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edited April 2019 in General

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In the first democratic primary polls carried out since last weekend when Mayor Pete enters the race formally at a big rally in his home city there’s a new national poll that has good news for him and bad news for Joe Biden, the former vice president, who has yet to declare.

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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,105
    Not first?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    edited April 2019
    Sanders also now just behind Biden 20% to 21% and ahead without Biden
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    edited April 2019
    Emerson earlier this week had Biden leading Trump 53% to 47%, Sanders leading Trump 51% to 48% and O'Rourke leading Trump 51% to 49%.

    However Trump led Buttigieg 51% to 49, Trump led Warren 52% to 48% and Harris and Trump were tied 50% to 50%

    https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/april-national-poll-bernie-takes-lead-for-democratic-nomination-mayor-pete-on-the-move
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    HYUFD said:

    Sanders also now just behind Biden 20% to 21%

    Check out the video I link to on Sanders. He's impressive
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    edited April 2019
    43% of Buttigieg supporters are Independents and only 57% registered Democrats but at least 80% of Biden and Sanders voters are registered Democrats.

    26% of Sanders voters say they would vote for Trump over Warren and 21% would vote for Trump over Buttigieg but 100% of Buttigieg supporters would vote for Sanders over Trump.

    Only 51% of Sanders voters voted for Hillary in 2016, 23% voted for a third party candidate, 19% did not vote and 7% voted for Trump
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2019/04/17/5-weird-items-in-the-new-bernie-buttigieg-poll/#31ffdac97ddd
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    edited April 2019

    HYUFD said:

    Sanders also now just behind Biden 20% to 21%

    Check out the video I link to on Sanders. He's impressive
    Yes the momentum is with Sanders and Buttigieg at the moment, Biden and Warren and Harris fading.

    Sanders going on Fox also shows he is not afraid to enter conservative territory
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949

    Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?

    Agreed. Her polling is mid-high single digits, her fundraising is good but not great. Her media coverage likewise.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926

    Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?

    One of the enduring mysterys of our time.

    Butigieg is 13.5 on the presidential market right now, which looks superior to the 6.6 available for Dem nominee.

    I think shortly we'll start to get the "Harris isn't making enough ground" articles.

    I've changed my mind on Buttigieg at 13.5 anyhow, it no longer looks too short.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,927

    Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?

    If the price seems too short it’s probably because a high profile forecaster rates her, no?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?

    If the price seems too short it’s probably because a high profile forecaster rates her, no?
    Probably. I’m very wary about taking a position against such a strong expert on his home turf. I’m probably missing something
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,995

    Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?

    Kabama is Hillary style politics in a fundamentally less repellent package so I can see the appeal to sections of the Dem establishment. Also, she will be a BAME/female voter turnout machine.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?

    I'm on Harris at 66/1 - a bet I made in January 2017. I think she'll shine on the debates.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?

    I'm on Harris at 66/1 - a bet I made in January 2017. I think she'll shine on the debates.
    66/1 is a great price. She’s now less than 5/1 and that seems far too short on any measure.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,209
    Biden-Buttigieg here we come.

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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,334
    A key factor in all less-known candidates is how they handle the first wave of negative publicity, especially in the US where it's Trump's SOP for any opponent. Biden's had his touchy-feely issues, Sanders is accused of being a dangerous socialist, Warren's had Pocahontas, and of course Trump himself has had more issues than most of us have in a whole lifetime. I'm a Buttigieg-sceptic because I think his pleasant, intelligent approach isn't enough - he doesn't IMO have the gut appeal that enables people to ride out storms (which may be a generic problem for centrists these days). But I agree it's a very good poll for him. Let's see if there are more.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Biden-Buttigieg here we come.

    Theres no chance that ticket will be mocked as Biden Buttplug
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,209
    I note that in those Fox clips, Sanders carefully says that it is not anti-semitic to criticise a right wing government in Israel. Does not use the word 'zionist'.

    A lesson for the Jezza brigade here in UK?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,209

    Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?

    I'm on Harris at 66/1 - a bet I made in January 2017. I think she'll shine on the debates.
    66/1 is a great price. She’s now less than 5/1 and that seems far too short on any measure.
    I agree. I am just green on Harris. Not planning to top up.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057

    I note that in those Fox clips, Sanders carefully says that it is not anti-semitic to criticise a right wing government in Israel. Does not use the word 'zionist'.

    A lesson for the Jezza brigade here in UK?

    Say that they are Tories?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    edited April 2019

    A key factor in all less-known candidates is how they handle the first wave of negative publicity, especially in the US where it's Trump's SOP for any opponent. Biden's had his touchy-feely issues, Sanders is accused of being a dangerous socialist, Warren's had Pocahontas, and of course Trump himself has had more issues than most of us have in a whole lifetime. I'm a Buttigieg-sceptic because I think his pleasant, intelligent approach isn't enough - he doesn't IMO have the gut appeal that enables people to ride out storms (which may be a generic problem for centrists these days). But I agree it's a very good poll for him. Let's see if there are more.

    Centrists can ride out storms but they need to be charismatic and very tough like Macron and Bill Clinton and of course Blair
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,073
    The old tunes are best tunes, especially if you've got no new tunes.

    https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1119152894328983560
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    edited April 2019
    nico67 said:

    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .

    Agreed, sad to say for now. Buttigieg would make an excellent candidate and probably President if the Democrats just needed to win New York and California and Massachusetts but unfortunately for them they need a candidate who can beat Trump in Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin too (plus he has been Mayor of a city that has voted Democrat since 1972)
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    edited April 2019

    Biden-Buttigieg here we come.

    Theres no chance that ticket will be mocked as Biden Buttplug
    Trump would certainly use that insult.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Sean_F said:

    Biden-Buttigieg here we come.

    Theres no chance that ticket will be mocked as Biden Buttplug
    Trump would certainly use that insult.
    Yes it's a lovely cheap shot, perfect for American politics
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .

    Agreed, sad to say for now. Buttigieg would make an excellent candidate and probably President if the Democrats just needed to win New York and California and Massachusetts but unfortunately for them they need a candidate who can beat Trump in Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin too (plus he has been Mayor of a city that has voted Democrat since 1972)
    I don't think a gay candidate would necessarily be defeated in the swing States of the mid-west. Certainly, in the South or the Plains, but they aren't swing States. IMHO, his moderation would make him an unappealing candidate to Democratic activists in places like California.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076

    Biden-Buttigieg here we come.

    Theres no chance that ticket will be mocked as Biden Buttplug
    Bidet & Buttplug ?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057

    The old tunes are best tunes, especially if you've got no new tunes.

    https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1119152894328983560

    After comparing the EU to the USSR, is he the Hunt who cried wolf?

    https://twitter.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1119152900691783681?s=21
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    RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788

    I note that in those Fox clips, Sanders carefully says that it is not anti-semitic to criticise a right wing government in Israel. Does not use the word 'zionist'.

    A lesson for the Jezza brigade here in UK?

    A lesson, but not one that they will learn. The worst of the Jezza brigade baulk at the thought of any compromise to their views whatsoever. For them they don't care what anyone who opposes them thinks as to them it's all a conspiracy by the mainstream media and giving an inch means they lose.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Biden-Buttigieg here we come.

    Theres no chance that ticket will be mocked as Biden Buttplug
    Bidet & Buttplug ?
    Hidin' the buttplug
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    nico67 said:

    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .

    Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .

    Agreed, sad to say for now. Buttigieg would make an excellent candidate and probably President if the Democrats just needed to win New York and California and Massachusetts but unfortunately for them they need a candidate who can beat Trump in Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin too (plus he has been Mayor of a city that has voted Democrat since 1972)
    I don't think a gay candidate would necessarily be defeated in the swing States of the mid-west. Certainly, in the South or the Plains, but they aren't swing States. IMHO, his moderation would make him an unappealing candidate to Democratic activists in places like California.
    It may not even be his homosexuality that hits him with blue collar voters in the Midwest, more his policies seem to be Hillary 2.0 and as you say that will also hit him with Democratic activists on the coasts
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    nico67 said:

    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .

    Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
    I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    nico67 said:

    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .

    Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
    I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
    Watched much evangelical TV these days? These fruitcakes really dont like bum bum
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,073
    'Ordinary decent person' doing a fecking shift here.

    https://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/1119006485495910401
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    'Ordinary decent person' doing a fecking shift here.

    https://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/1119006485495910401

    I think his 100%, deal with it comment yesterday tells us all we need to know about mr Benjamin and the rabid filth UKIP have become
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Woolie, saw the clip on the news. Seemed to me like a textbook way of ensuring any pesky floating voters look elsewhere.

    Does make me think that the Brexit Party will end up topping the poll.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,073

    nico67 said:

    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .

    Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
    I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
    For all your US statistical porn action (probably nsfw).

    https://tinyurl.com/y4lppszo
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Mr. Woolie, saw the clip on the news. Seemed to me like a textbook way of ensuring any pesky floating voters look elsewhere.

    Does make me think that the Brexit Party will end up topping the poll.

    And the tattooed gimp in civvies next to him grinning like a moron just iced the cake
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    On UKIP Batten always makes me think of a geezer holding court in the boozer attended by a couple of his 'lads'.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,334

    I note that in those Fox clips, Sanders carefully says that it is not anti-semitic to criticise a right wing government in Israel. Does not use the word 'zionist'.

    A lesson for the Jezza brigade here in UK?

    Yes. The problem is that the word is both accidentally and deliberately used by various sides to mean different things. To some it merely means that Jewish people have a right to self-determination, and despite the injustices that occurred in 1947 when Palestinians were displaced, Israelis surely have a right to live in safety 70 years later. To others it means a historic mission to occupy the Biblical area, specifically including the whole of Jerusalem and the whole of the West Bank.

    People who are hostile to zionism generally (but not always) are talking about the latter - being opposed to expansion and colonisation is not seen as being against Jewish people. People who say anti-zionism equals anti-semitism generally (but not always) are talking about the former. It's best to avoid the term because of this minefield, but one can't unsay things said in a different context 10-20 years ago. One should probably give the benefit of any doubt to anyone who used to say they were anti-zionist, but nowadays it's unwise, and if repeatedly used without explanation it's something to challenge.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    The old tunes are best tunes, especially if you've got no new tunes.

    https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1119152894328983560

    After comparing the EU to the USSR, is he the Hunt who cried wolf?

    https://twitter.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1119152900691783681?s=21
    What a statesmanlike pose for camera, the true heir to CameraOn.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836

    nico67 said:

    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .

    Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
    They justify it by comparing Trump to Cyrus, Xerxes, or Julius Caesar, pagans who favoured the Jews.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    isam said:
    I thought they were shutting Heathrow today? They must be too busy protesting clean public transport
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,605

    nico67 said:

    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .

    Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
    I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
    Watched much evangelical TV these days? These fruitcakes really dont like bum bum
    Yeah, but they are solidly Republican anyway. Not that they are any keener on Jews or Hindus either. They don't mind fornicating adulterers as long as they are Republican.

    Mayor Pete is gay, but the sort of gay that is sufficiently low key to not frighten the horses, and also a middle American boy next door and military vet. I think we may be surprised how unbothered swing state voters are by his gayness.

    I think his biggest issue is lack of experience, but he clearly has the big mo behind him.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    So much for only remaining in the EU will preserve the peace in NI.

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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,605
    Jonathan said:

    The old tunes are best tunes, especially if you've got no new tunes.

    https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1119152894328983560

    After comparing the EU to the USSR, is he the Hunt who cried wolf?

    https://twitter.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1119152900691783681?s=21
    What a statesmanlike pose for camera, the true heir to CameraOn.
    Hunt is right to dodge the Brexit issue. The Hard-on Brexit favoured by Conservative activists is of similar economiclly damaging. Pitching for the sane wing of the Conservatives is his best strategy. The nuttier end of the spectrum cannot be out nuttered.
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    IcarusIcarus Posts: 898
    Reports, completely unverifiable, that Conservative postal vote has collapsed. Icarus is standing in Misterton ward for Harborough council. Conservatives proposing 2,750 new homes on farmland in the ward - not very popular!
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    Icarus said:

    Reports, completely unverifiable, that Conservative postal vote has collapsed. Icarus is standing in Misterton ward for Harborough council. Conservatives proposing 2,750 new homes on farmland in the ward - not very popular!

    It never is, except people then complain that housing is unaffordable.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,209
    Foxy said:

    Jonathan said:

    The old tunes are best tunes, especially if you've got no new tunes.

    https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1119152894328983560

    After comparing the EU to the USSR, is he the Hunt who cried wolf?

    https://twitter.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1119152900691783681?s=21
    What a statesmanlike pose for camera, the true heir to CameraOn.
    Hunt is right to dodge the Brexit issue. The Hard-on Brexit favoured by Conservative activists is of similar economiclly damaging. Pitching for the sane wing of the Conservatives is his best strategy. The nuttier end of the spectrum cannot be out nuttered.
    Good article, well worth a read. The contrast with Boris in the FO is stark.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,609

    The old tunes are best tunes, especially if you've got no new tunes.

    https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1119152894328983560

    After comparing the EU to the USSR, is he the Hunt who cried wolf?

    https://twitter.com/jeremy_hunt/status/1119152900691783681?s=21
    Hunt living up to his typo.

    He really wants it, doesn't he? And he'll espouse any view he thinks will help him get it.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,605
    Icarus said:

    Reports, completely unverifiable, that Conservative postal vote has collapsed. Icarus is standing in Misterton ward for Harborough council. Conservatives proposing 2,750 new homes on farmland in the ward - not very popular!

    Not too far from me, which party are you standing for?
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    IcarusIcarus Posts: 898
    Lib Dem of course.
    Foxy said:

    Icarus said:

    Reports, completely unverifiable, that Conservative postal vote has collapsed. Icarus is standing in Misterton ward for Harborough council. Conservatives proposing 2,750 new homes on farmland in the ward - not very popular!

    Not too far from me, which party are you standing for?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,605
    Icarus said:

    Lib Dem of course.

    Foxy said:

    Icarus said:

    Reports, completely unverifiable, that Conservative postal vote has collapsed. Icarus is standing in Misterton ward for Harborough council. Conservatives proposing 2,750 new homes on farmland in the ward - not very popular!

    Not too far from me, which party are you standing for?
    I think we are going to have some gains locally. Best wishes :)
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,931
    Terrifying article. Rings horribly true.

    https://twitter.com/Freedland/status/1119174786633039872
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    IcarusIcarus Posts: 898
    But Lutterworth East is next to the M1 with all the noise and pollution blown by the prevailing West wind. Will be separated from Lutterworth by said M1. Really only reason is that Leicestershire owns the land.
    Sean_F said:

    Icarus said:

    Reports, completely unverifiable, that Conservative postal vote has collapsed. Icarus is standing in Misterton ward for Harborough council. Conservatives proposing 2,750 new homes on farmland in the ward - not very popular!

    It never is, except people then complain that housing is unaffordable.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,779
    tlg86 said:
    If only Crossrail had employed her - holes that dig themselves.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    nico67 said:

    A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .

    A black man with the middle name "Hussein" winning the key swing states just 7 years after 9/11?

    Lol, never ever gonna happen!
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    It is a bit surprising to me the top 4 are all white men in a party that cares a lot about identity (with Mayor Pete providing the only diversity) but then again it brings home that even in the Dem Primary by far the largest voting bloc is whites without a college degree.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,150

    Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?

    She looks good on his spreadsheets - you tot up all the different demographics and tick black and female boxes, then add that she's basically competent and presentable and acceptable to the establishment.

    I just don't think she has the sizzle.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,073
    nunuone said:

    It is a bit surprising to me the top 4 are all white men in a party that cares a lot about identity (with Mayor Pete providing the only diversity) but then again it brings home that even in the Dem Primary by far the largest voting bloc is whites without a college degree.

    Sanders is Jewish isn't he? I'd love to think that's an identity completely unworthy of note in the US (or anywhere else), but..
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,203
    tlg86 said:
    Doesn't "the plane would have anyway flown without me" excuse also apply to all those other people flying for work or to go on holiday with their families? The carbon effect is the same even if the reason for the flight is different. So if you're trying to reduce your carbon effect you limit your flights and that applies just as much to Emma T as anyone else.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138

    nunuone said:

    It is a bit surprising to me the top 4 are all white men in a party that cares a lot about identity (with Mayor Pete providing the only diversity) but then again it brings home that even in the Dem Primary by far the largest voting bloc is whites without a college degree.

    Sanders is Jewish isn't he? I'd love to think that's an identity completely unworthy of note in the US (or anywhere else), but..
    It is definitely worthy of note. And he has the most old school Jewish newyorker accent.

    But many in the American left seem to conflate the two because they don't just look at phenotypes and ancestry but also if there has been systematic oppression of a certain group within the USA to the extent it justifies it's own classification.

    So Kamala Harris is simply called black instead of half Indian half black because that's how she chooses to identify and because there has been in the past a "one drop rule".

    So the way we would characterize race is very different from Americans.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:
    Doesn't "the plane would have anyway flown without me" excuse also apply to all those other people flying for work or to go on holiday with their families? The carbon effect is the same even if the reason for the flight is different. So if you're trying to reduce your carbon effect you limit your flights and that applies just as much to Emma T as anyone else.
    Basically the argument is, if someone else is benefiting from energy consumption, you get a free pass. I don't see any problem with this logic...
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,203
    tlg86 said:
    It would be unkind, I suppose, to ask whether that BSc Honours degree included the difference between "your" and "you're".

    Yes, it would - but there again if you want to boast about your education best not to make such basic mistakes.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,150
    nunuone said:

    It is a bit surprising to me the top 4 are all white men in a party that cares a lot about identity (with Mayor Pete providing the only diversity) but then again it brings home that even in the Dem Primary by far the largest voting bloc is whites without a college degree.

    The solution to the conundrum is that the thing about the Democrats being obsessed with identity politics is a load of bollocks. I mean, there are women who would like to see a woman president, and black voters went overwhelmingly for Obama, but Obama was both black and extremely talented: Previous black candidates didn't get anything like the same support.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    isam said:
    That is unbelievable .... what a ....... stupid person.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Floater said:

    isam said:
    That is unbelievable .... what a ....... stupid person.
    Something similar happened with Mesut Ozil and another player who had the same management company.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,334
    tlg86 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:
    Doesn't "the plane would have anyway flown without me" excuse also apply to all those other people flying for work or to go on holiday with their families? The carbon effect is the same even if the reason for the flight is different. So if you're trying to reduce your carbon effect you limit your flights and that applies just as much to Emma T as anyone else.
    Basically the argument is, if someone else is benefiting from energy consumption, you get a free pass. I don't see any problem with this logic...
    If you fly a lot the airlines will put on more flights and vice versa, so the macro effect is there even though that particular plane would have flown anyway.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    edited April 2019
    tlg86 said:

    Floater said:

    isam said:
    That is unbelievable .... what a ....... stupid person.
    Something similar happened with Mesut Ozil and another player who had the same management company.
    That’s a perennial hazard for anyone who does social media marketing, and the tools available don’t always make it easy to see which account is logged in.

    Look how often some drunk political staffer has inadvertently put something on Twitter from their MP or party account, when it clearly should have come from their own personal account.

    It used to be that these mistakes could be quickly rectified, but nowadays there’s journalists and opponents following everyone religiously, so there will be a hundred screenshots of the mistake out there within minutes.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    tlg86 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:
    Doesn't "the plane would have anyway flown without me" excuse also apply to all those other people flying for work or to go on holiday with their families? The carbon effect is the same even if the reason for the flight is different. So if you're trying to reduce your carbon effect you limit your flights and that applies just as much to Emma T as anyone else.
    Basically the argument is, if someone else is benefiting from energy consumption, you get a free pass. I don't see any problem with this logic...
    If you fly a lot the airlines will put on more flights and vice versa, so the macro effect is there even though that particular plane would have flown anyway.
    Indeed, that someone with a BSc can't comprehend something that simple doesn't say much for further education.

    I these protests might actually do more harm than good. Certainly Thompson flying in from the States will have thoroughly annoyed many people and will reduce the guilt factor for those jetting of to the Costas for their summer holidays.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,225
    tlg86 said:

    Floater said:

    isam said:
    That is unbelievable .... what a ....... stupid person.
    Something similar happened with Mesut Ozil and another player who had the same management company.
    And Grant Shapps.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,225
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:
    Doesn't "the plane would have anyway flown without me" excuse also apply to all those other people flying for work or to go on holiday with their families? The carbon effect is the same even if the reason for the flight is different. So if you're trying to reduce your carbon effect you limit your flights and that applies just as much to Emma T as anyone else.
    Basically the argument is, if someone else is benefiting from energy consumption, you get a free pass. I don't see any problem with this logic...
    If you fly a lot the airlines will put on more flights and vice versa, so the macro effect is there even though that particular plane would have flown anyway.
    Indeed, that someone with a BSc can't comprehend something that simple doesn't say much for further education.
    A BSc is Higher Education... :smile:

    It's also meaningless without knowing class of honours and awarding body.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Biden-Buttigieg here we come.

    Theres no chance that ticket will be mocked as Biden Buttplug
    Trump’s insults are usually crushing because they pick out a weakness of the candidate and amplify it (Lying Ted, Little Mario, Pochahontos etc).

    “Buttplug” would just be crass and insulting and I don’t think it would stick / be effective as a name
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Charles said:

    Biden-Buttigieg here we come.

    Theres no chance that ticket will be mocked as Biden Buttplug
    Trump’s insults are usually crushing because they pick out a weakness of the candidate and amplify it (Lying Ted, Little Mario, Pochahontos etc).

    “Buttplug” would just be crass and insulting and I don’t think it would stick / be effective as a name
    While it’s not one of the Seven Dirty Words, I can’t see the US networks allowing “buttplug” out on air, except maybe in the late night chat shows.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Seeing the thing about right on celebs flying 1000s of miles to attend a protest. I had to chuckle that the Daily Rant did some digging and found that one of the leader of the eco-fascists drives a diesel and their excuse was they couldn't afford an electric....

    Perhaps if they didn't spend days lying down in a road they might to able to? And if they get their way, we will face massive increases in taxes, so even less people will be able to afford such things.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:
    It would be unkind, I suppose, to ask whether that BSc Honours degree included the difference between "your" and "you're".

    Yes, it would - but there again if you want to boast about your education best not to make such basic mistakes.
    https://twitter.com/tescgreen/status/1119153355454943232
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    isamisam Posts: 40,927
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    Floater said:

    isam said:
    That is unbelievable .... what a ....... stupid person.
    Something similar happened with Mesut Ozil and another player who had the same management company.
    That’s a perennial hazard for anyone who does social media marketing, and the tools available don’t always make it easy to see which account is logged in.

    Look how often some drunk political staffer has inadvertently put something on Twitter from their MP or party account, when it clearly should have come from their own personal account.

    It used to be that these mistakes could be quickly rectified, but nowadays there’s journalists and opponents following everyone religiously, so there will be a hundred screenshots of the mistake out there within minutes.
    Is the bloke who used to do his voice on the BBC in the 80s writing his tweets now?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057
    Charles said:

    Biden-Buttigieg here we come.

    Theres no chance that ticket will be mocked as Biden Buttplug
    Trump’s insults are usually crushing because they pick out a weakness of the candidate and amplify it (Lying Ted, Little Mario, Pochahontos etc).

    “Buttplug” would just be crass and insulting and I don’t think it would stick / be effective as a name
    Precocious Pete?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,931
    Emma Thompson deserves all the stick she's getting. She's no better than the Brexit backers who live on the Costas and in French mansions, and the Tories who hang out with white supremacists while condemning Jeremy Corbyn for anti-Semitism.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    If we’re going to avoid the worst consequences of climate change, we’ll need an energy revolution. Specifically, we need to replace our dirty, fossil fuel-based grids and dirty, fossil fuel-powered vehicles with clean, carbon-free grids, and electric vehicles that charge off them. But there’s a big problem.

    Making that future a reality will, among other things, require a lot of batteries: batteries to charge our electric cars; batteries to store solar power collected while the sun’s up and wind power harnessed when it’s gusty out. And as a new report by researchers at the University of Technology Sydney warns, that’s likely to drive demand for the metals used to build green batteries—as well as wind turbines and solar panels—through the roof.

    In other words the clean tech boom is, at least in the short term, likely to fuel a mining boom.

    https://earther.gizmodo.com/the-dirty-truth-about-green-batteries-1833922990
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    Talking about a social media faux pas

    https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1119200562858418178?s=21
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    isamisam Posts: 40,927

    Emma Thompson deserves all the stick she's getting. She's no better than the Brexit backers who live on the Costas and in French mansions, and the Tories who hang out with white supremacists while condemning Jeremy Corbyn for anti-Semitism.

    Or the centrists who moderately bomb the Middle East
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,715

    Seeing the thing about right on celebs flying 1000s of miles to attend a protest. I had to chuckle that the Daily Rant did some digging and found that one of the leader of the eco-fascists drives a diesel and their excuse was they couldn't afford an electric....

    Perhaps if they didn't spend days lying down in a road they might to able to? And if they get their way, we will face massive increases in taxes, so even less people will be able to afford such things.

    You're denigrating this guy because of what he drives, in effect saying that he is not allowed to have 'eco' opinions because he drives a diesel. You're forgetting that we were told by the government that diesels were better for the environment because they emit less CO2.
    It's perfectly true that electric cars are expensive at the moment.
    In any case this sort of argument is spurious because only governments can make the changes necessary to combat the worst effects of Climate Change and to put in place the tax laws and incentives that will help the rest of us fight climate change in our individual ways.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896

    If we’re going to avoid the worst consequences of climate change, we’ll need an energy revolution. Specifically, we need to replace our dirty, fossil fuel-based grids and dirty, fossil fuel-powered vehicles with clean, carbon-free grids, and electric vehicles that charge off them. But there’s a big problem.

    Making that future a reality will, among other things, require a lot of batteries: batteries to charge our electric cars; batteries to store solar power collected while the sun’s up and wind power harnessed when it’s gusty out. And as a new report by researchers at the University of Technology Sydney warns, that’s likely to drive demand for the metals used to build green batteries—as well as wind turbines and solar panels—through the roof.

    In other words the clean tech boom is, at least in the short term, likely to fuel a mining boom.

    https://earther.gizmodo.com/the-dirty-truth-about-green-batteries-1833922990

    Not to mention the massive increase in electricity generation that will be required if we are to keep those electric cars charged up - even on dark and still winter’s days weeks. It’s not happening without either nuclear or fossil fuel power stations.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,931
    isam said:

    Emma Thompson deserves all the stick she's getting. She's no better than the Brexit backers who live on the Costas and in French mansions, and the Tories who hang out with white supremacists while condemning Jeremy Corbyn for anti-Semitism.

    Or the centrists who moderately bomb the Middle East

    Not sure how many centrists do that. But if they say they are opposed to it but then do it clearly they deserve stick.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
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    Seeing the thing about right on celebs flying 1000s of miles to attend a protest. I had to chuckle that the Daily Rant did some digging and found that one of the leader of the eco-fascists drives a diesel and their excuse was they couldn't afford an electric....

    Perhaps if they didn't spend days lying down in a road they might to able to? And if they get their way, we will face massive increases in taxes, so even less people will be able to afford such things.

    You're denigrating this guy because of what he drives, in effect saying that he is not allowed to have 'eco' opinions because he drives a diesel. You're forgetting that we were told by the government that diesels were better for the environment because they emit less CO2.
    It's perfectly true that electric cars are expensive at the moment.
    In any case this sort of argument is spurious because only governments can make the changes necessary to combat the worst effects of Climate Change and to put in place the tax laws and incentives that will help the rest of us fight climate change in our individual ways.
    It is they hypocrisy of those trying to force us all to change to meet their agenda via illegal protests including property destruction and disruption of those simply trying to go about their daily lives.

    The least they can do is live by their own rules.
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