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edited May 2020 in General

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Although there has been no big breakthrough for LAB since double election loser Corbyn was replaced by Starmer a positive is that the party is now out of the 20s and the CON share is edging down.

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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    First?
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 595
    edited May 2020
    Rifkind and Steel rule out a Con/Lib Dem coalition, it would never have worked anyway.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004
    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited May 2020
    Change in the polls, when it comes, will be sudden and dramatic I suspect. Some way off I should think. As Philip notes the Tories being so strong in the polls should be very unusual, yet that was the case pre rallying effect.
    eadric said:

    This is so desperately poor. Why now, and not in Feb or even March?

    https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1258865810686214145?s=21

    A very pertinent question which I hope there is a good answer to, as the decisions on that subject do look odd without such an explanation.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    edited May 2020

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    HMG didn't hang around implementing that did they. Oh...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    Off topoc. But what is it about garden centres? I can't honestly ever recall having been to onr. Allowing them to open isnt gping to materially affect my situation.
    Other than the most avid gardener I can't imagine too many others either.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    Also: "...from the end of May" WTAF!?
  • mike9978hmike9978h Posts: 9
    Yet again Mike has to spin a 17-23% lead as being only ok for the Conservatives if not just bad. Please cut the bias. Starmer had nowhere to go but up and hasn't had a breakthrough. He has a very safe and boring leadership election campaign which was a missed opportunity (Blair made this point). He may ask good question, if being a bit partisan in PMQs but it takes more than that.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    We shall see. You lamented long and hard that a failure to lockdown sooner and harder was a shameful failure, yet now you're talking of it having done more harm than good. The gov will need to explain its decisions - and curious that I don't recall the opposition making a big show on the failure to do this before now despite it being out of step with many places - and who knows you might well change your tune.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    2024 is a bloody long time away and could be an entirely different political era.

    I see no value in betting on the next election at present.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    Given the Tories have not won 50% of the vote since WW2, if them polling 50% or more still is a worry for them I hate to think what real problems would be
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..


    Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.

    This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    Also: "...from the end of May" WTAF!?
    Sounds a bit like they didn't think there was a point in bringing it in earlier because the virus was already widespread so it'd make no difference once everywhere was locked down internally anyway, but once we are easing out of lockdown it would make a difference and we can bring in the measures ahead of, and to hopefully prevent, a second wave. But I've no idea if that is the reasoning or even if it makes sense, but the delay in bringing it in until June makes me think that way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    dodrade said:

    Rifkind and Steel rule out a Con/Lib Dem coalition, it would never have worked anyway.

    Steel also said the LDs would not back a tax cut for the rich, before Clegg backed a cut in the top rate of income tax to 45%
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..


    Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.

    This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
    Pretty sure he wouldn't think it is going to last, but equally many would have said it wouldn't have happened at all and it has.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    edited May 2020
    mike9978h said:

    Yet again Mike has to spin a 17-23% lead as being only ok for the Conservatives if not just bad. Please cut the bias. Starmer had nowhere to go but up and hasn't had a breakthrough. He has a very safe and boring leadership election campaign which was a missed opportunity (Blair made this point). He may ask good question, if being a bit partisan in PMQs but it takes more than that.

    Partisan? He is Leader of the Opposition. It would be dereliction of duty if he wasn't.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,009

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    Seems a bit unfair, when even people who have the disease can go out after 7 days ...
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    HYUFD said:
    Can we have pubs, 1 June please? With social distancing of course
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FPT @Gallowgate

    Alistair said:

    Interesting in Sweden that Malmo is still basically covid free.

    Do you know if the bridge between Malmo and Copenhagen is closed?
    It’s open but my friend who lives in Malmo and works in Copenhagen has to bring a passport and his job contract to pass over each day
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    dixiedean said:

    Off topoc. But what is it about garden centres? I can't honestly ever recall having been to onr. Allowing them to open isnt gping to materially affect my situation.
    Other than the most avid gardener I can't imagine too many others either.

    Agree it's hardly a seismic shift but I suspect the majority of the population do visit garden centres, especially this time of year. They are not just for 'avid gardners'.

    Also worth noting most garden centres do a lot of non-garden retailing these days.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840

    2024 is a bloody long time away and could be an entirely different political era.

    I see no value in betting on the next election at present.

    Indeed. Given that it was 5 years yesterday since Cameron won a majority, you would imagine folk may be somewhat loath to envision 4 years into the future. What with a pandemic, global recession and all.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    edited May 2020
    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:
    Can we have pubs, 1 June please? With social distancing of course
    Self-catering holidays in the UK from July June too please?

    Edit: Mrs P. has just pointed out our week in a cottage in Cornwall is actually booked for the end of June not July!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    kle4 said:

    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    Also: "...from the end of May" WTAF!?
    Sounds a bit like they didn't think there was a point in bringing it in earlier because the virus was already widespread so it'd make no difference once everywhere was locked down internally anyway, but once we are easing out of lockdown it would make a difference and we can bring in the measures ahead of, and to hopefully prevent, a second wave. But I've no idea if that is the reasoning or even if it makes sense, but the delay in bringing it in until June makes me think that way.
    Or. They don't know what they're doing. There is always that to consider.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004
    kle4 said:

    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    Also: "...from the end of May" WTAF!?
    Sounds a bit like they didn't think there was a point in bringing it in earlier because the virus was already widespread so it'd make no difference once everywhere was locked down internally anyway, but once we are easing out of lockdown it would make a difference and we can bring in the measures ahead of, and to hopefully prevent, a second wave. But I've no idea if that is the reasoning or even if it makes sense, but the delay in bringing it in until June makes me think that way.
    Seems that is the advice
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    HYUFD said:

    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn

    You invited your flat to a BBQ?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004
    Chris said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    Seems a bit unfair, when even people who have the disease can go out after 7 days ...
    And ends holidays abroad for as long as it is in force
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:
    Can we have pubs, 1 June please? With social distancing of course
    Self-catering holidays in the UK from July too please?
    And flights to USA August? Ok we will wait until next year for that!
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Seriously if Boris doesn't come out with a sensible programme on Sunday I am going Starmer 😈
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    2024 is a bloody long time away and could be an entirely different political era.

    I see no value in betting on the next election at present.

    Yes and No! At an objective level 2024 is a long way off - but if Polling Day is to be May that year, we are almost as close to it as to the 2016 Referendum!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:
    Can we have pubs, 1 June please? With social distancing of course
    Self-catering holidays in the UK from July too please?
    And flights to USA August? Ok we will wait until next year for that!
    Lol, we should be on the QM2 heading for NY this week. :disappointed:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..


    Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.

    This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
    Yep. We have a very volatile electorate now.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,009
    HYUFD said:
    Presumably that will mean a change to the regulations about purposes for which we're allowed to leave the house. Will there be an extra item "to visit a garden centre" or will garden centres be classified as "critical public services"?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    edited May 2020

    Chris said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    Seems a bit unfair, when even people who have the disease can go out after 7 days ...
    And ends holidays abroad for as long as it is in force

    Unless you go by car, train, ferry or, dare I say it, cruise ship!

    (Ok that last one is not going to be an option anytime soon)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:
    Can we have pubs, 1 June please? With social distancing of course
    Self-catering holidays in the UK from July too please?
    And flights to USA August? Ok we will wait until next year for that!
    Lol, we should be on the QM2 heading for NY this week. :disappointed:
    We should be flying to our sons in Vancouver next tuesday
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004
    Ave_it said:

    Seriously if Boris doesn't come out with a sensible programme on Sunday I am going Starmer 😈

    He wants a longer lockdown
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    HYUFD said:

    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn

    You invited your flat to a BBQ?
    The flat was the only invitee that turned up :wink:
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004

    Chris said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    Seems a bit unfair, when even people who have the disease can go out after 7 days ...
    And ends holidays abroad for as long as it is in force

    Unless you go by car, train, ferry or, dare I say it, cruise ship!

    (Ok that last one is not going to be an opion anytime soon)
    I think it applies across the board but could be wrong
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    dodrade said:

    Rifkind and Steel rule out a Con/Lib Dem coalition, it would never have worked anyway.

    Steel also said the LDs would not back a tax cut for the rich, before Clegg backed a cut in the top rate of income tax to 45%
    Steel - and Kennedy - ought to have been much more vocal in seeking to block formation of the Coaltion.If 12 LD MPs had openly declared that they felt unable to support such a government,it would not have come to pass.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840

    dixiedean said:

    Off topoc. But what is it about garden centres? I can't honestly ever recall having been to onr. Allowing them to open isnt gping to materially affect my situation.
    Other than the most avid gardener I can't imagine too many others either.

    Agree it's hardly a seismic shift but I suspect the majority of the population do visit garden centres, especially this time of year. They are not just for 'avid gardners'.

    Also worth noting most garden centres do a lot of non-garden retailing these days.
    Oh. I didn't know that. But then I've never been to one....what kinds of stuff do they sell? Am I in some weird minority in my total ignorance?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,287
    Ave_it said:

    Seriously if Boris doesn't come out with a sensible programme on Sunday I am going Starmer 😈

    Goint to the dark side Ave It ???🤣🤣🤣
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    edited May 2020

    Ave_it said:

    Seriously if Boris doesn't come out with a sensible programme on Sunday I am going Starmer 😈

    He wants a longer lockdown
    Maybe that is was what Ave_it was alluding to.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,997

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:
    Can we have pubs, 1 June please? With social distancing of course
    Self-catering holidays in the UK from July too please?
    And flights to USA August? Ok we will wait until next year for that!
    Lol, we should be on the QM2 heading for NY this week. :disappointed:
    I should be in The Hague tonight
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004

    Ave_it said:

    Seriously if Boris doesn't come out with a sensible programme on Sunday I am going Starmer 😈

    He wants a longer lockdown
    Maybe that is was what Ave_it was alluding to.
    Maybe
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Ave_it said:

    Seriously if Boris doesn't come out with a sensible programme on Sunday I am going Starmer 😈

    Goint to the dark side Ave It ???🤣🤣🤣
    He has probably lived there too long already.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Chris said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    Seems a bit unfair, when even people who have the disease can go out after 7 days ...
    And ends holidays abroad for as long as it is in force

    Unless you go by car, train, ferry or, dare I say it, cruise ship!

    (Ok that last one is not going to be an opion anytime soon)
    I think it applies across the board but could be wrong
    You're probably right Big_G.

    Mrs P and were speculating on the possibility of a 99 day cruise where, instead of going round the world, you just visit 7 ports... but have to do 14 days quarantine in each port. We were on our 2nd or third bottle by then mind.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,997
    Chris said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    Seems a bit unfair, when even people who have the disease can go out after 7 days ...
    It's to include an incubation period. If you are in contact with a household member with the virus, you should self-isolate for 14 days, not 7. 7 is from the onset of symptoms.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Seriously if Boris doesn't come out with a sensible programme on Sunday I am going Starmer 😈

    Goint to the dark side Ave It ???🤣🤣🤣
    Yes I fancy a new party.

    Or maybe LD under Layla 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    edited May 2020
    HYUFD said:

    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn

    I don't call having the Queen and Vera Lynn around to your flat for a barbecue, social distancing! Shame on you, both are in a high risk group.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:
    Can we have pubs, 1 June please? With social distancing of course
    Self-catering holidays in the UK from July too please?
    And flights to USA August? Ok we will wait until next year for that!
    Lol, we should be on the QM2 heading for NY this week. :disappointed:
    I should be in The Hague tonight
    It's particluarly galling as we have never sailed out of Southampton in nice weather. If we'd departed on Wednesday as planned we'd have had a beautiful few days heading out to the Atlantic.

    On the other hand, in compensation we've had a beautiful few days at home in rural Dorset. We count our blessings.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,997
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Off topoc. But what is it about garden centres? I can't honestly ever recall having been to onr. Allowing them to open isnt gping to materially affect my situation.
    Other than the most avid gardener I can't imagine too many others either.

    Agree it's hardly a seismic shift but I suspect the majority of the population do visit garden centres, especially this time of year. They are not just for 'avid gardners'.

    Also worth noting most garden centres do a lot of non-garden retailing these days.
    Oh. I didn't know that. But then I've never been to one....what kinds of stuff do they sell? Am I in some weird minority in my total ignorance?
    No, I've never been to one. We have a gardener for that sort of thing.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Seriously if Boris doesn't come out with a sensible programme on Sunday I am going Starmer 😈

    He wants a longer lockdown
    Maybe that is was what Ave_it was alluding to.
    Maybe
    I want freedom! Let's get out there!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019

    HYUFD said:

    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn

    You invited your flat to a BBQ?
    He brought his favourite opinion poll to a Covid-19 fight.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,415
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Off topoc. But what is it about garden centres? I can't honestly ever recall having been to onr. Allowing them to open isnt gping to materially affect my situation.
    Other than the most avid gardener I can't imagine too many others either.

    Agree it's hardly a seismic shift but I suspect the majority of the population do visit garden centres, especially this time of year. They are not just for 'avid gardners'.

    Also worth noting most garden centres do a lot of non-garden retailing these days.
    Oh. I didn't know that. But then I've never been to one....what kinds of stuff do they sell? Am I in some weird minority in my total ignorance?
    Water features, compost , potted plants , gnomes - you know the crack cocaine of middle England
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Seriously if Boris doesn't come out with a sensible programme on Sunday I am going Starmer 😈

    Goint to the dark side Ave It ???🤣🤣🤣
    Yes I fancy a new party.

    Or maybe LD under Layla 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
    Worse Eric Clapton cover ever.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,009

    Chris said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    Seems a bit unfair, when even people who have the disease can go out after 7 days ...
    It's to include an incubation period. If you are in contact with a household member with the virus, you should self-isolate for 14 days, not 7. 7 is from the onset of symptoms.
    Yes it's perfectly sensible to let people out after 7 days of course.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004

    Chris said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    Seems a bit unfair, when even people who have the disease can go out after 7 days ...
    And ends holidays abroad for as long as it is in force

    Unless you go by car, train, ferry or, dare I say it, cruise ship!

    (Ok that last one is not going to be an opion anytime soon)
    I think it applies across the board but could be wrong
    You're probably right Big_G.

    Mrs P and were speculating on the possibility of a 99 day cruise where, instead of going round the world, you just visit 7 ports... but have to do 14 days quarantine in each port. We were on our 2nd or third bottle by then mind.
    We have to keep our humour to be fair
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712

    HYUFD said:

    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn

    You invited your flat to a BBQ?
    No I was invited to it
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Off topoc. But what is it about garden centres? I can't honestly ever recall having been to onr. Allowing them to open isnt gping to materially affect my situation.
    Other than the most avid gardener I can't imagine too many others either.

    Agree it's hardly a seismic shift but I suspect the majority of the population do visit garden centres, especially this time of year. They are not just for 'avid gardners'.

    Also worth noting most garden centres do a lot of non-garden retailing these days.
    Oh. I didn't know that. But then I've never been to one....what kinds of stuff do they sell? Am I in some weird minority in my total ignorance?
    Clothes, food, books, cards, homeware, toys, lots of cheap old junk that plenty of people seem compelled to buy... Oh, and some plants and compost too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dodrade said:

    Rifkind and Steel rule out a Con/Lib Dem coalition, it would never have worked anyway.

    Steel also said the LDs would not back a tax cut for the rich, before Clegg backed a cut in the top rate of income tax to 45%
    Steel - and Kennedy - ought to have been much more vocal in seeking to block formation of the Coaltion.If 12 LD MPs had openly declared that they felt unable to support such a government,it would not have come to pass.
    There was not the mandate for them to support Labour either, given the Tories were by far the largest party on votes and seats a Tory LD deal whether confidence or supply was the only option available to them
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,415

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Off topoc. But what is it about garden centres? I can't honestly ever recall having been to onr. Allowing them to open isnt gping to materially affect my situation.
    Other than the most avid gardener I can't imagine too many others either.

    Agree it's hardly a seismic shift but I suspect the majority of the population do visit garden centres, especially this time of year. They are not just for 'avid gardners'.

    Also worth noting most garden centres do a lot of non-garden retailing these days.
    Oh. I didn't know that. But then I've never been to one....what kinds of stuff do they sell? Am I in some weird minority in my total ignorance?
    Clothes, food, books, cards, homeware, toys, lots of cheap old junk that plenty of people seem compelled to buy... Oh, and some plants and compost too.
    They don't call them Thirtypoundlands for nothing
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    Worldometer's Coronavirus cases count has just gone over 4 million I see.

    I wonder what the true global number of cases is?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,749
    HYUFD said:
    I see that we're still getting policy via the sewage outfall rather than straight from the bumhole.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dodrade said:

    Rifkind and Steel rule out a Con/Lib Dem coalition, it would never have worked anyway.

    Steel also said the LDs would not back a tax cut for the rich, before Clegg backed a cut in the top rate of income tax to 45%
    Steel - and Kennedy - ought to have been much more vocal in seeking to block formation of the Coaltion.If 12 LD MPs had openly declared that they felt unable to support such a government,it would not have come to pass.
    There was not the mandate for them to support Labour either, given the Tories were by far the largest party on votes and seats a Tory LD deal whether confidence or supply was the only option available to them
    Is that programme still on? I bet Con and LD end up forming a coalition
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    HYUFD said:
    I see that we're still getting policy via the sewage outfall rather than straight from the bumhole.
    Lol! Brilliant!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    edited May 2020

    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..


    Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.

    This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
    The Tories only hit 19% as most of their 2017 vote went to the Brexit Party who hit 25%, that will not happen again as Boris has reunited the pro Brexit vote and the right under his banner. Hence his landslide victory last year
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,774
    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    It's worse than that.

    Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.

    It literally makes no sense.

    There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.

    It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dodrade said:

    Rifkind and Steel rule out a Con/Lib Dem coalition, it would never have worked anyway.

    Steel also said the LDs would not back a tax cut for the rich, before Clegg backed a cut in the top rate of income tax to 45%
    Steel - and Kennedy - ought to have been much more vocal in seeking to block formation of the Coaltion.If 12 LD MPs had openly declared that they felt unable to support such a government,it would not have come to pass.
    There was not the mandate for them to support Labour either, given the Tories were by far the largest party on votes and seats a Tory LD deal whether confidence or supply was the only option available to them
    Is that programme still on? I bet Con and LD end up forming a coalition
    Yes it is mid morning and Paxman still interviewing
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dodrade said:

    Rifkind and Steel rule out a Con/Lib Dem coalition, it would never have worked anyway.

    Steel also said the LDs would not back a tax cut for the rich, before Clegg backed a cut in the top rate of income tax to 45%
    Steel - and Kennedy - ought to have been much more vocal in seeking to block formation of the Coaltion.If 12 LD MPs had openly declared that they felt unable to support such a government,it would not have come to pass.
    There was not the mandate for them to support Labour either, given the Tories were by far the largest party on votes and seats a Tory LD deal whether confidence or supply was the only option available to them
    Is that programme still on? I bet Con and LD end up forming a coalition
    No chance, that would spell catastrophe for the LDs at the next election.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959
    edited May 2020

    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..


    Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.

    This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
    It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.

    Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.

    The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    HYUFD said:

    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..


    Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.

    This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
    The Tories only hit 19% as most of their 2017 vote went to the Brexit Party who hit 25%, that will not happen again as Boris has reunited the pro Brexit vote and the right under his banner
    Zzzzz You're confusing me with someone who gives a f*ck.

    My point is that the polls today say precisely nothing about what they will be at next election.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,774
    kle4 said:

    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    Also: "...from the end of May" WTAF!?
    Sounds a bit like they didn't think there was a point in bringing it in earlier because the virus was already widespread so it'd make no difference once everywhere was locked down internally anyway, but once we are easing out of lockdown it would make a difference and we can bring in the measures ahead of, and to hopefully prevent, a second wave. But I've no idea if that is the reasoning or even if it makes sense, but the delay in bringing it in until June makes me think that way.
    Also, why not be a bit smarter and have different countries with different risk tiers:

    - coming from South Korea? Come right in
    - coming from the US? Two week quarantine
    - coming from Mexico? No you're not
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959
    edited May 2020

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Seriously if Boris doesn't come out with a sensible programme on Sunday I am going Starmer 😈

    Goint to the dark side Ave It ???🤣🤣🤣
    Yes I fancy a new party.

    Or maybe LD under Layla 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
    Worse Eric Clapton cover ever.
    Cocaine by Michael Gove?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,415
    At this rate of easing lockdown (garden centres!) we will be with Buck Rodgers in the 25th century before pubs are open. Shall we all have a guess as to what extra treat we will have next week?
    My suggestion would be to allow Music shops to open but only if they sell only woodwind and brass instruments - drums can be saved for the following weeks easing.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004

    HYUFD said:

    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..


    Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.

    This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
    The Tories only hit 19% as most of their 2017 vote went to the Brexit Party who hit 25%, that will not happen again as Boris has reunited the pro Brexit vote and the right under his banner
    Zzzzz You're confusing me with someone who gives a f*ck.

    My point is that the polls today say precisely nothing about what they will be at next election.
    On that we are one Ben
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    At this rate of easing lockdown (garden centres!) we will be with Buck Rodgers in the 25th century before pubs are open. Shall we all have a guess as to what extra treat we will have next week?
    My suggestion would be to allow Music shops to open but only if they sell only woodwind and brass instruments - drums can be saved for the following weeks easing.

    Haberdashers - so that we can buy the elastic to make masks from old dusters?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069
    rcs1000 said:

    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    It's worse than that.

    Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.

    It literally makes no sense.

    There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.

    It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
    Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.

    Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?

    Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..


    Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.

    This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
    We have an 80 seat majority, I'm content to enjoy it for the next few years.

    If we win a fifth consecutive election in 2024 that to be honest will be far more than I ever expected and if not c'est la vie.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Asking people to self isolate isn’t a quarantine. The government isn’t taking charge of those travellers . The headline looks tough but just more spin.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FPT @eadric
    eadric said:

    Lockdown reminds me of the Evacuation of children in 1940. Done for the best reasons, and totally logical, but in the end many rebelled and it probably damaged more than it saved

    Gave us The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe though
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,853

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Off topoc. But what is it about garden centres? I can't honestly ever recall having been to onr. Allowing them to open isnt gping to materially affect my situation.
    Other than the most avid gardener I can't imagine too many others either.

    Agree it's hardly a seismic shift but I suspect the majority of the population do visit garden centres, especially this time of year. They are not just for 'avid gardners'.

    Also worth noting most garden centres do a lot of non-garden retailing these days.
    Oh. I didn't know that. But then I've never been to one....what kinds of stuff do they sell? Am I in some weird minority in my total ignorance?
    Clothes, food, books, cards, homeware, toys, lots of cheap old junk that plenty of people seem compelled to buy... Oh, and some plants and compost too.
    They don't call them Thirtypoundlands for nothing
    Ha! I'd not heard that but it is pretty accurate. There's obviously more money in selling expensive tat than plants. Don't forget the obligatory tea shop too, although that will presumably have to remain closed.

    Garden centres are all very well for Middle England, but I'm not sure a big fanfare announcing that you can now go to one will go down that well in the Red Wall.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn

    You invited your flat to a BBQ?
    No I was invited to it
    I really am confused now.
  • Chris said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    Seems a bit unfair, when even people who have the disease can go out after 7 days ...
    And ends holidays abroad for as long as it is in force

    Unless you go by car, train, ferry or, dare I say it, cruise ship!

    (Ok that last one is not going to be an opion anytime soon)
    I think it applies across the board but could be wrong
    Does it apply at the Irish border?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,997
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    It's worse than that.

    Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.

    It literally makes no sense.

    There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.

    It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
    Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.

    Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?

    Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
    Only if you visit a care home, surely? I'm not sure how care homes raise the R number for the rest if us who never go in one.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    edited May 2020

    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..


    Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.

    This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
    It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.

    Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.

    The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
    Anyone who thinks the Tories will get 50% in the next GE with the economy in tatters, a 5th wave of CV-19 likely filling the ICUs again, and a big chunk of loyal Tory voters having sadly voted their last is similarly deluded.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,774
    nico67 said:

    Asking people to self isolate isn’t a quarantine. The government isn’t taking charge of those travellers . The headline looks tough but just more spin.

    If they're asking people to self isolate, then why bother?

    It's not quarantine, it's a con-antine.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    nico67 said:

    Asking people to self isolate isn’t a quarantine. The government isn’t taking charge of those travellers . The headline looks tough but just more spin.

    So in other words no different from what the government was asking people to do in February?

    If so, that’s pathetic.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    edited May 2020

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn

    You invited your flat to a BBQ?
    No I was invited to it
    I really am confused now.
    He was invited to a BBQ with his flat, obviously.

    I am sure he'll have a poll out soon to explain it all.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    It's worse than that.

    Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.

    It literally makes no sense.

    There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.

    It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
    Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.

    Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?

    Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
    I know you are a medical man and I am a f******* idiot but your first statement makes no sense to me.

    Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people. who then disperse to all corners of the UK, some using public transport like the tube, sounds like a bad idea to me.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn

    You invited your flat to a BBQ?
    No I was invited to it
    I really am confused now.
    He was invited to a BBQ with his flat, obviously.
    It sounds like the plot of a Mr Bean episode.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Its remarkable how normal and how taken for granted the Tories getting 50% in the polls is now. The polls are comparable to those in 1998, but after a decade of the blues being in Downing Street..


    Enjoy it while you can... it's not going to last.

    This time last year the Tories hit 19%; 50% today means nothing with no GE on the horizon.
    It means everything if there isn't another Tory voter strike.

    Any political commentator who thought the Tory vote in a General Election was anywhere near 19% was a pillock. Especially with Corbyn helming Labour.

    The run up to the EU elections 2019 was marked by an army of those who would later vote for Boris having a larf. It was an election where you could do that. Nothing was at stake. Vote Brexit Party - and watch the commentariat piss their pants.
    Indeed.

    I could never have voted for UKIP but I voted Brexit Party as a "sack Theresa May now" protest vote - my vote meant nothing more nor less than that.

    Even voting BXP I still felt like a Tory in exile and I'm glad my vote was one of millions that saw the back of that horrid woman.

    Anyone who thought 19% was real is smoking harder drugs than even Michael Gove would touch.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Off topoc. But what is it about garden centres? I can't honestly ever recall having been to onr. Allowing them to open isnt gping to materially affect my situation.
    Other than the most avid gardener I can't imagine too many others either.

    Agree it's hardly a seismic shift but I suspect the majority of the population do visit garden centres, especially this time of year. They are not just for 'avid gardners'.

    Also worth noting most garden centres do a lot of non-garden retailing these days.
    Oh. I didn't know that. But then I've never been to one....what kinds of stuff do they sell? Am I in some weird minority in my total ignorance?
    Clothes, food, books, cards, homeware, toys, lots of cheap old junk that plenty of people seem compelled to buy... Oh, and some plants and compost too.
    They don't call them Thirtypoundlands for nothing
    Ha! I'd not heard that but it is pretty accurate. There's obviously more money in selling expensive tat than plants. Don't forget the obligatory tea shop too, although that will presumably have to remain closed.

    Garden centres are all very well for Middle England, but I'm not sure a big fanfare announcing that you can now go to one will go down that well in the Red Wall.
    They are pretty big business oop north as well as I recall.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    It's worse than that.

    Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.

    It literally makes no sense.

    There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.

    It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
    Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.

    Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?

    Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
    I know you are a medical man and I am a f******* idiot but your first statement makes no sense to me.

    Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people. who then disperse to all corners of the UK, some using public transport like the tube, sounds like a bad idea to me.
    No its not.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,415

    At this rate of easing lockdown (garden centres!) we will be with Buck Rodgers in the 25th century before pubs are open. Shall we all have a guess as to what extra treat we will have next week?
    My suggestion would be to allow Music shops to open but only if they sell only woodwind and brass instruments - drums can be saved for the following weeks easing.

    Haberdashers - so that we can buy the elastic to make masks from old dusters?
    Followed a week later by Joke Shops - after intensive lobbying by purveyors of dirty fidos so that good clean fun can be once again enjoyed by the Great British Public
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn

    You invited your flat to a BBQ?
    No I was invited to it
    I really am confused now.
    He was invited to a BBQ with his flat, obviously.

    I am sure he'll have a poll out soon to explain it all.
    I hope it's not that rogue poll he wheeled out every other day in November saying Johnson would achieve a landslide.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Had a socially distanced BBQ with my flat, been a good VE Day all in all, finished with the Queen and Vera Lynn

    You invited your flat to a BBQ?
    No I was invited to it
    I really am confused now.
    He was invited to a BBQ with his flat, obviously.
    It sounds like the plot of a Mr Bean episode.
    Did he get his head stuck in a turkey?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eadric said:

    Times

    All flights passengers to be quarantined for 14 days including returning UK citizens

    How the F was this not done in February or March?

    A shameful failure
    It's worse than that.

    Quarantining starts "at the end of May". So, in three weeks time when the problems are less severe, they'll implement it.

    It literally makes no sense.

    There must be 10,000 beds around Heathrow in airport hotels, maybe 20,000, and they're all empty.

    It's really not complicated to put people there for two weeks.
    Until the prevalence drops here, there is no benefit.

    Haven't you noticed that we are the European hotspot?

    Safer in Italy or Spain than London at present!
    I know you are a medical man and I am a f******* idiot but your first statement makes no sense to me.

    Surely an aircraft is a mobile petri dish, recirculating air shared between 200 people. who then disperse to all corners of the UK, some using public transport like the tube, sounds like a bad idea to me.
    No its not.
    Why?
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