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The Conservatives secured a thumping mandate at the general election, getting 365 MPs in the new Parliament, up from the 317 that Theresa May managed in 2017. This increase of 48, however, actually masks a much greater turnover. 109 of those 365 MPs were not in the last Parliament. More than one sixth of the new Parliament is comprised of new Conservative MPs.

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  • FishingFishing Posts: 654
    First on my own thread. Does that count?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 33,546
    Second!

    (Nice analysis by the way!)
  • What he said.
  • From OP: two are spouses of the previous MP and one is the daughter of a previous candidate. One MP is the son of Patrick Mayhew and another is the niece of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

    Glad to see it is not just Labour where Lloyd George knew my father.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 33,004
    Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.
  • Access to the linked table denied.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 28,729
    So 99 new MPs in a single party, must be the biggest influx since 1997 I would have thought. According to this 140 new MPs overall and a substantial increase in representation by ethnic minorities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50808536

    As I said at the time of the election Boris has not just won 48 additional seats, he has won large numbers of seats back from both former members of the party and internal dissidents. He truly is master of all he surveys for good or ill.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 9,760

    Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.

    I agree. I do look forward to a much closer trading relationship though. It caused genuine poverty that New Zealand has never fully recovered from when we joined the EU.
  • Tory Party looking very diverse and really representative of modern Britain
  • DavidL said:

    So 99 new MPs in a single party, must be the biggest influx since 1997 I would have thought. According to this 140 new MPs overall and a substantial increase in representation by ethnic minorities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50808536

    As I said at the time of the election Boris has not just won 48 additional seats, he has won large numbers of seats back from both former members of the party and internal dissidents. He truly is master of all he surveys for good or ill.

    No, Dave (pbuh) saw a bigger influx in 2010.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 33,613

    Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.

    Weren’t New Zealand and Australia built on low-skilled Poms arriving?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 943

    Access to the linked table denied.

    Must be denied to left of centre posters, it works fine for me!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 12,500

    From OP: two are spouses of the previous MP and one is the daughter of a previous candidate. One MP is the son of Patrick Mayhew and another is the niece of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

    Glad to see it is not just Labour where Lloyd George knew my father.

    The two spouses becoming MPs is frankly weird.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 33,004

    Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.

    Weren’t New Zealand and Australia built on low-skilled Poms arriving?

    They were - and the Irish, of course. But that’s not where they’re at now.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 28,598
    tlg86 said:

    From OP: two are spouses of the previous MP and one is the daughter of a previous candidate. One MP is the son of Patrick Mayhew and another is the niece of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

    Glad to see it is not just Labour where Lloyd George knew my father.

    The two spouses becoming MPs is frankly weird.
    One is, one isn’t.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864
    No percentage for those who've dabbled with antisemitic & Islamophobic memes? Perhaps that's for part 2.
  • No percentage for those who've dabbled with antisemitic & Islamophobic memes? Perhaps that's for part 2.

    Did that SNP candidate who did similar get elected?
  • On topic, excellent work chaps.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883

    DavidL said:

    So 99 new MPs in a single party, must be the biggest influx since 1997 I would have thought. According to this 140 new MPs overall and a substantial increase in representation by ethnic minorities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50808536

    As I said at the time of the election Boris has not just won 48 additional seats, he has won large numbers of seats back from both former members of the party and internal dissidents. He truly is master of all he surveys for good or ill.

    No, Dave (pbuh) saw a bigger influx in 2010.
    That change was after 13 years out of Govt. Boris has overseen a massive change in the Conservative Party whilst in Downing Street.
  • Broxtowe's Darren Henry is missing from the doc.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 25,389
    Faf du Plessis confirms his reputation as the world’s third most useless tosser.

    At 2 we have Mark Francois.

    And no. 1 is, of course, Mr Richard Burgon.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 33,613

    Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.

    Weren’t New Zealand and Australia built on low-skilled Poms arriving?

    They were - and the Irish, of course. But that’s not where they’re at now.

    It was the same argument adopted by defenders of free movement into the UK from Europe now.

    Personally, I think it’s a lot of fuss about nothing. They are both a very long way away, expensive to get to and I can’t see reams of Brits trekking out there.

    How many apply for visas now who are of working age, and how many are rejected?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883

    No percentage for those who've dabbled with antisemitic & Islamophobic memes? Perhaps that's for part 2.

    Part 2 will no doubt tell us how many are likely to go against the PM when he says no further referendum for at least this Parliament. I wonder if it will be a number distinguishable from zero?

    The Scottish voters will have five years to focus on delivery by their own Govt. Perhaps after that they will decide they need a whole lot of new faces too.
  • DavidL said:

    So 99 new MPs in a single party, must be the biggest influx since 1997 I would have thought. According to this 140 new MPs overall and a substantial increase in representation by ethnic minorities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50808536

    As I said at the time of the election Boris has not just won 48 additional seats, he has won large numbers of seats back from both former members of the party and internal dissidents. He truly is master of all he surveys for good or ill.

    No, Dave (pbuh) saw a bigger influx in 2010.
    That change was after 13 years out of Govt. Boris has overseen a massive change in the Conservative Party whilst in Downing Street.
    Indeed. The Stalinist purge everyone feared from Labour came from the Conservatives. With hindsight, David Cameron had sacked MPs caught up in the expenses row who had not gone to the right schools, and didn't Michael Howard drop a candidate for some inconvenient Thatcherite pronouncement?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 25,389
    edited January 16

    DavidL said:

    So 99 new MPs in a single party, must be the biggest influx since 1997 I would have thought. According to this 140 new MPs overall and a substantial increase in representation by ethnic minorities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50808536

    As I said at the time of the election Boris has not just won 48 additional seats, he has won large numbers of seats back from both former members of the party and internal dissidents. He truly is master of all he surveys for good or ill.

    No, Dave (pbuh) saw a bigger influx in 2010.
    That change was after 13 years out of Govt. Boris has overseen a massive change in the Conservative Party whilst in Downing Street.
    Indeed. The Stalinist purge everyone feared from Labour came from the Conservatives. With hindsight, David Cameron had sacked MPs caught up in the expenses row who had not gone to the right schools, and didn't Michael Howard drop a candidate for some inconvenient Thatcherite pronouncement?
    Howard Flight, MP for Arundel.

    He also sacked his Higher Education spokesman for lying about an affair. That person had been tipped as a future leader, but even then it was becoming obvious he was a bit of an idiot.

    Does anyone know what happened to him? He had some long and unpronounceable name, but I think the gist was Alexander Johnson.

    Edit - Labour under Corbyn went for the Khrushchyevka option. They got voted out by other people after a series of epic and embarrassing fuckups.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864

    No percentage for those who've dabbled with antisemitic & Islamophobic memes? Perhaps that's for part 2.

    Did that SNP candidate who did similar get elected?
    Suspended from the SNP before, during and after. I believe the Tory party took the ballsy decision to 'look into' allegations, though I imagine that's very much in the Nelsonian sense.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883

    DavidL said:

    So 99 new MPs in a single party, must be the biggest influx since 1997 I would have thought. According to this 140 new MPs overall and a substantial increase in representation by ethnic minorities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50808536

    As I said at the time of the election Boris has not just won 48 additional seats, he has won large numbers of seats back from both former members of the party and internal dissidents. He truly is master of all he surveys for good or ill.

    No, Dave (pbuh) saw a bigger influx in 2010.
    That change was after 13 years out of Govt. Boris has overseen a massive change in the Conservative Party whilst in Downing Street.
    Indeed. The Stalinist purge everyone feared from Labour came from the Conservatives. With hindsight, David Cameron had sacked MPs caught up in the expenses row who had not gone to the right schools, and didn't Michael Howard drop a candidate for some inconvenient Thatcherite pronouncement?
    It wasn't that Boris had the Europhile headbangers rounded up and shot at dead of night, so much as they chose to self-immolate. Or go for suicide by voter.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864

    No percentage for those who've dabbled with antisemitic & Islamophobic memes? Perhaps that's for part 2.

    Part 2 will no doubt tell us how many are likely to go against the PM when he says no further referendum for at least this Parliament. I wonder if it will be a number distinguishable from zero?

    The Scottish voters will have five years to focus on delivery by their own Govt. Perhaps after that they will decide they need a whole lot of new faces too.
    Hope for terminated SNP honeymoons springs eternal in Yoon hearts! How did that go for ya in the last 13 years?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 4,812

    No percentage for those who've dabbled with antisemitic & Islamophobic memes? Perhaps that's for part 2.

    Part 2 will no doubt tell us how many are likely to go against the PM when he says no further referendum for at least this Parliament. I wonder if it will be a number distinguishable from zero?

    The Scottish voters will have five years to focus on delivery by their own Govt. Perhaps after that they will decide they need a whole lot of new faces too.
    Hope for terminated SNP honeymoons springs eternal in Yoon hearts! How did that go for ya in the last 13 years?
    Nationalism is a toxic ideology. Eventually it will turn on itself in Scotland.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 4,812

    Tory Party looking very diverse and really representative of modern Britain

    As a one time Tory Party activist I have to say that is the funniest, most ludicrous thing I have ever seen posted on here.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 4,812

    From OP: two are spouses of the previous MP and one is the daughter of a previous candidate. One MP is the son of Patrick Mayhew and another is the niece of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

    Glad to see it is not just Labour where Lloyd George knew my father.

    I suppose it still looks bad, but perhaps not as bad as Labour that pretends it does not approve of the hereditary principle.
  • I know that the list of new Tory MPs is supposed to contain lots of noteworthy information, but my first thought is there has been a lot of horrible people been elected.
  • eekeek Posts: 6,900

    Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.

    Weren’t New Zealand and Australia built on low-skilled Poms arriving?
    Nope, it was built on Poms arriving some of whom were low-skilled.

    The idea that any country is willingly going to accept low-skilled workers on working visas is a fantasy - heck we left the EU because we didn't like it.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 17,358
    ydoethur said:

    Faf du Plessis confirms his reputation as the world’s third most useless tosser.

    At 2 we have Mark Francois.

    And no. 1 is, of course, Mr Richard Burgon.

    Bit of a toss-up between Burgon and Francois for first place, isn't it?
  • Tory Party looking very diverse and really representative of modern Britain

    As a one time Tory Party activist I have to say that is the funniest, most ludicrous thing I have ever seen posted on here.
    I hope Battery was being tongue-in-cheek
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 17,807

    ydoethur said:

    Faf du Plessis confirms his reputation as the world’s third most useless tosser.

    At 2 we have Mark Francois.

    And no. 1 is, of course, Mr Richard Burgon.

    Bit of a toss-up between Burgon and Francois for first place, isn't it?
    Francois has actually contrived, by accident or design, to be on the winning side, so Burgon must get the nod.

    Cracking article from M&F - and at first glance, a fairly unprepossessing group of newbies.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 5,907
    Fishing said:

    First on my own thread. Does that count?

    No.It is a bit sad
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883

    No percentage for those who've dabbled with antisemitic & Islamophobic memes? Perhaps that's for part 2.

    Part 2 will no doubt tell us how many are likely to go against the PM when he says no further referendum for at least this Parliament. I wonder if it will be a number distinguishable from zero?

    The Scottish voters will have five years to focus on delivery by their own Govt. Perhaps after that they will decide they need a whole lot of new faces too.
    Hope for terminated SNP honeymoons springs eternal in Yoon hearts! How did that go for ya in the last 13 years?
    Keep running on the spot, Wile E Coyote, and you'll never crash into the canyon floor below....

    Comes a time when political gravity catches up even with the SNP.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883

    I know that the list of new Tory MPs is supposed to contain lots of noteworthy information, but my first thought is there has been a lot of horrible people been elected.

    On the basis of this article? Really?

    I'd suggest you at least wait until part 2, when they dig a little deeper!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 17,358

    From OP: two are spouses of the previous MP and one is the daughter of a previous candidate. One MP is the son of Patrick Mayhew and another is the niece of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

    Glad to see it is not just Labour where Lloyd George knew my father.

    I suppose it still looks bad, but perhaps not as bad as Labour that pretends it does not approve of the hereditary principle.
    I have often felt that children following their parents into any activity risks inviting invidious comparison.

    Secondly, I wonder what Mrs Elphicke will do if Mr Elphicke is found not guilty!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 25,921

    Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.

    I agree. I do look forward to a much closer trading relationship though. It caused genuine poverty that New Zealand has never fully recovered from when we joined the EU.
    Yes shipping goods 11,000 miles will be a great way to improve our trade , we really need those sheep and apples.
  • I know that the list of new Tory MPs is supposed to contain lots of noteworthy information, but my first thought is there has been a lot of horrible people been elected.

    On the basis of this article? Really?

    I'd suggest you at least wait until part 2, when they dig a little deeper!
    I was referring to the contents of the spreadsheet, specifically the remarks about foodbanks and "living in tents".
  • DavidL said:

    So 99 new MPs in a single party, must be the biggest influx since 1997 I would have thought. According to this 140 new MPs overall and a substantial increase in representation by ethnic minorities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50808536

    As I said at the time of the election Boris has not just won 48 additional seats, he has won large numbers of seats back from both former members of the party and internal dissidents. He truly is master of all he surveys for good or ill.

    No, Dave (pbuh) saw a bigger influx in 2010.
    That change was after 13 years out of Govt. Boris has overseen a massive change in the Conservative Party whilst in Downing Street.
    Indeed. The Stalinist purge everyone feared from Labour came from the Conservatives. With hindsight, David Cameron had sacked MPs caught up in the expenses row who had not gone to the right schools, and didn't Michael Howard drop a candidate for some inconvenient Thatcherite pronouncement?
    It wasn't that Boris had the Europhile headbangers rounded up and shot at dead of night, so much as they chose to self-immolate. Or go for suicide by voter.
    Boris falsely declared a vote to be a matter of confidence and used this as an excuse to sling out MPs who disagreed with him (or really agreed with him if the conspiracy theorists were right that Boris is a Remainer who'd hoped to narrowly lose the referendum).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 17,807

    Fishing said:

    First on my own thread. Does that count?

    No.It is a bit sad
    Wow, there's gratitude. :smile:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 79,777
    edited January 16

    Fishing said:

    First on my own thread. Does that count?

    No.It is a bit sad
    Nah, it’s only sad if you’re first on a thread you’ve pressed the publish button on.

    Something I’ve never done, if anyone says otherwise then they are perpetuating fake news.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864

    No percentage for those who've dabbled with antisemitic & Islamophobic memes? Perhaps that's for part 2.

    Part 2 will no doubt tell us how many are likely to go against the PM when he says no further referendum for at least this Parliament. I wonder if it will be a number distinguishable from zero?

    The Scottish voters will have five years to focus on delivery by their own Govt. Perhaps after that they will decide they need a whole lot of new faces too.
    Hope for terminated SNP honeymoons springs eternal in Yoon hearts! How did that go for ya in the last 13 years?
    Nationalism is a toxic ideology. Eventually it will turn on itself in Scotland.
    Well, the Britnat parties certainly seem to be circling the lavvy pan.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 17,807
    edited January 16

    DavidL said:

    So 99 new MPs in a single party, must be the biggest influx since 1997 I would have thought. According to this 140 new MPs overall and a substantial increase in representation by ethnic minorities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50808536

    As I said at the time of the election Boris has not just won 48 additional seats, he has won large numbers of seats back from both former members of the party and internal dissidents. He truly is master of all he surveys for good or ill.

    No, Dave (pbuh) saw a bigger influx in 2010.
    That change was after 13 years out of Govt. Boris has overseen a massive change in the Conservative Party whilst in Downing Street.
    Indeed. The Stalinist purge everyone feared from Labour came from the Conservatives. With hindsight, David Cameron had sacked MPs caught up in the expenses row who had not gone to the right schools, and didn't Michael Howard drop a candidate for some inconvenient Thatcherite pronouncement?
    It wasn't that Boris had the Europhile headbangers rounded up and shot at dead of night, so much as they chose to self-immolate. Or go for suicide by voter.
    Boris falsely declared a vote to be a matter of confidence and used this as an excuse to sling out MPs who disagreed with him (or really agreed with him if the conspiracy theorists were right that Boris is a Remainer who'd hoped to narrowly lose the referendum).
    It's hardly worth arguing about now.
    Johnson has ensured he can remake in his own image (whatever that is), and he will in time be judged on that.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 1,225
    Interesting article about how uniform and apparently dull they all are. Thank you. There are very good reasons for Tory MPs to lie low and suck up quietly to those in charge. Division of any sort can yield no fruit at the moment. But as the government is engaged on a Brexit process whose outcome can range from very good to absolute destruction and impoverishment of the UK as we know it, wait and see is the only rational response. At the moment all other issues are trivial compared to this.

    It is also the case that how good the outcome is is not particularly within the UK's gift, and MPs can make no difference either to the approach the government has, nor that of our friends, rivals and enemies.

    Supporting Boris and leave is a sine qua non of course. Beyond that an ambitious new MP would leave as few hostages as possible lying around.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 28,598
    The single most interesting thing that I've learned from the exercise is that @Fishing has far more eyecatching travel destinations than I do.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 14,013
    tlg86 said:

    From OP: two are spouses of the previous MP and one is the daughter of a previous candidate. One MP is the son of Patrick Mayhew and another is the niece of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

    Glad to see it is not just Labour where Lloyd George knew my father.

    The two spouses becoming MPs is frankly weird.
    Not really, nor are the offspring. It never occurs to most people to consider standing for Parliament, any more than getting into orbital satellite launches in their teens or taking up astrology as a profession (both of which have happened in my rather diverse family). If you have members of your family who have done it, you are far more likely to consider it yourself.

    Similarly, selectorates are naturally a bit curious about what X's son/daughter/spouse is like, so they're more likely to get consideration and a short-listing. Perhaps they shouldn't, but it's not unnatural for e.g. fans of Tony Benn to have had an interested look at Stephen's CV.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883

    The single most interesting thing that I've learned from the exercise is that @Fishing has far more eyecatching travel destinations than I do.

    Dogger Bank? Western Approaches?
  • eekeek Posts: 6,900
    What a surprise - no-one in London wants to leave even though the quality of life up North especially in Newcastle, Manchester or even Leeds would be at least equal if not better than London.

    * Priority given to Cities with decent non-bus transport links.
  • eekeek Posts: 6,900
    edited January 16
    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 654

    The single most interesting thing that I've learned from the exercise is that @Fishing has far more eyecatching travel destinations than I do.

    Dogger Bank? Western Approaches?
    Currently Guatemala since you ask.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 57,131
    edited January 16
    eek said:

    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Everywhere should be unitary, the duplication of effort on websites/buildings and generally for two tier authorities is an expense (And carbon emissions) we can not afford in these straitened times.
    Where I am it should be North Nottinghamshire; Nottingham; South Nottinghamshire.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 5,907
    Operational note
    Anybody who tried to download the table before 7am would have had problems because the Google docs link was not shareable. This has been fixed
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883
    Fishing said:

    The single most interesting thing that I've learned from the exercise is that @Fishing has far more eyecatching travel destinations than I do.

    Dogger Bank? Western Approaches?
    Currently Guatemala since you ask.
    Nice. Central America and the Caribbean are my least visted parts of the world. Trinidad for a day is the sum total.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 2,040
    Eek. The climate in Leeds and Manchester is shite. Newcastle, shite but less so. This is a major detriment on quality of life there.

    London has a pretty great climate April to October and is a great place to live if you have some money.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 2,040
    eek said:

    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Eek. The climate in Leeds and Manchester is shite. Newcastle, shite but less so. This is a major detriment on quality of life there.

    London has a pretty great climate April to October and is a great place to live if you have some money.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 2,040
    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Everywhere should be unitary, the duplication of effort on websites/buildings and generally for two tier authorities is an expense (And carbon emissions) we can not afford in these straitened times.
    Where I am it should be North Nottinghamshire; Nottingham; South Nottinghamshire.
    Indeed, although not on the current boundaries. Nottingham City is a complete nonsense, the boundaries must be extended to the west and the south to capture its functional area.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 2,040

    As forecast by me yesterday. LOL.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 1,275
    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Everywhere should be unitary, the duplication of effort on websites/buildings and generally for two tier authorities is an expense (And carbon emissions) we can not afford in these straitened times.
    Where I am it should be North Nottinghamshire; Nottingham; South Nottinghamshire.
    Agree 100%.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 654

    Fishing said:

    The single most interesting thing that I've learned from the exercise is that @Fishing has far more eyecatching travel destinations than I do.

    Dogger Bank? Western Approaches?
    Currently Guatemala since you ask.
    Nice. Central America and the Caribbean are my least visted parts of the world. Trinidad for a day is the sum total.
    Well I've done Panama to Guatemala on this trip and it has been fun. Gave me the time to help Mr Meeks with this thread. Nicaragua and Guatemala have been the best.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 2,040
    Surprised to hear that one end of St George's Park is called the Duck Pond End.

    I found that mildly amusing for some reason.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 654

    Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.

    I agree. I do look forward to a much closer trading relationship though. It caused genuine poverty that New Zealand has never fully recovered from when we joined the EU.
    Polling indicates a high degree of enthusiasm for freedom of movement between Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand:

    https://www.canzukinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/CANZUK-International-National-Regional-Polling-2018.pdf
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 32
    eek said:

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Even if you are the county town then there can be issues -- one source of resentment in Cambridge is that many things affecting the city are controlled by the Cambridgeshire county council, but the county council is controlled by the tories, none of whose councillors represent city wards (because the city proper firmly votes either Labour or LD). So when the county makes decisions on matters that primarily affect the city (like whether to keep the streetlights on!) it can feel like control being imposed externally.
  • eekeek Posts: 6,900

    eek said:

    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Eek. The climate in Leeds and Manchester is shite. Newcastle, shite but less so. This is a major detriment on quality of life there.

    London has a pretty great climate April to October and is a great place to live if you have some money.
    I have money - I wouldn't have it if I was paying a mortgage down south.

    The £20,000 or so I save a year (generous estimate it probably be higher) does wonders for my pension and holiday choices.
  • Header says 109 new Conservative MPs but I can only count 107 on the Wikipedia list of all MPs, and ConHome also says 107.
  • houndtanghoundtang Posts: 381
    Who are the two spouses?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 2,040
    eek said:

    eek said:

    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Eek. The climate in Leeds and Manchester is shite. Newcastle, shite but less so. This is a major detriment on quality of life there.

    London has a pretty great climate April to October and is a great place to live if you have some money.
    I have money - I wouldn't have it if I was paying a mortgage down south.

    The £20,000 or so I save a year (generous estimate it probably be higher) does wonders for my pension and holiday choices.
    The cost of living is balanced by higher salaries. London has the highest household disposable income of any region in the UK. It's not even that close.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/regionalaccounts/grossdisposablehouseholdincome/bulletins/regionalgrossdisposablehouseholdincomegdhi/1997to2017#main-points
  • eekeek Posts: 6,900

    eek said:

    eek said:

    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Eek. The climate in Leeds and Manchester is shite. Newcastle, shite but less so. This is a major detriment on quality of life there.

    London has a pretty great climate April to October and is a great place to live if you have some money.
    I have money - I wouldn't have it if I was paying a mortgage down south.

    The £20,000 or so I save a year (generous estimate it probably be higher) does wonders for my pension and holiday choices.
    The cost of living is balanced by higher salaries. London has the highest household disposable income of any region in the UK. It's not even that close.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/regionalaccounts/grossdisposablehouseholdincome/bulletins/regionalgrossdisposablehouseholdincomegdhi/1997to2017#main-points
    And if you can earn the same salary from anywhere in the UK why would you live in London?

    Granted I'm lucky but the current market rate for my skill set in London, Glasgow or anywhere is £100k(plus) + full expenses. If anything rates outside London are higher as the people just don't exist.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 7,616
    They all look fine to me except for that one with blonde hair at the front. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Dodgy type. You can just tell.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 30,093
    edited January 16
    I have not been posting much recently due to my household diy duties but I see RLB is top of todays survation poll for labour leader

    It is a matter for labour members and supporters to choose their leader but are they really going to install Corbyn MK2 in office and consign themselves either to decades in opposition or more likely split the party
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 7,616

    Header says 109 new Conservative MPs but I can only count 107 on the Wikipedia list of all MPs, and ConHome also says 107.

    Yes, it was bad enough without adding any more. Let's say 107.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883
    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Eek. The climate in Leeds and Manchester is shite. Newcastle, shite but less so. This is a major detriment on quality of life there.

    London has a pretty great climate April to October and is a great place to live if you have some money.
    I have money - I wouldn't have it if I was paying a mortgage down south.

    The £20,000 or so I save a year (generous estimate it probably be higher) does wonders for my pension and holiday choices.
    The cost of living is balanced by higher salaries. London has the highest household disposable income of any region in the UK. It's not even that close.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/regionalaccounts/grossdisposablehouseholdincome/bulletins/regionalgrossdisposablehouseholdincomegdhi/1997to2017#main-points
    And if you can earn the same salary from anywhere in the UK why would you live in London?

    Granted I'm lucky but the current market rate for my skill set in London, Glasgow or anywhere is £100k(plus) + full expenses. If anything rates outside London are higher as the people just don't exist.
    That is a very sweet spot to be in.

    Visiting London on expenses from time to time whilst living somewhere with a vastly superior quality of life really is living the dream.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883
    kinabalu said:

    They all look fine to me except for that one with blonde hair at the front. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Dodgy type. You can just tell.

    Boris is not tall. The new intake must all be short arses, or they have banished anybody over five foot six to the staircase.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 15,866
    Here's one northern MP who isn't campaigning for HS2:


  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 7,616
    Nigelb said:

    It's hardly worth arguing about now.
    Johnson has ensured he can remake in his own image (whatever that is), and he will in time be judged on that.

    Yes indeed. We may be a small group but we are not for turning.

    Boris Johnson. The PM.

    Johnson.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 4,329
    Fishing said:

    Fishing said:

    The single most interesting thing that I've learned from the exercise is that @Fishing has far more eyecatching travel destinations than I do.

    Dogger Bank? Western Approaches?
    Currently Guatemala since you ask.
    Nice. Central America and the Caribbean are my least visted parts of the world. Trinidad for a day is the sum total.
    Well I've done Panama to Guatemala on this trip and it has been fun. Gave me the time to help Mr Meeks with this thread. Nicaragua and Guatemala have been the best.
    In the 90s there used to be a whorehouse in Panama that also had a go-kart track. Mine had blocked jets in the carb.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819
    Certainly plenty of former councillors and ex SPADS there in the new Tory intake.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 2,040
    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Eek. The climate in Leeds and Manchester is shite. Newcastle, shite but less so. This is a major detriment on quality of life there.

    London has a pretty great climate April to October and is a great place to live if you have some money.
    I have money - I wouldn't have it if I was paying a mortgage down south.

    The £20,000 or so I save a year (generous estimate it probably be higher) does wonders for my pension and holiday choices.
    The cost of living is balanced by higher salaries. London has the highest household disposable income of any region in the UK. It's not even that close.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/regionalaccounts/grossdisposablehouseholdincome/bulletins/regionalgrossdisposablehouseholdincomegdhi/1997to2017#main-points
    And if you can earn the same salary from anywhere in the UK why would you live in London?

    Granted I'm lucky but the current market rate for my skill set in London, Glasgow or anywhere is £100k(plus) + full expenses. If anything rates outside London are higher as the people just don't exist.
    Then good for you. But accept that you are in a remarkably unusual circumstance. The general point – that cash-in-pocket and quality of life in northern cities is better than in London is a classic PB myth: it is simply not borne out by the evidence.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819

    Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.

    Weren’t New Zealand and Australia built on low-skilled Poms arriving?

    They were - and the Irish, of course. But that’s not where they’re at now.

    New Zealand has a lower GDP per capita than the UK unlike Australia, so it would actually benefit their workers more than ours anyway, unlike Australia
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883
    There are plenty of MPs whose mums are cursing their amateur positioning in that photo.

    "Where are YOU?" The guy on the top of the right side staircase glimpsed behind the lady in the green jacket can at least point to something, as he hands over the magnifying glass. Pity the poor sod behind the right-hand stag finial though, who only has his shoulder to show off....
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 555
    Dura_Ace said:

    Fishing said:

    Fishing said:

    The single most interesting thing that I've learned from the exercise is that @Fishing has far more eyecatching travel destinations than I do.

    Dogger Bank? Western Approaches?
    Currently Guatemala since you ask.
    Nice. Central America and the Caribbean are my least visted parts of the world. Trinidad for a day is the sum total.
    Well I've done Panama to Guatemala on this trip and it has been fun. Gave me the time to help Mr Meeks with this thread. Nicaragua and Guatemala have been the best.
    In the 90s there used to be a whorehouse in Panama that also had a go-kart track. Mine had blocked jets in the carb.
    Are you talking about your kart, or.....?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883
    HYUFD said:
    "Worship me and all my works, you bastards, worship ME!"
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 7,616

    Boris is not tall. The new intake must all be short arses, or they have banished anybody over five foot six to the staircase.

    Good spot. The staging is clearly designed to add a couple of inches to the Great Man. He is quite short, as you say, but the Party goes to great lengths to keep this fact from the public. Reminds me of Roosevelt and his wheelchair.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,883
    Dura_Ace said:

    Fishing said:

    Fishing said:

    The single most interesting thing that I've learned from the exercise is that @Fishing has far more eyecatching travel destinations than I do.

    Dogger Bank? Western Approaches?
    Currently Guatemala since you ask.
    Nice. Central America and the Caribbean are my least visted parts of the world. Trinidad for a day is the sum total.
    Well I've done Panama to Guatemala on this trip and it has been fun. Gave me the time to help Mr Meeks with this thread. Nicaragua and Guatemala have been the best.
    In the 90s there used to be a whorehouse in Panama that also had a go-kart track. Mine had blocked jets in the carb.
    But how was your go-kart?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 15,866
    Thanks for the work.

    Do you have the number per age group ?

    There seem to be quite a few in their 20s - how does that compare to previous intakes of Conservative MPs.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 2,754
    LGBT massively overrepresented in the new intake, I see.

    Lived in London for some years in one of the best areas - wouldn't go back. Dirty, crime ridden, overcrowded place.
  • houndtang said:

    Who are the two spouses?

    Kate Griffiths (Burton) and Natalie Elphicke (Dover).
  • glwglw Posts: 5,800
    HYUFD said:
    He's been driven so far round the bend by Brexit that he's now coming back to sense again.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864
    Dura_Ace said:

    Fishing said:

    Fishing said:

    The single most interesting thing that I've learned from the exercise is that @Fishing has far more eyecatching travel destinations than I do.

    Dogger Bank? Western Approaches?
    Currently Guatemala since you ask.
    Nice. Central America and the Caribbean are my least visted parts of the world. Trinidad for a day is the sum total.
    Well I've done Panama to Guatemala on this trip and it has been fun. Gave me the time to help Mr Meeks with this thread. Nicaragua and Guatemala have been the best.
    In the 90s there used to be a whorehouse in Panama that also had a go-kart track. Mine had blocked jets in the carb.
    'This has never happened to me before'
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 15,866
    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    One bit worth mentioning (as it may surprise people) are the MPs campaigning for their constituency /town to escape / secede from their current council.

    It's often the case that any town that isn't the county town in a council area to be given the short straw. The merger of County Durham into one authority has caused resentment everywhere outside Durham City itself.

    What's even funnier is that Durham City residents don't want to be associated with the rest of the county even though it's done well out of the deal.

    Everywhere should be unitary, the duplication of effort on websites/buildings and generally for two tier authorities is an expense (And carbon emissions) we can not afford in these straitened times.
    Where I am it should be North Nottinghamshire; Nottingham; South Nottinghamshire.
    But where would North Nottinghamshire be based.

    The dispute between Retford and Worksop over Bassetlaw was pretty bad.

    And if you brought Mansfield and Newark into the same council area ...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 7,616
    edited January 16
    HYUFD said:
    Oh yeah. Thanks for posting. That got my juices up. And what a result that would be. Sanders kicks out Trump. It would turn the Culture War on its head. All the recent reverses for the Cognescenti wiped out at a stroke. Wow. Just imagine.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 3,276
    Am I very naive or is the LGB community disproportionately represented among MPs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:
    Oh yeah. Thanks for posting. That got my juices up. And what a result that would be. Sanders kicks out Trump. It would turn the Culture War on its head. All the recent reverses for the Cognescenti wiped out at a stroke. Wow. Just imagine.
    Just like a Corbyn win really but we know how that worked out
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