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edited January 14 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The second stage of LAB’s leadership race sees Starmer drop a touch but he’s still a very strong betting favourite

This is our first look at the Corbyn successor betting since it entered its second stage – the battle for nominations from constituency parties, and affiliated organisations a segment that includes the trade unions. This will continue for more than a month before the ballot packs go out to the party’s selectorate. Contenders have to reach a certain level of nominations to make it to the postal vote.

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  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 323
    edited January 14
    First like Ramsay MacDonald.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864
    edited January 14
    Second like Team Gobby Cow in Scotland.

    Edit: maybe not a sure thing after all.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    He could hardly rise higher.
    rcs1000 said:

    Isn't the Head of the Board of Deputies a former Labour MP?

    (My CFO used to be the Operations Director at the BoD.)
    You should know that being a former Labour MP - heck being a current Labour MP - does not prevent someone from being an evil Tory in the eyes of some.
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I confidently predict one day a Conservative Prime Minister will take us back into the European Union.

    It will be the equivalent of "only Nixon can go to China" but it will happen.

    Don't know when.

    Next year. This has all been an elaborate practical joke from Boris.

    nunu2 said:

    Two thirds of constituencies in Britain are small town or rural Leave seats.

    Labour are kidding themselves if they think the path back to victory is through the commuter belt and bigger cities. They aren't even second in much of the commuter towns. The white working class have a massive disproportionate say in our system of fptp seats, like it or not.

    Who knows how the culture war will wage over the next 5 years?
    Dominic 'Nostradamus' Cummings?
    Question being what will Phillips do if she does not win the leadership? If Starmer, Nandy or Thornberry not much of an issue, but if after being so strong against the Corbynite tendency the continuity corbyn candidate wins, what position does that put her in?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    Calling Sunil?

    Hundreds of people visiting Britain's least used railway station may have saved it from the title this year, according to the Office of Rail and Road (ORR).

    Redcar British Steel station saw 360 entries and exits during 2018-19, up from just 40 the year before.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51106246
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819
    edited January 14

    Second like Team Gobby Cow in Scotland.

    Edit: maybe not a sure thing after all.

    7th, like the number of years since indyref1 before Sturgeon faces an SNP leadership coup having surpassed even May in dithering and seen the Unionists take a majority at Holyrood
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 391
    Just did a YouGov on Labour, their election campaign and their candidates.

  • kicorsekicorse Posts: 232
    HYUFD said:

    7th, like the number of years since indyref1 before Sturgeon faces an SNP leadership coup having surpassed even May in dithering and seen the Unionists take a majority at Holyrood

    You favour the Catalan approach? Hmm.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 33,546
    Test
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 33,546
    kle4 said:

    Calling Sunil?

    Hundreds of people visiting Britain's least used railway station may have saved it from the title this year, according to the Office of Rail and Road (ORR).

    Redcar British Steel station saw 360 entries and exits during 2018-19, up from just 40 the year before.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51106246

    I've been through it but not to it!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 33,546
    edited January 14
    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 28,729
    So Starmer:

    Has the right stuff in his trousers: tick
    Represents a part of north London: tick
    Was willing to stay on Corbyn's team: tick
    Feels no embarrassment about backing Jewish BoDs notwithstanding: tick
    Is smug, arrogant and patronising: tick.
    Is more intelligent and articulate than Corbyn (low bar warning): tick.
    Hasn't attended the funerals of any international terrorists: tick

    Difficult to see any of those women giving him a run for his money, isn't it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    TGOHF666 said:
    An organisation that grew out of a leadership campaign group for one candidate turns out to be a bit partial? I'm shocked.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    I stand corrected.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122
    Another year of dither on social care.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    TGOHF666 said:

    Just did a YouGov on Labour, their election campaign and their candidates.

    Couldn't decide which one you loved the most?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    Maybe he did have a plan on the day he become PM, it's just that it was shit?
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 555

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864
    HYUFD said:

    Second like Team Gobby Cow in Scotland.

    Edit: maybe not a sure thing after all.

    7th, like the number of years since indyref1 before Sturgeon faces an SNP leadership coup having surpassed even May in dithering and seen the Unionists take a majority at Holyrood
    You never got back to me about that fake tweet you were fluffing earlier on today.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122
    None of that puts Biden in a spectacular position. But the conventional wisdom (at least as espoused by prediction markets) seems to assume that Sanders is considerably more likely than Biden to win in Iowa and New Hampshire. That isn’t really true based on the polls in each state, however.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-two-new-polls-show-bidens-upside-scenario/
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 28,729
    Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    Exactly. Our cheese shop was required to put up a sign warning that all of their products contained milk. Of course had they sold vegan "cheese" that would not be the case.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819
    edited January 14
    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it other than the govermment paying for it all with no big tax rise faces political suicide, so no surprise there
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122
    kle4 said:

    Maybe he did have a plan on the day he become PM, it's just that it was shit?
    That plan in full:

    a) no one should have to sell your home

    b) Somebody has to pay for it

    c) Er... that's it so far.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122
    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
  • Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    It reminds me of that old joke about non-alcoholic beers.

    A joke that is not suitable for a family friendly site like PB.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819

    kle4 said:

    Maybe he did have a plan on the day he become PM, it's just that it was shit?
    That plan in full:

    a) no one should have to sell your home

    b) Somebody has to pay for it

    c) Er... that's it so far.
    Great plan, stick go it Boris, after their antics of 2017 do not give Labour an inch, if they want to take political suicide that is up to them, otherwise wait for a Royal cross party Commission
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122
    "The Labour party has opened the scheme allowing people to pay £25 so that they can vote in the leadership contest as a registered supporter. Applications will only be allowed for 48 hours, with the scheme closing at 5pm on Thursday."

    Guardian.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    It is. Sadly, experience would suggest even with enormous majorities parties shy away from serious, controversial problems (if non partisan).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819
    edited January 14

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 305
    DavidL said:

    So Starmer:

    Has the right stuff in his trousers: tick
    Represents a part of north London: tick
    Was willing to stay on Corbyn's team: tick
    Feels no embarrassment about backing Jewish BoDs notwithstanding: tick
    Is smug, arrogant and patronising: tick.
    Is more intelligent and articulate than Corbyn (low bar warning): tick.
    Hasn't attended the funerals of any international terrorists: tick

    Difficult to see any of those women giving him a run for his money, isn't it?

    You forgot his most important political quality:

    Has visible jaw.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819

    None of that puts Biden in a spectacular position. But the conventional wisdom (at least as espoused by prediction markets) seems to assume that Sanders is considerably more likely than Biden to win in Iowa and New Hampshire. That isn’t really true based on the polls in each state, however.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-two-new-polls-show-bidens-upside-scenario/

    The Des Moines Register is historically most accurate in Iowa and their poll has Sanders ahead
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 16,699
    Operation Augusta about the utter uselessness of Greater Manchester Police is appalling.

    This makes me so angry. Really it does. The incompetence. The harm done to victims, some of the most vulnerable in our society, the cravenness, the cowardice, the hiding behind pathetic excuses, the failure to take any sort of real responsibility.

    Eughhh - on so many levels.

    Is there any police force anywhere in the country that is actually capable of doing their job?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819
    edited January 14

    HYUFD said:

    Second like Team Gobby Cow in Scotland.

    Edit: maybe not a sure thing after all.

    7th, like the number of years since indyref1 before Sturgeon faces an SNP leadership coup having surpassed even May in dithering and seen the Unionists take a majority at Holyrood
    You never got back to me about that fake tweet you were fluffing earlier on today.
    No fake tweet, and as the Wings website link I gave you shows and you completely ignored they have given up on Sturgeon

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/there-is-no-plan/
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 13,079

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan cheese is disgusting. I say that having tried a bunch.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 33,613
    DavidL said:

    Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    Exactly. Our cheese shop was required to put up a sign warning that all of their products contained milk. Of course had they sold vegan "cheese" that would not be the case.
    Veganism is an ideology and religion.

    It should be treated as such.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    You don't think fixing the problems of social care would not be worth it in the long run?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 33,613
    Cyclefree said:

    Operation Augusta about the utter uselessness of Greater Manchester Police is appalling.

    This makes me so angry. Really it does. The incompetence. The harm done to victims, some of the most vulnerable in our society, the cravenness, the cowardice, the hiding behind pathetic excuses, the failure to take any sort of real responsibility.

    Eughhh - on so many levels.

    Is there any police force anywhere in the country that is actually capable of doing their job?

    Waking up to what the police can really be like (I grew up believing all were upstanding self-sacrificing duty-bound bobbies, whose integrity and honour was beyond question from top to toe) over the last 20 years has been very depressing.
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 555

    DavidL said:

    Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    Exactly. Our cheese shop was required to put up a sign warning that all of their products contained milk. Of course had they sold vegan "cheese" that would not be the case.
    Veganism is an ideology and religion.

    It should be treated as such.
    Yep. Just like the Labour Party treats the Jews. Pogrom!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 28,729

    DavidL said:

    Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    Exactly. Our cheese shop was required to put up a sign warning that all of their products contained milk. Of course had they sold vegan "cheese" that would not be the case.
    Veganism is an ideology and religion.

    It should be treated as such.
    Contempt?
  • What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 33,613
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    You don't think fixing the problems of social care would not be worth it in the long run?
    Since it’s crowding out the funding of everything else at council level, including libraries and parks, I’d quite like to see social care resolved.

    The solution that was aired during the Cameron years (nothing above £80k as the State takes care of it and a private insurance market beneath) seemed absolutely right to me, and fair.
  • @Cyclefree have a read of this

    The UK has failed to pass on the details of 75,000 convictions of foreign criminals to their home EU countries and concealed the scandal for fear of damaging Britain’s reputation in Europe’s capitals, the Guardian can reveal.

    The police national computer error went undetected for five years, during which one in three alerts on offenders – potentially including murderers and rapists – were not sent to EU member states.

    Authorities in EU countries were not informed of the crimes committed, the sentences given to their nationals by UK courts or the risk the convicted criminals posed to the public.

    Because the details were not passed on, dangerous offenders could have travelled back to their home countries without the normal notification to local authorities of their presence.

    Such is the scale of the scandal that the Home Office initially chose to conceal the embarrassing failure from EU partners.

    Minutes of an ACRO criminal records meeting last May state: “There is a nervousness from Home Office around sending the historical notifications out dating back to 2012 due to the reputational impact this could have.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/14/revealed-uk-concealed-failure-to-alert-eu-over-75000-criminal-convictions
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 33,613
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    Exactly. Our cheese shop was required to put up a sign warning that all of their products contained milk. Of course had they sold vegan "cheese" that would not be the case.
    Veganism is an ideology and religion.

    It should be treated as such.
    Contempt?
    I don’t give it the time of day.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 1,275
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
  • kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    'moral' is for parties of opposition, practical politics means making announcements not during an election cycle.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 1,275

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    'moral' is for parties of opposition, practical politics means making announcements not during an election cycle.
    I have no idea what you are saying.
  • kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    Good post. I do not look at social care in the same light as HYUFD

    Boris has said he is seeking a cross party coalition to deal with the issue and that is not possible before April and the election of the new labour leader

    I understand Jess Phillips has already said she is open to a cross party solution and I expect it will be one of the first issues for the new labour leader to deal with
  • kjh said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    'moral' is for parties of opposition, practical politics means making announcements not during an election cycle.
    I have no idea what you are saying.
    You cannot do the moral thing if you arent in power.
  • Looks like the government have done a deal to save Flybe
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Second like Team Gobby Cow in Scotland.

    Edit: maybe not a sure thing after all.

    7th, like the number of years since indyref1 before Sturgeon faces an SNP leadership coup having surpassed even May in dithering and seen the Unionists take a majority at Holyrood
    You never got back to me about that fake tweet you were fluffing earlier on today.
    No fake tweet, and as the Wings website link I gave you shows and you completely ignored they have given up on Sturgeon

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/there-is-no-plan/
    Please show me the tweet again, just to confirm.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 33,613
    Homelessness seems a bit worse in London than it did a couple of years ago.

    A few more tents in underpasses and beggars coming into/out of Waterloo. And at Stratford. And at Westminster. None at Canary Wharf. They generally all look haggered and on something.

    I’d like some very objective citable facts about this (sources/links) rather than a festival of confirmation bias.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 1,275

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    'moral' is for parties of opposition, practical politics means making announcements not during an election cycle.
    I have no idea what you are saying.
    You cannot do the moral thing if you arent in power.
    Cheers. True.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    'moral' is for parties of opposition, practical politics means making announcements not during an election cycle.
    I have no idea what you are saying.
    You cannot do the moral thing if you arent in power.
    And the evidence suggests that you (not you personally) won't do the moral thing if you are in power. Where does that leave us?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    edited January 14

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    'moral' is for parties of opposition, practical politics means making announcements not during an election cycle.
    I have no idea what you are saying.
    You cannot do the moral thing if you arent in power.
    And they are, so they can, instead of putting off hard choices for fear of council seat losses. No party wants to lose council seats, but it will be 10 years into a Tory led government nationally, and as a price for fixing an issue that badly needs fixing?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    Good post. I do not look at social care in the same light as HYUFD

    Boris has said he is seeking a cross party coalition to deal with the issue and that is not possible before April and the election of the new labour leader

    I understand Jess Phillips has already said she is open to a cross party solution and I expect it will be one of the first issues for the new labour leader to deal with
    I cannot say I am optimistic. The parties wanted a cross party solution in 2017 too. I don't think a new Labour leader would be caught dead doing so, even Phillips proposed a citizens assembly as apparently that;s as close to working together as she would be able to manage.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 1,262
    edited January 14
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    Political parties are like football teams. Corbynite Labour opposed Blair/Brown, and Boris's Conservatives ran against the Cameron and May governments on austerity, police and of course Brexit. It ejected prominent members including two former Chancellors. Some members left but most remained. Just like football when a new manager sells the star midfielder, the fans stay loyal.
  • OT Admin -- we are back to the wide green bars taking up a third of the page.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 12,500

    What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?

    Another side effect of VAR...

    https://tinyurl.com/rnwoqcu
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 17,807

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    Political parties are like football teams. Corbynite Labour opposed Blair/Brown, and Boris's Conservatives ran against the Cameron and May governments on austerity, police and of course Brexit. It ejected prominent members including two former Chancellors. Some members left but most remained. Just like football when a new manager sells the star midfielder, the fans stay loyal.
    Another argument in favour of PR.
    You’d at least support a team whose policies you largely agree with...
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    On the subject of social care then I think it is perfectly possible to come to a deal that the public support. May messed the last one up through sheer incompetence, Boris needs to get the research done on what system of payments the voters are ok with. I firmly believe that the older generation understand that the young need to be taxed more if they get free social care or they need to chip in. I have had many discussions with my Dad that if this time comes what kind of care he wants and to make sure the funds are there to pay for it.

    My personal view is that some kind of percentage of the estate left at death should be levied for people that have had govt paid social care. This can be positioned as not taking the house just taking a percentage of the monies left and if the percentage is low enough that the children are also getting the bulk of the inheritance.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 79,777
    edited January 14
    tlg86 said:

    What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?

    Another side effect of VAR...

    https://tinyurl.com/rnwoqcu
    Tsk, the video not a still shows why Robertson didn't deserve a card.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 17,807

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    Exactly. Our cheese shop was required to put up a sign warning that all of their products contained milk. Of course had they sold vegan "cheese" that would not be the case.
    Veganism is an ideology and religion.

    It should be treated as such.
    Contempt?
    I don’t give it the time of day.
    All this anti-wokeness is every bit as tedious as wokeness.

    Veganism is a choice every bit as valid as voting Tory. And slightly more logical.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 12,500

    tlg86 said:

    What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?

    Another side effect of VAR...

    https://tinyurl.com/rnwoqcu
    Tsk, the video not a still shows why Robertson didn't deserve a card.
    I know, though he should have gone for kicking out later in the game. Arsenal have completely lost the plot over the last few years. It's only going to get worse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819
    edited January 14
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    We won on a manifesto of not taking the family home to pay for social care. End of conversation.

    Anything else can be decided by a cross party Royal Commission (personally I favour National Insurance yo pay for higher care costs but that is just my personal view)

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819
    edited January 14

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Second like Team Gobby Cow in Scotland.

    Edit: maybe not a sure thing after all.

    7th, like the number of years since indyref1 before Sturgeon faces an SNP leadership coup having surpassed even May in dithering and seen the Unionists take a majority at Holyrood
    You never got back to me about that fake tweet you were fluffing earlier on today.
    No fake tweet, and as the Wings website link I gave you shows and you completely ignored they have given up on Sturgeon

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/there-is-no-plan/
    Please show me the tweet again, just to confirm.
    Find it yourself, as a diehard Unionist their Twitter blocked me months ago but I linked to what was retweeted on what they said and as you yet again completely ignored the website link from their site today I posted why should I bother giving you links anyway?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 17,807
    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    We won on a manifesto of not taking the family home to pay for social care. End of conversation.

    Anything else can be decided by a cross party Royal Commission (personally I favour National Insurance yo pay for higher care costs but that is just my personal view)
    More likely is that you’ll carry on with the current massive underfunding. Boris is not one for wading through the weeds...
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 16,699

    @Cyclefree have a read of this

    The UK has failed to pass on the details of 75,000 convictions of foreign criminals to their home EU countries and concealed the scandal for fear of damaging Britain’s reputation in Europe’s capitals, the Guardian can reveal.

    The police national computer error went undetected for five years, during which one in three alerts on offenders – potentially including murderers and rapists – were not sent to EU member states.

    Authorities in EU countries were not informed of the crimes committed, the sentences given to their nationals by UK courts or the risk the convicted criminals posed to the public.

    Because the details were not passed on, dangerous offenders could have travelled back to their home countries without the normal notification to local authorities of their presence.

    Such is the scale of the scandal that the Home Office initially chose to conceal the embarrassing failure from EU partners.

    Minutes of an ACRO criminal records meeting last May state: “There is a nervousness from Home Office around sending the historical notifications out dating back to 2012 due to the reputational impact this could have.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/14/revealed-uk-concealed-failure-to-alert-eu-over-75000-criminal-convictions

    I have. Utterly shaming. Our police force and Home Office - and those in charge of them - are just so third rate. And we put up with it because we have such low expectations of what professionalism means.

    Not that it’s just these bodies. I may have mentioned the CPS. And there are plenty of other institutions that provide a shit service because they don’t care, don’t take any pride in their work, don’t have any sense of obligation or professional honour. And we don’t care either - so we underfund and don’t expect and demand the best. Low expectations do such damage to a country.

    I despair sometimes. I really do.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 1,946
    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    We won on a manifesto of not taking the family home to pay for social care. End of conversation.

    Anything else can be decided by a cross party Royal Commission (personally I favour National Insurance yo pay for higher care costs but that is just my personal view)

    Bloody hell HYUFD! I agree with you! I need a lie down.
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 555
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    Exactly. Our cheese shop was required to put up a sign warning that all of their products contained milk. Of course had they sold vegan "cheese" that would not be the case.
    Veganism is an ideology and religion.

    It should be treated as such.
    Contempt?
    I don’t give it the time of day.
    All this anti-wokeness is every bit as tedious as wokeness.

    Veganism is a choice every bit as valid as voting Tory. And slightly more logical.
    It’s the thin end of the wedge (if you’ll pardon the phrase). Sure, now it’s a lifestyle choice. But sooner or later one of these SoB’s is going to try to make it mandatory.

    You can have my Montgomery when you can prise it from my cold dead hands.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 1,262
    edited January 14

    On the subject of social care then I think it is perfectly possible to come to a deal that the public support. May messed the last one up through sheer incompetence, Boris needs to get the research done on what system of payments the voters are ok with. I firmly believe that the older generation understand that the young need to be taxed more if they get free social care or they need to chip in. I have had many discussions with my Dad that if this time comes what kind of care he wants and to make sure the funds are there to pay for it.

    My personal view is that some kind of percentage of the estate left at death should be levied for people that have had govt paid social care. This can be positioned as not taking the house just taking a percentage of the monies left and if the percentage is low enough that the children are also getting the bulk of the inheritance.

    May's proposals were nothing short of genius, or so we read here until she ditched them (back to the football teams analogy). The trouble is May never tried to persuade anyone her proposals were right, or at least better than what came before (and now). They were not even very well explained and of course they'd not been discused in advance so people were confused about whether May proposed a cap or a floor or something else. Her legacy is now politicians run scared of the issue.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 17,807
    Animal_pb said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    Exactly. Our cheese shop was required to put up a sign warning that all of their products contained milk. Of course had they sold vegan "cheese" that would not be the case.
    Veganism is an ideology and religion.

    It should be treated as such.
    Contempt?
    I don’t give it the time of day.
    All this anti-wokeness is every bit as tedious as wokeness.

    Veganism is a choice every bit as valid as voting Tory. And slightly more logical.
    It’s the thin end of the wedge (if you’ll pardon the phrase). Sure, now it’s a lifestyle choice. But sooner or later one of these SoB’s is going to try to make it mandatory.

    You can have my Montgomery when you can prise it from my cold dead hands.
    Anyone scared by vegans is the slushiest of snowflakes.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 33,546
    Animal_pb said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    Exactly. Our cheese shop was required to put up a sign warning that all of their products contained milk. Of course had they sold vegan "cheese" that would not be the case.
    Veganism is an ideology and religion.

    It should be treated as such.
    Contempt?
    I don’t give it the time of day.
    All this anti-wokeness is every bit as tedious as wokeness.

    Veganism is a choice every bit as valid as voting Tory. And slightly more logical.
    It’s the thin end of the wedge (if you’ll pardon the phrase). Sure, now it’s a lifestyle choice. But sooner or later one of these SoB’s is going to try to make it mandatory.

    You can have my Montgomery when you can prise it from my cold dead hands.
    Why would a vegan, or even a vegetarian like me, want to eat your cold dead hands? :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864
    edited January 14
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Second like Team Gobby Cow in Scotland.

    Edit: maybe not a sure thing after all.

    7th, like the number of years since indyref1 before Sturgeon faces an SNP leadership coup having surpassed even May in dithering and seen the Unionists take a majority at Holyrood
    You never got back to me about that fake tweet you were fluffing earlier on today.
    No fake tweet, and as the Wings website link I gave you shows and you completely ignored they have given up on Sturgeon

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/there-is-no-plan/
    Please show me the tweet again, just to confirm.
    Find it yourself, as a diehard Unionist their Twitter blocked me months ago but I linked to what was retweeted on what they said and as you yet again completely ignored the website link from their site today I posted why should I bother giving you links anyway?
    As was pointed out to you the WoS twitter account was suspended a month ago, so anything purporting to be a current tweet was a fake.

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they post fake tweets*, then you win.

    *I'm pretty sure you ultra Unionist chickenhawks and computer chair warriors don't have much fight in you, hence the constant running away.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,285
    Utterly disgraceful . Can one imagine what the UK press would have done if it had been another EU country which failed to inform the UK .

  • MrsBMrsB Posts: 573
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Maybe he did have a plan on the day he become PM, it's just that it was shit?
    That plan in full:

    a) no one should have to sell your home

    b) Somebody has to pay for it

    c) Er... that's it so far.
    Great plan, stick go it Boris, after their antics of 2017 do not give Labour an inch, if they want to take political suicide that is up to them, otherwise wait for a Royal cross party Commission
    you do know the Tories are in charge and therefore they have to take some action to set up that Royal Commission, don't you? It won't magically appear by itself.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864
    nico67 said:

    Utterly disgraceful . Can one imagine what the UK press would have done if it had been another EU country which failed to inform the UK .

    Farage would have been on QT ranting and raving about it afore you could say corrupt EUSSR.
  • FlannerFlanner Posts: 225

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    Political parties are like football teams. Corbynite Labour opposed Blair/Brown, and Boris's Conservatives ran against the Cameron and May governments on austerity, police and of course Brexit. It ejected prominent members including two former Chancellors. Some members left but most remained. Just like football when a new manager sells the star midfielder, the fans stay loyal.
    The ONLY point of having a large majority is to use it at the beginning of the session to do things you daren't do at the end.

    And that's especially true of a policy that affects your core voters.

    The political truth about dementia - which Tory activists are too out of touch to understand - is that current policies don't particularly hurt the poorest. If you've got no assets - and in 2017, 37% of the population lived in a home they didn't own - you get your social care for free: you're not worried about losing your home if you're renting. If you're worth a few million, you can afford to pay any dementia tax anyway.

    The people today's dither hits worst are averagely to slightly above averagely affluent pensioners. The people most terrified about losing their home voted Tory.

    When Tory activists bleat about the unpopularity of a proper social policy, they don't mean it'd be unpopular among Tory voters. They mean it'd be unpopular among Tory activists.

    They truly are the stupid party
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 17,807
    isam said:
    But what about sucking up to fat arses ?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 17,784
    edited January 14
    From earlier this morning on Picard preaching etc...

    I think the new series may inadvertently end up arguing for the very thing they are writing against. Marvel (comics) tried that with Captain America and it didn't go well for them, lots of people agreeing with red skull. This time we may see a lot of people end up agreeing with the isolationism that Picard is trying to fight against.


  • MrsBMrsB Posts: 573
    The news from Manchester is depressing. The older I get, the less faith I have that anyone in authority is competent, or cares enough to worry that they aren't. And to be fair to me, there is plenty of evidence to support that view.
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 555

    Animal_pb said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Animal_pb said:

    kle4 said:

    In fairness, sometimes the man is just plain right.

    Ever heard of vegan cheese Boris?

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/review/best-vegan-cheese;

    ,
    Vegan 'cheese' is an abomination. It's not cheese.
    Exactly. Our cheese shop was required to put up a sign warning that all of their products contained milk. Of course had they sold vegan "cheese" that would not be the case.
    Veganism is an ideology and religion.

    It should be treated as such.
    Contempt?
    I don’t give it the time of day.
    All this anti-wokeness is every bit as tedious as wokeness.

    Veganism is a choice every bit as valid as voting Tory. And slightly more logical.
    It’s the thin end of the wedge (if you’ll pardon the phrase). Sure, now it’s a lifestyle choice. But sooner or later one of these SoB’s is going to try to make it mandatory.

    You can have my Montgomery when you can prise it from my cold dead hands.
    Why would a vegan, or even a vegetarian like me, want to eat your cold dead hands? :)
    Well, they can’t be worse than the stuff they eat right now. :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864
    Llafur Cymru more principled than SLab shock.

  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 305
    Flanner said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    Political parties are like football teams. Corbynite Labour opposed Blair/Brown, and Boris's Conservatives ran against the Cameron and May governments on austerity, police and of course Brexit. It ejected prominent members including two former Chancellors. Some members left but most remained. Just like football when a new manager sells the star midfielder, the fans stay loyal.
    The ONLY point of having a large majority is to use it at the beginning of the session to do things you daren't do at the end.

    And that's especially true of a policy that affects your core voters.

    The political truth about dementia - which Tory activists are too out of touch to understand - is that current policies don't particularly hurt the poorest. If you've got no assets - and in 2017, 37% of the population lived in a home they didn't own - you get your social care for free: you're not worried about losing your home if you're renting. If you're worth a few million, you can afford to pay any dementia tax anyway.

    The people today's dither hits worst are averagely to slightly above averagely affluent pensioners. The people most terrified about losing their home voted Tory.

    When Tory activists bleat about the unpopularity of a proper social policy, they don't mean it'd be unpopular among Tory voters. They mean it'd be unpopular among Tory activists.

    They truly are the stupid party
    Imagine losing in a landslide to the stupid party! :wink:
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 16,699
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 232

    Flanner said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given the experience of election 2017 and the dementia tax proposal any political party which proposes any major changes on it faces political suicide, so no surprise there
    80 seat majority with five years. Now is the time to do something.
    Nope, we Tory activists do not want a new poll tax or dementia tax thanks with local council elections in May and nor does Boris
    HYUFD I can understand you not wanting these if you think they are wrong, but not wanting them because it would cost you council seats is not moral. What is the point of getting into power if you aren't going to do stuff that you think is right. Political parties are not football teams. The objective is to do stuff not just to win. What is the point of that?
    Political parties are like football teams. Corbynite Labour opposed Blair/Brown, and Boris's Conservatives ran against the Cameron and May governments on austerity, police and of course Brexit. It ejected prominent members including two former Chancellors. Some members left but most remained. Just like football when a new manager sells the star midfielder, the fans stay loyal.
    The ONLY point of having a large majority is to use it at the beginning of the session to do things you daren't do at the end.

    And that's especially true of a policy that affects your core voters.

    The political truth about dementia - which Tory activists are too out of touch to understand - is that current policies don't particularly hurt the poorest. If you've got no assets - and in 2017, 37% of the population lived in a home they didn't own - you get your social care for free: you're not worried about losing your home if you're renting. If you're worth a few million, you can afford to pay any dementia tax anyway.

    The people today's dither hits worst are averagely to slightly above averagely affluent pensioners. The people most terrified about losing their home voted Tory.

    When Tory activists bleat about the unpopularity of a proper social policy, they don't mean it'd be unpopular among Tory voters. They mean it'd be unpopular among Tory activists.

    They truly are the stupid party
    Imagine losing in a landslide to the stupid party! :wink:
    Must be the Stupider Party, although indications are the it's the Stupidest Possible Party.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 232
    Cyclefree said:
    Do you need workers to have a Trade Union?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,285

    nico67 said:

    Utterly disgraceful . Can one imagine what the UK press would have done if it had been another EU country which failed to inform the UK .

    Farage would have been on QT ranting and raving about it afore you could say corrupt EUSSR.
    Added to the violations of the Schengen Information System then the EU must be thinking what on earth is going on . I thought if there’s one thing you might be able to rely on is the UK not trashing its reputation on security matters .

    Even that now is in tatters across the EU.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 16,699
    alterego said:

    Cyclefree said:
    Do you need workers to have a Trade Union?
    If there aren’t any workers what’s the point of the trade union?
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,626
    edited January 14
    Cyclefree said:
    Of course there are. Whether they are members of the NUM (which I thought had become part of another Union) is a different question.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 5,350
    Cyclefree said:
    Wikipedia says the NUM had a membership of 100 in 2015 and 750 in 2016, so it must be one of the fastest-growing unions in the country.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 232
    Cyclefree said:

    alterego said:

    Cyclefree said:
    Do you need workers to have a Trade Union?
    If there aren’t any workers what’s the point of the trade union?
    To vote in Labour elections
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 232
    edited January 14
    Chris said:

    Cyclefree said:
    Wikipedia says the NUM had a membership of 100 in 2015 and 750 in 2016, so it must be one of the fastest-growing unions in the country.
    It's all relatives. If you've got funds .....
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?

    Another side effect of VAR...

    https://tinyurl.com/rnwoqcu
    Tsk, the video not a still shows why Robertson didn't deserve a card.
    I know, though he should have gone for kicking out later in the game. Arsenal have completely lost the plot over the last few years. It's only going to get worse.
    Robertson's shithousery has become a bit more pronounced this season, I think this was him at his best, ruffling Messi's hair on that night.

  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 906
    Cyclefree said:

    alterego said:

    Cyclefree said:
    Do you need workers to have a Trade Union?
    If there aren’t any workers what’s the point of the trade union?
    it's become a support mechanism for former miners
  • isamisam Posts: 29,895
    Not sure if this can be viewed by non-facebookers, but sad as it may be to admit, this compilation of adverts made me quite emotional

    https://www.facebook.com/OnlyFoolsandLegends/videos/481590492503620/
  • I'm currently viewing 1917 (film) at the cinema.
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