Can we all have a few minutes silence for Sir John Major, who took a landslide and delivered a barely workable majority. And how miserable he must be at Boris taking a minority government and on the cusp of delivering an 80 seat majority.
Let's not forget, though, that Boris has been lucky in his enemies.
Major vs Corbyn would have been a stonking Conservative majority.
You only need to look at Scotland to see that Boris was beatable.
Anyone with half a brain will be hoping Labour is destroyed totally tonight. Corbyn and co have allowed the Tories in to destroy the British constitution. Labour deserves to die for what it has enabled.
So then what... A one party state?
Nature abhors a vaccuum. If Labour dies something else will arise like a Phoenix from its ashes.
Can we all have a few minutes silence for Sir John Major, who took a landslide and delivered a barely workable majority. And how miserable he must be at Boris taking a minority government and on the cusp of delivering an 80 seat majority.
Let's not forget, though, that Boris has been lucky in his enemies.
Major vs Corbyn would have been a stonking Conservative majority.
You say that but May failed. This is the result she should have got.
Labour's spending proposals were a bit insulting to anyone over the age of about 15.
And insulting to anyone under it who'd have to pay for the debt they'd splurge on. Why should I look at my 3 year old and 5 year old children and want to burden them with that?
Seems to be the solution is a Northern Labour leader that stays far away from Remain and backs soft policies like railway nationalisation and maybe tuition fees - and that's it.
What's rail nationalisation and tuition fees going to do for the working class voters that have apparently deserted Labour?
What do you propose they offer? Tory-lite and support Brexit? I'm genuinely curious.
There has been remarkably little movement in Leave/Remain sentiment since the referendum, but the electorate today seems to have said the that the result stands and should be enacted. There is a tremendous amount of wok that has to happen before we leave in a meaningful sense. Labour could and should scrutinise this process from the perspective of accepting the result and looking to influence it to the benefit of the voters who have just told them to do one.
In terms of everything else, being lead by someone who isn't a terrorist honouring anitsemite would definitely help.
Can we all have a few minutes silence for Sir John Major, who took a landslide and delivered a barely workable majority. And how miserable he must be at Boris taking a minority government and on the cusp of delivering an 80 seat majority.
Let's not forget, though, that Boris has been lucky in his enemies.
Major vs Corbyn would have been a stonking Conservative majority.
You say that but May failed. This is the result she should have got.
Sure, but Corbyn 2019 is not Corbyn 2017. And Major was a better salesman than Mrs May.
Anyone with half a brain will be hoping Labour is destroyed totally tonight. Corbyn and co have allowed the Tories in to destroy the British constitution. Labour deserves to die for what it has enabled.
So then what... A one party state?
Nature abhors a vaccuum. If Labour dies something else will arise like a Phoenix from its ashes.
What the other party is called is largely irrelevant. It's what it does that matters.
The GOP techncially retains the same name as the party of Lincoln, but is unrecognisable. Lincoln would be a Democrat today.
It's the same in the Uk. The Tory party changes like Trigger's broom with each election.
Anyone with half a brain will be hoping Labour is destroyed totally tonight. Corbyn and co have allowed the Tories in to destroy the British constitution. Labour deserves to die for what it has enabled.
So then what... A one party state?
Nature abhors a vaccuum. If Labour dies something else will arise like a Phoenix from its ashes.
What the other party is called is largely irrelevant. It's what it does that matters.
The GOP techncially retains the same name as the party of Lincoln, but is unrecognisable. Lincoln would be a Democrat today.
It's the same in the Uk. The Tory party changes like triggers broom with each election.
The Tory party treats elections like they have another one coming along one day, they look at rule over the decades. Labour cast about for another great leader and treat every election as the most important moment in British history so far.
The SNP is the answer to the idea that it was Brexit alone that caused Labour to lose.
This is all about Corbyn, Milne and their cult.
What's the difference between now and 2017? Labour commitment to a second referendum.
* Corbyn sat on the fence on Brexit at the key moment, tried to triangulate the issue, confused and annoyed everyone and could not lay a finger on the Tories. * The total catastrophic mishandling of antisemitism in the party . * Much of the 2019 manifesto lacked credibility, whereas the 2017 manifesto borrowed heavily from 1997.
He didn't sit on the fence. He campaigned (well imo) for Remain in the referendum. According to the Ashcroft poll 64% of Labour supporters voted Remain, compared to 68% of LDs it ain't bad. Especially considering polls under Miliband had 50% of Labour voters in favour of Brexit (at the time Tom Watson was campaigning forvan EU ref let's remember). The data to pin it on Corbyn isn't there, he just tried to get the party to accept the referendum was lost after it was lost.
Antisemitism scandal was arguably worse in 2017, with Ken and the mural etc. For all the talk, Labour has beefed up it's disciplinary response.
Some of 2019 was easily ridiculed, sure. But the main thrust, of patching up disintegrating public realm through taxation of the wealthy, public ownership of key utilities etc., the things that Corbyn is keen on and which wouldn't have been there under any other potential leader, are popular.
It'll never be settled obviously. Brexit is the defining fact of probably the next few decades so there's no use imagining what the Corbyn moment could have been without such a relentless focus on it.
With these results, Labour are going to need a few elections to get back into power..thats 10 years or so.
Not necessarily. However, it would be a helpful first step if the blithering idiots amongst the Labour mass membership picked a decent leader this bloody time.
Can we all have a few minutes silence for Sir John Major, who took a landslide and delivered a barely workable majority. And how miserable he must be at Boris taking a minority government and on the cusp of delivering an 80 seat majority.
Let's not forget, though, that Boris has been lucky in his enemies.
Major vs Corbyn would have been a stonking Conservative majority.
You say that but May failed. This is the result she should have got.
Sure, but Corbyn 2019 is not Corbyn 2017. And Major was a better salesman than Mrs May.
He was pre-Black Wednesday but then he was lucky in his opponent in facing the Welsh Windbag.
2 years may have changed Corbyn, 5 certainly did Major. Major 1997 was not Major 1992 either.
Does anyone else feel that this is the result that Theresa May expected in 2017?
I almost feel this is what TM thought she'd get.
Yep.
The key difference is May went two years early when it wasn't yet clear Parliament was going to do everything possible to delay Brexit. She did not have a compelling enough reason to call a GE - as far as the average voter was concerned - in 2017. She already had a flippin' majority.
Ridiculous that we had 10% leads all campaign solidly and yet you could make a 50% return on your money (if I understand 1.5 odds correctly) by backing an overall majority.
None of this is a surprise. Labour members own it entirely. They were told time and again. They did not listen. They should hang their heads in shame.
But will they, or will they react the same as they did when EdM lost in 2015, throw a massive tantrum and pick someone even more bonkers than Corbyn?
I think there will be some revisionism.
Not right away, but in time. Plenty of labour types I know swore they would never vote for the red team after Iraq. Guess what, they found a way to pull the level again. People find a way to break with the past.
The project will change. Cognitive dissonance is powerful.
I feel sorry for the young couple I saw in the supermarket earlier buying supplies for the big night where they planned to stay up and watching Jezza's win.
Listening to the talking heads on BBC say that a large majority means Boris can slow down and have a softer Brexit.
No. Dominic Cummings will be saying to Boris - "Get it done. Be awkward and push. And use your majority to make real change." Dominic's blog shows what to expect - God help the Blob because change is coming.
I feel sorry for the young couple I saw in the supermarket earlier buying supplies for the big night where they planned to stay up and watching Jezza's win.
Anyone with half a brain will be hoping Labour is destroyed totally tonight. Corbyn and co have allowed the Tories in to destroy the British constitution. Labour deserves to die for what it has enabled.
So then what... A one party state?
Nature abhors a vaccuum. If Labour dies something else will arise like a Phoenix from its ashes.
Anyone with half a brain will be hoping Labour is destroyed totally tonight. Corbyn and co have allowed the Tories in to destroy the British constitution. Labour deserves to die for what it has enabled.
To what extent should social media be held responsible for what's happened to the Labour Party? I'm thinking of the way it allows a small but vocal group of campaigners to seize control of institutions that used to have a broad base.
The SNP is the answer to the idea that it was Brexit alone that caused Labour to lose.
This is all about Corbyn, Milne and their cult.
What's the difference between now and 2017? Labour commitment to a second referendum.
* Corbyn sat on the fence on Brexit at the key moment, tried to triangulate the issue, confused and annoyed everyone and could not lay a finger on the Tories. * The total catastrophic mishandling of antisemitism in the party . * Much of the 2019 manifesto lacked credibility, whereas the 2017 manifesto borrowed heavily from 1997.
He didn't sit on the fence. He campaigned (well imo) for Remain in the referendum. According to the Ashcroft poll 64% of Labour supporters voted Remain, compared to 68% of LDs it ain't bad. Especially considering polls under Miliband had 50% of Labour voters in favour of Brexit (at the time Tom Watson was campaigning forvan EU ref let's remember). The data to pin it on Corbyn isn't there, he just tried to get the party to accept the referendum was lost after it was lost.
Antisemitism scandal was arguably worse in 2017, with Ken and the mural etc. For all the talk, Labour has beefed up it's disciplinary response.
Some of 2019 was easily ridiculed, sure. But the main thrust, of patching up disintegrating public realm through taxation of the wealthy, public ownership of key utilities etc., the things that Corbyn is keen on and which wouldn't have been there under any other potential leader, are popular.
It'll never be settled obviously. Brexit is the defining fact of probably the next few decades so there's no use imagining what the Corbyn moment could have been without such a relentless focus on it.
It's true that Brexit seems to have been his most significant undoing, if you look at the 2017 result. Corbynites needed a win then to maintain the leftward shift.
The SNP is the answer to the idea that it was Brexit alone that caused Labour to lose.
This is all about Corbyn, Milne and their cult.
What's the difference between now and 2017? Labour commitment to a second referendum.
* Corbyn sat on the fence on Brexit at the key moment, tried to triangulate the issue, confused and annoyed everyone and could not lay a finger on the Tories. * The total catastrophic mishandling of antisemitism in the party . * Much of the 2019 manifesto lacked credibility, whereas the 2017 manifesto borrowed heavily from 1997.
He didn't sit on the fence. He campaigned (well imo) for Remain in the referendum. According to the Ashcroft poll 64% of Labour supporters voted Remain, compared to 68% of LDs it ain't bad. Especially considering polls under Miliband had 50% of Labour voters in favour of Brexit (at the time Tom Watson was campaigning forvan EU ref let's remember). The data to pin it on Corbyn isn't there, he just tried to get the party to accept the referendum was lost after it was lost.
Antisemitism scandal was arguably worse in 2017, with Ken and the mural etc. For all the talk, Labour has beefed up it's disciplinary response.
Some of 2019 was easily ridiculed, sure. But the main thrust, of patching up disintegrating public realm through taxation of the wealthy, public ownership of key utilities etc., the things that Corbyn is keen on and which wouldn't have been there under any other potential leader, are popular.
It'll never be settled obviously. Brexit is the defining fact of probably the next few decades so there's no use imagining what the Corbyn moment could have been without such a relentless focus on it.
He was 'neutral' on Brexit. That is a fence fully inserted.
You really need to wake up. Corbyn was utterly toxic and tone deaf beyond his core vote. He screwed up by inflating a massive bubble and inviting you all to live in it.
I feel sorry for the young couple I saw in the supermarket earlier buying supplies for the big night where they planned to stay up and watching Jezza's win.
I'm sure that they can watch it somewhere on the internet.
Watching election coverage, with some of these wonderful constituency names, it feels a tad boring to merely live in Georgia's 7th congressional district.
I feel sorry for the young couple I saw in the supermarket earlier buying supplies for the big night where they planned to stay up and watching Jezza's win.
I wish we had the Facebook laugh etc reaction for this and not just like.
None of this is a surprise. Labour members own it entirely. They were told time and again. They did not listen. They should hang their heads in shame.
But will they, or will they react the same as they did when EdM lost in 2015, throw a massive tantrum and pick someone even more bonkers than Corbyn?
I think there will be some revisionism.
Not right away, but in time. Plenty of labour types I know swore they would never vote for the red team after Iraq. Guess what, they found a way to pull the level again. People find a way to break with the past.
The project will change. Cognitive dissonance is powerful.
Labour members were utterly self-indulgent and the poor will pay the price.
Clearly all those massive queues were there to vote for Boris....
could be - my sister took her hubby to vote for Boris in Stevenage - he is a visceral working class anti-tory who hates Corbyn - he normally sits out elections as a waste of time but today he did the unthinkable and voted Boris
Ridiculous that we had 10% leads all campaign solidly and yet you could make a 50% return on your money (if I understand 1.5 odds correctly) by backing an overall majority.
Hope people braver than me got on.
Ahem. £150 at 2/5 and £120 at 1/3 yields a return of (150+60) + (120+40) = £370, a profit of £100. Others also bet, and some at the 3/2 price you mention.
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Swingometer says majority of 116.
In terms of everything else, being lead by someone who isn't a terrorist honouring anitsemite would definitely help.
actual was con 59 lab 30
That's a big alarm bell.
The Conservative majority could indeed be over 100.
The GOP techncially retains the same name as the party of Lincoln, but is unrecognisable. Lincoln would be a Democrat today.
It's the same in the Uk. The Tory party changes like Trigger's broom with each election.
Edit: Oh, there is! Must be my browser acting up.
I was conceived in Edinburgh, I'm as Scottish as they come.
I almost feel this is what TM thought she'd get.
CON 46%
LAB 28%
These results are going to be bringing huge expectations about Brexit.
Antisemitism scandal was arguably worse in 2017, with Ken and the mural etc. For all the talk, Labour has beefed up it's disciplinary response.
Some of 2019 was easily ridiculed, sure. But the main thrust, of patching up disintegrating public realm through taxation of the wealthy, public ownership of key utilities etc., the things that Corbyn is keen on and which wouldn't have been there under any other potential leader, are popular.
It'll never be settled obviously. Brexit is the defining fact of probably the next few decades so there's no use imagining what the Corbyn moment could have been without such a relentless focus on it.
2 years may have changed Corbyn, 5 certainly did Major. Major 1997 was not Major 1992 either.
Take a bow, Ed Miliband.
Hope people braver than me got on.
Not right away, but in time. Plenty of labour types I know swore they would never vote for the red team after Iraq. Guess what, they found a way to pull the level again. People find a way to break with the past.
The project will change. Cognitive dissonance is powerful.
No. Dominic Cummings will be saying to Boris - "Get it done. Be awkward and push. And use your majority to make real change." Dominic's blog shows what to expect - God help the Blob because change is coming.
Foyle : Things Aren't Looking Good For Sinn Fein. Colum Eastwood Has Probably Done Just Enough.
You really need to wake up. Corbyn was utterly toxic and tone deaf beyond his core vote. He screwed up by inflating a massive bubble and inviting you all to live in it.
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MY GOD I HOPE DARREN JONES GETS THE BOOT. 45% chance on BBC exit poll.
Lab 15,941
Con 12,218
However, the original relationship is made on figures 2 months before, which pointed to a 13/14% lead.
https://twitter.com/MoraleCurry/status/1189145110765887498/photo/1
https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1205282985953710086?s=20
Could be v dodgy in Wales for LAB
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1205286474486308864