning out to be way more damaging than anyone expected and simply has to be cancelled. That's why it should be revoked. No need for a new vote.

People cannot simultaneously dismiss any good or ok news because we haven't left yet and also claim the damage from Brexit has been so bad it must be cancelled. And yes, it means people cannot claim good news as being despite Brexit then dismiss bad news because Brexit hasn't happened yet.

It's also disingenuous to cause political deadlock, and then cite political deadlock as the reason to cancel a policy you don't want.

Richard_Tyndall

TheScreamingEagles said:

*Speechless*

https://twitter.com/FFRAFAction/status/1106967294830366722

Surely that is going to fall foul of some laws somewhere along the road.

williamglenn

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/britain-split-over-prospect-of-second-brexit-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw

So as No Deal and Remain cancel each other out both having equal levels of support and Remain also fails to get over 50% against May's Deal, some sort of Single Market and/or Customs Union soft Brexit is the least unpopular option if May's Deal fails again

Back to my Norway option. If people had only listened to me on 26th June 2016 we could have avoided all this hassle.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/

The fact you don’t mention the customs union or the Irish border shows how naive this idea was.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

*Speechless*

https://twitter.com/FFRAFAction/status/1106967294830366722

Please Poland, take a leaf out of Australia's book and ban him from entering.

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

*Speechless*

https://twitter.com/FFRAFAction/status/1106967294830366722

Surely that is going to fall foul of some laws somewhere along the road.

I think Poland has some Holocaust Denial laws but the rule of law is under threat there.

Theuniondivvie

TheScreamingEagles said:

*Speechless*

https://twitter.com/FFRAFAction/status/1106967294830366722

!

'This is where Jews worked a bit too hard, caught some unpleaant illnesses and weren't murdered by Nazis.'

Richard_Tyndall

williamglenn said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/britain-split-over-prospect-of-second-brexit-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw

So as No Deal and Remain cancel each other out both having equal levels of support and Remain also fails to get over 50% against May's Deal, some sort of Single Market and/or Customs Union soft Brexit is the least unpopular option if May's Deal fails again

Back to my Norway option. If people had only listened to me on 26th June 2016 we could have avoided all this hassle.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/

The fact you don’t mention the customs union or the Irish border shows how naive this idea was.

Nope. The customs union was and is a truly stupid idea. The Irish border would not have been a problem if we had dealt with everything else by choosing the EFTA route. The EU would have been more than happy with the eventual destination (as opposed to having no idea what we want at present) and both sides would have worked for a practical solution to reach a mutual goal rather than having separate goals and using the border as an excuse. .

malcolmg

Scotland retain the Calcutta Cup, after giving England a 30 point start.

ydoethur

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

*Speechless*

https://twitter.com/FFRAFAction/status/1106967294830366722

!

'This is where Jews worked a bit too hard, caught some unpleaant illnesses and weren't murdered by Nazis.'

'And look, if they worked hard enough they were set free. It says so in big letters on a sign over the gate.'

One thing that has always mystified me is that Irving wasn't prosecuted for perjury following his repeated falsification of material at his libel action. We could have locked him up for five years. The judge had him stone cold. But we didn't. Why not?

Recidivist

kle4 said:

Recidivist said:

another_richard said:

nico67 said:

Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .

It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .

That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .

Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?

Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?

To which the answer would be that Brexit is turning out to be way more damaging than anyone expected and simply has to be cancelled. That's why it should be revoked. No need for a new vote.

People cannot simultaneously dismiss any good or ok news because we haven't left yet and also claim the damage from Brexit has been so bad it must be cancelled. And yes, it means people cannot claim good news as being despite Brexit then dismiss bad news because Brexit hasn't happened yet.

But the fact is that Brexit is damaging Britain very significantly. I am seeing it with my own eyes. We need to stop it.

kle4

Recidivist said:

kle4 said:

Recidivist said:

another_richard said:

nico67 said:

Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .

It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .

That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .

Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?

Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?

To which the answer would be that Brexit is turning out to be way more damaging than anyone expected and simply has to be cancelled. That's why it should be revoked. No need for a new vote.

People cannot simultaneously dismiss any good or ok news because we haven't left yet and also claim the damage from Brexit has been so bad it must be cancelled. And yes, it means people cannot claim good news as being despite Brexit then dismiss bad news because Brexit hasn't happened yet.

But the fact is that Brexit is damaging Britain very significantly. I am seeing it with my own eyes. We need to stop it.

Thats fine. I too think remain is now our best option. I hope you are not one who dismisses any good or decent news on the basis Brexit has not happened yet then. Some want it both ways, on remain and leave sides, and they are unreasonable.

rottenborough

Sanders, Biden, Harris all neck and neck at 5.1 on BF.

Recidivist

kle4 said:

Recidivist said:

kle4 said:

Recidivist said:

another_richard said:

nico67 said:

Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .

It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .

That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .

Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?

Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?

To which the answer would be that Brexit is turning out to be way more damaging than anyone expected and simply has to be cancelled. That's why it should be revoked. No need for a new vote.

People cannot simultaneously dismiss any good or ok news because we haven't left yet and also claim the damage from Brexit has been so bad it must be cancelled. And yes, it means people cannot claim good news as being despite Brexit then dismiss bad news because Brexit hasn't happened yet.

But the fact is that Brexit is damaging Britain very significantly. I am seeing it with my own eyes. We need to stop it.

Thats fine. I too think remain is now our best option. I hope you are not one who dismisses any good or decent news on the basis Brexit has not happened yet then. Some want it both ways, on remain and leave sides, and they are unreasonable.

I don't play the statistics game. It might be a cliché, but you can prove anything with statistics.

TheScreamingEagles

Lay Geoffrey Cox as next PM/Con leader

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1106999275282665474

kle4

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lay Geoffrey Cox as next PM/Con leader

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1106999275282665474

Says something when Gove is one of the better candidates. Gove of all people.

Sean_F

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

*Speechless*

https://twitter.com/FFRAFAction/status/1106967294830366722

!

'This is where Jews worked a bit too hard, caught some unpleaant illnesses and weren't murdered by Nazis.'

He's not the only one. Neo-Nazis frequently organise such tours "to show people the fakes."

_Anazina_

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lay the Ludicrous Cox as next PM/Con leader

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1106999275282665474

Cox on blocks.

Nigelb

rottenborough said:

Sanders, Biden, Harris all neck and neck at 5.1 on BF.

We talked about that on the last thread - Alastair suggests laying all four favourites. I’m not quite so sure.

kle4

Sean_F said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

*Speechless*

https://twitter.com/FFRAFAction/status/1106967294830366722

!

'This is where Jews worked a bit too hard, caught some unpleaant illnesses and weren't murdered by Nazis.'

He's not the only one. Neo-Nazis frequently organise such tours "to show people the fakes."

Perhaps we can take them all to the moon to show them the fake moon landing site. No spacesuits provided.

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lay Geoffrey Cox as next PM/Con leader

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1106999275282665474

Somebody must be worried by him as the competiton, if they are digging for the dirt.....

rottenborough

Colorado joins the electoral college reform move:

https://www.axios.com/12-states-dc-change-electoral-college-works-850f4eb4-b320-48c9-bccd-6002afdc38db.html

rottenborough

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lay Geoffrey Cox as next PM/Con leader

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1106999275282665474

Somebody must be worried by him as the competiton, if they are digging for the dirt.....

Hmm. In the Telegraph? I wonder who the dirt digger could possibly be?

MarqueeMark

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

What will it be if
a) MV3 gets through
b) most ERG-ers come back on board, the DUP get bought off - but Labour kill Brexit?

Alistair

Absolutely gutted.

Bullshit call against Brown to give England the position to score.

SouthamObserver

Recidivist said:

kle4 said:

Recidivist said:

another_richard said:

nico67 said:

Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .

It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .

That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .

Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?

Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?

To which the answer would be that Brexit is turning out to be way more damaging than anyone expected and simply has to be cancelled. That's why it should be revoked. No need for a new vote.

People cannot simultaneously dismiss any good or ok news because we haven't left yet and also claim the damage from Brexit has been so bad it must be cancelled. And yes, it means people cannot claim good news as being despite Brexit then dismiss bad news because Brexit hasn't happened yet.

But the fact is that Brexit is damaging Britain very significantly. I am seeing it with my own eyes. We need to stop it.

It’s going to happen, but in a way that very few actually want. That was always going to be the case, of course, after Mrs May drew her red lines. The only consolation I take from it all is the forthcoming humiliation of the ERG and the DUP voting to give the Republic of Ireland precisely what it wants. Reality is catching up fast with our Buccaneers - and this is only the start.

kle4

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lay Geoffrey Cox as next PM/Con leader

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1106999275282665474

Somebody must be worried by him as the competiton, if they are digging for the dirt.....

Presence of dirt matters whatever the motivation in revealing it.

kinabalu

I cannot see us taking part in the euro elections. I think we're leaving and will have done so by the time of the Epsom Derby. If I'm right this means that for the first time in almost half a century the Derby will be run OUTSIDE the European Union. The EU will have lost the Derby. I'm not sure what to think about that.

kle4

kinabalu said:

I cannot see us taking part in the euro elections. I think we're leaving and will have done so by the time of the Epsom Derby. If I'm right this means that for the first time in almost half a century the Derby will be run OUTSIDE the European Union. The EU will have lost the Derby. I'm not sure what to think about that.

When is the Epsom Derby?

MaxPB

MarqueeMark said:

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

What will it be if
a) MV3 gets through
b) most ERG-ers come back on board, the DUP get bought off - but Labour kill Brexit?

If MV3 gets through how would Labour kill brexit?

HYUFD

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/britain-split-over-prospect-of-second-brexit-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw

So as No Deal and Remain cancel each other out both having equal levels of support and Remain also fails to get over 50% against May's Deal, some sort of Single Market and/or Customs Union soft Brexit is the least unpopular option if May's Deal fails again

Back to my Norway option. If people had only listened to me on 26th June 2016 we could have avoided all this hassle.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/

The Norway option is more palatable now because EU immigration to the UK has fallen since the Brexit vote, however as William Glenn points out it would still require a Customs Union at least for Northern Ireland to ensure the backstop until an alternative solution is found for the Irish border

Chris_A

Looks like lovely weather for the march. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

nico67

Maybe May can fire Fox and get someone more amenable to delivering the right legal advice!

As an aside it’s great fun perusing the twitter feeds of the ERG hold outs , it’s quite pathetic and tragic really . It’s like the band playing on the Titanic .

MarqueeMark

MaxPB said:

MarqueeMark said:

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

What will it be if
a) MV3 gets through
b) most ERG-ers come back on board, the DUP get bought off - but Labour kill Brexit?

If MV3 gets through how would Labour kill brexit?

They are alternative options......

another_richard

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/britain-split-over-prospect-of-second-brexit-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw

So as No Deal and Remain cancel each other out both having equal levels of support and Remain also fails to get over 50% against May's Deal, some sort of Single Market and/or Customs Union soft Brexit is the least unpopular option if May's Deal fails again

Back to my Norway option. If people had only listened to me on 26th June 2016 we could have avoided all this hassle.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/

Always interesting to read those old threads.

This tweet turned out to be none too accurate:

https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/747183600286720000

Plus this comment:

' I said this before. All the talk in my bubble of London ABers (typically in consulting, FS, or advertising) is about delaying or abandoning investments, relocations, and potential opportunities abroad. I accept we represent a tiny fraction of the population, but we drive the economy. Any rebalancing away from a services-led, London-led economy is decades away. Or perhaps not now that we've decided to go full Pol Pot. '

Its noticeable how many Pbers of that time received the red card but what happened to Speedy ?

Foxy

MarqueeMark said:

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

What will it be if
a) MV3 gets through
b) most ERG-ers come back on board, the DUP get bought off - but Labour kill Brexit?

None of those are likely.

ydoethur

nico67 said:

Maybe May can fire Fox and get someone more amenable to delivering the right legal advice!

As an aside it’s great fun perusing the twitter feeds of the ERG hold outs , it’s quite pathetic and tragic really . It’s like the band playing on the Titanic .

While I'm not disputing that firing Fox, preferably from Mr Dancer's space cannon, is an excellent idea, it's Cox that's giving the legal advice.

kle4

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

What will it be if
a) MV3 gets through
b) most ERG-ers come back on board, the DUP get bought off - but Labour kill Brexit?

None of those are likely.

Indeed. Everyone knows MV4 is where it's at.

MarqueeMark

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

What will it be if
a) MV3 gets through
b) most ERG-ers come back on board, the DUP get bought off - but Labour kill Brexit?

None of those are likely.

One of those is highly likely.

Recidivist

another_richard said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels.

If a second referendum were held with the options of accepting Theresa May’s deal or remaining in the EU on the ballot paper, 46% said they would back remain, against 36% who would vote to leave on the terms of the prime minister’s proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/britain-split-over-prospect-of-second-brexit-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw

So as No Deal and Remain cancel each other out both having equal levels of support and Remain also fails to get over 50% against May's Deal, some sort of Single Market and/or Customs Union soft Brexit is the least unpopular option if May's Deal fails again

Back to my Norway option. If people had only listened to me on 26th June 2016 we could have avoided all this hassle.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/

Always interesting to read those old threads.

This tweet turned out to be none too accurate:

https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/747183600286720000

Plus this comment:

' I said this before. All the talk in my bubble of London ABers (typically in consulting, FS, or advertising) is about delaying or abandoning investments, relocations, and potential opportunities abroad. I accept we represent a tiny fraction of the population, but we drive the economy. Any rebalancing away from a services-led, London-led economy is decades away. Or perhaps not now that we've decided to go full Pol Pot. '

Its noticeable how many Pbers of that time received the red card but what happened to Speedy ?

I don't think that tweet was too far off the mark. I am seeing a lot of stuff moving out of the UK. Just because it isn't making headlines don't think it isn't happening.

ydoethur

kle4 said:

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

What will it be if
a) MV3 gets through
b) most ERG-ers come back on board, the DUP get bought off - but Labour kill Brexit?

None of those are likely.

Indeed. Everyone knows MV4 is where it's at.

In 2069 we will be facing meaningful vote 200?

kle4

ydoethur said:

kle4 said:

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

What will it be if
a) MV3 gets through
b) most ERG-ers come back on board, the DUP get bought off - but Labour kill Brexit?

None of those are likely.

Indeed. Everyone knows MV4 is where it's at.

In 2069 we will be facing meaningful vote 200?

The revolutionary peoples committees will be running things on behalf of the politburo by then.

ydoethur

kle4 said:

ydoethur said:

kle4 said:

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

What will it be if
a) MV3 gets through
b) most ERG-ers come back on board, the DUP get bought off - but Labour kill Brexit?

None of those are likely.

Indeed. Everyone knows MV4 is where it's at.

In 2069 we will be facing meaningful vote 200?

The revolutionary peoples committees will be running things on behalf of the politburo by then.

Oh lor, cue the EUSSR jokes again.

kle4

ydoethur said:

kle4 said:

ydoethur said:

kle4 said:

Foxy said:

MarqueeMark said:

Sean_F said:

My guess is the Conservatives will be pretty happy with a lead of 38/34.

What will it be if
a) MV3 gets through
b) most ERG-ers come back on board, the DUP get bought off - but Labour kill Brexit?

None of those are likely.

Indeed. Everyone knows MV4 is where it's at.

In 2069 we will be facing meaningful vote 200?

The revolutionary peoples committees will be running things on behalf of the politburo by then.

Oh lor, cue the EUSSR jokes again.

Darn it, it was only supposed to be a comrade Corbyn joke.

Recidivist

Farage march already down to 50.

https://twitter.com/DazabDaza/status/1106927220583337984