“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
And, there we have it. The EU *are* worried about it, that comment is very telling, but they just don’t believe them.
The difference between Boris and May is that he may well mean it, and he has the votes to do it too.
If he is going to impose customs posts, perhaps you can enlighten us on where they will be on goods travelling from the Republic of Ireland to Great Britain via Northern Ireland. Or do I have to bring up hemispatial neglect again?
On that particular bit, in the Irish Sea, as required, or digitally. And yes, I know he says he won’t etc blah blah blah, so don’t bother pointing that out to me.
Try and make a new interesting point rather than an old and boring one, gone over a million times.
"In the Irish Sea"? I have this image of a shed on a raft.
More seriously, I appreciate you find it boring, but it is also important and relevant. The inability/refusal of people to come to terms with this point - as evinced by your uncharacteristically rude response - is notable.
Yaaaaaaaaawwwnnn
You asked a stupid question. So I gave a stupid answer.
We’ve all moved on from NI border now. That’s so 2019.
Next.
Did you make a dismissive waving hand gesture and/or make a sound like "tchoo" or "pfuee" when you saw it? It's a characteristic response.
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
It is a bit rich of Labour to be claiming it was a well intentioned. They have already admitted it was designed to upset the Right. "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date"
They sowed the wind, and have reaped the whirlwind.
Yes. They did. And your party is not much brighter so I expect them to make equally momentous screw-ups. Actually, I think they made a gigantic one less than an hour ago, but time will tell.
Leavers should give a big hand to John Major whose peevish, embittered uselessness was a key turning point in setting the country on the course which has led to today.
It should be remembered that back in 1992 the number of Conservative MPs who wanted to leave the then EC was less than ten.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Leavers should give a big hand to John Major whose peevish, embittered uselessness was a key turning point in setting the country on the course which has led to today.
It should be remembered that back in 1992 the number of Conservative MPs who wanted to leave the then EC was less than ten.
Doesn't that show what a transformation Maastricht was? Federalism really shifted up a gear then.
“We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts,” said a senior Whitehall source with knowledge of the plans. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.” ... UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU.
A senior EU source rejected the idea. “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”
They are just being realistic and implementing what has been agreed in the PD. Why are you criticising the Govt for doing what hey have said they will do?
Which bit of "UK negotiators hope the move will increase their leverage in the negotiation, raising the cost of a ‘WTO-exit’ for the EU" did you not understand?
They’re trying to make a WTO-exit credible to increase leverage in the primary trade talks. To be credible, we have to be prepared and be seen to be prepared and to go through with it if our bluff is called.
I think that’s a fair, if high risk, strategy.
It’s not credible though . The ports haven’t even got the infrastructure to cope , this is just more delusional clap trap to keep the WW2 wannabes happy .
They’ll do it. They have to. They lose otherwise for sure.
"Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls."
It is a bit rich of Labour to be claiming it was a well intentioned. They have already admitted it was designed to upset the Right. "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date"
They sowed the wind, and have reaped the whirlwind.
Yes. They did. And your party is not much brighter so I expect them to make equally momentous screw-ups. Actually, I think they made a gigantic one less than an hour ago, but time will tell.
Unlike you, I don’t see the world in black and white (albeit you’re happy to switch your POV from black to white over the years) so I am perfectly able to accept the Conservative Party is far from perfect, and very capable of making screw ups.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
As a lapsed leaver turned remainer it's an ambivalent evening really. While one cannot doubt the ability of Boris to secure victory I wish I were more persuaded by his cohorts to have confidence in the future under him. I expect i shall become a sour note forever moaning about the shape of that which I helped set into motion.
Oh well, nothing to be done about it now. Happy transition period everyone. The 20s are going to be bumpy, one way or another.
Well, I’m off to San Jose tomorrow for a week in Silicon Valley, doing my bit for Brexit Britain. I imagine there will be lots of questions. The UK will be an excellent European base for BigTech - if we get our immigration regime right.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
Surprusingly, in my bit of South Mamchester middle class suburbia remainia - about four miles inwards from yours - there are fireworks. I'm used to being the only leaver in the village, as it were, so this is slightly unexpected.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.
Well, I’m off to San Jose tomorrow for a week in Silicon Valley, doing my bit for Brexit Britain. I imagine there will be lots of questions. The UK will be an excellent European base for BigTech - if we get our immigration regime right.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
While you probably shouldn't read too much into it, there's an American Strategies (nope, never heard of them) Iowa poll out today which shows Klobuchar into third place on 16%, and only one point behind Biden.
She's definitely seeing a late surge. The only question is if it will be enough.
I'm on her at monster odds, so will be EXTREMELY boring about her if she wins the nomination.
Well, I’m off to San Jose tomorrow for a week in Silicon Valley, doing my bit for Brexit Britain. I imagine there will be lots of questions. The UK will be an excellent European base for BigTech - if we get our immigration regime right.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
Surprusingly, in my bit of South Mamchester middle class suburbia remainia - about four miles inwards from yours - there are fireworks. I'm used to being the only leaver in the village, as it were, so this is slightly unexpected.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.
Well, I’m off to San Jose tomorrow for a week in Silicon Valley, doing my bit for Brexit Britain. I imagine there will be lots of questions. The UK will be an excellent European base for BigTech - if we get our immigration regime right.
As a lapsed leaver turned remainer it's an ambivalent evening really. While one cannot doubt the ability of Boris to secure victory I wish I were more persuaded by his cohorts to have confidence in the future under him. I expect i shall become a sour note forever moaning about the shape of that which I helped set into motion.
Oh well, nothing to be done about it now. Happy transition period everyone. The 20s are going to be bumpy, one way or another.
Not only changing your mind but admitting having done so. This renders you a very special construct indeed. Hats off.
While you probably shouldn't read too much into it, there's an American Strategies (nope, never heard of them) Iowa poll out today which shows Klobuchar into third place on 16%, and only one point behind Biden.
She's definitely seeing a late surge. The only question is if it will be enough.
I'm on her at monster odds, so will be EXTREMELY boring about her if she wins the nomination.
I think she’s fantastic and would love her to get the nod. I don’t think she’ll manage it but she’s articulate, centrist and eminently sensible.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
I have said on this blog on regular occasions that we would not, in the end, actually leave the EU.
I was wrong and I accept the shame.
If we're to be shamed for getting things wrong then the only people safe will be those who change their minds so often they are technically always right because theyve predicted every outcome.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doing
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
Lol Southam 5 more years in opposition for you.
First time CON have increased their vote in six straight elections since 1066
Actually, the last time Britain threw off the yoke of continental oppression it was similarly low key. When the Romans left (and I can't remember the details here, surely we have some classicist who can step in?) the British leader wrote a polite letter to Rome noting that as there were no soldiers left in the country, would it be ok if we ran our own affairs? Estrangement from Europe was not universally welcomed then either, particularly among the elite. [Note this is based on a couple of paragraphs I read on the subject a couple of decades ago; I will take no offence at more learned contributors elucidating or flat out contradicting].
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
It is, as of today. Your ability to run to the EU and say the beastly UK is being beastly to you just ended.....
Actually, the last time Britain threw off the yoke of foreign oppression it was similarly low key. When the Romans left (and I can't remember the details here, surely we have some classicist who can step in?) the British leader wrote a polite letter to Rome noting that as there were no soldiers left in the country, would it be ok if we ran our own affairs? Estrangement from Europe was not universally welcomed then either, particularly among the elite. [Note this is based on a couple of paragraphs I read on the subject a couple of decades ago; I will take no offence at more learned contributors elucidating or flat out contradicting].
Leavers should give a big hand to John Major whose peevish, embittered uselessness was a key turning point in setting the country on the course which has led to today.
It should be remembered that back in 1992 the number of Conservative MPs who wanted to leave the then EC was less than ten.
Doesn't that show what a transformation Maastricht was? Federalism really shifted up a gear then.
Indeed.
But it was also the economic shambles of the ERM and the way the EU showed it had contempt for democracy after the Danish referendum.
Richard you fine fellow. I believe it is only fair to give you a chance to close the bet we had now. Whilst there is a theoretical possibility that at the end of the transition we will move to EFTA, I think it is now vanishingly small and so believe I should do the honourable thing and settle up.
I believe I owe you £100. If by some miracle we do move to EFTA in December we can always sort something out but given you have waited three and a half years to get your money back from me I think it is wrong to make you wait any longer.
Send me details old chap and I will make the arrangements.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doing
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
The only bottle of white in our fridge is from the Bolney Estate in Sussex. I feel a bit of a wally drinking a glass of it tonight, but it’s only because there’s nothing else, not because of Brexit!
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
It is, as of today. Your ability to run to the EU and say the beastly UK is being beastly to you just ended.....
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
Lol Southam 5 more years in opposition for you.
First time CON have increased their vote in six straight elections since 1066
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
Surprusingly, in my bit of South Mamchester middle class suburbia remainia - about four miles inwards from yours - there are fireworks. I'm used to being the only leaver in the village, as it were, so this is slightly unexpected.
I am no longer there. I moved
Goodnight all.
I didn't know that. Good night to you too, wherever you are. May your dreams be of Ireland and shoes. Irish shoes, perhaps.
Just walked thriugh George Square, about 50 blokes with UJs in the rain. For some reason they seemed to be blasting out Status Quo from a tinny speaker, which is sending out mixed messages to say the least.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
It is, as of today. Your ability to run to the EU and say the beastly UK is being beastly to you just ended.....
Brexiteers and eurosceptics don’t get to blame the EU any more. Since they’ve spent the last 30 years being negative, doing us down, don’t count on a huge amount of positive support now.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.
I don't know for sure, and apologies for speaking for another poster, but I think Bev was born in Northern Ireland.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doing
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.
I believe the people who supported Brexit won't sleep tonight.
Why would that be? Nervousness? Excitement? Secret shame?
If it's the latter id say it's usually wrong to assume people dont mean what they say, and anyone still a leaver wont regret that tonight. If it's the middle I doubt many are so enthused they'll give up a night's rest about it. If it's the first, well, leaps like this will cause disquiet even for many supporters, but the nerves will be there tomorrow so of course they'll sleep.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.
Though with an EU spouse you have other ways to keep your FoM as I understand.
It is just the rest of us who have had our rights reduced and removed.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.
I went to Leamington once and could only find Cheddar 😊😊🇪🇺
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
I do not think eating French cheese, drinking Italian wine and listening to Beethoven is unpatriotic. I certainly don’t regard it as treasonous. My guess is most Brits would feel the same.
Indeed, our Royal Family are German and Greek, and our national board set his most famous plays in Italy, Denmark, and Greece.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doing
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.
Indeed, but there is something unpatriotic about celebrating nothing of the many good things this country stands for or has to offer.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
That's where you're absolutely wrong. I am a unionist. I don't show my love by trashing it, like your lot are doing
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
How are you showing your love for the Union then? Did you fly a British flag, or sing a British song?
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
I celebrated with English Cider Brandy. But tomorrow night I will open a lovely bottle of St Julien and will love every mouthful. We left the EU, not Europe. There is nothing unpatriotic about enjoying the many good things that the continent has to offer.
Exactly. We have left a political and economic alliance, not a continent.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
I am not trying to win hearts and minds. Brexit is not my project. I do not have to make it work, nor will I defend it or its supporters in any way.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
You’re about as Irish as my small toenail.
Though with an EU spouse you have other ways to keep your FoM as I understand.
It is just the rest of us who have had our rights reduced and removed.
Nope, wrong dummy.
I have British citizenship alone, am not eligible or interested in applying for any other (ever) and my wife voted Leave too.
I never asked for EU citizenship, nor wanted it, so spare me your crocodile tears.
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Treasonous and pathetic.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
I’m afraid you don’t own patriotism or get to define it. That’s not how things work in Britain!
What’s patriotic about that celebration? Seriously, *anything* listed?
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
The only bottle of white in our fridge is from the Bolney Estate in Sussex. I feel a bit of a wally drinking a glass of it tonight, but it’s only because there’s nothing else, not because of Brexit!
"Bacchus", that's a suspiciously foreign sounding word. Are you sure it's not secretly Greek wine?
We sit back and watch the Leavers cry as their Pyrrhic victory turns to ashes at the hands of Boris's ineptitude.
PB is addictive, isn't it?
Not really. The last six weeks collective w*nkfest of the PB Tories has not exactly made edifying reading. I have only popped back here for the non-event, damp squib that is Brexit. There are no parties in the street around here, no fireworks. This is not a nation celebrating its freedom.
And, I see you’re celebrating by bringing back dee Oirish flag, and insulting those who disagree with you.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
Time for Brexiteers to deliver the unicorns.
I agree there is now no hiding place, and those who advocated Leave will now have to deliver.
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
It deserves exactly the same respect and support that Brexiteers and Eurosceptics gave the previous arrangements.
And, with such childish and petulant sentiments, the bile will continue.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
Brexiteers need to be held to account for every promise. They should expect to be treated in the same way they treated others.
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It should be remembered that back in 1992 the number of Conservative MPs who wanted to leave the then EC was less than ten.
Really going to win hearts and minds there.
Now is not the end. It’s not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Apparently our courts are ruled by Germany ! Sorry Leavers I’m not getting the unite spirit .
That’s going to be a really shit sequel.
The EU supreme court is in Luxembourg.
Oh well, nothing to be done about it now. Happy transition period everyone. The 20s are going to be bumpy, one way or another.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/31/they-survived-fire-and-lead-poisoning-so-what-happened-next-to-notre-dames-bees-aoe
So, it will succeed or fail on its own merits for future generations to judge v.how the EU and the rest of the world evolve.
All I ask is that it’s given a fair shot.
As for the Irish flag, since I am Irish....
My wife unexpectedly appeared with some French cheese, we opened a bottle of Italian wine, and listened to Beethoven's 9th, including Ode to Joy. I am feeling quite mellow. My biggest regret tonight is for the United Kingdom, which I think has been irreparably damaged by Brexit.
Its little known but in return for the UK rebate in the 1980s the Germans forced a requirement for the BBC to broadcast the Legend of Tim Tyler.
Officially one of the worst shows in TV history, this attempt at German cultural domination sowed the seeds for where we are now.
She's definitely seeing a late surge. The only question is if it will be enough.
I'm on her at monster odds, so will be EXTREMELY boring about her if she wins the nomination.
Such behaviour is what pisses off Leavers, and why they’re not all happy, because it demonstrates no love or loyalty for the UK.
1918 and 1945.
Nuff said
Goodnight all.
I have said on this blog on regular occasions that we would not, in the end, actually leave the EU.
I was wrong and I accept the shame.
Leavers get cross at Remoaners because they think their loyalties are in doubt, and they are called racist idiots in return.
That’s where a lot of the bile comes from.
Anyway, my good mood continues and to bed.
First time CON have increased their vote in six straight elections since 1066
CON in power until 2200
But as soon as the election was sorted out I never wobbled on Boris winning with a majority and taking us out.
But it was also the economic shambles of the ERM and the way the EU showed it had contempt for democracy after the Danish referendum.
I believe I owe you £100. If by some miracle we do move to EFTA in December we can always sort something out but given you have waited three and a half years to get your money back from me I think it is wrong to make you wait any longer.
Send me details old chap and I will make the arrangements.
No, of course you didn’t. You ate French cheese and drank Italian wine, and then sung the EU anthem, and those are the things you mentioned on here. Because you think Britishness is now decidedly un-U, and you’re embarrassed. You didn’t shed a single tear over the national interest.
So, people call into suspicion both your motives and your loyalties.
We wake in a Brave New.....nah, forget it.
Well done for being such a Big Man and playing your part in rising above it.
I voting Rebecca Long Bailey 🇪🇺
If it's the latter id say it's usually wrong to assume people dont mean what they say, and anyone still a leaver wont regret that tonight. If it's the middle I doubt many are so enthused they'll give up a night's rest about it. If it's the first, well, leaps like this will cause disquiet even for many supporters, but the nerves will be there tomorrow so of course they'll sleep.
It is just the rest of us who have had our rights reduced and removed.
I have British citizenship alone, am not eligible or interested in applying for any other (ever) and my wife voted Leave too.
I never asked for EU citizenship, nor wanted it, so spare me your crocodile tears.
Grow up.