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edited January 22 in General

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The withdrawal agreement bill has just cleared the House of Lords

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 23,297
    First
  • EPGEPG Posts: 3,276
    The Ireland wars are beginning?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 29,370
    Oh come, come, come. Surely there's some procedural loophole... maybe a coup d'etat, or global thermonuclear war... something like that :smile:
  • EPGEPG Posts: 3,276
    I look forward to corporal Goodwin putting on his little hat to fight for THESE nationalists against THOSE nationalists in the Scotland-Catalan Wars.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 25,074
    Not really. It was over at the 10pm Bong on election day.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 29,370
    As an aside, I think Mr Goodwin makes mistake of thinking that, just because the question of Britain's membership of the EU has been settled, the whole EU-UK relationship debate is over... or indeed, that the multi-decade war between the nationalists and the internationalists has done anything more than move onto the next phase.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 31,535
    rcs1000 said:

    Oh come, come, come. Surely there's some procedural loophole... maybe a coup d'etat, or global thermonuclear war... something like that :smile:

    No, I'm afraid the die is now cast. We are now committed to a course of action that will inevitably lead to our adoption of the Euro. The UK opt-out is gone forever.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 17,784

    Not really. It was over at the 10pm Bong on election day.

    Yes, the difference a commons majority makes is huge. If the has-beens had sent the bill back when we relied on the ERG/remainers/DUP it would have been another weeks worth of negotiation and delay to get something over the line only for the hasbeens to send it back again with some other minor wording change to cause another delay.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 2,709
    FPT: @williamglenn. I agree, and sorry for misreading your earlier comment.
  • Brexit sounds like a toilet roll brand, useful but full of crap.

    Britain is three countries and UK is four countries.

    Therefore it should be called U-Kexit / UKexit

    That probably sounds too much like a gangster rapper.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 25,074

    rcs1000 said:

    Oh come, come, come. Surely there's some procedural loophole... maybe a coup d'etat, or global thermonuclear war... something like that :smile:

    No, I'm afraid the die is now cast. We are now committed to a course of action that will inevitably lead to our adoption of the Euro. The UK opt-out is gone forever.
    We have lost forever the best possible arrangement, which was semi-detached membership with historical opt-outs and the additional concessions Cameron got. The next twenty years will be spent on trying to claw back some of the lost ground.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 7,616

    Not really. It was over at the 10pm Bong on election day.

    Yes it was. And it was a war. And it is over.

    They won.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    I'm curious how many support it because they think it would work reliably, and if that would change if they know it doesn't.
    I don't see the issue with the unreliability of polygraph tests. You're not comparing it with a more reliable system, you're comparing it with nothing. Against nothing, it's great.
    Not if it gives misleading answers, then it's worse than nothing.
    No source of data is 100 percent reliable.

    All data comes with error. Wikipedia comes with error. Encyclopedia Brittanica comes with error. pb.com comes with error. Gossip comes with error. BBC news comes with error.

    Polygraph tests are no different to all the other sources of data.

    Data are valuable, if you know or can model your errors (which in the case of polygraph tests are reasonably easy to model).
    Replacing "no test" with a "test that's only ~60% accurate" is not necessarily an improvement.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 25,921
    Where is Carlotta when someone is needed to rubbish the SNP health record.

    Infant mortality rates in England and Wales *rose* for the third year in a row. In the most deprived communities it's as high as 5.2 deaths per 1,000

    Scotland has the largest *decrease*, down from 7.7 deaths per 1,000 live births in 1990 to 3.3 in 2017.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 13,470

    Not really. It was over at the 10pm Bong on election day.

    Alternatively it began.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122
    I enter the stage dressed in sackcloth and ashes.

    For three years I have maintained that the UK would not, in the end, actually leave the EU.

    I have expressed this opinion on this site on a regular basis (and in my local).

    It seems I was wrong.

    Please start throwing the turnips now.





  • EPGEPG Posts: 3,276
    The Muslim lie detector garbage tells you that the Brexit wars aren't over. They are simply becoming the White identity wars. And Bojo / Farage / Goodwin are still waving their bazookas at the front line.
  • tysontyson Posts: 4,988



    Please....a fucking ridiculous sport that helps burn the planet.....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 31,535
    Jonathan said:

    Not really. It was over at the 10pm Bong on election day.

    Alternatively it began.
    The phase of phoney war is over.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 498
    Re: BA discussion. The way I see it they have two things going for them (neither positive but they are reasons people stick with them IMO - or I do anyway, even if not particularly rationally!)

    1) their performance is often worse than other airlines BUT they offer a greater level of insurance. If the plane breaks down before take off they just bring in a spare. If your EasyJet plane breaks down, you’re stuffed)

    2) The expectation that they should be better (and you’re paying for it) at least makes you feel better about complaining about poor service. This is a bit of a uniquely British “selling point” I think...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122

    rcs1000 said:

    Oh come, come, come. Surely there's some procedural loophole... maybe a coup d'etat, or global thermonuclear war... something like that :smile:

    No, I'm afraid the die is now cast. We are now committed to a course of action that will inevitably lead to our adoption of the Euro. The UK opt-out is gone forever.
    We have lost forever the best possible arrangement, which was semi-detached membership with historical opt-outs and the additional concessions Cameron got. The next twenty years will be spent on trying to claw back some of the lost ground.
    The incandescent anger of Leave voters (especially in the North and Midlands) when it finally dawns that they have been sold a pack of lies and Albion myths will know no bounds. As the jobs and family homes disappear, no amount of Bullingdon-by-way-of-Somerset-North-Edwardian-summer crap will matter.

    Politics will be utterly transformed. Wild winds will have been sown.

  • @tyson

    I don't disagree, it's boring.
  • tysontyson Posts: 4,988

    rcs1000 said:

    Oh come, come, come. Surely there's some procedural loophole... maybe a coup d'etat, or global thermonuclear war... something like that :smile:

    No, I'm afraid the die is now cast. We are now committed to a course of action that will inevitably lead to our adoption of the Euro. The UK opt-out is gone forever.
    We have lost forever the best possible arrangement, which was semi-detached membership with historical opt-outs and the additional concessions Cameron got. The next twenty years will be spent on trying to claw back some of the lost ground.
    The whole thing is just a sad debacle of fuckwittery of the highest caliber.......





  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    rcs1000 said:

    Oh come, come, come. Surely there's some procedural loophole... maybe a coup d'etat, or global thermonuclear war... something like that :smile:

    No, I'm afraid the die is now cast. We are now committed to a course of action that will inevitably lead to our adoption of the Euro. The UK opt-out is gone forever.
    We have lost forever the best possible arrangement, which was semi-detached membership with historical opt-outs and the additional concessions Cameron got. The next twenty years will be spent on trying to claw back some of the lost ground.
    The incandescent anger of Leave voters (especially in the North and Midlands) when it finally dawns that they have been sold a pack of lies and Albion myths will know no bounds. As the jobs and family homes disappear, no amount of Bullingdon-by-way-of-Somerset-North-Edwardian-summer crap will matter.

    Politics will be utterly transformed. Wild winds will have been sown.

    Do you understand that you are in the "have not got a clue camp?"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 33,613
    EU Parliament can still stop it.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 25,921

    I enter the stage dressed in sackcloth and ashes.

    For three years I have maintained that the UK would not, in the end, actually leave the EU.

    I have expressed this opinion on this site on a regular basis (and in my local).

    It seems I was wrong.

    Please start throwing the turnips now.





    You will be right in time, when they slink back with their tail between their legs and sign up to a much poorer deal than they left you will be able to crow.
  • tysontyson Posts: 4,988

    @tyson

    I don't disagree, it's boring.

    It used to be interesting some time ago...occasionally...when it rained, and they had to stick some petrol in mid race...before we really knew we were burning up the planet.....but when you see all these Kuolas getting incinerated...enough..enough
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 33,613
    I passed Dehenna Davison on my way home through the House of Parliament this evening and she smiled at me and gave me THE EYE.

    I go to bed tonight a happy man.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    I passed Dehenna Davison on my way home through the House of Parliament this evening and she smiled at me and gave me THE EYE.

    I go to bed tonight a happy man.

    Does she not get excited by OAP's?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122

    I passed Dehenna Davison on my way home through the House of Parliament this evening and she smiled at me and gave me THE EYE.

    I go to bed tonight a happy man.

    She's not even on the next leader board.
  • I passed Dehenna Davison on my way home through the House of Parliament this evening and she smiled at me and gave me THE EYE.

    I go to bed tonight a happy man.

    We all would.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 10,273

    EU Parliament can still stop it.

    And be stuck with Farage and his mates? I doubt it.
  • Awb682Awb682 Posts: 4
    Brexit - here we come!!!!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,882

    I enter the stage dressed in sackcloth and ashes.

    For three years I have maintained that the UK would not, in the end, actually leave the EU.

    I have expressed this opinion on this site on a regular basis (and in my local).

    It seems I was wrong.

    Please start throwing the turnips now.





    Hey, everyone. Group hug for rottenborough.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 10,273

    I passed Dehenna Davison on my way home through the House of Parliament this evening and she smiled at me and gave me THE EYE.

    I go to bed tonight a happy man.

    For some reason that reminds me of an old joke...

    Q. What's the difference between light and hard?

    A. You can get to sleep with a light on.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122
    malcolmg said:

    I enter the stage dressed in sackcloth and ashes.

    For three years I have maintained that the UK would not, in the end, actually leave the EU.

    I have expressed this opinion on this site on a regular basis (and in my local).

    It seems I was wrong.

    Please start throwing the turnips now.





    You will be right in time, when they slink back with their tail between their legs and sign up to a much poorer deal than they left you will be able to crow.
    Thanks Malc.

    But my prediction was based on the country finding a way to escape from this mistake. Most likely by dragging the whole thing out so long that everyone involved was too bored to care or dead.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 25,921
    Awb682 said:

    Brexit - here we come!!!!

    How long before the plebs realise they are stuffed
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,882
    malcolmg said:

    Where is Carlotta when someone is needed to rubbish the SNP health record.

    Infant mortality rates in England and Wales *rose* for the third year in a row. In the most deprived communities it's as high as 5.2 deaths per 1,000

    Scotland has the largest *decrease*, down from 7.7 deaths per 1,000 live births in 1990 to 3.3 in 2017.

    Newsnight discussing this. Cousin marriages are a significant factor in infant mortality.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122

    EU Parliament can still stop it.

    Oh the irony.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908
    This is the opportunity that was lost. She could have stood. She didn't.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 10,273

    malcolmg said:

    Where is Carlotta when someone is needed to rubbish the SNP health record.

    Infant mortality rates in England and Wales *rose* for the third year in a row. In the most deprived communities it's as high as 5.2 deaths per 1,000

    Scotland has the largest *decrease*, down from 7.7 deaths per 1,000 live births in 1990 to 3.3 in 2017.

    Newsnight discussing this. Cousin marriages are a significant factor in infant mortality.
    And in plenty of other medical problems.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 10,273
    Doesn't matter now. Except for Thornberry.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908
    edited January 22

    I passed Dehenna Davison on my way home through the House of Parliament this evening and she smiled at me and gave me THE EYE...

    "Security? Dehenna here. He's back again. He keeps looking at me strange every time I see him. It's beginning to worry me. Can you check his clearance? Thanks"

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122
    edited January 22
    Christ. Tell me the Dems aren't about to do this...


    "What Polling Tells Us About Bernie Sanders’s Chances
    He’s gaining, and he has some considerable advantages he lacked in 2016."


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/upshot/polls-bernie-sanders-chances.html
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908
    kinabalu said:

    Not really. It was over at the 10pm Bong on election day.

    Yes it was. And it was a war. And it is over.

    They won.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122
    viewcode said:

    This is the opportunity that was lost. She could have stood. She didn't.
    Long game. Boris was unstoppable.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 33,613
    viewcode said:

    I passed Dehenna Davison on my way home through the House of Parliament this evening and she smiled at me and gave me THE EYE...

    "Security? Dehenna here. He's back again. He keeps looking at me strange every time I see him. It's beginning to worry me. Can you check his clearance? Thanks"

    To be fair, I think she just gave me a cursory look up from her phone as she was walking by with a brief smile, and then went back down to it again.

    But, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    malcolmg said:

    Awb682 said:

    Brexit - here we come!!!!

    How long before the plebs realise they are stuffed
    If it is to be so, quite awhile I expect. Revolutionary movements, including nationalist ones, rely on it.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 48
    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'.

    It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.



  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 29,122
    malcolmg said:

    Awb682 said:

    Brexit - here we come!!!!

    How long before the plebs realise they are stuffed
    Quite a while. A Japanese car factory doesn't just unwind itself overnight.

    But I read that there are 30,000 supply chain jobs in the NE alone reliant on Nissan.

    The anger is going to be white hot when this all goes tits up.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908
    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
  • @rottenborough

    At least they'll have one male and one female instead of two males as leaders.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 48
    edited January 22
    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
    This was still not a war. No one died. People just got a bit upset.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864
    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'.

    It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    They were probably mislead by all those brexiteers predicting blood on the streets if the Will Of The People was thwarted.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 48

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'.

    It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    They were probably mislead by all those brexiteers predicting blood on the streets if the Will Of The People was thwarted.
    People love being told they are misled. Guaranteed vote winner.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 25,921

    malcolmg said:

    Where is Carlotta when someone is needed to rubbish the SNP health record.

    Infant mortality rates in England and Wales *rose* for the third year in a row. In the most deprived communities it's as high as 5.2 deaths per 1,000

    Scotland has the largest *decrease*, down from 7.7 deaths per 1,000 live births in 1990 to 3.3 in 2017.

    Newsnight discussing this. Cousin marriages are a significant factor in infant mortality.
    WTF is happening in the country
  • YokesYokes Posts: 48
    How much of this is exposure led? Lisa Nandy has got her fair share of press in recent days.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908
    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
    This was still not a war. No one died. People just got a bit upset.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864
    HYUFD said:
    Does that mean wee Dan thinks getting Stormont back up and running wasn't a triumph for the BJ party?
  • YokesYokes Posts: 48
    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
    This was still not a war. No one died. People just got a bit upset.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox
    I dont think Jo Cox specifically died because of the Brexit referendum, do you?.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    edited January 22
    HYUFD said:
    I make that it's pretty weaksauce stuff.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,055
    HYUFD said:
    Whatever else one thinks of him, and whether or not his specific analysis is correct, at least he is not someone who is complete denial.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908
    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
    This was still not a war. No one died. People just got a bit upset.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox
    I dont think Jo Cox specifically died because of the Brexit referendum, do you?.
    [sarcasm on]
    You're so right. It was entirely a coincidence. Who could possibly think otherwise. Why, that would just be the silliest thing in the world.
    [sarcasm off]
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,665
    Incidentally, @HYUFD posted a tweet from Andy Burnham this morning promising exciting news about Stockport. In case anyone is still wondering, it is that a) Bob Kerslake, ex-head of the civil service, is to chair the Stockport Mayoral Development Corporation, and b) that Bob and Andy are reiterating their commitment to extent the East Didsbury Metrolink line to Stockport.

    I don't know if this has already been posted, but I'm sure there are other posters just as agog as me to hear the latest Stockport news.
  • kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    I make that it's pretty weaksauce stuff.
    Was the weaksauce made on his Aga?

    Guido needs better scandals, all this shows is that there isn't much dirt on Starmer. The last leader was hanging out with Gerry Adams at the height of The Troubles, ffs.
  • HYUFD said:
    If he lives to 80, there's no can about it, he will see it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 67,819

    HYUFD said:
    If he lives to 80, there's no can about it, he will see it.
    He will not, the diehard Unionists of Antrim etc will never accept a United Ireland and 43% voted Unionist last month to 38% for Nats.

    I am sick to death of whinging Nats, no compromise, no surrender!
  • YokesYokes Posts: 48
    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
    This was still not a war. No one died. People just got a bit upset.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox
    I dont think Jo Cox specifically died because of the Brexit referendum, do you?.
    [sarcasm on]
    You're so right. It was entirely a coincidence. Who could possibly think otherwise. Why, that would just be the silliest thing in the world.
    [sarcasm off]
    It was a killing by someone right on the fringe. Their motivations were not decided by the Brexit referendum.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908
    Cookie said:

    ... I'm sure there are other posters just as agog as me to hear the latest Stockport news...

    Indeed. People are waiting at the docks for the latest news.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908
    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
    This was still not a war. No one died. People just got a bit upset.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox
    I dont think Jo Cox specifically died because of the Brexit referendum, do you?.
    [sarcasm on]
    You're so right. It was entirely a coincidence. Who could possibly think otherwise. Why, that would just be the silliest thing in the world.
    [sarcasm off]
    It was a killing by someone right on the fringe. Their motivations were not decided by the Brexit referendum.
    See previous post
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:
    If he lives to 80, there's no can about it, he will see it.
    He will not, the diehard Unionists of Antrim etc will never accept a United Ireland and 43% voted Unionist last month to 38% for Nats.

    I am sick to death of whinging Nats, no compromise, no surrender!
    Your clearly not a bigot, lol.
  • Irish Constituency Odds Are On Powers Website.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 48
    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
    This was still not a war. No one died. People just got a bit upset.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox
    I dont think Jo Cox specifically died because of the Brexit referendum, do you?.
    [sarcasm on]
    You're so right. It was entirely a coincidence. Who could possibly think otherwise. Why, that would just be the silliest thing in the world.
    [sarcasm off]
    It was a killing by someone right on the fringe. Their motivations were not decided by the Brexit referendum.
    See previous post
    I believe your view that it was directly connected to the Brexit referendum is incorrect, What of it? You have no actual fact to back it, you have opinion;


  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908
    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
    This was still not a war. No one died. People just got a bit upset.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox
    I dont think Jo Cox specifically died because of the Brexit referendum, do you?.
    [sarcasm on]
    You're so right. It was entirely a coincidence. Who could possibly think otherwise. Why, that would just be the silliest thing in the world.
    [sarcasm off]
    It was a killing by someone right on the fringe. Their motivations were not decided by the Brexit referendum.
    See previous post
    I believe your view that it was directly connected to the Brexit referendum is incorrect, What of it? You have no actual fact to back it, you have opinion;


    So your opinions are facts, but my facts are opinions. OK, gottit.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 48
    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
    This was still not a war. No one died. People just got a bit upset.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox
    I dont think Jo Cox specifically died because of the Brexit referendum, do you?.
    [sarcasm on]
    You're so right. It was entirely a coincidence. Who could possibly think otherwise. Why, that would just be the silliest thing in the world.
    [sarcasm off]
    It was a killing by someone right on the fringe. Their motivations were not decided by the Brexit referendum.
    See previous post
    I believe your view that it was directly connected to the Brexit referendum is incorrect, What of it? You have no actual fact to back it, you have opinion;


    So your opinions are facts, but my facts are opinions. OK, gottit.
    Let me break this down for you.

    I used the words 'I don't THINK Jo Cox died because of the Brexit referendum' That's my opinion 'Do you? ' question to you do you think she did? That's fairly fundamental and clear sentence construction there.

    You produced no strongly convincing facts that she was nor have we any overwhelming evidence from the actual situation. You just produced your opinion which you are welcome to have. I don't agree with you.

    I could suggest that you have used the death of the woman to reinforce and propagate your own political prejudices but I'm not that cynical.

  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 1,909
    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    viewcode said:

    Yokes said:

    And still the politicos and journos still cant help themselves. 'Brexit Wars'. It wasn't a war, it was a political difference of view. Get over it.

    Not all political difference of views are wars, but all wars are political differences of view.
    This was still not a war. No one died. People just got a bit upset.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Cox
    I dont think Jo Cox specifically died because of the Brexit referendum, do you?.
    [sarcasm on]
    You're so right. It was entirely a coincidence. Who could possibly think otherwise. Why, that would just be the silliest thing in the world.
    [sarcasm off]
    Sorry to barge in like this, but isn't a better argument that we're not "at war with Islam" because of that guy who drove his vehicle at worshippers outside a mosque? Or the London bridge attacks, for that matter. By your logic, it seems that you think we are. Point being that we don't let the extremist wing of either side of the argument define the terms of debate.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 17,864


  • If you can get 1-8, put all your money on it.

    It's 1-80 in theory.

    Leicester top four is the bet.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,908
    Yokes said:

    ...I could suggest that you have used the death of the woman to reinforce and propagate your own political prejudices but I'm not that cynical.

    You are and you did. Or is it your opinion that bookending a statement with the phrases "I could suggest that..." and "...but I'm not that cynical" somehow obviates the statement?

    Or is it your fact? You'll have to explain to us simple souls without your ineffable gift for determining the two.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 24,677
    Mike OGH is going to be a happy bunny this morning.

    Man United 0 - 2 Burnley :D
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 24,677



    If you can get 1-8, put all your money on it.

    It's 1-80 in theory.

    Leicester top four is the bet.

    That's a great short-odds bet. They're 14 points clear of 5th place, with 14 matches to play. Effectively 15 points given their goal difference. That bet could pay out by the end of March.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 24,677
    Really useful human statistics Twitter account:
    https://twitter.com/HumanProgress

    It appears that, despite all the negative stories we read every day, life for average people on Earth is getting considerably better.

    Example stats:

    "The proportion of the world population in extreme poverty, i.e. those who consume less than $1.90 a day, adjusted for local prices, declined from 36% in 1990 to 10% in 2015."

    "As recently as 1990, measles caused over 22 deaths per 100,000 people globally. Thanks to the measles vaccine and rising global vaccination rates, that figure fell to just over 1 per 100,000 people by 2016."

    "In sub-Saharan Africa, the infant mortality rate per 1,000 live births fell from 82.2 in 2001, to 51.7 in 2015. This is a decline of more than 37%."
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 28,598
    The way that you can tell the Brexit wars aren’t over is by looking at the government’s actions. It is determined to implement the most damaging destructive trade agreement with the EU because it is still whipping up Leavers’ hatred of the EU rather than looking for a sensible modus vivendi that Remainers can live with.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,882
    Sandpit said:

    Really useful human statistics Twitter account:
    https://twitter.com/HumanProgress

    It appears that, despite all the negative stories we read every day, life for average people on Earth is getting considerably better.

    Example stats:

    "The proportion of the world population in extreme poverty, i.e. those who consume less than $1.90 a day, adjusted for local prices, declined from 36% in 1990 to 10% in 2015."

    "As recently as 1990, measles caused over 22 deaths per 100,000 people globally. Thanks to the measles vaccine and rising global vaccination rates, that figure fell to just over 1 per 100,000 people by 2016."

    "In sub-Saharan Africa, the infant mortality rate per 1,000 live births fell from 82.2 in 2001, to 51.7 in 2015. This is a decline of more than 37%."

    You're a bundle of joy today....

    ;)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,882

    The way that you can tell the Brexit wars aren’t over is by looking at the government’s actions. It is determined to implement the most damaging destructive trade agreement with the EU because it is still whipping up Leavers’ hatred of the EU rather than looking for a sensible modus vivendi that Remainers can live with.

    The way that you can tell the Brexit wars aren’t over is by looking at your posts....
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 28,598

    The way that you can tell the Brexit wars aren’t over is by looking at the government’s actions. It is determined to implement the most damaging destructive trade agreement with the EU because it is still whipping up Leavers’ hatred of the EU rather than looking for a sensible modus vivendi that Remainers can live with.

    The way that you can tell the Brexit wars aren’t over is by looking at your posts....
    You’d get a better idea by looking at your posts. You exuberantly cheer on every assault on British civic structures in the name of Brexit. It remains your unfathomable obsession, your paramount principle by which all actions must be judged. Leavers remain Leavers and still have no interest in constructing a forward-looking vision for Britain rather than one defined by hatred of the EU.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 24,677

    Sandpit said:

    Really useful human statistics Twitter account:
    https://twitter.com/HumanProgress

    It appears that, despite all the negative stories we read every day, life for average people on Earth is getting considerably better.

    Example stats:

    "The proportion of the world population in extreme poverty, i.e. those who consume less than $1.90 a day, adjusted for local prices, declined from 36% in 1990 to 10% in 2015."

    "As recently as 1990, measles caused over 22 deaths per 100,000 people globally. Thanks to the measles vaccine and rising global vaccination rates, that figure fell to just over 1 per 100,000 people by 2016."

    "In sub-Saharan Africa, the infant mortality rate per 1,000 live births fell from 82.2 in 2001, to 51.7 in 2015. This is a decline of more than 37%."

    You're a bundle of joy today....

    ;)
    Somebody has to be ;)

    I'm in the Middle East today, and four hours ahead of the UK - so I'm two hours away from 'Friday' afternoon! :D
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 31,882

    The way that you can tell the Brexit wars aren’t over is by looking at the government’s actions. It is determined to implement the most damaging destructive trade agreement with the EU because it is still whipping up Leavers’ hatred of the EU rather than looking for a sensible modus vivendi that Remainers can live with.

    The way that you can tell the Brexit wars aren’t over is by looking at your posts....
    You’d get a better idea by looking at your posts. You exuberantly cheer on every assault on British civic structures in the name of Brexit. It remains your unfathomable obsession, your paramount principle by which all actions must be judged. Leavers remain Leavers and still have no interest in constructing a forward-looking vision for Britain rather than one defined by hatred of the EU.
    OK, here's a challenge. Start putting forward some positive proposals to implement "a sensible modus vivendi that Remainers can live with". Because your contributions to the debate have been utterly devoid of such to date.
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