Between that and Javid lying through his teeth on Sophy, the clown said Ruth was an election winner despite the fact the Tories have been also rans forever. These people are not right in the tattie. PS: Nicholson is a right tool, been wittering on about SNP failing broadband coverage when it is a retained power and responsibility of Westminster, they are pig thick as well as out and out liars.
The current Tory leadership race is the best possible advertisement against drug use ever devised. Look what taking cocaine, cannabis, opium and the rest has done to the contenders' brains and judgement.
Actually, I would say it has been a stunning advert for opium. There is only one candidate who talks as if governing has some responsibility to the truth and rationality.
Sturgeons status vs 2019 Westminster politicians far better than Salmonds was in 2016 vs Cameron. Indeed plenty of floating voters would accept Corbyn plus Sturgeon but be petrified of a Corbyn outright majority.
Hunt gives a calm, measured and assured performance on Sky News. He is the complete antithesis of Boris.
He was clam and assured, but still talking unicorns. And, as Ridge pointed out, he has had more Brexit positions than there are days in the year.
A slight over-egging of the pudding there .... .. That said if the evidence changes I'm not concerned that a politician changes their view.
Like the other contenders in the race, Hunt is guided solely by personal ambition. His consistency in changing position is certainly understandable given that.
Senior politicians show ambition shocker ....
In other news Tottenham Hotspur fail to win trophy shocker ....
Anyone who has spent time watching the Conservative party knows that it is home to more than its fair share of self-centred chancers who put themselves before the country. Just as anyone who supports Spurs knows that defeat is built into the equation.
Yawn.
Both you and Jonathan are never more boring than when you get onto your partisan stick.
It is gratifying that PB Tories are never partisan and only ever post through the prism of impartiality.
I think the public are generally very forgiving of past mistakes .
But won’t have much time for hypocrisy . The past cocaine use he could have overcome but I think he’s done for now .
I expect Hunt now will end up in the top two and will be soundly beaten in the membership vote but will be ready to pick up the pieces when Bozo implodes after his fantasy EU plan hits reality .
Hunt gives a calm, measured and assured performance on Sky News. He is the complete antithesis of Boris.
He was clam and assured, but still talking unicorns. And, as Ridge pointed out, he has had more Brexit positions than there are days in the year.
A slight over-egging of the pudding there .... .. That said if the evidence changes I'm not concerned that a politician changes their view.
Like the other contenders in the race, Hunt is guided solely by personal ambition. His consistency in changing position is certainly understandable given that.
Senior politicians show ambition shocker ....
In other news Tottenham Hotspur fail to win trophy shocker ....
Anyone who has spent time watching the Conservative party knows that it is home to more than its fair share of self-centred chancers who put themselves before the country. Just as anyone who supports Spurs knows that defeat is built into the equation.
Yawn.
Both you and Jonathan are never more boring than when you get onto your partisan stick.
I think the public are generally very forgiving of past mistakes .
But won’t have much time for hypocrisy . The past cocaine use he could have overcome but I think he’s done for now .
I expect Hunt now will end up in the top two and will be soundly beaten in the membership vote but will be ready to pick up the pieces when Bozo implodes after his fantasy EU plan hits reality .
Hoist by his own petard, it could not have happened to a nicer fellow.
I think the public are generally very forgiving of past mistakes .
But won’t have much time for hypocrisy . The past cocaine use he could have overcome but I think he’s done for now .
I expect Hunt now will end up in the top two and will be soundly beaten in the membership vote but will be ready to pick up the pieces when Bozo implodes after his fantasy EU plan hits reality .
The public and the Tory party electorate are two very different things, though. Gove's current problems with the first will be exacerbated by his total hypocrisy, but it is the lack of No Deal zeal that is likely to be fatal with the latter.
Have to say I never expected to be enjoying the Tory Leadership (sic ) race , crooks and comic singers abound, never short of a good laugh at the state of the contenders and their pathetic attempts at bribing the nasties members with promises of giving them tax cuts, lower IHT and any other gift they can throw in. Like watching a pack of hyenas share a carcass.
The moral high ground sought by some Labour members on here is great to see, as if it's any different for senior Labour MPs. The idea that any of our MPs haven't done a line or smoked a bit of weed at least once in their life defies the reality of Westminster.
Most MPs are white and middle class, to not have done a line at least once would be a bigger shock, IMO.
Very meaty analysis by Ashcroft - we've had some of the charts shown here but it's worth reading the whole thing. Not entirely welcome to most of us, but intriguing.
Gove getting the tone wrong, not sure he can seriously continue.
If any of his backers change to someone else, that will be the sign.....
These are Gove's current backers:
Peter Aldous, Richard Bacon, Kemi Badenoch, Jack Brereton, Alberto Costa, David Duguid, George Eustice, Michael Fabricant, George Freeman, Nick Gibb, Luke Graham, Bill Grant, Trudy Harrison, John Hayes, Kevin Hollinrake, Stephen Kerr, Edward Leigh, Oliver Letwin, Rachel Maclean, Mark Menzies, Anne Milton, Nicky Morgan, Bob Neill, Guy Opperman, Neil Parish, Claire Perry, Bob Seely, John Stevenson, Mel Stride, Tom Tugendhat, Ed Vaizey, Giles Watling.
How does someone who’s nothing to do with the campaign end up at the count?
How does a party let someone with a conviction for election fraud anywhere near the count?
Sounds like someone is collecting evidence here, reports of voters turning up to be told they’d voted by post already appear very, err, Tower Hamlets-esque?
Wonder when someone will report him to the rozzers, or if they will be as keen to turn up on his doorstep as quickly as they do for someone accused of offending someone with a text message.
Sturgeons status vs 2019 Westminster politicians far better than Salmonds was in 2016 vs Cameron. Indeed plenty of floating voters would accept Corbyn plus Sturgeon but be petrified of a Corbyn outright majority.
There's something in that, I expect (and the same goes for "dependent on LibDems"). The old "coalition of chaos" line isn't going to work either any more, since the Conservatives have bene providing a more chaotic coalition than we could possibly imagine.
Hunt gives a calm, measured and assured performance on Sky News. He is the complete antithesis of Boris.
He was clam and assured, but still talking unicorns. And, as Ridge pointed out, he has had more Brexit positions than there are days in the year.
A slight over-egging of the pudding there .... .. That said if the evidence changes I'm not concerned that a politician changes their view.
Like the other contenders in the race, Hunt is guided solely by personal ambition. His consistency in changing position is certainly understandable given that.
And yet he criticised no deal, which harms his ambition in the second portion of the contest, should he get that far.
Like Rory Stewart, Hunt is smart enough to know that there is going to be another Conservative party leadership election pretty soon after this one. Having been right about the absolute disaster a No Deal will be is going to be a pre-requisite for having a chance in that fight.
There was polling somewhere showing Stewart equal tops with Boris for next PM, with the public at large. Not bad for a politician no-one had heard of a few weeks ago
Sturgeons status vs 2019 Westminster politicians far better than Salmonds was in 2016 vs Cameron. Indeed plenty of floating voters would accept Corbyn plus Sturgeon but be petrified of a Corbyn outright majority.
There's something in that, I expect (and the same goes for "dependent on LibDems"). The old "coalition of chaos" line isn't going to work either any more, since the Conservatives have bene providing a more chaotic coalition than we could possibly imagine.
Indeed. And they have barely begun. Wait until May has to remain PM because they have elected a leader who the Queen has been informed is unlikely to command a majority.
Well if I was a Con member I’d vote for Gove after that Marr performance.
I thought you were a member.
Just goes to show never assume. It makes an ass out of u and me. Well, just me in this case.
Why aren't you though? Being a member is a chance to play an active part in the development of a centre right offering that can meet the challenges of the early 21st century. It's sorely needed. Labour and the Left are winning the battle of ideas hands down atm.
The moral high ground sought by some Labour members on here is great to see, as if it's any different for senior Labour MPs. The idea that any of our MPs haven't done a line or smoked a bit of weed at least once in their life defies the reality of Westminster.
Most MPs are white and middle class, to not have done a line at least once would be a bigger shock, IMO.
I’m a Labour voter and think people shouldn’t moralize , we’ve all done things we might have regretted.
My issue against Gove isn’t his cocaine use , its the vomit inducing hypocrisy since.
Game over for Gove , the interest now is who he decides to take down with him , Lady Macbeth won’t be happy and will want to exact some revenge .
Sturgeons status vs 2019 Westminster politicians far better than Salmonds was in 2016 vs Cameron. Indeed plenty of floating voters would accept Corbyn plus Sturgeon but be petrified of a Corbyn outright majority.
There's something in that, I expect (and the same goes for "dependent on LibDems"). The old "coalition of chaos" line isn't going to work either any more, since the Conservatives have bene providing a more chaotic coalition than we could possibly imagine.
Yes bribing the DUP to help prop them up has blown any doubts that having a sane SNP as a reasonable partner could be bad. Good enough for both of them , hard to tell who is holding a long spoon and who is the devil between the Tories and the DUP, but Tories edge it.
Well if I was a Con member I’d vote for Gove after that Marr performance.
I thought you were a member.
Just goes to show never assume. It makes an ass out of u and me. Well, just me in this case.
Why aren't you though? Being a member is a chance to play an active part in the development of a centre right offering that can meet the challenges of the early 21st century. It's sorely needed. Labour and the Left are winning the battle of ideas hands down atm.
How does someone who’s nothing to do with the campaign end up at the count?
How does a party let someone with a conviction for election fraud anywhere near the count?
Sounds like someone is collecting evidence here, reports of voters turning up to be told they’d voted by post already appear very, err, Tower Hamlets-esque?
Good points. Whoever let him anywhere near the campaign, assuming they did and he is not just a chancer with a rosette, needs a stern talking-to. On the other hand, the allegations do seem a bit third or fourth hand, rather late in the day, and from a Conservative rather than Brexit Party source.
On a more practical note we can hardly have a PM whose eligibility for a US visa waiver is in doubt. He also can't be given a consolation prize of Foreign Office for the same reason, or Home Office or justice because hypocrisy.
Gove was Johnson’s only credible rival. And he’s sunk...
No one would beat Bozo . So effectively the leadership race is now a positioning of those who want a top job in the cabinet and who also are looking at longer term when Bozo has the shortest tenure of any Tory PM.
On a more practical note we can hardly have a PM whose eligibility for a US visa waiver is in doubt. He also can't be given a consolation prize of Foreign Office for the same reason, or Home Office or justice because hypocrisy.
On a more practical note we can hardly have a PM whose eligibility for a US visa waiver is in doubt. He also can't be given a consolation prize of Foreign Office for the same reason, or Home Office or justice because hypocrisy.
On a practical note, if he's PM somebody can get him a visa
Sturgeons status vs 2019 Westminster politicians far better than Salmonds was in 2016 vs Cameron. Indeed plenty of floating voters would accept Corbyn plus Sturgeon but be petrified of a Corbyn outright majority.
There's something in that, I expect (and the same goes for "dependent on LibDems"). The old "coalition of chaos" line isn't going to work either any more, since the Conservatives have bene providing a more chaotic coalition than we could possibly imagine.
Note the word petrified. When floating voters are petrified of your leader you have the wrong man. He is fortunate that the alternatives are almost equally terrible.
A Labour landslide is readily available if they ditch Corbyn. They could probably actually keep most of the Corbyn policies but change the tone, ditch the nastiness and anti-semitism and take away the concern that Corbyn is just the start of a marxist state.
How does someone who’s nothing to do with the campaign end up at the count?
How does a party let someone with a conviction for election fraud anywhere near the count?
Sounds like someone is collecting evidence here, reports of voters turning up to be told they’d voted by post already appear very, err, Tower Hamlets-esque?
Good points. Whoever let him anywhere near the campaign, assuming they did and he is not just a chancer with a rosette, needs a stern talking-to. On the other hand, the allegations do seem a bit third or fourth hand, rather late in the day, and from a Conservative rather than Brexit Party source.
Remember that the BP’s idea of a ground game was manning a stall on the High St on Election Day, only Lab and Con really have boots on the ground in the town.
Some parts do seem a little vague, and the story is in the Mail so another pinch of salt there, but if there’s any evidence of ballot boxes getting stuffed that’s a worrying development. Big IF there, of course - although the presence of the convicted ballot box stuffer is probably a good starting point, even if circumstantial evidence at this stage.
The important question, now that Gove has blown up his own campaign, is whether he can still successfully derail BoZo.
Or not.
Gove might have destroyed his credibility to the extent that no matter what he does, people will dismiss it. He'd already become a Remainer in the eyes of the One True Brexit contingent.
On a more practical note we can hardly have a PM whose eligibility for a US visa waiver is in doubt. He also can't be given a consolation prize of Foreign Office for the same reason, or Home Office or justice because hypocrisy.
On a practical note, if he's PM somebody can get him a visa
LOL.
I’d always assumed that a Privy Councillor would be able to get a diplomatic passport if one were requested?
Sturgeons status vs 2019 Westminster politicians far better than Salmonds was in 2016 vs Cameron. Indeed plenty of floating voters would accept Corbyn plus Sturgeon but be petrified of a Corbyn outright majority.
There's something in that, I expect (and the same goes for "dependent on LibDems"). The old "coalition of chaos" line isn't going to work either any more, since the Conservatives have bene providing a more chaotic coalition than we could possibly imagine.
Yes bribing the DUP to help prop them up has blown any doubts that having a sane SNP as a reasonable partner could be bad. Good enough for both of them , hard to tell who is holding a long spoon and who is the devil between the Tories and the DUP, but Tories edge it.
I don't think many Brexit Party voters who want Britain to 'take back control' would be too keen on Scottish Nationalists holding the balance of power at Westminster.
How does someone who’s nothing to do with the campaign end up at the count?
How does a party let someone with a conviction for election fraud anywhere near the count?
Sounds like someone is collecting evidence here, reports of voters turning up to be told they’d voted by post already appear very, err, Tower Hamlets-esque?
Good points. Whoever let him anywhere near the campaign, assuming they did and he is not just a chancer with a rosette, needs a stern talking-to. On the other hand, the allegations do seem a bit third or fourth hand, rather late in the day, and from a Conservative rather than Brexit Party source.
Remember that the BP’s idea of a ground game was manning a stall on the High St on Election Day, only Lab and Con really have boots on the ground in the town.
(Snip)
I think that's a little unfair on the BP (and I'm hardly a fan of theirs). A few weeks before the election, only UKIP and BP had any visible presence in the centre of Peterborough on a busy Saturday afternoon - and it was a large and happy presence.
It's a bit much to expect them to match the Cons and Lab in the GOTV stakes when they don't have much of an organisational track record in the constituency or the data.
I don't think many Brexit Party voters who want Britain to 'take back control' would be too keen on Scottish Nationalists holding the balance of power at Westminster.
There's a deal to be done between Farage and Sturgeon if it came to that. Farage always favoured much more Scottish devolution, and I think he'd be fine with the model originally proposed by the SNP in the Scotland's Place in Europe paper.
Sturgeons status vs 2019 Westminster politicians far better than Salmonds was in 2016 vs Cameron. Indeed plenty of floating voters would accept Corbyn plus Sturgeon but be petrified of a Corbyn outright majority.
There's something in that, I expect (and the same goes for "dependent on LibDems"). The old "coalition of chaos" line isn't going to work either any more, since the Conservatives have bene providing a more chaotic coalition than we could possibly imagine.
Yes bribing the DUP to help prop them up has blown any doubts that having a sane SNP as a reasonable partner could be bad. Good enough for both of them , hard to tell who is holding a long spoon and who is the devil between the Tories and the DUP, but Tories edge it.
I don't think many Brexit Party voters who want Britain to 'take back control' would be too keen on Scottish Nationalists holding the balance of power at Westminster.
Given they are likely to be like UKIP and have maximum 1 seat , I doubt that will matter. The same nutters were ineffective in UKIP and only Farage will benefit from his latest ponzi scheme. PS: BP is just the same bunch of fruitloops
I think this is maybe getting overblown, hypocricy is the most fundamental principle of conservatism, I know they've been entryized but I don't see why they should completely abandon their values.
How does someone who’s nothing to do with the campaign end up at the count?
How does a party let someone with a conviction for election fraud anywhere near the count?
Sounds like someone is collecting evidence here, reports of voters turning up to be told they’d voted by post already appear very, err, Tower Hamlets-esque?
Good points. Whoever let him anywhere near the campaign, assuming they did and he is not just a chancer with a rosette, needs a stern talking-to. On the other hand, the allegations do seem a bit third or fourth hand, rather late in the day, and from a Conservative rather than Brexit Party source.
Remember that the BP’s idea of a ground game was manning a stall on the High St on Election Day, only Lab and Con really have boots on the ground in the town.
(Snip)
I think that's a little unfair on the BP (and I'm hardly a fan of theirs). A few weeks before the election, only UKIP and BP had any visible presence in the centre of Peterborough on a busy Saturday afternoon - and it was a large and happy presence.
It's a bit much to expect them to match the Cons and Lab in the GOTV stakes when they don't have much of an organisational track record in the constituency or the data.
It wasn’t really intended as a criticism of BP, they’re a new party learning to do things and didn’t have a local database. Rather it was a reply to an observation that the reports of unusual activity came from Con sources, as detailed in the MoS article.
Sturgeons status vs 2019 Westminster politicians far better than Salmonds was in 2016 vs Cameron. Indeed plenty of floating voters would accept Corbyn plus Sturgeon but be petrified of a Corbyn outright majority.
There's something in that, I expect (and the same goes for "dependent on LibDems"). The old "coalition of chaos" line isn't going to work either any more, since the Conservatives have bene providing a more chaotic coalition than we could possibly imagine.
Yes bribing the DUP to help prop them up has blown any doubts that having a sane SNP as a reasonable partner could be bad. Good enough for both of them , hard to tell who is holding a long spoon and who is the devil between the Tories and the DUP, but Tories edge it.
I don't think many Brexit Party voters who want Britain to 'take back control' would be too keen on Scottish Nationalists holding the balance of power at Westminster.
Very meaty analysis by Ashcroft - we've had some of the charts shown here but it's worth reading the whole thing. Not entirely welcome to most of us, but intriguing.
The moral high ground sought by some Labour members on here is great to see, as if it's any different for senior Labour MPs. The idea that any of our MPs haven't done a line or smoked a bit of weed at least once in their life defies the reality of Westminster.
Most MPs are white and middle class, to not have done a line at least once would be a bigger shock, IMO.
I’m a Labour voter and think people shouldn’t moralize , we’ve all done things we might have regretted.
My issue against Gove isn’t his cocaine use , its the vomit inducing hypocrisy since.
Game over for Gove , the interest now is who he decides to take down with him , Lady Macbeth won’t be happy and will want to exact some revenge .
Oh I agree with that, it's the hypocrisy that will get him but comments on here about all of the Tory leadership being on drugs etc... is a bit much to take from members of the Labour party who's own leadership probably did a lot of regrettable stuff in their younger days.
The moral high ground sought by some Labour members on here is great to see, as if it's any different for senior Labour MPs. The idea that any of our MPs haven't done a line or smoked a bit of weed at least once in their life defies the reality of Westminster.
Most MPs are white and middle class, to not have done a line at least once would be a bigger shock, IMO.
I’m a Labour voter and think people shouldn’t moralize , we’ve all done things we might have regretted.
My issue against Gove isn’t his cocaine use , its the vomit inducing hypocrisy since.
Game over for Gove , the interest now is who he decides to take down with him , Lady Macbeth won’t be happy and will want to exact some revenge .
Oh I agree with that, it's the hypocrisy that will get him but comments on here about all of the Tory leadership being on drugs etc... is a bit much to take from members of the Labour party who's own leadership probably did a lot of regrettable stuff in their younger days.
Which contenders for the Tory leadership have confirmed that they have not taken drugs? They all seem to have done it.
Sturgeons status vs 2019 Westminster politicians far better than Salmonds was in 2016 vs Cameron. Indeed plenty of floating voters would accept Corbyn plus Sturgeon but be petrified of a Corbyn outright majority.
There's something in that, I expect (and the same goes for "dependent on LibDems"). The old "coalition of chaos" line isn't going to work either any more, since the Conservatives have bene providing a more chaotic coalition than we could possibly imagine.
Yes bribing the DUP to help prop them up has blown any doubts that having a sane SNP as a reasonable partner could be bad. Good enough for both of them , hard to tell who is holding a long spoon and who is the devil between the Tories and the DUP, but Tories edge it.
I don't think many Brexit Party voters who want Britain to 'take back control' would be too keen on Scottish Nationalists holding the balance of power at Westminster.
Compared with having Corbyn and McDonnell going on the rampage unchecked, practically any coalition or confidence and supply partner is to be welcomed with open arms.
People may or may not agree with the policy aims of the SNP, but at least they aren't mad.
I think this is maybe getting overblown, hypocricy is the most fundamental principle of conservatism, I know they've been entryized but I don't see why they should completely abandon their values.
But like so many of their fundamental principles, the Tories used to be really good at hypocrisy, now they're not. Modern life IS rubbish, it would appear.
Looks like Boris is a shoo-in. If there's any further negotiation with the EU before we leave, then Gove may be the one to do it. He is a politician who can command a brief and also think outside the box. Let Boris set the parameters and put the Gover to work.
How does someone who’s nothing to do with the campaign end up at the count?
How does a party let someone with a conviction for election fraud anywhere near the count?
Sounds like someone is collecting evidence here, reports of voters turning up to be told they’d voted by post already appear very, err, Tower Hamlets-esque?
Good points. Whoever let him anywhere near the campaign, assuming they did and he is not just a chancer with a rosette, needs a stern talking-to. On the other hand, the allegations do seem a bit third or fourth hand, rather late in the day, and from a Conservative rather than Brexit Party source.
Remember that the BP’s idea of a ground game was manning a stall on the High St on Election Day, only Lab and Con really have boots on the ground in the town.
(Snip)
I think that's a little unfair on the BP (and I'm hardly a fan of theirs). A few weeks before the election, only UKIP and BP had any visible presence in the centre of Peterborough on a busy Saturday afternoon - and it was a large and happy presence.
It's a bit much to expect them to match the Cons and Lab in the GOTV stakes when they don't have much of an organisational track record in the constituency or the data.
It wasn’t really intended as a criticism of BP, they’re a new party learning to do things and didn’t have a local database. Rather it was a reply to an observation that the reports of unusual activity came from Con sources, as detailed in the MoS article.
Given that the BXP does not have members, how will it ever build the ground-game and the local data that it needs?
On a more practical note we can hardly have a PM whose eligibility for a US visa waiver is in doubt. He also can't be given a consolation prize of Foreign Office for the same reason, or Home Office or justice because hypocrisy.
On a practical note, if he's PM somebody can get him a visa
Obviously. But it wouldn't be a great backdrop to his first visit there, with special features everywhere about how the rules for ordinary folk don't apply to our cokehead PM, would it now?
The moral high ground sought by some Labour members on here is great to see, as if it's any different for senior Labour MPs. The idea that any of our MPs haven't done a line or smoked a bit of weed at least once in their life defies the reality of Westminster.
Most MPs are white and middle class, to not have done a line at least once would be a bigger shock, IMO.
I’m a Labour voter and think people shouldn’t moralize , we’ve all done things we might have regretted.
My issue against Gove isn’t his cocaine use , its the vomit inducing hypocrisy since.
Game over for Gove , the interest now is who he decides to take down with him , Lady Macbeth won’t be happy and will want to exact some revenge .
Oh I agree with that, it's the hypocrisy that will get him but comments on here about all of the Tory leadership being on drugs etc... is a bit much to take from members of the Labour party who's own leadership probably did a lot of regrettable stuff in their younger days.
Which contenders for the Tory leadership have confirmed that they have not taken drugs? They all seem to have done it.
Does that shock you? Would it shock you if the next set of Labour candidates said the same?
Looks like Boris is a shoo-in. If there's any further negotiation with the EU before we leave, then Gove may be the one to do it. He is a politician who can command a brief and also think outside the box. Let Boris set the parameters and put the Gover to work.
Yes, Let's send the crack head over to negotiate will go down a treat.
Sturgeons status vs 2019 Westminster politicians far better than Salmonds was in 2016 vs Cameron. Indeed plenty of floating voters would accept Corbyn plus Sturgeon but be petrified of a Corbyn outright majority.
There's something in that, I expect (and the same goes for "dependent on LibDems"). The old "coalition of chaos" line isn't going to work either any more, since the Conservatives have bene providing a more chaotic coalition than we could possibly imagine.
Yes bribing the DUP to help prop them up has blown any doubts that having a sane SNP as a reasonable partner could be bad. Good enough for both of them , hard to tell who is holding a long spoon and who is the devil between the Tories and the DUP, but Tories edge it.
I don't think many Brexit Party voters who want Britain to 'take back control' would be too keen on Scottish Nationalists holding the balance of power at Westminster.
Compared with having Corbyn and McDonnell going on the rampage unchecked, practically any coalition or confidence and supply partner is to be welcomed with open arms.
People may or may not agree with the policy aims of the SNP, but at least they aren't mad.
And they believe in parliamentary democracy. I am unconvinced that can be truly said of Jezza's inner circle.
How does someone who’s nothing to do with the campaign end up at the count?
How does a party let someone with a conviction for election fraud anywhere near the count?
Sounds like someone is collecting evidence here, reports of voters turning up to be told they’d voted by post already appear very, err, Tower Hamlets-esque?
Good points. Whoever let him anywhere near the campaign, assuming they did and he is not just a chancer with a rosette, needs a stern talking-to. On the other hand, the allegations do seem a bit third or fourth hand, rather late in the day, and from a Conservative rather than Brexit Party source.
Remember that the BP’s idea of a ground game was manning a stall on the High St on Election Day, only Lab and Con really have boots on the ground in the town.
(Snip)
I think that's a little unfair on the BP (and I'm hardly a fan of theirs). A few weeks before the election, only UKIP and BP had any visible presence in the centre of Peterborough on a busy Saturday afternoon - and it was a large and happy presence.
It's a bit much to expect them to match the Cons and Lab in the GOTV stakes when they don't have much of an organisational track record in the constituency or the data.
It wasn’t really intended as a criticism of BP, they’re a new party learning to do things and didn’t have a local database. Rather it was a reply to an observation that the reports of unusual activity came from Con sources, as detailed in the MoS article.
Just another Farage ponzi scheme, he will be only one to benefit from BP
That's the other interesting aspect to all of this, Labour have stayed extremely quiet that the next potential PM could be a coke fiend. Rightly, they aren't moralising over it.
The moral high ground sought by some Labour members on here is great to see, as if it's any different for senior Labour MPs. The idea that any of our MPs haven't done a line or smoked a bit of weed at least once in their life defies the reality of Westminster.
Most MPs are white and middle class, to not have done a line at least once would be a bigger shock, IMO.
I’m a Labour voter and think people shouldn’t moralize , we’ve all done things we might have regretted.
My issue against Gove isn’t his cocaine use , its the vomit inducing hypocrisy since.
Game over for Gove , the interest now is who he decides to take down with him , Lady Macbeth won’t be happy and will want to exact some revenge .
Oh I agree with that, it's the hypocrisy that will get him but comments on here about all of the Tory leadership being on drugs etc... is a bit much to take from members of the Labour party who's own leadership probably did a lot of regrettable stuff in their younger days.
Which contenders for the Tory leadership have confirmed that they have not taken drugs? They all seem to have done it.
Does that shock you? Would it shock you if the next set of Labour candidates said the same?
Not at all. I am not a member of the Labour party, but my guess is that anyone who stands for the Labour leadership next time will not have a track record of supporting punitive action against drug users.
How does someone who’s nothing to do with the campaign end up at the count?
How does a party let someone with a conviction for election fraud anywhere near the count?
Sounds like someone is collecting evidence here, reports of voters turning up to be told they’d voted by post already appear very, err, Tower Hamlets-esque?
Good points. Whoever let him anywhere near the campaign, assuming they did and he is not just a chancer with a rosette, needs a stern talking-to. On the other hand, the allegations do seem a bit third or fourth hand, rather late in the day, and from a Conservative rather than Brexit Party source.
Remember that the BP’s idea of a ground game was manning a stall on the High St on Election Day, only Lab and Con really have boots on the ground in the town.
(Snip)
I think that's a little unfair on the BP (and I'm hardly a fan of theirs). A few weeks before the election, only UKIP and BP had any visible presence in the centre of Peterborough on a busy Saturday afternoon - and it was a large and happy presence.
It's a bit much to expect them to match the Cons and Lab in the GOTV stakes when they don't have much of an organisational track record in the constituency or the data.
It wasn’t really intended as a criticism of BP, they’re a new party learning to do things and didn’t have a local database. Rather it was a reply to an observation that the reports of unusual activity came from Con sources, as detailed in the MoS article.
Given that the BXP does not have members, how will it ever build the ground-game and the local data that it needs?
Doubt it will last long enough to need that, will be cut and run more like.
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These people are not right in the tattie.
PS: Nicholson is a right tool, been wittering on about SNP failing broadband coverage when it is a retained power and responsibility of Westminster, they are pig thick as well as out and out liars.
Gove getting desperate now.
https://order-order.com/2019/06/09/gove-brought-law-ban-teachers-life-cocaine-use/
But won’t have much time for hypocrisy . The past cocaine use he could have overcome but I think he’s done for now .
I expect Hunt now will end up in the top two and will be soundly beaten in the membership vote but will be ready to pick up the pieces when Bozo implodes after his fantasy EU plan hits reality .
https://order-order.com/2019/06/09/gove-brought-law-ban-teachers-life-cocaine-use/
Pity he has no chance of making the final two.
Most MPs are white and middle class, to not have done a line at least once would be a bigger shock, IMO.
Peter Aldous, Richard Bacon, Kemi Badenoch, Jack Brereton, Alberto Costa,
David Duguid, George Eustice, Michael Fabricant, George Freeman,
Nick Gibb, Luke Graham, Bill Grant, Trudy Harrison,
John Hayes, Kevin Hollinrake, Stephen Kerr, Edward Leigh, Oliver Letwin,
Rachel Maclean, Mark Menzies, Anne Milton, Nicky Morgan,
Bob Neill, Guy Opperman, Neil Parish, Claire Perry, Bob Seely,
John Stevenson, Mel Stride, Tom Tugendhat, Ed Vaizey, Giles Watling.
How can anyone support him if he doesn’t ?
I’m not surprised his goons are trying to get Gove out before the debates...
How does a party let someone with a conviction for election fraud anywhere near the count?
Sounds like someone is collecting evidence here, reports of voters turning up to be told they’d voted by post already appear very, err, Tower Hamlets-esque?
Just goes to show never assume. It makes an ass out of u and me. Well, just me in this case.
Why aren't you though? Being a member is a chance to play an active part in the development of a centre right offering that can meet the challenges of the early 21st century. It's sorely needed. Labour and the Left are winning the battle of ideas hands down atm.
My issue against Gove isn’t his cocaine use , its the vomit inducing hypocrisy since.
Game over for Gove , the interest now is who he decides to take down with him , Lady Macbeth won’t be happy and will want to exact some revenge .
And he’s sunk...
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1137666873309503488
Or not.
A Labour landslide is readily available if they ditch Corbyn. They could probably actually keep most of the Corbyn policies but change the tone, ditch the nastiness and anti-semitism and take away the concern that Corbyn is just the start of a marxist state.
Some parts do seem a little vague, and the story is in the Mail so another pinch of salt there, but if there’s any evidence of ballot boxes getting stuffed that’s a worrying development. Big IF there, of course - although the presence of the convicted ballot box stuffer is probably a good starting point, even if circumstantial evidence at this stage.
I’d always assumed that a Privy Councillor would be able to get a diplomatic passport if one were requested?
It's a bit much to expect them to match the Cons and Lab in the GOTV stakes when they don't have much of an organisational track record in the constituency or the data.
Edited extra bit: anyway, I must be off. Probably won't be back ahead of the race, so let's hope Verstappen has a splendid day.
PS: BP is just the same bunch of fruitloops
Probably a hold, or a small back at 21/1 (current Betfair market prices).
Prices of everyone actually running are going to come in tomorrow night, when we get the entry list - so unless he withdraws today...
Also watch for Harry Cole, ironically of the MoS and behind today’s hit on Gove. Boris stole his girlfriend.
People may or may not agree with the policy aims of the SNP, but at least they aren't mad.
If there's any further negotiation with the EU before we leave, then Gove may be the one to do it. He is a politician who can command a brief and also think outside the box. Let Boris set the parameters and put the Gover to work.
Revenge .
Or did Michael have a err "problem" ?