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edited March 2020 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » YouGov finds remainers more likely to believe that coronavirus is a major threat than leavers

Over a third of Brits (36%) say they have spoken to their loved ones more than usual over the course of the last two weeks https://t.co/Yx3iWTHlDO pic.twitter.com/Ogf9m11ptB

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    edited March 2020
    It's all a plot to give us BINO.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,254
    Second
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It's all a plot to give us BINO.

    I knew it!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    So how do the measures put forward by our government compare with other countries?
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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It's all a plot to give us BINO.

    Being serious now, yes, Brexit should be put on hold, Boris did not really want it, and he now has cover to do what he wants. Whatever is needed, or some other trite phrase.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    One point which I don't think has been made: some low-paid workers rely on overtime and (if they work in restaurants etc) on tips to top up their base earnings. I presume those extra payments won't be covered by the government's 80% guarantee.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Socialism is good actually says the chancellor
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,441
    jayfdee said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It's all a plot to give us BINO.

    Being serious now, yes, Brexit should be put on hold, Boris did not really want it, and he now has cover to do what he wants. Whatever is needed, or some other trite phrase.
    Oh no, then we’d get the Coronavirus-was-a-remainer-engineered-plot conspiracy theory, which I’m really not ready for.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,938
    JM1 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andrew said:

    rcs1000 said:


    1. Italian families are larger than Chinese ones, and therefore there will be significant continued familial infection after lockdown
    2. Italians are ignoring the lockdown
    3. Testing is ramping up, and earlier counts were an underestimate


    For #3, yep they're testing a lot more over the last 3 days (+17k, +17k, +24k). They only broke +10k nine days ago, and as recently as the 5th it was just +3k.
    Wow, that's close to a 50% increase in testing yesterday. That's got to have an impact on discovered cases.
    Gosh - yes! That is a big factor - the actual fraction of positive cases thus declined from 31% to 25% today (more equivalent to the day before). I wonder if the fraction of positive cases is not the better statistic for understanding whether the epidemic is growing or not? Assuming they are sampling the same 'type' of people each day it would be more interpretable. @rcs1000 what do you think?
    Well, that's the rub, isn't it? Assuming the sample is the same is far from certain. One would expect that - as testing capability increased - they would test more marginal, less symptomatic cases.

    That being said, the increase in testing was so significant yesterday that, even if CV-19 incidence was in decline, you'd still expect to see an increase in diagnoses.

    It would be sensible to put together a hybrid measure, that took into account both the proportion positive, and the raw number. If I wasn't really busy, I'd have a go :smile:
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,938
    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,843
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    One point which I don't think has been made: some low-paid workers rely on overtime and (if they work in restaurants etc) on tips to top up their base earnings. I presume those extra payments won't be covered by the government's 80% guarantee.

    Doubtful I would have thought but 80% is still better than uc probably and don't forget he mentioned increasing working tax credits as well
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,052
    jayfdee said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It's all a plot to give us BINO.

    Being serious now, yes, Brexit should be put on hold, Boris did not really want it, and he now has cover to do what he wants. Whatever is needed, or some other trite phrase.
    He could frame it as taking one less distraction off the agenda for the EU27 as a gesture of solidarity.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,254
    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    Shadow Chancellor?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    This is going to set the tongues wagging.
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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Very impressed with our Chancellor, what a meteoric rise to fame, and definitely firm favourite for next PM, he makes Boris look like the bufoon he is.
    Can you seriously imagine Corbyn and crew handling this, yes Boris is useless but he is using the experts and science and a talented Chancellor to the full.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    tlg86 said:

    So how do the measures put forward by our government compare with other countries?

    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1241059548074475521

    (I'm not sure exactly how comparable those figures are, though, there are no doubt a lot of other differences in things like benefits).
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Pagan2 said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    One point which I don't think has been made: some low-paid workers rely on overtime and (if they work in restaurants etc) on tips to top up their base earnings. I presume those extra payments won't be covered by the government's 80% guarantee.

    Doubtful I would have thought but 80% is still better than uc probably and don't forget he mentioned increasing working tax credits as well
    On the other hand people's costs when not working aren't going to be quite the same as when they were. If inflation doesn't destroy it then many people are going to have money to burn at the end of this (at least in comparison to what they had before)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    This is going to set the tongues wagging.
    Ex Prime Minister?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    alex_ said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    This is going to set the tongues wagging.
    Ex Prime Minister?
    No, Dave posts as [moderated]
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,718
    alex_ said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    This is going to set the tongues wagging.
    Ex Prime Minister?
    We need to know
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    alex_ said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    This is going to set the tongues wagging.
    Ex Prime Minister?
    No, Dave posts as [moderated]
    Is that you, Dave? :p
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    alex_ said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    This is going to set the tongues wagging.
    Ex Prime Minister?
    No, Dave posts as [moderated]
    Wasn't going for him...
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,938
    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    On a scale of

    10 - sainthood guaranteed

    to...

    0 - eats babies

    Foxtons estate agents come far, far below most private sector landlords.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,765
    edited March 2020
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It's all a plot to give us BINO.

    Nah, it's a Leave plot to show us that once this is all over, no deal Brexit won't be so bad!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    I am a fantastic landlord, I've given my tenant a rent free holiday period for as long as Covid-19 lasts, and before that, I charged them well below the going rate.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,052
    rcs1000 said:

    williamglenn said:

    rcs1000 said:

    brokenwheel said:

    rcs1000 said:

    NerysHughes said:

    AndreaParma_82 said:

    627 new deaths in Italy

    689 new healed

    Net increase in currently positive cases is 4670.
    So almost 6000 new cases

    The lock down is not working then
    The worrying numbers are from Lombardy and Veneto, rather than the general ones. You see, it took 10-12 days from the lockdown announcement in Hubei, to reported new cases falling because of the significant timelage between infection and reporting.

    My assumption was that we'd see a similar trend in Italy, with overall numbers peaking today or tomorrow, and Lombardy/Veneto peaking Wednesday/Thursday (as those regions had the initial lockdown).

    But the current numbers don't show this. It's not clear why this is the case, but here are three options:

    1. Italian families are larger than Chinese ones, and therefore there will be significant continued familial infection after lockdown
    2. Italians are ignoring the lockdown
    3. Testing is ramping up, and earlier counts were an underestimate

    Any - or all - of these could be a factor.
    Well the Chinese doctors seem to think #2 is a factor...
    https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1240889102804889600
    You can't do a half-hearted lockdown and expect it to as effective as the Chinese example.
    True but...

    If you assume that - given no social distancing - then cases double every two days. Well, even if just two in three people lock themselves at home, then the R0 will drop below 1.

    The advantage of properly enforcing a lockdown is that R0 is driven to zero in just 30 days or so.
    I think your logic is faulty. Even if two in three people lock themselves up, the R0 could still be unaffected if the remainder continue to interact as normal. It would only stop when the pandemic reached a natural peak among those people. Hypothetically, in a region of 10m, if you took 6.6m out of circulation, that could still mean ~2m infections.
    You are correct. Sort of. And wrong. Sort of.

    Fistly, the infected in the two thirds (which would be two thirds of the infections...) would not be able to infect anyone, and would have R0s of 0.

    For the other third, as there would be only one third the number of people they could bump into, surely their infectiousness would also decline, unless they managed to maintain the same level of social interaction as previously.

    Pls see the NYTimes visualisation.
    It's true that taking a proportion of infected people out of circulation would reduce the number, but that's a one-off hit if infectuous people continue to circulate. The flaw in the visualisation you refer to is that it assumes a strict correlation between population density and the potential for social interactions that could transfer the virus and real life isn't quite that straightforward.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,190
    jayfdee said:

    Very impressed with our Chancellor, what a meteoric rise to fame, and definitely firm favourite for next PM, he makes Boris look like the bufoon he is.
    Can you seriously imagine Corbyn and crew handling this, yes Boris is useless but he is using the experts and science and a talented Chancellor to the full.

    Imagine yes.

    Oh God No.

    Imagine it - they would have implemented social distancing by closing only the businesses of evil capitalist scumbags. They would have announced a subsidy for furloughs workers paid for by Richard Branson and the scum who own Thames Water...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    CatMan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It's all a plot to give us BINO.

    Nah, it's a Leave plot to show us that once this is all over, no deal Brexit won't be so bad!
    It's a dry run.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Who are these "remainers" that you speak of?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,911
    @Anabobazina suggested this!

    https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1241077961362673664?s=21
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,254
    alex_ said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    alex_ said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    This is going to set the tongues wagging.
    Ex Prime Minister?
    No, Dave posts as [moderated]
    Wasn't going for him...
    Scanning the history, someone who works in academia or medicine, with an office that is now closed, and who has students, and a fair degree of expertise on medical matters.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,254
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    I am a fantastic landlord, I've given my tenant a rent free holiday period for as long as Covid-19 lasts, and before that, I charged them well below the going rate.
    But will that save you, when the revolution comes....
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,938
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    I am a fantastic landlord, I've given my tenant a rent free holiday period for as long as Covid-19 lasts, and before that, I charged them well below the going rate.
    Is the tenant your ex-wife?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    edited March 2020
    So this is why I'm classed as a key worker.

    https://twitter.com/AllieRenison/status/1241082273199460354
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,254
    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    On a scale of

    10 - sainthood guaranteed

    to...

    0 - eats babies

    Foxtons estate agents come far, far below most private sector landlords.
    Both are nevertheless on a negative score.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    rcs1000 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    I am a fantastic landlord, I've given my tenant a rent free holiday period for as long as Covid-19 lasts, and before that, I charged them well below the going rate.
    Is the tenant your ex-wife?
    God no, I'd be charging her 10 times the going rate.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Make of this what you will

    My son just texted me to say most of his Corbyn loving friends are praising Boris on facebook.......
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Grim figures from France:

    Head of the French health authority Jérôme Salomon in his daily update said the situation was worsening rapidly in France. Urged people to follow strictly the advice keep 1m distance and wash hands.

    It is “urgent” to do this, he said. There are now 12,612 confirmed cases in France, and 450 deaths. Of the deaths, 87% were aged over 70 years old. There are 5,226 people in hospital, 35% of them over 65 years old: 1,297 of these are in intensive care, 50% under 60 years old. 1,587 have been released from hospital.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-deaths-italy-uk-us-australia-europe-vaccine-china-global-economy-toll-latest-update-news
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    On a scale of

    10 - sainthood guaranteed

    to...

    0 - eats babies

    Foxtons estate agents come far, far below most private sector landlords.
    Both are nevertheless on a negative score.
    I've been renting for 15 years or so now and been lucky enough never to have a crap private sector landlord. Either really lucky, or they aren't all bad.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    edited March 2020
    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    I am a fantastic landlord, I've given my tenant a rent free holiday period for as long as Covid-19 lasts, and before that, I charged them well below the going rate.
    But will that save you, when the revolution comes....
    I've long realised when the revolution comes I'm going to be the first one up against the wall.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,254
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    On a scale of

    10 - sainthood guaranteed

    to...

    0 - eats babies

    Foxtons estate agents come far, far below most private sector landlords.
    Both are nevertheless on a negative score.
    I've been renting for 15 years or so now and been lucky enough never to have a crap private sector landlord. Either really lucky, or they aren't all bad.
    Weren’t you abroad? At least until recently.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,843
    Given we had had so far this century H1N1, SARS, MERS, EBOLA, ZIKA and now COVID19 which has got away from us I think something that should be worrying us is if we can get over the economic damage before the next one
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    On a scale of

    10 - sainthood guaranteed

    to...

    0 - eats babies

    Foxtons estate agents come far, far below most private sector landlords.
    Both are nevertheless on a negative score.
    I've been renting for 15 years or so now and been lucky enough never to have a crap private sector landlord. Either really lucky, or they aren't all bad.
    Probably because you're a good tenant.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    edited March 2020
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    On a scale of

    10 - sainthood guaranteed

    to...

    0 - eats babies

    Foxtons estate agents come far, far below most private sector landlords.
    Both are nevertheless on a negative score.
    I've been renting for 15 years or so now and been lucky enough never to have a crap private sector landlord. Either really lucky, or they aren't all bad.
    Weren’t you abroad? At least until recently.
    Fair enough, ten of the fifteen years without having a crap private sector landlord in the UK ;)
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    JM1 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    I think so :) Feel free to drop me a message.
    OOH - is it Rees - Mogg?
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,316
    Floater said:

    Make of this what you will

    My son just texted me to say most of his Corbyn loving friends are praising Boris on facebook.......

    (Broken record mode=on) Boris won the election by being a better Corbyn than Jeremy Corbyn. The amount of reverse ferreting by both right and left is remarkable but was predictable and indeed predicted.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    If only Britannia and Cineworld would have waited a day or so, they would have avoided all that bad publicity.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RochdalePioneers said:

    jayfdee said:

    Very impressed with our Chancellor, what a meteoric rise to fame, and definitely firm favourite for next PM, he makes Boris look like the bufoon he is.
    Can you seriously imagine Corbyn and crew handling this, yes Boris is useless but he is using the experts and science and a talented Chancellor to the full.

    Imagine yes.

    Oh God No.

    Imagine it - they would have implemented social distancing by closing only the businesses of evil capitalist scumbags. They would have announced a subsidy for furloughs workers paid for by Richard Branson and the scum who own Thames Water...
    Or they would have "squeezed the Jews, because we all know they have lots of money, the greedy b*stards"

    Just to be clear the preceding sentence is intended to be a parody of an anti-semite's position and one that I completely reject.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    I am a fantastic landlord, I've given my tenant a rent free holiday period for as long as Covid-19 lasts, and before that, I charged them well below the going rate.
    But will that save you, when the revolution comes....
    I've long realised when the revolution comes I'm going to be the first one up against the wall.
    No, that was reserved for people ordering complicated coffees in a busy pub after 7.00 pm clogging up the serving staff as they faffed with beans, and milk warming, etc. I suppose even these fork tailed devils are now spared though, being as there’s no pubs.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,938
    RobD said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Coronavirus: Foxtons tells tenant having COVID-19 'cannot stop landlord viewings'

    Foxtons apologises after the tenant was told they could self-isolate "anywhere" but the property they were renting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-foxtons-tells-tenant-having-covid-19-cannot-stop-landlord-viewings-11960870

    But please landlord twitter, tell me how landlords are the good guys.

    Nothing is weirder on twitter than non landlords steaming in on a thread to defend landlords.
    On a scale of

    10 - sainthood guaranteed

    to...

    0 - eats babies

    Foxtons estate agents come far, far below most private sector landlords.
    Both are nevertheless on a negative score.
    I've been renting for 15 years or so now and been lucky enough never to have a crap private sector landlord. Either really lucky, or they aren't all bad.
    I've had one truly appalling landlord, who hung on to most of our deposit. And who was generally a shit.

    And I've had a couple of excellent ones.
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    LordWakefieldLordWakefield Posts: 144
    Default on all Chinese held Government Debt as way of compensation.

    https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?s=20
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,316
    edited March 2020
    Floater said:

    JM1 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    I think so :) Feel free to drop me a message.
    OOH - is it Rees - Mogg?
    I'd be no good at this name game. It is only this week I realised, several years after everyone else, that middle class celebrity couple David and Victoria Coren Mitchell have the same names as Posh & Becks.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    I'm sure there's a joke to be made about happy endings here but I don't think it is appropriate and because I have some sense of taste and decency.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1241084737923547148
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1241080296126197760
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,765
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Floater said:

    JM1 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    I think so :) Feel free to drop me a message.
    OOH - is it Rees - Mogg?
    I'd be no good at this name game. It is only this week I realised, several years after everyone else, that middle class celebrity couple David and Victoria Coren Mitchell have the same names as Posh & Becks.
    I wonder what part of the population think that David Mitchell the comedian is the same guy as David Mitchell the author. I never did of course...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,910
    My experience of landlords from ~ 2003 - 2008 was OK. None of them used agencies they all did it directly though.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited March 2020
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1241080091016335362?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1241080752403632130?s=20
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Floater said:

    JM1 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    I think so :) Feel free to drop me a message.
    OOH - is it Rees - Mogg?
    I'd be no good at this name game. It is only this week I realised, several years after everyone else, that middle class celebrity couple David and Victoria Coren Mitchell have the same names as Posh & Becks.
    If it makes you feel better, I hadn't realised until you mentioned it...
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,814
    One extant issue for pubs and restaurants and similar is rent, though.
    When I lived in a pub, by far our largest bill was the rent to the brewery. It was what drove my parents out, in time.
    Hopefully the small business grants already announced and the VAT deferment will help, but if this goes past a month or two, they’re going to need help with the rents.

    However, for the first time, I’m believing that Rishi will help them out as well when it becomes apparent that it’s needed.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Landlord took out a loan on the property we stayed in and then defaulted, after the bank repossessed he then threatened us with violence to try and extract money we didn't own him from us.

    Good times, good times.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1241072997366149122?s=20
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1241074721497780226?s=20
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,938
    CatMan said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Floater said:

    JM1 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    I think so :) Feel free to drop me a message.
    OOH - is it Rees - Mogg?
    I'd be no good at this name game. It is only this week I realised, several years after everyone else, that middle class celebrity couple David and Victoria Coren Mitchell have the same names as Posh & Becks.
    I wonder what part of the population think that David Mitchell the comedian is the same guy as David Mitchell the author. I never did of course...
    Wait. It wasn't the comedian who wrote Ghostwritten?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1241074721497780226?s=20

    Drop in the ocean, but good news for those who can get a new job.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited March 2020
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm sure there's a joke to be made about happy endings here but I don't think it is appropriate and because I have some sense of taste and decency.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1241084737923547148

    I don't see hotels in that list? Though hotel restaurants, bars and pools and gyms will have to close.

    So they basically become bed and room service only
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,841
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1241074721497780226?s=20

    It's always the way that someone profits from someone else's misfortune. The supermarkets are enjoying this crisis - as has been observed, people are continually re-stocking and emptying the shelves in a state of near hysteria.

    It would be nice to think the extra profits made by the supermarket could be donated to help others - I imagine finding 20,000 staff from somewhere will obviate the need of some individuals to draw on Sunak's Sink Fund.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,765
    rcs1000 said:

    CatMan said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Floater said:

    JM1 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JM1

    I hope you don't mind, but I looked at your email address in the system. Are you who your email address says you are?

    I think so :) Feel free to drop me a message.
    OOH - is it Rees - Mogg?
    I'd be no good at this name game. It is only this week I realised, several years after everyone else, that middle class celebrity couple David and Victoria Coren Mitchell have the same names as Posh & Becks.
    I wonder what part of the population think that David Mitchell the comedian is the same guy as David Mitchell the author. I never did of course...
    Wait. It wasn't the comedian who wrote Ghostwritten?
    If he also wrote Cloud Atlas, then no.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1241074721497780226?s=20

    It's always the way that someone profits from someone else's misfortune. The supermarkets are enjoying this crisis - as has been observed, people are continually re-stocking and emptying the shelves in a state of near hysteria.

    It would be nice to think the extra profits made by the supermarket could be donated to help others - I imagine finding 20,000 staff from somewhere will obviate the need of some individuals to draw on Sunak's Sink Fund.
    At someone point we'll all be fully stocked. Then they won't be laughing.
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    AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,589
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm sure there's a joke to be made about happy endings here but I don't think it is appropriate and because I have some sense of taste and decency.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1241084737923547148

    If the brothels aka massage parlours are shut in Edinburgh, then at least there will be more police on the streets, their social life will be dead.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,078
    What about hairdressers and barber shops?
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,841
    TheScreamingEagles said:


    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1241084737923547148

    It does include betting shops - well, that does clarify the situation somewhat. Bad news for the Irish racing industry which will get nothing in media rights for tomorrow's Thurles meeting but a huge boost for online bookmakers who are now the only game in town.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Gallowgate said:

    What about hairdressers and barber shops?

    Not on the list.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    https://twitter.com/jruddy99/status/1241087161744711680
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Mar a Lago closed
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm sure there's a joke to be made about happy endings here but I don't think it is appropriate and because I have some sense of taste and decency.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1241084737923547148

    If the brothels aka massage parlours are shut in Edinburgh, then at least there will be more police on the streets, their social life will be dead.
    LOL
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,254
    stodge said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:


    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1241084737923547148

    It does include betting shops - well, that does clarify the situation somewhat. Bad news for the Irish racing industry which will get nothing in media rights for tomorrow's Thurles meeting but a huge boost for online bookmakers who are now the only game in town.
    Most of these can be replaced by online options, and if the close down is sustained we are probably seeing an irreversible shift in our lifestyle.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    https://twitter.com/mrvndn/status/1241046275249881089
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    .
    IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:


    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1241084737923547148

    It does include betting shops - well, that does clarify the situation somewhat. Bad news for the Irish racing industry which will get nothing in media rights for tomorrow's Thurles meeting but a huge boost for online bookmakers who are now the only game in town.
    Most of these can be replaced by online options, and if the close down is sustained we are probably seeing an irreversible shift in our lifestyle.
    I dunno. People will still want to go to museums and art galleries, to see live music, go to the cinema etc. Even more so after 12 weeks stuck watching the TV.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm sure there's a joke to be made about happy endings here but I don't think it is appropriate and because I have some sense of taste and decency.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1241084737923547148

    If the brothels aka massage parlours are shut in Edinburgh, then at least there will be more police on the streets, their social life will be dead.
    Last week, for the first time in my life I actually saw a punter come out of the local brothel. Did not make eye contact.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,359
    Alistair said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm sure there's a joke to be made about happy endings here but I don't think it is appropriate and because I have some sense of taste and decency.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1241084737923547148

    If the brothels aka massage parlours are shut in Edinburgh, then at least there will be more police on the streets, their social life will be dead.
    Last week, for the first time in my life I actually saw a punter come out of the local brothel. Did not make eye contact.
    Do you have to pay extra for eye contact?
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    twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,076
    Sky in a pub in London again. Making the most of it.!
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,078
    Update: Nandos is packed with people waiting for a takeaway. Doh.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,302
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Grim figures from France:

    Head of the French health authority Jérôme Salomon in his daily update said the situation was worsening rapidly in France. Urged people to follow strictly the advice keep 1m distance and wash hands.

    It is “urgent” to do this, he said. There are now 12,612 confirmed cases in France, and 450 deaths. Of the deaths, 87% were aged over 70 years old. There are 5,226 people in hospital, 35% of them over 65 years old: 1,297 of these are in intensive care, 50% under 60 years old. 1,587 have been released from hospital.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-deaths-italy-uk-us-australia-europe-vaccine-china-global-economy-toll-latest-update-news

    It seems younger people aren't much less likely to end up in intensive care (for those that have a bad reaction) but they are much less likely to die of it.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,709
    Charles said:

    Who are these "remainers" that you speak of?

    Don't know but they seem brighter than the rest.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    edited March 2020
    Gallowgate said:

    Update: Nandos is packed with people waiting for a takeaway. Doh.

    This is why I think delivery only makes sense. Much lower risk of infection unless someone at the establishment has it in which case you're buggered anyway.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    RobD said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Update: Nandos is packed with people waiting for a takeaway. Doh.

    This is why I think delivery only makes sense. Much lower risk of infection unless someone at the establishment has it in which case your buggered anyway.
    Much lower risk of infecting the people working at the establishment too.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,843
    RobD said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Update: Nandos is packed with people waiting for a takeaway. Doh.

    This is why I think delivery only makes sense. Much lower risk of infection unless someone at the establishment has it in which case you're buggered anyway.
    This is the time I am glad I live in a pizza parlour :)
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    twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,076
    My sister has just text me. She was in Tesco tonight to get a bottle of wine. The booze shelves rapidly being pillaged and people arguing over packs of Carling. We're doomed.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    My sister has just text me. She was in Tesco tonight to get a bottle of wine. The booze shelves rapidly being pillaged and people arguing over packs of Carling. We're doomed.

    We will know the nation is only treating this illness seriously when there's no booze in the supermarkets.
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,887
    How to mislead with statistics: "In terms of cases per capita Vatican comes in third with 1248 cases per million population."

    The Vatican has had only 1 case
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    Casino_Royale said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Grim figures from France:

    Head of the French health authority Jérôme Salomon in his daily update said the situation was worsening rapidly in France. Urged people to follow strictly the advice keep 1m distance and wash hands.

    It is “urgent” to do this, he said. There are now 12,612 confirmed cases in France, and 450 deaths. Of the deaths, 87% were aged over 70 years old. There are 5,226 people in hospital, 35% of them over 65 years old: 1,297 of these are in intensive care, 50% under 60 years old. 1,587 have been released from hospital.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-deaths-italy-uk-us-australia-europe-vaccine-china-global-economy-toll-latest-update-news

    It seems younger people aren't much less likely to end up in intensive care (for those that have a bad reaction) but they are much less likely to die of it.
    That is the reason ventilator capacity is needed.

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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,316
    Philip_Thompson said:

    twistedfirestopper3 said:

    My sister has just text me. She was in Tesco tonight to get a bottle of wine. The booze shelves rapidly being pillaged and people arguing over packs of Carling. We're doomed.

    We will know the nation is only treating this illness seriously when there's no booze in the supermarkets.
    That is because Boris has just shut all the pubs.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,280
    Surely we know exactly what the next thread header is and should be. Indeed I can write it myself:

    WHO IS @JM1 ?
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,190
    Just posted on local Facebook. My middle (yr7) son's school at close this afternoon. The whole school applauding the year 11 students out the door. Her already told me a lot of year 11 have been crying as they're suddenly leaving their friends unexpectedly.

    A wonderful gesture from their class
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    JM1 said:

    Foxy said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Grim figures from France:

    Head of the French health authority Jérôme Salomon in his daily update said the situation was worsening rapidly in France. Urged people to follow strictly the advice keep 1m distance and wash hands.

    It is “urgent” to do this, he said. There are now 12,612 confirmed cases in France, and 450 deaths. Of the deaths, 87% were aged over 70 years old. There are 5,226 people in hospital, 35% of them over 65 years old: 1,297 of these are in intensive care, 50% under 60 years old. 1,587 have been released from hospital.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-deaths-italy-uk-us-australia-europe-vaccine-china-global-economy-toll-latest-update-news

    It seems younger people aren't much less likely to end up in intensive care (for those that have a bad reaction) but they are much less likely to die of it.
    That is the reason ventilator capacity is needed.

    Absolutely. And hopefully the new machines being put together can really achieve this - if they are available within the next week (and at scale) it would make a massive difference by the sound of it. Did your source give an ETA or is it still too early to say?
    JM1 said:

    Foxy said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Grim figures from France:

    Head of the French health authority Jérôme Salomon in his daily update said the situation was worsening rapidly in France. Urged people to follow strictly the advice keep 1m distance and wash hands.

    It is “urgent” to do this, he said. There are now 12,612 confirmed cases in France, and 450 deaths. Of the deaths, 87% were aged over 70 years old. There are 5,226 people in hospital, 35% of them over 65 years old: 1,297 of these are in intensive care, 50% under 60 years old. 1,587 have been released from hospital.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/20/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-deaths-italy-uk-us-australia-europe-vaccine-china-global-economy-toll-latest-update-news

    It seems younger people aren't much less likely to end up in intensive care (for those that have a bad reaction) but they are much less likely to die of it.
    That is the reason ventilator capacity is needed.

    Absolutely. And hopefully the new machines being put together can really achieve this - if they are available within the next week (and at scale) it would make a massive difference by the sound of it. Did your source give an ETA or is it still too early to say?
    Time is certainly of the essence, but the team are fully aware of this.

    They do need to what it says on the tin. I have full and entire faith in the design team.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,078
    I’m going for John Major or John McDonnell.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    Gallowgate said:

    I’m going for John Major or John McDonnell.

    No doxing please. Some of us prefer anonymity.
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