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I’ve just spent the last three hours totally away from issues relating to the virus thanks to the remarkable plan by the National Theatre to screen free on ‘YouTube a production from its National Theatre Live programme. One Man Two Guvnors with James Corden has just and it has been thoroughly entertaining.

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IanB2

First at the bar, again!

Philip_Thompson

I'll have a pint if your cafe serves that please.

nichomar

Another richard

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1245815409623871495

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1245819194043781120

nichomar

The president of Madrid region estimates 3000 deaths in old people’s homes, will go back and check my translation but ....

Floater

Eadric - I apologise

Troops and police in Ecuador have collected at least 150 bodies from streets and homes in the country's most populous city Guayaquil amid warnings that as many as 3,500 people could die of the coronavirus in the city and surrounding province in the coming months.

A joint military and police task force sent out to gather corpses in the horror-struck port city had collected 150 in just three days, government spokesman Jorge Wated said late Wednesday.

Residents had published videos on social media showing abandoned bodies in the streets in the Latin American city worst hit by the pandemic.

Some left desperate messages for authorities to take away the corpses of people who had died in their homes.Authorities have not confirmed how many of the dead were victims of the coronavirus.

nichomar

nichomar said:

The president of Madrid region estimates 3000 deaths in old people’s homes, will go back and check my translation but ....

And 2000 have died at home.

Malmesbury

Floater said:

Eadric - I apologise

Troops and police in Ecuador have collected at least 150 bodies from streets and homes in the country's most populous city Guayaquil amid warnings that as many as 3,500 people could die of the coronavirus in the city and surrounding province in the coming months.

A joint military and police task force sent out to gather corpses in the horror-struck port city had collected 150 in just three days, government spokesman Jorge Wated said late Wednesday.

Residents had published videos on social media showing abandoned bodies in the streets in the Latin American city worst hit by the pandemic.

Some left desperate messages for authorities to take away the corpses of people who had died in their homes.Authorities have not confirmed how many of the dead were victims of the coronavirus.

This will be India soon.

DecrepiterJohnL

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1245815409623871495

I'd go along with the Telegraph's source. It may indeed have been a mistake.

MikeSmithson

Philip_Thompson said:

I'll have a pint if your cafe serves that please.

The current state of Internet technology makes that impossible but who knows we could see that within 5 years

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1245820391295238152

IshmaelZ

Grim

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/people-dying-left-right-nurses-reveal-happening-inside-new-yorks/

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/NicKeaney/status/1245790312833974274

Luckyguy1983

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1245819194043781120

Been saying this for a while. Not sure it's central Govts responsibility though, what are individual trusts doing?

Big_G_NorthWales

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1245820391295238152

I have no problem with thatb

RobD

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/NicKeaney/status/1245790312833974274

That's quite unwell?

tyson

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/NicKeaney/status/1245790312833974274

It would be a terrible thing if Boris got seriously unwell......fingers and everything crossed for him....

Big_G_NorthWales

Luckyguy1983 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1245819194043781120

Been saying this for a while. Not sure it's central Govts responsibility though, what are individual trusts doing?

Our local private school is making masks for local doctors

nichomar

nichomar said:

nichomar said:

The president of Madrid region estimates 3000 deaths in old people’s homes, will go back and check my translation but ....

And 2000 have died at home.

A more official view

There is no exact official number of deaths with coronavirus in nursing homes, but it is already well above 2,000. In fact, only in Madrid, the Community recognizes that if the number of deaths in residences is about a thousand a month, in the last month there have been 3,000, although they cannot confirm how many there have been due to coronaviruses. The Army is assisting in the disinfection work of many nursing homes

ExiledInScotland

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1245815409623871495

I'd go along with the Telegraph's source. It may indeed have been a mistake.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. The risks were no doubt considered and plans made. The fact is that the plan (I guess for protecting the weak and hoping that herd immunity would work) could not hold against the political cost of dead grandparents and press indignation. The issue now is how reasonably they can switch to providing the necessary kit for the NHS and whether people change their minds soon when they see the economic damage. My guess is they will, and in a few months the press and opposition will blame the government for not stopping lockdown earlier - it will be shameless.

JonathanD

https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1245804402767732736?s=19

another_richard

nichomar said:

Another richard

Is this a new PB game ?

We say the name of a PBer and see how fast they appear ?

DecrepiterJohnL

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1245819194043781120

This is what I do not understand about the government right now. I don't expect the Cabinet to be in the lab with test tubes and microscopes but it is not taking bleeding obvious measures.

nichomar

another_richard said:

nichomar said:

Another richard

Is this a new PB game ?

We say the name of a PBer and see how fast they appear ?

No,sorry .... Richard the third as in A Desmond

Barnesian

OT I've just the watched the NT stream of One Man, two Guvnors.

I haven't laughed so much out loud for years. A real tonic. If you watch it is quite long so settle down for an evening with drinks and nibbles. It's on Youtube for seven days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzqcRwWVv8k

williamglenn

Paging @eadric

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245822708337827840

another_richard

JonathanD said:

https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1245804402767732736?s=19

Perhaps its the SPADs and Sir Humphreys who are both crap.

DecrepiterJohnL

ExiledInScotland said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1245815409623871495

I'd go along with the Telegraph's source. It may indeed have been a mistake.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. The risks were no doubt considered and plans made. The fact is that the plan (I guess for protecting the weak and hoping that herd immunity would work) could not hold against the political cost of dead grandparents and press indignation. The issue now is how reasonably they can switch to providing the necessary kit for the NHS and whether people change their minds soon when they see the economic damage. My guess is they will, and in a few months the press and opposition will blame the government for not stopping lockdown earlier - it will be shameless.

Actually we already know that risks were considered three years ago and no plans were made other than to suppress the report. Pre-Boris, of course.

tyson

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Theuniondivvie

another_richard said:

nichomar said:

Another richard

Is this a new PB game ?

We say the name of a PBer and see how fast they appear ?

Say the several different names of a PBer and see how fast they appear to deny that all but one isn't them?

Luckyguy1983

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1245819194043781120

Been saying this for a while. Not sure it's central Govts responsibility though, what are individual trusts doing?

Our local private school is making masks for local doctors

Sounds great. I hate to sound like SeanT but I suggested kids could make masks as a school activity before the schools left.

IshmaelZ

For naval warfare fans

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/venezuelan-naval-vessel-goes-confrontation-portuguese-cruise/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

Philip_Thompson

MikeSmithson said:

Philip_Thompson said:

I'll have a pint if your cafe serves that please.

The current state of Internet technology makes that impossible but who knows we could see that within 5 years

I've always felt the Tab button should dispense drinks.

GIN1138

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/NicKeaney/status/1245790312833974274

He looks OK to me. I mean obviously you can see he's been/has been ill but compared to quite a lot of people eight days into their illness (day 8 is on average when you need ventilation) he's fine.

isam

https://twitter.com/asfarasdelgados/status/1245821289186693120?s=21

RobD

GIN1138 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/NicKeaney/status/1245790312833974274

He looks OK to me. I mean obviously you can see he's been/has been ill but compared to quite a lot of people eight days into the illness (day 8 is on average when you need ventilation) he's fine.

He's definitely had it worse than Hancock though.

GIN1138

RobD said:

GIN1138 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/NicKeaney/status/1245790312833974274

He looks OK to me. I mean obviously you can see he's been/has been ill but compared to quite a lot of people eight days into the illness (day 8 is on average when you need ventilation) he's fine.

He's definitely had it worse than Hancock though.

Yes that's true. Well he's about 15 years older than Hancock and overweight so...

isam

Doesn’t the graph show the peak at March 9th?

https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/1245787483645845515?s=21

egg

williamglenn said:

Paging @eadric

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245822708337827840

A thong?

People used to wear mask because they thought they were protecting themselves. Until that was revealed as fallacy.

Now something you already had in the house is just as good to show you are careful not to infect others? Truth is in this situation, with a cough and a sneeze you shouldn’t be out there anyway.

And whoever tried to fool everyone 2m is okay, when droplets from cough or sneeze go 7m needs hauling before us and grilled.

It also lives in faeces, pulling the flush with lid up can give it to you, added with the healthy hand dryers makes public or workplace loos the most riskiest of places.

GIN1138

Bad news for SeanT on booze and COVID-19...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/stop-reaching-bottle-lockdown-says-world-health-organization/

Gallowgate

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

RobD

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

I think you can open it with a lighter.

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1245821911617007616?s=21

MikeSmithson

Philip_Thompson said:

MikeSmithson said:

Philip_Thompson said:

I'll have a pint if your cafe serves that please.

The current state of Internet technology makes that impossible but who knows we could see that within 5 years

I've always felt the Tab button should dispense drinks.

You can see the technology emerging. The Apple Mac would, of course, be the first to have a drink dispensing function but the only drinks it would allow would be its own Apple branded range at a ludicrous cost and could only be supplied via Apple stores. Samsung would follow a few weeks later with a budget version

CarlottaVance

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

It can be messy, but have you tried pushing the cork into the bottle?

Big_G_NorthWales

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

Foxy

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

I think you can open it with a lighter.

A cavalry sabre works well. Ask one of your footman to bring one from the armoury.

DecrepiterJohnL

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

Do they still use corks? I thought it was 99 per cent screw tops these days. Just search for "how to open wine without a corkscrew" or some such. Or cheat and push the cork in.

TOPPING

Luckyguy1983 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1245819194043781120

Been saying this for a while. Not sure it's central Govts responsibility though, what are individual trusts doing?

Our local private school is making masks for local doctors

Sounds great. I hate to sound like SeanT but I suggested kids could make masks as a school activity before the schools left.

Eton is making its online distance learning available to state schools.

AlastairMeeks

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

It won’t go off that quickly. Get another corkscrew.

Better still, buy screwcap bottles of wine.

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1245826438877663232?s=20

Beibheirli_C

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

Do they still use corks? I thought it was 99 per cent screw tops these days. Just search for "how to open wine without a corkscrew" or some such. Or cheat and push the cork in.

Screw a 50mm self tapper in and then pull the cork with pliers

... or borrow your neighbour's corkscrew

TOPPING

CarlottaVance said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

It can be messy, but have you tried pushing the cork into the bottle?

Works and yes messy.

nichomar

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

Do they still use corks? I thought it was 99 per cent screw tops these days. Just search for "how to open wine without a corkscrew" or some such. Or cheat and push the cork in.

Out here mostly only cheap wine has a screw top the majority still has a cork.

Benpointer

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

Do they still use corks? I thought it was 99 per cent screw tops these days. Just search for "how to open wine without a corkscrew" or some such. Or cheat and push the cork in.

Pushing the cork in is 'very difficult to impossible', depending how full the bottle is. Liquids are not ordinarily compressible.

HYUFD

Barnesian said:

OT I've just the watched the NT stream of One Man, two Guvnors.

I haven't laughed so much out loud for years. A real tonic. If you watch it is quite long so settle down for an evening with drinks and nibbles. It's on Youtube for seven days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzqcRwWVv8k

Yes watched it online with my partner too, quite long but very funny

Pro_Rata

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1245815409623871495

I'd go along with the Telegraph's source. It may indeed have been a mistake.

The failure to follow through on the thought that Coronavirus might be the next big one is, ultimately, a global failure, any domestic failure is just a slight addition. We could have done more as a planet to know, generically how a Coronavirus vaccine could be brought into production quickly, done enough off the back of smaller SARS outbreaks and seasonal Coronavirusses to have strategies further down the road than we have.

For the stuff that was fully in domestic control it seems to me, having caught the Hannah Fry Contagion thing the other night, that the example of flu is deeply relevant in all we have done.

In one way, we have had a lucky escape. Imagine this had been MERS-CoV2 gone wild, with the death rate of that disease. That would have been a genuine medieval destroyer of societies by the time it tamed itself by mutation.

tyson

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

My instinct was to go for 64%...but I depressed myself...and so went higher....


Economically we will be a mjuch poorer country possibly....hopefully emotionally and spiritually we will not....

Endillion

GIN1138 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/NicKeaney/status/1245790312833974274

He looks OK to me. I mean obviously you can see he's been/has been ill but compared to quite a lot of people eight days into their illness (day 8 is on average when you need ventilation) he's fine.

Can anyone imagine Trump allowing himself to be pictured looking like that?

TOPPING

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

To add: a wooden spoon is best. Wrap the top in something, towel or kitchen paper.

Big_G_NorthWales

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1245826438877663232?s=20

And his record on holding Boris to account is stellar !!!

I cannot say how relieved I will be to see him gone, preferably to his allotment

The one person who damaged the labour party more than anyone in history

And I really hope Starmer is not daft enough to give him any position in the shadow cabinet

Benpointer

Endillion said:

GIN1138 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/NicKeaney/status/1245790312833974274

He looks OK to me. I mean obviously you can see he's been/has been ill but compared to quite a lot of people eight days into their illness (day 8 is on average when you need ventilation) he's fine.

Can anyone imagine Trump allowing himself to be pictured looking like that?

You mean as opposed to being pictured as an orange panda with a comb-over?

Anabobazina

Sounds like the punchline to that old economist joke:

First, assume we have a corkscrew.

sarissa

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

I think you can open it with a lighter.

Or push the cork inti the bottle and pull it out with thick bit of string with a big end knot.

sarissa

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

I think you can open it with a lighter.

Or push the cork inti the bottle and pull it out with thick bit of string with a big end knot.

tyson

AlastairMeeks said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

It won’t go off that quickly. Get another corkscrew.

Better still, buy screwcap bottles of wine.

push it in with a bit of brute force and the back end of a knife...I've been reduced to that a few times

kyf_100

Beibheirli_C said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

Do they still use corks? I thought it was 99 per cent screw tops these days. Just search for "how to open wine without a corkscrew" or some such. Or cheat and push the cork in.

Screw a 50mm self tapper in and then pull the cork with pliers

... or borrow your neighbour's corkscrew

I once watched a man open a wine bottle with using only a shoe.

Believe it or not it does work, and quite surprisingly quickly.

https://www.grubstreet.com/2013/06/how-to-open-wine-with-a-shoe.html

Scott_xP

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

I must be close on double figures for the number of corkscrews I have.

Does that count as lockdown hoarding?

rcs1000

IshmaelZ said:

For naval warfare fans

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/venezuelan-naval-vessel-goes-confrontation-portuguese-cruise/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

There's more details here:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32853/this-venezuelan-patrol-ship-sunk-itself-after-ramming-a-cruise-liner-with-an-reinforced-hull

It's an astonishing story.

TOPPING

Benpointer said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

Do they still use corks? I thought it was 99 per cent screw tops these days. Just search for "how to open wine without a corkscrew" or some such. Or cheat and push the cork in.

Pushing the cork in is 'very difficult to impossible', depending how full the bottle is. Liquids are not ordinarily compressible.

It is quite easy to push a cork into a still wine bottle.

Charles

Peter Piot Q&A

https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/expert-opinion/100-questions-peter-piot-lshtm-director?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=April 2020 News and Events&utm_content=April 2020 News and Events+CID_211f73ad2c9d6ccc2bf87444fbdaf60f&utm_source=E newsletter&utm_term=Peter Piot

AlastairMeeks

tyson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

It won’t go off that quickly. Get another corkscrew.

Better still, buy screwcap bottles of wine.

push it in with a bit of brute force and the back end of a knife...I've been reduced to that a few times

At the risk of getting the more bibulous pbers telling me to foxtrot oscar, I’m radically cutting down my alcohol intake while isolating. The main thing I’m noticing is that I’m sleeping much better.

DougSeal

Endillion said:

GIN1138 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/NicKeaney/status/1245790312833974274

He looks OK to me. I mean obviously you can see he's been/has been ill but compared to quite a lot of people eight days into their illness (day 8 is on average when you need ventilation) he's fine.

Can anyone imagine Trump allowing himself to be pictured looking like that?

No Johnson fan but he looks far more human and sympathetic in that video than any of Trump I have ever seen.

Big_G_NorthWales

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

My instinct was to go for 64%...but I depressed myself...and so went higher....


Economically we will be a mjuch poorer country possibly....hopefully emotionally and spiritually we will not....

I think the end result of this will be a sea change away from greed and globalisation and a much more socially aware society, and hopefully kinder

rottenborough

Endillion said:

GIN1138 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/NicKeaney/status/1245790312833974274

He looks OK to me. I mean obviously you can see he's been/has been ill but compared to quite a lot of people eight days into their illness (day 8 is on average when you need ventilation) he's fine.

Can anyone imagine Trump allowing himself to be pictured looking like that?

Looks ok to me.

rcs1000

egg said:

williamglenn said:

Paging @eadric

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245822708337827840

A thong?

People used to wear mask because they thought they were protecting themselves. Until that was revealed as fallacy.

Now something you already had in the house is just as good to show you are careful not to infect others? Truth is in this situation, with a cough and a sneeze you shouldn’t be out there anyway.

And whoever tried to fool everyone 2m is okay, when droplets from cough or sneeze go 7m needs hauling before us and grilled.

It also lives in faeces, pulling the flush with lid up can give it to you, added with the healthy hand dryers makes public or workplace loos the most riskiest of places.

OK.

You do know that droplets from coughs or sneezes are subject to gravity, right?

And, not only, that but they disperse over time, and that their intensity drops at a cube rate.

So, sure, if you're lying on the ground seven meters away, you might still get some flying fleghm... but it will be one hundredth of the amount someone gets if they're one meters from the sneezer.

This is not about reducing chance of infection to zero. It's about reducing it by an order of magnitude. Two meters does that.

kle4

Workshopping ideas on how to open a stubborn wine bottle. A job PB was made for.

TOPPING

AlastairMeeks said:

tyson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

It won’t go off that quickly. Get another corkscrew.

Better still, buy screwcap bottles of wine.

push it in with a bit of brute force and the back end of a knife...I've been reduced to that a few times

At the risk of getting the more bibulous pbers telling me to foxtrot oscar, I’m radically cutting down my alcohol intake while isolating. The main thing I’m noticing is that I’m sleeping much better.

There comes a time when it is overall more enjoyable to wake up clear and ready to go than get wasted the night before.

Edit: I do drink but not a patch on what I used to drink.

nichomar

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

My instinct was to go for 64%...but I depressed myself...and so went higher....


Economically we will be a mjuch poorer country possibly....hopefully emotionally and spiritually we will not....

I think the end result of this will be a sea change away from greed and globalisation and a much more socially aware society, and hopefully kinder

Sorry but I doubt it it will be survival of the fittest, winner takes all.

tyson

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1245826438877663232?s=20

And his record on holding Boris to account is stellar !!!

I cannot say how relieved I will be to see him gone, preferably to his allotment

The one person who damaged the labour party more than anyone in history

And I really hope Starmer is not daft enough to give him any position in the shadow cabinet

Starmer is not going to let Corbyn near....

It is the damage to the country that a weak opposition does,,,,,

Just think...if labour had not had such a mental collapse...you'd have Osborne now as PM, no Brexit....and a decent cabinet front bench of big hitters like Grieve, Hammond, May, Hunt, Rudd, etc.....

rottenborough

HYUFD said:

Barnesian said:

OT I've just the watched the NT stream of One Man, two Guvnors.

I haven't laughed so much out loud for years. A real tonic. If you watch it is quite long so settle down for an evening with drinks and nibbles. It's on Youtube for seven days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzqcRwWVv8k

Yes watched it online with my partner too, quite long but very funny

Ohhh! I have wanted to see this for ages. I shall be checking it out.

Jonathan

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

My instinct was to go for 64%...but I depressed myself...and so went higher....


Economically we will be a mjuch poorer country possibly....hopefully emotionally and spiritually we will not....

I think the end result of this will be a sea change away from greed and globalisation and a much more socially aware society, and hopefully kinder

I hope you’re right. I am much more pessimistic. I fear things will kick off at some point.

Big_G_NorthWales

nichomar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

My instinct was to go for 64%...but I depressed myself...and so went higher....


Economically we will be a mjuch poorer country possibly....hopefully emotionally and spiritually we will not....

I think the end result of this will be a sea change away from greed and globalisation and a much more socially aware society, and hopefully kinder

Sorry but I doubt it it will be survival of the fittest, winner takes all.

I have more hope to be honest that we will emerge a more caring society apart from some extreme elements on the right and left in a big minority

Philip_Thompson

egg said:

williamglenn said:

Paging @eadric

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245822708337827840

A thong?

People used to wear mask because they thought they were protecting themselves. Until that was revealed as fallacy.

Now something you already had in the house is just as good to show you are careful not to infect others? Truth is in this situation, with a cough and a sneeze you shouldn’t be out there anyway.

And whoever tried to fool everyone 2m is okay, when droplets from cough or sneeze go 7m needs hauling before us and grilled.

It also lives in faeces, pulling the flush with lid up can give it to you, added with the healthy hand dryers makes public or workplace loos the most riskiest of places.

The 2m social distance isn't a modern idea novel to coronavirus. Two patients with CF who are highly at risk of getting deadly ill if they catch airborne bacteria from each other are not permitted within 6 feet of each other.

Big_G_NorthWales

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1245826438877663232?s=20

And his record on holding Boris to account is stellar !!!

I cannot say how relieved I will be to see him gone, preferably to his allotment

The one person who damaged the labour party more than anyone in history

And I really hope Starmer is not daft enough to give him any position in the shadow cabinet

Starmer is not going to let Corbyn near....

Just think...if labour had not had such a mental collapse...you'd have Osborne now as PM, no Brexit....and a decent cabinet front bench of big hitters like Grieve, Hammond, May, Hunt, Rudd, etc.....

Actually I could live with that

Big_G_NorthWales

nichomar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

My instinct was to go for 64%...but I depressed myself...and so went higher....


Economically we will be a mjuch poorer country possibly....hopefully emotionally and spiritually we will not....

I think the end result of this will be a sea change away from greed and globalisation and a much more socially aware society, and hopefully kinder

Sorry but I doubt it it will be survival of the fittest, winner takes all.

Well, let us hope not

rottenborough

GIN1138 said:

Bad news for SeanT on booze and COVID-19...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/stop-reaching-bottle-lockdown-says-world-health-organization/

WHO clearly don't understand how serious this crisis is.

Philip_Thompson

isam said:

Doesn’t the graph show the peak at March 9th?

https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/1245787483645845515?s=21

Yes but even if the lockdown worked immediately based on exponential growth the 9th should have been below a third of the peak. Based on doubling every 3 days exponentially and a 5 day spread the peak should have been about the 14th and more than 3 times higher than the 9th - but that didn't occur.

The lockdown didn't cause the peak according to that graph, it had already peaked before the lockdown. Possibly due to the Lombardy lockdown and it would have resumed growing afterwards.

kle4

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

My instinct was to go for 64%...but I depressed myself...and so went higher....


Economically we will be a mjuch poorer country possibly....hopefully emotionally and spiritually we will not....

I think the end result of this will be a sea change away from greed and globalisation and a much more socially aware society, and hopefully kinder

You're a far more optimistic person than I am. I think we'll have a mixture of increased kindness and increased bitterness for a few months or years, then the grinding pressures of society will see us return to our previous state, for better and worse. Our stubborness and resilience can work both ways.

Philip_Thompson

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1245826438877663232?s=20

And his record on holding Boris to account is stellar !!!

I cannot say how relieved I will be to see him gone, preferably to his allotment

The one person who damaged the labour party more than anyone in history

And I really hope Starmer is not daft enough to give him any position in the shadow cabinet

Starmer is not going to let Corbyn near....

It is the damage to the country that a weak opposition does,,,,,

Just think...if labour had not had such a mental collapse...you'd have Osborne now as PM, no Brexit....and a decent cabinet front bench of big hitters like Grieve, Hammond, May, Hunt, Rudd, etc.....

Oh Lord. I can live with Osborne and Hunt but 'big hitters' like May - give me a break.

Corbyn did the nation a favour afterall it appears.

Big_G_NorthWales

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

My instinct was to go for 64%...but I depressed myself...and so went higher....


Economically we will be a mjuch poorer country possibly....hopefully emotionally and spiritually we will not....

I think the end result of this will be a sea change away from greed and globalisation and a much more socially aware society, and hopefully kinder

I hope you’re right. I am much more pessimistic. I fear things will kick off at some point.

I know it has highlighted how fortunate my wife and I in our old age and hope that we can come together to reflect on the suffering and vow to care for everyone and reject greed from any source

tyson

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1245826438877663232?s=20

And his record on holding Boris to account is stellar !!!

I cannot say how relieved I will be to see him gone, preferably to his allotment

The one person who damaged the labour party more than anyone in history

And I really hope Starmer is not daft enough to give him any position in the shadow cabinet

Starmer is not going to let Corbyn near....

Just think...if labour had not had such a mental collapse...you'd have Osborne now as PM, no Brexit....and a decent cabinet front bench of big hitters like Grieve, Hammond, May, Hunt, Rudd, etc.....

Actually I could live with that

I think 90% of us could have lived with that...Brexit was just an extreme position that suddenly hijacked the agenda from nowhere due to Cameron's miscalculation and Corbyn.....

all seems such a long time ago now....

Anabobazina

kyf_100 said:

Beibheirli_C said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Gallowgate said:

I tried to open a bottle of red wine tonight, and remembered I left my only corkscrew opener at a friends house. Gutted does not even begin to describe it.

Do they still use corks? I thought it was 99 per cent screw tops these days. Just search for "how to open wine without a corkscrew" or some such. Or cheat and push the cork in.

Screw a 50mm self tapper in and then pull the cork with pliers

... or borrow your neighbour's corkscrew

I once watched a man open a wine bottle with using only a shoe.

Believe it or not it does work, and quite surprisingly quickly.

https://www.grubstreet.com/2013/06/how-to-open-wine-with-a-shoe.html

Wow. By far the best answer. Can’t believe that works?!?

kle4

Philip_Thompson said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1245826438877663232?s=20

And his record on holding Boris to account is stellar !!!

I cannot say how relieved I will be to see him gone, preferably to his allotment

The one person who damaged the labour party more than anyone in history

And I really hope Starmer is not daft enough to give him any position in the shadow cabinet

Starmer is not going to let Corbyn near....

It is the damage to the country that a weak opposition does,,,,,

Just think...if labour had not had such a mental collapse...you'd have Osborne now as PM, no Brexit....and a decent cabinet front bench of big hitters like Grieve, Hammond, May, Hunt, Rudd, etc.....

Oh Lord. I can live with Osborne and Hunt but 'big hitters' like May - give me a break.

Corbyn did the nation a favour afterall it appears.

Depends. A bigger loss in 2017 might have killed Corbynism. Is it now embedded even though he is going?

Andy_JS

"Peter Hitchens joins Brendan O’Neill to discuss the coronavirus crisis."

https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/in-this-lockdown-dissent-is-a-moral-duty/

williamglenn

rottenborough said:

GIN1138 said:

Bad news for SeanT on booze and COVID-19...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/stop-reaching-bottle-lockdown-says-world-health-organization/

WHO clearly don't understand how serious this crisis is.

The biggest reason not to drink too much during this is that it increases the risk of a domestic accident that might put you in hospital where you're likely to catch the virus.

Big_G_NorthWales

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

My instinct was to go for 64%...but I depressed myself...and so went higher....


Economically we will be a mjuch poorer country possibly....hopefully emotionally and spiritually we will not....

I think the end result of this will be a sea change away from greed and globalisation and a much more socially aware society, and hopefully kinder

You're a far more optimistic person than I am. I think we'll have a mixture of increased kindness and increased bitterness for a few months or years, then the grinding pressures of society will see us return to our previous state, for better and worse. Our stubborness and resilience can work both ways.

It is upto each and everyone to learn from the suffering of so many and soften their attitudes towards a kinder gentler society. I know many will not see it this way but hopefully a good majority will

Jonathan

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tyson said:

Anyone want to guess.....

What will be the date when the uk Govt officially announces an end to Covid 19?

And how big will the UK economy be compared to the 1st February 2020?

I think 1st September 2021.....and our economy will be 83% the size....

Depends on a vaccine but it could be in your timeline and the size of the economy is maybe optimistic

My instinct was to go for 64%...but I depressed myself...and so went higher....


Economically we will be a mjuch poorer country possibly....hopefully emotionally and spiritually we will not....

I think the end result of this will be a sea change away from greed and globalisation and a much more socially aware society, and hopefully kinder

I hope you’re right. I am much more pessimistic. I fear things will kick off at some point.

I know it has highlighted how fortunate my wife and I in our old age and hope that we can come together to reflect on the suffering and vow to care for everyone and reject greed from any source

Well said. I hope you prevail.
Meanwhile others are looking to allocate blame. Some in the west blaming China, some in Russia blaming the west. A lot of people will not be happy with financial ruin.

Philip_Thompson

kle4 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

tyson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1245826438877663232?s=20

And his record on holding Boris to account is stellar !!!

I cannot say how relieved I will be to see him gone, preferably to his allotment

The one person who damaged the labour party more than anyone in history

And I really hope Starmer is not daft enough to give him any position in the shadow cabinet

Starmer is not going to let Corbyn near....

It is the damage to the country that a weak opposition does,,,,,

Just think...if labour had not had such a mental collapse...you'd have Osborne now as PM, no Brexit....and a decent cabinet front bench of big hitters like Grieve, Hammond, May, Hunt, Rudd, etc.....

Oh Lord. I can live with Osborne and Hunt but 'big hitters' like May - give me a break.

Corbyn did the nation a favour afterall it appears.

Depends. A bigger loss in 2017 might have killed Corbynism. Is it now embedded even though he is going?

I'm hopeful enough sane people on the left realise the 2019 result has shown the 2017 loss not to be the white light they thought it was. And if they're not I'm hopeful the British public have enough sense to give the same verdict until they do.