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As can be seen the Daily Mirror is the only one which does not have reference to Brexit on its front page. Of course it might be that this is the best call from a news point of view given the potential threat that the flu represents.

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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    Leave it.....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769
    When will the bookies settle up? Tomorrow or Monday, I suppose, in case Johnson trolls everybody by revoking at 22.59?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    edited January 2020
    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension....

    The EU enters February 2020 a far less credible thing.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    ydoethur said:

    When will the bookies settle up? Tomorrow or Monday, I suppose, in case Johnson trolls everybody by revoking at 22.59?

    10.00pm tonight. He speaks to the nation.

    "I have in front of me two letters..... Eeeny, meeny, miny, mo....."
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724
    The sentiments on the front of the Mail seem to be very similar to those on their front page when we joined.
    While, obviously, the world moves on, and 'everything is always changing', one does wonder.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Following the Daily Star theme, another thing that ends at 23:00 GMT tonight is the football transfer window in England (Scotland, which always has to be different, has theirs at midnight.) Most media outlets will be much more interested in marking Brexit, but it's quite possible that more people out in the country will be paying attention to who's signed up where at the last minute.

    A constant mistake that's been made ever since June 2016 (by the media, but most critically by the hardline Remainers, whose failed strategy was largely predicated on a myth) was to assume that, because the referendum vote was almost 50:50, the country is split down the middle on Brexit into two almost warring camps. It isn't, and it never was.

    The partisans on both sides of the Brexit argument constitute a significant but nonetheless relatively small minority. Reporters will seek and doubtless find little groups of Brexiteers holding firework displays and Remainiacs holding candlelit vigils, but for most of the population the formal departure from the EU will go unmarked and, in a great many cases, unnoticed.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,340

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension....

    The EU enters February 2020 a far less credible thing.

    It’s the UK, not the EU that has a credibility problem after the Brexit process
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,288
    my "first" post has disappeared.. I sense foul play!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,944
    edited January 2020
    Boris's this is not an end, but a beginning is surely a deliberate echo of Churchill, and fully appropriate to the end of Transfer Deadline Day, when we celebrate the news of a NIC threshold rise and McDonald's now serving breakfast till 11am.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    ydoethur said:

    When will the bookies settle up? Tomorrow or Monday, I suppose, in case Johnson trolls everybody by revoking at 22.59?

    Not sure the EU Parliament put in a caveat that their approving our departure was conditional on the UK not revoking Article 50.

    But the look on their faces tomorrow, as Farage returned, clutching a heavy box full of Union Jack flags...

    "Surprise! We've had so much fun, we're going to do it all again. Here's a letter from the PM, invoking our Article 50 departure on 31st January 2022. But this time, we're going to do it right....."

    In the shitz'n'gigglez stakes, that has to be tempting.......
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    We will soon be back to Australian bush fire and coronavirus emergencies. The real Brexit bite won't happen just yet.

    Meanwhile, across the pond, the Democrats look to have lost the impeachment.

    I'm not sure I can recall a more chaotic world in my lifetime.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,922

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    Not from PB, I hope?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    Not from PB, I hope?
    Not from PB, no. Though I shall be doing the usual spate of travelling etc so I may be around less for a while.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    edited January 2020

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension....

    The EU enters February 2020 a far less credible thing.

    It’s the UK, not the EU that has a credibility problem after the Brexit process
    Imagine the US President, sitting in the White House, announcing gravely that as of tomorrow, "there will only be 49 stars on our slightly-less star spangled banner."

    Because that is what just happened to the EU.

    Now imagine the fall-out in the US. The next thing the President would be telling the people is that he was resigning. Before the Senate got a chance to fire his sorry ass, for allowing this humiliation to come about.

    The EU? At the most senior level of its management, it just has no concept of fuck up.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724

    We will soon be back to Australian bush fire and coronavirus emergencies. The real Brexit bite won't happen just yet.

    Meanwhile, across the pond, the Democrats look to have lost the impeachment.

    I'm not sure I can recall a more chaotic world in my lifetime.

    To be honest, and this may be surprising, I'm inclined to agree. I can remember the war and VE Day...... I was just 7 at the time ....... and started taking a real interest in 'affairs' about 5-6 years later.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047

    ydoethur said:

    When will the bookies settle up? Tomorrow or Monday, I suppose, in case Johnson trolls everybody by revoking at 22.59?

    10.00pm tonight. He speaks to the nation.

    "I have in front of me two letters..... Eeeny, meeny, miny, mo....."
    Given Boris's track record, that nursery rhyme could be a dangerous choice.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,547

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    Is this a I am going to do something else with my life kind of retirement?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension....

    The EU enters February 2020 a far less credible thing.

    It’s the UK, not the EU that has a credibility problem after the Brexit process
    Imagine the US President, sitting in the White House, announcing gravely that as of tomorrow, "there will only be 49 stars on our slightly-less star spangled banner."

    Because that is what just happened to the EU.

    Now imagine the fall-out in the US. The next thing the President would be telling the people is that he was resigning. Before the Senate got a chance to fire his sorry ass, for allowing this humiliation to come about.

    The EU? At the most senior level of its management, it just has no concept of fuck up.
    One of the more bizarre things about the European Parliamentary reports on Juncker is how they studiously avoid any reference to the UK withdrawal process.

    Admittedly, even then they can’t find any positives.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    FF43 said:

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    Is this a I am going to do something else with my life kind of retirement?
    Absolutely. I’m a bit young for jigsaws and daytime TV.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    Have a great retirement Alistair!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724
    FF43 said:

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    Is this a I am going to do something else with my life kind of retirement?
    Anyone who sits back, folds their arms and says 'In retirement I'm just going to sit and watch' is asking for trouble.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    So you’ll be in your 50s, white, retired, and living in Essex?

    You’ll be backing Brexit next.
    Surely racing up and down HS2 trying to decide if it was worth the money?

    (No, that post is not meant seriously!)
  • Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    I'm contemplating retirement but am not sure I can afford it. Financial calculations would be a lot easier if I knew when I shall die.

    @AlastairMeeks does not look old enough to retire, unless he is a Premier League footballer or perhaps a Brexit lawyer.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Enjoy your "retirement" @AlastairMeeks whatever you decide to do with it.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
    Enjoy being paid to stay away from work!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    edited January 2020

    ydoethur said:

    When will the bookies settle up? Tomorrow or Monday, I suppose, in case Johnson trolls everybody by revoking at 22.59?

    10.00pm tonight. He speaks to the nation.

    "I have in front of me two letters..... Eeeny, meeny, miny, mo....."
    Given Boris's track record, that nursery rhyme could be a dangerous choice.
    There's a reason I stopped where I did....but put it as far as I did.....
  • isamisam Posts: 40,731
    edited January 2020

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    Nice one, good luck
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,136


    Now imagine the fall-out in the US. The next thing the President would be telling the people is that he was resigning. Before the Senate got a chance to fire his sorry ass, for allowing this humiliation to come about.

    None of this would happen. Even if people in the US considered that it was the US's screw-up instead of Texas finally getting around to doing what it had been threatening all these years, the US Presidents don't resign over screw-ups, and Senates don't fire them.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    Pension-pot holders across the land will remember this day as a national tragedy.

    Enjoy Next Phase of Life. I hop your partner is looking forward to it too.
  • The Prime Minister is narked with the Chancellor. It's just like old times.

    Downing Street anger over 'ill-disciplined' Javid’s attempt to hijack HS2 decision
    Boris Johnson’s relationship with Sajid Javid under renewed strain after Chancellor's intervention in rail project row

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/30/downing-street-anger-ill-disciplined-javids-attempt-hijack-hs2/
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    I'm contemplating retirement but am not sure I can afford it. Financial calculations would be a lot easier if I knew when I shall die.

    @AlastairMeeks does not look old enough to retire, unless he is a Premier League footballer or perhaps a Brexit lawyer.
    A couple I knew decided they'd probably die when they were four or five years older than their parents had done, and planned, financially, accordingly.
    Only trouble was they went on a further ten or so years and, for a while, things were rather difficult.
    Then she died, and 'something turned up' for him, although he wasn't a happy bunny.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,038
    I thought the Daily Star front page was rather funny, actually.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,587

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension.....

    The effect would be more or less nil, as states do not have the right to secede.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,547

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension....

    The EU enters February 2020 a far less credible thing.

    It’s the UK, not the EU that has a credibility problem after the Brexit process
    Imagine the US President, sitting in the White House, announcing gravely that as of tomorrow, "there will only be 49 stars on our slightly-less star spangled banner."

    Because that is what just happened to the EU.

    Now imagine the fall-out in the US. The next thing the President would be telling the people is that he was resigning. Before the Senate got a chance to fire his sorry ass, for allowing this humiliation to come about.

    The EU? At the most senior level of its management, it just has no concept of fuck up.
    The EU is undoubtedly a loser from Brexit as is the United Kingdom.

    Johnson not only has no concept of a fuck up, but actually declares each of his fuck ups as a demonstration of his genius.

    I like this, but Grozoubinky is wrong in one respect. The jokes on us.

    https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1220812086747566080
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724
    edited January 2020

    Pension-pot holders across the land will remember this day as a national tragedy.

    Enjoy Next Phase of Life. I hop your partner is looking forward to it too.

    He’s threatening to go back to work.
    The wife in a couple we know pointed out to the husband on the day after his retirement that 'they'd married for better or worse, but not for lunch!'.
    He'd been into computing very early, worked for one of the big companies and consequently did a lot of travelling. Having him home all day needed quite an adjustment.
    And he doesn't like golf!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited January 2020
    I notice Sky News are at it again over UK repatriating citizens from China, going full outrage that some bloke has been left behind because he couldn't get a taxi to the airport.

    But only when you listen carefully he was arguing with the UK and Chinese government about not willing to leave without his non-British wife, with the Chinese government saying she couldn't go and by the time the UK government convinced them to allow her to also go, it was already past the departure time.

    Given there are other foreign relatives and Irish citizens on the flight, I am going to presume that perhaps there might also be even more to complications to this case.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,038

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension....

    The EU enters February 2020 a far less credible thing.

    To be fair, the US doesn’t recognise any legal or legitimate mechanism for secession.

    So, it would resist any such move by force if needs be.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Pension-pot holders across the land will remember this day as a national tragedy.

    Enjoy Next Phase of Life. I hop your partner is looking forward to it too.

    He’s threatening to go back to work.
    The wife in a couple we know pointed out to the husband on the day after his retirement that 'they'd married for better or worse, but not for lunch!'.
    He'd been into computing very early, worked for one of the big companies and consequently did a lot of travelling. Having him home all day needed quite an adjustment.
    And he doesn't like golf!
    I’ve more or less been pointed to the outside studio and told to make that my daytime residence. As for what I shall do, I have ideas but I’m also considering suggestions.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,288

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
    I retire today, finally at 66.5.. I am going to join the U3A.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    From today finally the Brexiteers are accountable for the promises they have made.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,038
    edited January 2020

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    Not from PB, I hope?
    Not from PB, no. Though I shall be doing the usual spate of travelling etc so I may be around less for a while.
    Are you taking over from Portillo and doing a new series of Great Railway Journeys?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,547
    Jonathan said:

    From today finally the Brexiteers are accountable for the promises they have made.

    Oh I don't think so.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
    I retire today, finally at 66.5.. I am going to join the U3A.
    I’d be really interested to hear what you think of it.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724
    edited January 2020

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
    I retire today, finally at 66.5.. I am going to join the U3A.
    You'll be very welcome. Gives my wife and I lots of opportunities for interests
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,587
    China knew about person to person transmission of coronavirus weeks before they made it public:

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus-outbreak/Coronavirus-study-on-early-human-transmission-fuels-public-anger
    The paper also found that only 55% of the 47 infected patients before Jan. 1 were linked to the seafood and live-animal market thought to be ground zero. This means that other patients either got infected elsewhere or from other people.

    The new findings have sparked a massive backlash on Chinese social media, with users questioning why the information did not come out earlier.

    Many of the paper's authors work for the Chinese Center for Disease Control and local counterparts. Many were among the first batch of medical experts to have entered Wuhan for on-the-ground inspections, developing "a tailored surveillance protocol to identify potential cases" on Jan. 3.

    "They all knew," a user on the Weibo microblogging platform said. "They just didn't say, but lied to us."

    "If only they could have told people earlier, we could have taken better preventive measures, and the virus would not have spread this fast," another wrote...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,038

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
    In all seriousness, congratulations Alastair. Very well deserved.

    You must have done well to be retiring at 52 (?) or something like that?!
  • Nigelb said:

    China knew about person to person transmission of coronavirus weeks before they made it public:

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus-outbreak/Coronavirus-study-on-early-human-transmission-fuels-public-anger
    The paper also found that only 55% of the 47 infected patients before Jan. 1 were linked to the seafood and live-animal market thought to be ground zero. This means that other patients either got infected elsewhere or from other people.

    The new findings have sparked a massive backlash on Chinese social media, with users questioning why the information did not come out earlier.

    Many of the paper's authors work for the Chinese Center for Disease Control and local counterparts. Many were among the first batch of medical experts to have entered Wuhan for on-the-ground inspections, developing "a tailored surveillance protocol to identify potential cases" on Jan. 3.

    "They all knew," a user on the Weibo microblogging platform said. "They just didn't say, but lied to us."

    "If only they could have told people earlier, we could have taken better preventive measures, and the virus would not have spread this fast," another wrote...

    Not exactly surprising given the culture in China both at governmental and citizen level.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,038

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    I'm contemplating retirement but am not sure I can afford it. Financial calculations would be a lot easier if I knew when I shall die.

    @AlastairMeeks does not look old enough to retire, unless he is a Premier League footballer or perhaps a Brexit lawyer.
    A couple I knew decided they'd probably die when they were four or five years older than their parents had done, and planned, financially, accordingly.
    Only trouble was they went on a further ten or so years and, for a while, things were rather difficult.
    Then she died, and 'something turned up' for him, although he wasn't a happy bunny.
    That’s sad. Losing your partner and being alone in my old age is one of my biggest fears.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Happy Brexit Day PB. :D
  • Pension-pot holders across the land will remember this day as a national tragedy.

    Enjoy Next Phase of Life. I hop your partner is looking forward to it too.

    He’s threatening to go back to work.
    The wife in a couple we know pointed out to the husband on the day after his retirement that 'they'd married for better or worse, but not for lunch!'.
    He'd been into computing very early, worked for one of the big companies and consequently did a lot of travelling. Having him home all day needed quite an adjustment.
    And he doesn't like golf!
    Retirement does mean getting under each other's feet all day but I wonder if there is also a touch of the lottery winners' curse, that now they can afford to do (or have time to do) whatever they want, they discover what they want is two different things. A friend mentioned the other day that he only holidays abroad because his wife likes to; if they could suddenly afford a year cruising round the world, would their marriage last?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    For years Brexiteers and Eurosceptics have been destructively complaining about the world. They can’t do that now, this is their world. It is time for them to come good.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    Nigelb said:

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension.....

    The effect would be more or less nil, as states do not have the right to secede.
    You don't mess with Texas......
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
    In all seriousness, congratulations Alastair. Very well deserved.

    You must have done well to be retiring at 52 (?) or something like that?!
    Thank you. Yes, 52, but I’ve always wanted to try to use some different skills and this gives me the opportunity to do so.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,587

    Pension-pot holders across the land will remember this day as a national tragedy.

    Enjoy Next Phase of Life. I hop your partner is looking forward to it too.

    He’s threatening to go back to work.
    The wife in a couple we know pointed out to the husband on the day after his retirement that 'they'd married for better or worse, but not for lunch!'.
    He'd been into computing very early, worked for one of the big companies and consequently did a lot of travelling. Having him home all day needed quite an adjustment.
    And he doesn't like golf!
    I’ve more or less been pointed to the outside studio and told to make that my daytime residence. As for what I shall do, I have ideas but I’m also considering suggestions.
    Now you’ve given up on the law, you can put your obvious skills to some good use...

    But seriously, best wishes with whatever you come up with.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
    I retire today, finally at 66.5.. I am going to join the U3A.
    I’d be really interested to hear what you think of it.
    Have a look at u3asites.org.uk. The Stanway Group give access to Colchester's as well. Sudbury seems lively, too.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072

    Pension-pot holders across the land will remember this day as a national tragedy.

    Enjoy Next Phase of Life. I hop your partner is looking forward to it too.

    He’s threatening to go back to work.
    The wife in a couple we know pointed out to the husband on the day after his retirement that 'they'd married for better or worse, but not for lunch!'.
    He'd been into computing very early, worked for one of the big companies and consequently did a lot of travelling. Having him home all day needed quite an adjustment.
    And he doesn't like golf!
    I’ve more or less been pointed to the outside studio and told to make that my daytime residence. As for what I shall do, I have ideas but I’m also considering suggestions.
    Have you considered a career in engineering?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,587

    Nigelb said:

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension.....

    The effect would be more or less nil, as states do not have the right to secede.
    You don't mess with Texas......
    I think Mexico might have a go at reclaiming lost territory, in the unlikely event of an independent Texas.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    I'm contemplating retirement but am not sure I can afford it. Financial calculations would be a lot easier if I knew when I shall die.

    @AlastairMeeks does not look old enough to retire, unless he is a Premier League footballer or perhaps a Brexit lawyer.
    A couple I knew decided they'd probably die when they were four or five years older than their parents had done, and planned, financially, accordingly.
    Only trouble was they went on a further ten or so years and, for a while, things were rather difficult.
    Then she died, and 'something turned up' for him, although he wasn't a happy bunny.
    That’s sad. Losing your partner and being alone in my old age is one of my biggest fears.
    It was indeed sad. Their retirement had been very good for 15-20 years and then it all turned sour.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,724
    edited January 2020

    Pension-pot holders across the land will remember this day as a national tragedy.

    Enjoy Next Phase of Life. I hop your partner is looking forward to it too.

    He’s threatening to go back to work.
    The wife in a couple we know pointed out to the husband on the day after his retirement that 'they'd married for better or worse, but not for lunch!'.
    He'd been into computing very early, worked for one of the big companies and consequently did a lot of travelling. Having him home all day needed quite an adjustment.
    And he doesn't like golf!
    Retirement does mean getting under each other's feet all day but I wonder if there is also a touch of the lottery winners' curse, that now they can afford to do (or have time to do) whatever they want, they discover what they want is two different things. A friend mentioned the other day that he only holidays abroad because his wife likes to; if they could suddenly afford a year cruising round the world, would their marriage last?
    I mentioned the U3a. We both belong, belong to quite a few interest groups, but only both belong to one, a Lunch Group where we work round the local pubs etc once per month.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,038

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
    In all seriousness, congratulations Alastair. Very well deserved.

    You must have done well to be retiring at 52 (?) or something like that?!
    Thank you. Yes, 52, but I’ve always wanted to try to use some different skills and this gives me the opportunity to do so.
    My pleasure.

    Any thoughts on how you might do that which you’d care to share? What are you considering?
  • The Sun is giving away 100 commemorative 50p coins. Has Rupert cut the budget?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,776

    Pension-pot holders across the land will remember this day as a national tragedy.

    Enjoy Next Phase of Life. I hop your partner is looking forward to it too.

    He’s threatening to go back to work.
    The wife in a couple we know pointed out to the husband on the day after his retirement that 'they'd married for better or worse, but not for lunch!'.
    He'd been into computing very early, worked for one of the big companies and consequently did a lot of travelling. Having him home all day needed quite an adjustment.
    And he doesn't like golf!
    I’ve more or less been pointed to the outside studio and told to make that my daytime residence. As for what I shall do, I have ideas but I’m also considering suggestions.
    Congratulations. If there's something you're interested in studying and writing about, why not try an MA or Doctorate. I've begun an MA with Buckingham University.
  • The Sun is giving away 100 commemorative 50p coins. Has Rupert cut the budget?

    Are the gold ones?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,785

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension....

    The EU enters February 2020 a far less credible thing.

    It’s the UK, not the EU that has a credibility problem after the Brexit process
    Imagine the US President, sitting in the White House, announcing gravely that as of tomorrow, "there will only be 49 stars on our slightly-less star spangled banner."

    Because that is what just happened to the EU.

    Now imagine the fall-out in the US. The next thing the President would be telling the people is that he was resigning. Before the Senate got a chance to fire his sorry ass, for allowing this humiliation to come about.

    The EU? At the most senior level of its management, it just has no concept of fuck up.
    I'd agree there should be more of a sense of self reflection in Brussels, but, that said, I do find it odd when leavers criticize the EU for not being the United States of Europe of their imagination.

    It is still a member organisation, an unusually powerful one perhaps, but still.a member organisation, that has lost a member. It is simply not like a USA that has lost a state. It is different.

    It is like when you bewail the lack of a politician who campaigns for the EU presidency from Birmingham to Berlin, channelling the spirit of some William Glen federalist erotic dream. The EU presidency is not like that because the EU is not like that, the nation's do not wish it and they are happy with their own domestic democratic power bases, thank you very much.

    But we're leaving, so your confusion over what it is we are leaving is, for the present time, rather more moot.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,776
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension.....

    The effect would be more or less nil, as states do not have the right to secede.
    You don't mess with Texas......
    I think Mexico might have a go at reclaiming lost territory, in the unlikely event of an independent Texas.

    That's not entirely fanciful. There are Mexican nationalists who dream of recovering the lost lands.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    Not from PB, I hope?
    Not from PB, no. Though I shall be doing the usual spate of travelling etc so I may be around less for a while.
    Are you taking over from Portillo and doing a new series of Great Railway Journeys?
    What's the emoticon for seething resentment, Sunil?
  • Jonathan said:

    For years Brexiteers and Eurosceptics have been destructively complaining about the world. They can’t do that now, this is their world. It is time for them to come good.

    That was one of the Brexiteers arguments Jonathan, as Gove himself said earlier this week now politicians like him will have nowhere to hide.
  • The Sun is giving away 100 commemorative 50p coins. Has Rupert cut the budget?

    Are the gold ones?
    Good question. I was going by the picture at the top of this thread.

    No.
    SUN readers can mark this momentous day with a FREE Brexit souvenir – a commemorative 50p, worth £10.

    That’s right! We are giving away 100 of the brilliant uncirculated coins to celebrate the UK’s historic departure from the European Union.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10860045/sun-readers-free-brexit-souvenir-50p-coin/
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    The Sun is giving away 100 commemorative 50p coins. Has Rupert cut the budget?

    Don’t worry Boris the promised the NHS over £500/sec after Brexit is done.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension....

    The EU enters February 2020 a far less credible thing.

    It’s the UK, not the EU that has a credibility problem after the Brexit process
    Imagine the US President, sitting in the White House, announcing gravely that as of tomorrow, "there will only be 49 stars on our slightly-less star spangled banner."

    Because that is what just happened to the EU.

    Now imagine the fall-out in the US. The next thing the President would be telling the people is that he was resigning. Before the Senate got a chance to fire his sorry ass, for allowing this humiliation to come about.

    The EU? At the most senior level of its management, it just has no concept of fuck up.
    I'd agree there should be more of a sense of self reflection in Brussels, but, that said, I do find it odd when leavers criticize the EU for not being the United States of Europe of their imagination.

    It is still a member organisation, an unusually powerful one perhaps, but still.a member organisation, that has lost a member. It is simply not like a USA that has lost a state. It is different.

    It is like when you bewail the lack of a politician who campaigns for the EU presidency from Birmingham to Berlin, channelling the spirit of some William Glen federalist erotic dream. The EU presidency is not like that because the EU is not like that, the nation's do not wish it and they are happy with their own domestic democratic power bases, thank you very much.

    But we're leaving, so your confusion over what it is we are leaving is, for the present time, rather more moot.
    If the EU is not going to have politicians campaigning from Birmingham to Berlin then it shouldn't have politicians passing laws from Birmingham to Berlin.
  • The Sun is giving away 100 commemorative 50p coins. Has Rupert cut the budget?

    Are the gold ones?
    Good question. I was going by the picture at the top of this thread.

    No.
    SUN readers can mark this momentous day with a FREE Brexit souvenir – a commemorative 50p, worth £10.

    That’s right! We are giving away 100 of the brilliant uncirculated coins to celebrate the UK’s historic departure from the European Union.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10860045/sun-readers-free-brexit-souvenir-50p-coin/
    I would get more for selling them some snap some z-list celeb staggering out of some nightclub at 3am.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Jonathan said:

    For years Brexiteers and Eurosceptics have been destructively complaining about the world. They can’t do that now, this is their world. It is time for them to come good.

    That was one of the Brexiteers arguments Jonathan, as Gove himself said earlier this week now politicians like him will have nowhere to hide.
    Absolutely, they will owe the NHS £350M/wk the moment Brexit is done. The onus on the rest of us is to give him the same respect and support they gave the old settlement.
  • Jonathan said:

    The Sun is giving away 100 commemorative 50p coins. Has Rupert cut the budget?

    Don’t worry Boris the promised the NHS over £500/sec after Brexit is done.
    That is actually something we are actually going to get, give or take. But I think that is as much despite Brexit as because of.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,731

    Jonathan said:

    For years Brexiteers and Eurosceptics have been destructively complaining about the world. They can’t do that now, this is their world. It is time for them to come good.

    That was one of the Brexiteers arguments Jonathan, as Gove himself said earlier this week now politicians like him will have nowhere to hide.
    One of the main reasons I voted Leave was to stop the likes of Cameron pledging to do something about immigration, then treble it and say there was nothing he could do about it.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    Sad day for those like me who never wanted to leave the EU, but I don't mind brexiteers celebrating or marking the occasion. Steve Baker's comments on it were good.

    I do also feel relief in a way that the whole mess is behind us. I think the heat will go out of brexit as a news story very quickly, and the PM will have a lot more room to manoeuvre in the next stage of the negotiations. He will compromise in certain areas to enable a mid level trade agreement to be signed, enough to avoid any sort of dramatic cliff edges in 2021. I also don't see rejoin being a mainstream idea in the next couple decades.

    It probably means Boris will be the first tory PM in decades not to be destroyed over Europe, so what will bring him down instead?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961

    Pension-pot holders across the land will remember this day as a national tragedy.

    Enjoy Next Phase of Life. I hop your partner is looking forward to it too.

    He’s threatening to go back to work.
    The wife in a couple we know pointed out to the husband on the day after his retirement that 'they'd married for better or worse, but not for lunch!'.
    He'd been into computing very early, worked for one of the big companies and consequently did a lot of travelling. Having him home all day needed quite an adjustment.
    And he doesn't like golf!
    Retirement does mean getting under each other's feet all day but I wonder if there is also a touch of the lottery winners' curse, that now they can afford to do (or have time to do) whatever they want, they discover what they want is two different things. A friend mentioned the other day that he only holidays abroad because his wife likes to; if they could suddenly afford a year cruising round the world, would their marriage last?
    I mentioned the U3a. We both belong, belong to quite a few interest groups, but only both belong to one, a Lunch Group where we work round the local pubs etc once per month.
    Only taking one month to get round all the local pubs, etc sounds like a full-time job!!
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,785
    edited January 2020
    I thought Ed Davey put it well yesterday, and the move of the opposition parties to post Brexit campaign positions is going to be pretty seamless one, aided by the leadership changes. The battle for the kind of Brexit we have, the battle for every little bit of softness where everything agreed covers rights or sandpapers the jags of our Stranraer border, the battle for where Boris's pragmatic realpolitik should lie. That is the battle that we will resume in a month or so; that will be the battle of 2020.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,094
    Nigelb said:

    Pension-pot holders across the land will remember this day as a national tragedy.

    Enjoy Next Phase of Life. I hop your partner is looking forward to it too.

    He’s threatening to go back to work.
    The wife in a couple we know pointed out to the husband on the day after his retirement that 'they'd married for better or worse, but not for lunch!'.
    He'd been into computing very early, worked for one of the big companies and consequently did a lot of travelling. Having him home all day needed quite an adjustment.
    And he doesn't like golf!
    I’ve more or less been pointed to the outside studio and told to make that my daytime residence. As for what I shall do, I have ideas but I’m also considering suggestions.
    Now you’ve given up on the law, you can put your obvious skills to some good use...

    But seriously, best wishes with whatever you come up with.
    One thing you quickly learn is that the reason you hadn’t done whilst working a fair few items on the wishlist in your mind wasn’t lack of time, after all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,718
    edited January 2020
    Compare the Mail headline 'A new dawn for Britain' and the Express headline 'Yes we did it!' and the Sun headline 'Our time has come' and the Telegraph making Boris look Churchillian, to the Guardian headline 'small island' and the I headline 'UK's leap into the unknown' while the Mirror largely ignores it
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653
    Anyone else surprised how well Dawn Butler is doing in CLP nominations? She`s in strong second place. Anything to read into this?
  • Sad day for those like me who never wanted to leave the EU, but I don't mind brexiteers celebrating or marking the occasion. Steve Baker's comments on it were good.

    I do also feel relief in a way that the whole mess is behind us. I think the heat will go out of brexit as a news story very quickly, and the PM will have a lot more room to manoeuvre in the next stage of the negotiations. He will compromise in certain areas to enable a mid level trade agreement to be signed, enough to avoid any sort of dramatic cliff edges in 2021. I also don't see rejoin being a mainstream idea in the next couple decades.

    It probably means Boris will be the first tory PM in decades not to be destroyed over Europe, so what will bring him down instead?

    Europe. We'll be in a transition period when we wake up tomorrow so there is plenty of time for things to go pear-shaped. Perhaps Boris can arrange an EU customs border just outside Watford; who knows?
  • The Sun is giving away 100 commemorative 50p coins. Has Rupert cut the budget?

    Are the gold ones?
    Good question. I was going by the picture at the top of this thread.

    No.
    SUN readers can mark this momentous day with a FREE Brexit souvenir – a commemorative 50p, worth £10.

    That’s right! We are giving away 100 of the brilliant uncirculated coins to celebrate the UK’s historic departure from the European Union.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10860045/sun-readers-free-brexit-souvenir-50p-coin/
    Rupe splashing out a grand? Our Brexity cup of something not German or French runneth over.
  • So, I am projecting forward 15 hours to 11.00 pm and imagining the anger and frustration I’ll feel when Spurs haven’t signed a striker and the transfer window has closed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,718
    edited January 2020
    Starmer pushes for 'a close economic relationship with the EU that protects jobs and pushes for co operation in other fields.'
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,288

    So, I am projecting forward 15 hours to 11.00 pm and imagining the anger and frustration I’ll feel when Spurs haven’t signed a striker and the transfer window has closed.

    greetings SO.. I wonder why your frustration is only that Spurs have not signed a striker, they are the nearly men, they will be unlikely to succeed because they choke at key moments.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    Stocky said:

    Anyone else surprised how well Dawn Butler is doing in CLP nominations? She`s in strong second place. Anything to read into this?

    Burgon is buggered.....
  • Europe still has no idea what just happened to its credibility.

    They wanted to forge the United States of Europe. But it's like Texas just voted to leave the USA. OK, so Texas might be the most semi-detatched state. But the loss of that large state would have massive repurcussions in the US. The EU? Nobody even lost a day of their pension....

    The EU enters February 2020 a far less credible thing.

    It’s the UK, not the EU that has a credibility problem after the Brexit process
    Imagine the US President, sitting in the White House, announcing gravely that as of tomorrow, "there will only be 49 stars on our slightly-less star spangled banner."

    Because that is what just happened to the EU.

    Now imagine the fall-out in the US. The next thing the President would be telling the people is that he was resigning. Before the Senate got a chance to fire his sorry ass, for allowing this humiliation to come about.

    The EU? At the most senior level of its management, it just has no concept of fuck up.

    So what?

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    HYUFD said:

    Compare the Mail headline 'A new dawn for Britain' and the Express headline 'Yes we did it!' and the Sun headline 'Our time has come' and the Telegraph making Boris look Churchillian, to the Guardian headline 'small island' and the I headline 'UK's leap into the unknown' while the Mirror largely ignores it

    What’s your point?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
    In all seriousness, congratulations Alastair. Very well deserved.

    You must have done well to be retiring at 52 (?) or something like that?!
    Thank you. Yes, 52, but I’ve always wanted to try to use some different skills and this gives me the opportunity to do so.
    My pleasure.

    Any thoughts on how you might do that which you’d care to share? What are you considering?
    I’m going to be slightly coy there. I’m looking out for difficult things that no one wants to do but everyone wants to have done rather than enjoyable things that there are no shortage of volunteers for.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072

    Meeksit means Meeksit. I suppose today is as good a day as any to announce that I’m retiring on 30 April.

    I picked 30th April too. That was 17 years ago though. The other big event for us that day was that elder son's first child was born that day. Now he's having driving lessons at a 'cardrome' and looking forward to being on the road properly. He and I were messaging each other about automatic cars last night, as per the discussion where.
    30 April is a convenient date for me - it’s my firm’s year end.
    In all seriousness, congratulations Alastair. Very well deserved.

    You must have done well to be retiring at 52 (?) or something like that?!
    Thank you. Yes, 52, but I’ve always wanted to try to use some different skills and this gives me the opportunity to do so.
    My pleasure.

    Any thoughts on how you might do that which you’d care to share? What are you considering?
    I’m going to be slightly coy there. I’m looking out for difficult things that no one wants to do but everyone wants to have done rather than enjoyable things that there are no shortage of volunteers for.
    Ah, so you’re going to be working for Dom Cummings to sort Brexit out! It all makes sense now.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,718

    HYUFD said:

    Compare the Mail headline 'A new dawn for Britain' and the Express headline 'Yes we did it!' and the Sun headline 'Our time has come' and the Telegraph making Boris look Churchillian, to the Guardian headline 'small island' and the I headline 'UK's leap into the unknown' while the Mirror largely ignores it

    What’s your point?
    No need to be quite so aggressive, quite clear contrast of headlines based on Brexit stance that is all
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    HYUFD said:

    Compare the Mail headline 'A new dawn for Britain' and the Express headline 'Yes we did it!' and the Sun headline 'Our time has come' and the Telegraph making Boris look Churchillian, to the Guardian headline 'small island' and the I headline 'UK's leap into the unknown' while the Mirror largely ignores it

    The Mail, the Express and the Telegraph are selling to mad old codgers. Of course they’re going to go loopy today.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653
    Who`s going to be in Parliament Square at 11pm?

    I (and Mrs Stocky) are coming down by train this morning and making a couple of days out of it.

    Is there anywhere else in London to keep an eye on for action e.g. Traf Square, Buck Palace, Downing Street?

    Anyone know where Johnson is making his speech at 10 pm? I think he`s in Sunderland this morning.

    And finally, and most importantly, where am I to take Mrs Stocky out for a meal this evening near Westminster? Any recommendations?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653

    Stocky said:

    Anyone else surprised how well Dawn Butler is doing in CLP nominations? She`s in strong second place. Anything to read into this?

    Burgon is buggered.....
    I`ve just placed a few quid on Butler at a massive 140/1 just in case Rayner blows up.
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