I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
Re advice about staying indoors. The problem is if you start saying you can go in your garden, you have to say well it has to be a garden that is self contained, with sufficient shielding from neighbours etc etc etc. Then you will get people, but if he can go in the garden, I can go for a walk.
But use your common sense. If you have a sizeable garden, where you aren't going to be anywhere near anybody, its no different from being inside. But if your garden is a small section of lawn onto the main road, well don't.
Mine is an area at the back of the house with high fences all round. I’m not sure I ever see anyone from it. I’ll risk it.
Hmm. Even if you are likely to end up having a chat with a neighbour over the hedge, they will be a couple of metres away.
I have had several chats with my neighbour over the hedge about all this nightmare (he is in lockdown due to age, me as a carer) and I suspect it has helped both of us keep mental strength.
IMHO there has to be a balance between the risk of catching from someone stood a couple of metres away or more, in open air, for five minutes and going insane by isolation.
The only neighbour I used to chat with died a couple of years ago.
Imagine how shit this broadcast would be if Theresa May was still PM.
I mean yes we all remember the horrendous nothing has changed ad nauseum addresses, but to be honest she could do serious and measured quite well. I remember her speaking after the Manchester Bombing and thought that was a measured, serious, strong speech. Of course a few weeks after that she lost her majority and it all went downhill from there...
I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Do you mean per capita? Ireland has a population under 5 million, so of course the UK has more critical care beds than Ireland.
More on how to shield if you're living with other people:
What should you do if you have someone else living with you?
Whilst the rest of your household are not required to adopt these protective shielding measures for themselves, we would expect them to do what they can to support you in shielding and to stringently follow guidance on social distancing.
1) Minimise as much as possible the time other family members spend in shared spaces such as kitchens, bathrooms and sitting areas, and keep shared spaces well ventilated. 2) Aim to keep 2 metres (3 steps) away from people you live with and encourage them to sleep in a different bed where possible. If you can, you should use a separate bathroom from the rest of the household. Make sure you use separate towels from the other people in your house, both for drying themselves after bathing or showering and for hand-hygiene purposes. 3) If you do share a toilet and bathroom with others, it is important that they are cleaned after use every time (for example, wiping surfaces you have come into contact with). Another tip is to consider drawing up a rota for bathing, with you using the facilities first. 4) If you share a kitchen with others, avoid using it while they are present. If you can, you should take your meals back to your room to eat. If you have one, use a dishwasher to clean and dry the family’s used crockery and cutlery. If this is not possible, wash them using your usual washing up liquid and warm water and dry them thoroughly. If you are using your own utensils, remember to use a separate tea towel for drying these. 5) We understand that it will be difficult for some people to separate themselves from others at home. You should do your very best to follow this guidance and everyone in your household should regularly wash their hands, avoid touching their face, and clean frequently touched surfaces.
If the rest of your household stringently follow advice on social distancing and minimise the risk of spreading the virus within the home by following the advice above, there is no need for them to also shield alongside you.
I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Do you mean per capita? Ireland has a population under 5 million, so of course the UK has more critical care beds than Ireland.
Obviously per capita. It would make no sense otherwise.
We're trying to all shield but the pharmacy are very stretched with their home delivery service which is a bit of a pain so it looks like someone (not me!) is going to have to nip out and get it. Unless these "hubs" start operating from tomorrow! (If they're going to, nobody's contacted me about it yet...)
I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Per 100,000 population
Germany 29.2 Italy 12.5 Spain 9.6 France 11.6 UK 6.3
I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Per 100,000 population
Germany 29.2 Italy 12.5 Spain 9.6 France 11.6 UK 6.3
We are worse than Andorra FFS
That isn't the lowest in Europe....As I said, same as Denmark, and more than many many others.
I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Per 100,000 population
Germany 29.2 Italy 12.5 Spain 9.6 France 11.6 UK 6.3
We are worse than Andorra FFS
Where's the numbers for Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia and Denmark.
I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Per 100,000 population
Germany 29.2 Italy 12.5 Spain 9.6 France 11.6 UK 6.3
We are worse than Andorra FFS
The UK number has doubled from your numbers in the past week, and there's a plan for 30,000 more (up to Germany levels) to come from UK engineering companies including F1 teams over the coming days and weeks.
ITV TV guide calling this episode 1. I wonder how many there will be.
Do they have any legal power or even technology to demand this feed be simulcast across all licensed TV channels and radio? (Eg as a licensing condition that you must broadcast designated emergency government output?)
Would have presumed there'd be leftover powers from back when fear of the atomic bomb was a factor but maybe not.
And if they do, is there any means to demand that Netflix / Youtube etc and On Demand services must "stop normal programming" and everyone trying to watch the screen has to watch this?
I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Per 100,000 population
Germany 29.2 Italy 12.5 Spain 9.6 France 11.6 UK 6.3
We are worse than Andorra FFS
Where's the numbers for Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia and Denmark.
I have posted the full table we are in a terrible place.
He should have done this type statement 2 weeks ago. This is better than the free flowing press conferences where he waffles when the journalists ask stupid questions.
I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Per 100,000 population
Germany 29.2 Italy 12.5 Spain 9.6 France 11.6 UK 6.3
We are worse than Andorra FFS
Where's the numbers for Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia and Denmark.
Thats the 5 major economies. FU being disingenuous if you want me to post the list of European countries we are behind it would be a very long list.
Fact is we are worst of all the major health systems in Europe
Re advice about staying indoors. The problem is if you start saying you can go in your garden, you have to say well it has to be a garden that is self contained, with sufficient shielding from neighbours etc etc etc. Then you will get people, but if he can go in the garden, I can go for a walk.
But use your common sense. If you have a sizeable garden, where you aren't going to be anywhere near anybody, its no different from being inside. But if your garden is a small section of lawn onto the main road, well don't.
Mine is an area at the back of the house with high fences all round. I’m not sure I ever see anyone from it. I’ll risk it.
Hmm. Even if you are likely to end up having a chat with a neighbour over the hedge, they will be a couple of metres away.
Having a chat over the garden hedge with less than 2 metres distance sounds a bit creepy to me.
I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Per 100,000 population
Germany 29.2 Italy 12.5 Spain 9.6 France 11.6 UK 6.3
We are worse than Andorra FFS
Where's the numbers for Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia and Denmark.
Thats the 5 major economies. FU being disingenuous if you want me to post the list of European countries we are behind it would be a very long list.
Fact is we are worst of all the major health systems in Europe
Not disingenuous. You were factually incorrect, simple. Like you x50 cost nonsense.
There was no time limit given. He said he will look again in 3 weeks, but I think it is clear this is months. I think this is better than the telling people only 2 weeks and then constantly having to extend it.
I remember a week ago saying we were in a terrible state for Critical Care beds and ventilators and being told our number made economic sense even though it was the lowest in Europe.
We will pay a terrible price for it in terms of deaths and sacrificing the oldest most poorly over next few weeks imo via rationing ventilators.
Taxpayers will also pay Trillion £+ trying to make up ground and stop the economy going to rat shit as well as firefighting the Tsunami of deaths.
I wish you would get your facts correct. Not the lowest in Europe at all. This is like you claim of x50 the cost for renting private beds.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Per 100,000 population
Germany 29.2 Italy 12.5 Spain 9.6 France 11.6 UK 6.3
We are worse than Andorra FFS
The UK number has doubled from your numbers in the past week, and there's a plan for 30,000 more (up to Germany levels) to come from UK engineering companies including F1 teams over the coming days and weeks.
Rubbish every country is trying desperately to up their numbers but we are still lagging behind.
Ventilators worst of any major European Country Acute beds same Critical Care Beds same
The UK did the opposite of acting. In an act of what I see as sheer arrogance, they chose to do nothing, per the early stages of their disaster plan. There was some initial contact tracing, but this stopped when it was clear that there was significant community spread and exponential growth. And after this? They did not ramp up testing capabilities. They did not encourage social distancing. They did not boost PPE supply, or plan for surge capacity. They ignored advice from the WHO, public health experts in other country; epidemiologists, scientists and doctors in their own. I can tell you with certainty now that they did not even collect regular statistics for how many COVID patients were being admitted to critical care in the UK. They did nothing.
What were they thinking? Maybe that what had happened in China, and was happening in Italy, couldn't possibly happen in the UK, right? It was impossible. The persisted with the original plan with no modification.
Well COVID-19 is not flu. That is perfectly clear. And it was clear that the UK numbers were following, exponentially, the same trend as Italy. But still the government and their advisers stuck to their guns and put out reassuring messages. I would ask here - why did they still think we would be different?
The government has instituted a number of measures that they previously called "unscientific", but has not mandated them.
We are far, far into the exponential curve both in deaths and critical care numbers, and there is at least two weeks more growth until any of the half-hearted measures taken might kick in.
We do not have sufficient testing capability for even hospital patients, who sometimes wait days for a test result. There are not enough tests for anyone in the community, or any healthcare workers who might have symptoms.
Hospitals are scrambling to produce surge capacity, and several smaller hospitals in London are now overwhelmed with COVID and out of ventilators.
There is clearly not enough PPE in the country and we are rushing to secure supplies.
2/2
I think you will find in this corner of the internet, Boris and his team have not put a foot wrong.
I suspect time will tell one way or another.
Your second sentence explains the reluctance to definitively condemn the government, not blithely assume all must have been perfection as suggested per the first sentence.
In some ways this is clever. It doesn’t seem very drastic because we’ve been half doing it for 2 weeks.
Yes, it’s no different for me. But am I supposed to change my behaviour (i.e. not going for a walk), because psychologically I feel I should be making a change?
As true as that is to an extent it has not been that simple throughout this whole thing. People who dislike Boris have at times thought he's done the right things, and Boris fans are not all blindly lining up to lick his boots.
In some ways this is clever. It doesn’t seem very drastic because we’ve been half doing it for 2 weeks.
Yes, it’s no different for me. But am I supposed to change my behaviour (i.e. not going for a walk), because psychologically I feel I should be making a change?
"One form of exercise a day – for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household" Mr B. Johnson
Him saying shopping for basic necessities as infrequently as possible means that many people will now try and do very big shops tomorrow.
Maybe - here in my part of Spain the panic buying tailed off pretty soon. All tunning quite smoothly now. Re-assuring to have army and police patrolling from time to time.
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Boris is about to come on after all.
Sweden, Greece, Ireland, Finland, Slovakia, etc.....all have less. We have the same as social democrats / socialist favourite European example country, Denmark.
It is correct Germany have way way more.
Here it comes.
Germany 29.2
Italy 12.5
Spain 9.6
France 11.6
UK 6.3
We are worse than Andorra FFS
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229013572_The_variability_of_critical_care_bed_numbers_in_Europe
Look out for the presence of the Government crest..
Would have presumed there'd be leftover powers from back when fear of the atomic bomb was a factor but maybe not.
And if they do, is there any means to demand that Netflix / Youtube etc and On Demand services must "stop normal programming" and everyone trying to watch the screen has to watch this?
Police to fine non compliers.
All non essential shops to be closed and all gatherings of more than 2 people to be dispersed
Fact is we are worst of all the major health systems in Europe
Most BBC comedy is awful now.
Ventilators worst of any major European Country
Acute beds same
Critical Care Beds same
Find the actual numbers to disprove me
Like "250, 000 tests" its bullshit
I take it that all the work by restaurants to convert to takeaway operation have all wasted their time/money?
Look you massive bell-end, education the public what they should do, not how not to do it.
Should have been done at least a week ago