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Well this is all going a bit East Germany ca 1953 … Labour expels Alastair Campbell from party https://t.co/q35cU1ysVr
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https://twitter.com/SKinnock/status/1132980977305829377?s=20
https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/1133251637269749761?s=20
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1133343263535095808?s=20
Poor old Jeremy (happy birthday to him btw) just can't for the life of him understand why Labour members, Labour members should want to act in the interests of the country as they see it rather than just work to elect a Labour government.
First they came for the Jews, and I did nothing,
Then they came for the former press officers and I did nothing
etc etc
> If people publicly back another party I'm not sure what a party is supposed to do other than expel - dissent is one thing but open rebellion?
Sure, but why is it so hard to expel anti-semites?
If people publicly back another party I'm not sure what a party is supposed to do other than expel - dissent is one thing but open rebellion? I passed that point a long time ago. If she means what she says she would have made the difficult choice of approving a sub optimal deal. But just moaning about a ref is pointless.
Jesus, has politics come to this?
Yes.
Very dangerous for Corbyn's Labour, that.
> Bad Al is not one of the good guys, even if Corbyn were the vilest of anti semites
Disagree. He's a Burnley fan
> > @kle4 said:
> > If people publicly back another party I'm not sure what a party is supposed to do other than expel - dissent is one thing but open rebellion?
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> Sure, but why is it so hard to expel anti-semites?
Re Campbell (not the anti-semites), a party has to be realistic as well as follow the rules. If you drop from 40% to 14% in 2 years, the right response is not to punish the 65% of voters who switched but the people in charge of strategy over that period.
> This should tell moderate Lab MPs what they already know.
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> First they came for the Jews, and I did nothing,
> Then they came for the former press officers and I did nothing
> etc etc
Just like the good old days when Blair and Campbell were in charge then?
We only got involved in a war then on false pretences in which tens of thousands of men, women and children died...
> Gah, new threads.
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> If people publicly back another party I'm not sure what a party is supposed to do other than expel - dissent is one thing but open rebellion? Lisa Nandy and the rest of the Labour MPs against a second vote are seriously beginning to get on my nerves now .
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> What do they propose is the way out now.
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> She expects Labour to ignore 80% of its members , and now 70% of its voters to keep her happy .
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> Labour have to come off the fence and make a choice .
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> I passed that point a long time ago. If she means what she says she would have made the difficult choice of approving a sub optimal deal. But just moaning about a ref is pointless.
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> Jesus, has politics come to this?
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> Yes.
https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1133295790120734721?s=20
> https://twitter.com/HuffPostUK/status/1133344346810527744
I was beginning to worry that it was going to be a walkover.
The LibDems really have chosen a damned silly time to have a leadership contest, especially one which looks likely to produce a very lightweight leader at a time when they really need to get serious again.
> https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1133347374800211968
Will he also be sent to a re-education camp?
> https://twitter.com/HuffPostUK/status/1133344346810527744
Cleverly an outside bet I know a lot of members who would vote for him and he is telegenic and he was a Leaver. If not next Party chairman
> > @kle4 said:
> > If people publicly back another party I'm not sure what a party is supposed to do other than expel - dissent is one thing but open rebellion?
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> Sure, but why is it so hard to expel anti-semites?
Because it's Party Before Country. It's the same in the Tories. Rampant Islamophobics, Hezza suspended. A plague on both their houses.
> https://twitter.com/HuffPostUK/status/1133344346810527744
Good. I want to hear what he has to offer. But I'm much more likely to vote for him than Gove.
The latest Newspeak to re-frame the discourse, and cast the blame on dastardly foreigners?
https://twitter.com/jonwalker121/status/1133348963762020352
I like this fellow, him or Gove would be fine
> Malthouse on the radio talking about what will happen if "the EU chooses No Deal." He mentioned it about a dozen times. Apparently, this is the case if they don't hand us exactly what we demand on a plate.
> The latest Newspeak to re-frame the discourse, and cast the blame on dastardly foreigners?
The EU negotiated a deal, based on our (or rather, May's) red lines.
It's still open to acceptance.
As is the option to revoke.
No deal would be our choice.
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/HuffPostUK/status/1133344346810527744
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> Cleverly an outside bet I know a lot of members who would vote for him and he is telegenic and he was a Leaver. If not next Party chairman
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Heard Malthouse on the news and thought he could be a runner if he can get through early rounds? Do any of the party object to him? Having the Malthouse compromise named after him should make him stand out amongst the anonymous MPs - realistically how many of the members know much about Hancock, Stewart, McVey, Cleveley, Harper, Brady, Malthouse et al? He can build a plausible story about delivering Brexit around that.
Re party chairman, it seems like a rubbish role to park people who are not very good but likely to hang around? If not in government, head of a select committee seems more powerful and interesting.
> FPT, but perhaps more relevant to this one:
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> The LibDems really have chosen a damned silly time to have a leadership contest, especially one which looks likely to produce a very lightweight leader at a time when they really need to get serious again.
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Choice isn't really the right word though, is it ?
Unless you're suggesting that Great Uncle Vince could carry on with his gradual disappearing act for a bit.
> Poor Bad Al. Bleating and crying because he gets booted out of Labour for voting for another party. What would he be like if he was getting hounded for disagreeing with a dodgy dossier?
This topic shows why this is so ill-advised for Labour. He's going to be identified as a "Remainer", from a "Blairite".
> So entryists who until a couple of years ago were doing everything possible to destroy the Labour Party while supporting various far-left nutjob organisations have decided to expel someone who has given 100% for the Labour Party.
Apart from his vote.
> CUK leadership crisis
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> https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/1133251637269749761?s=20
I'd always side with lovely Heidi rather than gin-soaked Soubry!
> https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/1133350754113269760
Indeed. Instead they should focus their attacks on Paul Mason and Alasdair Campbell. That's how we win.
> He knew what he was doing and he courted this response. I expect he is quietly satisfied.
An astute point. Bad Al doesn't do anything without knowing the outcome of his actions.
> FPT, but perhaps more relevant to this one:
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> The LibDems really have chosen a damned silly time to have a leadership contest, especially one which looks likely to produce a very lightweight leader at a time when they really need to get serious again.
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It's only silly because they don't have two good candidates to fight a contest to replace Cable. If they did then the timing would look good, benefiting from the extra media exposure their recent success will bring to make a positive handover from Cable to a new generation.
Very, very stupid.
> So entryists who until a couple of years ago were doing everything possible to destroy the Labour Party while supporting various far-left nutjob organisations have decided to expel someone who has given 100% for the Labour Party.
Corbyn is the lead cancer cell of the cancer which is consuming the Labour Party
> This will start to detoxify politicians of Blair's generation in the eyes of younger pro-European Momentum activists, rather than start to remove them.
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> Very, very stupid.
Campbell is beyond redemption. He's going to hell with Blair.
> > @SandyRentool said:
> > So entryists who until a couple of years ago were doing everything possible to destroy the Labour Party while supporting various far-left nutjob organisations have decided to expel someone who has given 100% for the Labour Party.
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> Apart from his vote.
Well possibly. Or rather Al, and the countless others who lent their votes to other parties on Thursday (from both the red and blue teams), were doing so to get their party to see sense and adopt a better policy position. In the case of Labour this might actually be happening.
When Labour got fewer votes in Richmond than there are party members was there an investigation to find and purge the guilty? No. Party members vote for another party for a whole host of reasons - tactical, to send a message in a 'free hit' election, vote swap, etc. There are plenty of PBers who have voted for another party over the years; I'm not aware of any of us being expelled from our parties.
> > @SandyRentool said:
> > So entryists who until a couple of years ago were doing everything possible to destroy the Labour Party while supporting various far-left nutjob organisations have decided to expel someone who has given 100% for the Labour Party.
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> Corbyn is the lead cancer cell of the cancer which is consuming the Labour Party
I wouldn't go that far. Corbyn revived the party's results in 2017, despite his mistakes. Its biggest enemy is a combination of Brexit and sectarianism, I think.
https://twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1131849752230940673?s=21
> > @SandyRentool said:
> > So entryists who until a couple of years ago were doing everything possible to destroy the Labour Party while supporting various far-left nutjob organisations have decided to expel someone who has given 100% for the Labour Party.
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> Apart from his vote.
I understand there is a dossier of his misdeeds and it was imperative to expel him within a period of 45 minutes...
> Theresa May does Radiohead.
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> twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1131849752230940673?s=21
Not one of their best.
(I agree incidentally, he must have been expecting this.)
> Sorry for Campbell. There must be thousands of Tory members who voted Brexit on Thursday as well as Labour members voting Green or Lib Dem. Campbell's crime was to admit it on tv. Good job we have a secret ballot for the rest of us.
I think it is actually quite common for members to vote for another party. I’ve done it myself.
> > @RochdalePioneers said:
> > > @SandyRentool said:
> > > So entryists who until a couple of years ago were doing everything possible to destroy the Labour Party while supporting various far-left nutjob organisations have decided to expel someone who has given 100% for the Labour Party.
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> > Corbyn is the lead cancer cell of the cancer which is consuming the Labour Party
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> I wouldn't go that far. Corbyn revived the party's results in 2017, despite his mistakes. Its biggest enemy is a combination of Brexit and sectarianism, I think.
It was May and Brexit who revived the Labour vote in 2017 not Corbyn.
They're on the road to ruin. As are the tories.
Which leaves a huge gaping chasm in the centre ground, right there for the taking.
https://brexitcentral.com/if-the-brexit-party-wants-further-triumphs-nigel-farage-should-drop-its-shrink-the-state-philosophy/
Lloyd George, no doubt
When his life ebbs out
Will ride in a flaming chariot;
Seated in state
On a read hot plate
'Twixt Satan and Judas Iscariot.
Ananias that day
To the Devil will say,
'My claim for precedence fails.
Move me up higher
Away from the fire,
And make way for that liar - from Wales!'
Unfortunately though 'bad Al' works as a substitute for the first two words, I'm struggling to find a decent rhyme for the last one to match Campbell. Any suggestions?
> https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1133353345253560320
Fair and Balanced.
> > @WhisperingOracle said:
> > > @RochdalePioneers said:
> > > > @SandyRentool said:
> > > > So entryists who until a couple of years ago were doing everything possible to destroy the Labour Party while supporting various far-left nutjob organisations have decided to expel someone who has given 100% for the Labour Party.
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> > > Corbyn is the lead cancer cell of the cancer which is consuming the Labour Party
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> > I wouldn't go that far. Corbyn revived the party's results in 2017, despite his mistakes. Its biggest enemy is a combination of Brexit and sectarianism, I think.
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> It was May and Brexit who revived the Labour vote in 2017 not Corbyn.
Not only. Corbyn's platform clearly resonated with a whole chunk of C2DE voters, against all the expectations of the London media.
> > @Anorak said:
> > https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1133353345253560320
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> Fair and Balanced.
Still not entirely misplaced!
BTW I voted for them several times between 2001 and 2008.
Which might help Corbyn retain the youth wing
> > @noneoftheabove said:
> > > @WhisperingOracle said:
> > > > @RochdalePioneers said:
> > > > > @SandyRentool said:
> > > > > So entryists who until a couple of years ago were doing everything possible to destroy the Labour Party while supporting various far-left nutjob organisations have decided to expel someone who has given 100% for the Labour Party.
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> > > > Corbyn is the lead cancer cell of the cancer which is consuming the Labour Party
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> > > I wouldn't go that far. Corbyn revived the party's results in 2017, despite his mistakes. Its biggest enemy is a combination of Brexit and sectarianism, I think.
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> > It was May and Brexit who revived the Labour vote in 2017 not Corbyn.
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> Not only. Corbyn's platform clearly resonated with a whole chunk of C2DE voters, against all the expectations of the London media.
Yup - since previous leaders lost General elections Corbyn has lost one GE, a European election and at least 2 sets of local elections, precipitated numerous defections from the party and created a storm over anti-semitism entirely because of his own duplicitous role in it. Awesome! Oh Jeremy Corbyn.
> Bad Al doesn't do anything without knowing the outcome of his actions.
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> He knew the consequences of the Iraq War?
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> (I agree incidentally, he must have been expecting this.)
Even he is not quite that bad.
> > @WhisperingOracle said:
> > > @noneoftheabove said:
> > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
> > > > > @RochdalePioneers said:
> > > > > > @SandyRentool said:
> > > > > > So entryists who until a couple of years ago were doing everything possible to destroy the Labour Party while supporting various far-left nutjob organisations have decided to expel someone who has given 100% for the Labour Party.
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> > > > > Corbyn is the lead cancer cell of the cancer which is consuming the Labour Party
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> > > > I wouldn't go that far. Corbyn revived the party's results in 2017, despite his mistakes. Its biggest enemy is a combination of Brexit and sectarianism, I think.
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> > > It was May and Brexit who revived the Labour vote in 2017 not Corbyn.
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> > Not only. Corbyn's platform clearly resonated with a whole chunk of C2DE voters, against all the expectations of the London media.
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> Yup - since previous leaders lost General elections Corbyn has lost one GE, a European election and at least 2 sets of local elections, precipitated numerous defections from the party and created a storm over anti-semitism entirely because of his own duplicitous role in it. Awesome! Oh Jeremy Corbyn.
I'm not commenting one way or the other on his internal errors ; but it's difficult to argue that Corbyn didn't raise Labour's vote share and poll ratings before the Brexit iceberg hit.
He's apparently worked the amazing miracle of making Watson feel shame.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > CUK leadership crisis
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> > https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/1133251637269749761?s=20
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> I'd always side with lovely Heidi rather than gin-soaked Soubry!
Anna for her many negatives was always a Tory - Heidi never really was.
His interview with Matt Forde is interesting
https://player.fm/series/the-political-party/show-85-patrick-oflynn
> The thing is, Labour's position on Brexit was incomprehensible. Campbell just voiced what many Labour supporters thought and did.
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> They're on the road to ruin. As are the tories.
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> Which leaves a huge gaping chasm in the centre ground, right there for the taking.
The SNP’s already there.
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> > > > So entryists who until a couple of years ago were doing everything possible to destroy the Labour Party while supporting various far-left nutjob organisations have decided to expel someone who has given 100% for the Labour Party.
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> > I wouldn't go that far. Corbyn revived the party's results in 2017, despite his mistakes. Its biggest enemy is a combination of Brexit and sectarianism, I think.
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> It was May and Brexit who revived the Labour vote in 2017 not Corbyn.
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> More people voted for May than wot voted for Cameron in 2015 and 2010.
You can be popular and unpopular at the same time, see Trump.
The 2017 election switchers were largely signalling their preference for a soft/hard Brexit, but as the country was divided just got a gridlock non Brexit.
> It's rather amusing that Campbell, one of the chief architects of the Iraq War, is finally booted out of Labour for voting for the Liberal Democrats.
I thought he was a press officer , not commander in chief.
Main architetect, you do spout some crap.
The returning officer finally decided after sleeping on it to distribute the lower preferences of the fifth place Sinn Fein candidate and the independents 4 change candidate has won the third seat after the fifteenth count. Fianna Fail aren't happy as their guy - now in the 4th place spot - will have to now wait for Brexit to take his seat as an MEP.
Seems the returning officer agreed with the elections ministers advice from early this morning - which he later changed. And this may go to court - unless Brexit happens and makes it academic!
https://www.rte.ie/news/elections-2019/2019/0528/1052105-local-eu-elections/
Contemplate that for a moment before wishing him ill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8VFb2wxolM
> > @ydoethur said:
> > It's rather amusing that Campbell, one of the chief architects of the Iraq War, is finally booted out of Labour for voting for the Liberal Democrats.
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> I thought he was a press officer , not commander in chief.
> Main architetect, you do spout some crap.
Campbell had far more power in New Labour than almost anyone.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/mar/12/malcolm-tucker-election-briefing
Mind you, his remarks about chicken entrails vs polls seems positively prescient.