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The political splits here should be worrying for Number 10. By backing Cummings they are going very much against what voters think .

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Mexicanpete

It is trial by media! Don't do it Boris!

Oh and first.

Fishing

Weren't the lockdown rules set by the government with the expectation that only half of us would comply?

They should have made them voluntary if they had to have them at all.

Scott_xP

They are totally fucked

https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/1264243692354879488

Ave_it

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

HYUFD

43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should. A significantly higher 66% of Labour voters think he should resign.

45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a big majority, 66% of Remainers, think he should resign

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

isam

Fishing said:

Weren't the lockdown rules set by the government with the expectation that only half of us would comply?

They should have made them voluntary if they had to have them at all.

They sure should

rottenborough

"The suspicion remains that somewhere, deep in their hearts, the cabinet’s collective reaction to this scandal – for such it is – is predicated on a still darker appreciation of an unwelcome political reality. Namely that the Prime Minister, whatever his other talents, is not actually up to the job of running the country in a moment such as this. "

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-dominic-cummings-must-go

I seem to recall that Gove had this view when he pulled the plug on a Johnson leadership run back in the day. Or did I dream that?

EPG

Boris was right all along, this Labour Remainer lockdown was terrible!

rottenborough

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

As I (jokingly) posted earlier: this whole stunt was a game theory move by Dom to get UK back to work.

Banterman

Nobody in the general public knows who he is. A media bubble story that will go away.

Still, the media are still mad about Brexit, Boris's election victory and the actual departure on January 31st 2020.

it reminds me of how Labour and their media mates attacked Lord Ashcroft in 2010 when as now, its a no name to the vast mass of people

DougSeal

HYUFD said:

43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.

ydoethur

FPT:

rkrkrk said:

Foxy said:

Matt tommorow.

It does seem particularly incongruous to lock up visiting tourists and returning Britons for 14 days, while permitting actively viral travel to Durham.

His cartoons really are excellent.

I must say I don't agree with the majority on here that this will significantly undermine the lockdown.

People will largely observe the rules regardless I suspect. They'll just be really annoyed and even more suspicious of politicians.

That’s missing the point. If even 25% ignore them from now on, and the police do nothing - which unless Cummings resigns is pretty well all they can do - lockdown will simply progressively unravel over the next ten days.

Ironically, there could be worse ways of ending it.

rottenborough

Scott_xP said:

They are totally fucked

https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/1264243692354879488

I am optimistic that Oxford are right and we have natural immunity and a lot of people who have had it without noticing.

But...

If that is incorrect and R shoots up as the lockdown now falls completely to pieces, then this administration is in in utter shit.

AlastairMeeks

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

Gallowgate

FPT: great timing with the comms strategy

https://twitter.com/govuk/status/1264179319695388673?s=21

HYUFD

DougSeal said:

HYUFD said:

43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.

Largely irrelevant if they want to keep him in post

isam

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory". No one has been arrested for breaking lockdown, so in reality it was

stodge

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

"End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1264177092889128960

DougSeal

Banterman said:

Nobody in the general public knows who he is. A media bubble story that will go away.

Still, the media are still mad about Brexit, Boris's election victory and the actual departure on January 31st 2020.

it reminds me of how Labour and their media mates attacked Lord Ashcroft in 2010 when as now, its a no name to the vast mass of people

This was the lead story on Heart FM news all day. If it has traction on local commercial radio then it has escaped the bubble.

Gallowgate

HYUFD said:

DougSeal said:

HYUFD said:

43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.

Largely irrelevant if they want to keep him in post

Its not irrelevant in the sense that @Philip_Thompson has been putting in the hours defending him all day.

CorrectHorseBattery

I lost count, like the number of times Johnson lied

AlastairMeeks

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"

That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.

tlg86

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1264177092889128960

Not that I think it makes what Cummings did acceptable, but the government's aim during lockdown was to manage the macro rather than the micro.

The only time I can recall the government picking on any group of individuals was when one of them (Hancock, I think) had a pop at footballers.

Of course, they didn't ride to the rescue of Ferguson - though Shapps thinks that was because what he did wasn't understandable.

isam

AlastairMeeks said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"

That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.

Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory

Like you, I have broken the lockdown rules dozens of times. I know very few people who haven't actually. They've modified their behaviour to a massive extent, but no one has stuck to it to the letter that I can think of. Probably the public obedience outcome the government wanted, but not the PR outcome

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/Martha_Gill/status/1264255205190836225

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1264253270018666497?s=20

Ave_it

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

"End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.

We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1264254319890702343

Gallowgate

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"

That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.

Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory

What are you on about? Over 14,000 people have been fined by Police in England alone for breaching lockdown.

Andy_Cooke

If I didn’t care about covid restrictions collapsing and wanted an albatross to be hung around the Tories’ neck, I’d be hoping Cummings stays on.

The polling shows far less difference between Remainers and Leavers on this than the majority of polling on most things recently - the obsessive insistence that it’s all a Remain-Leave thing is a political bubble thing by the Tory activists and politicians.

SirNorfolkPassmore

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory". No one has been arrested for breaking lockdown, so in reality it was

Well that isn't true. This article shows there were 78 in Scotland alone from 27 March to 23 April: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52410389

tlg86

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

"End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.

Furlough is welfare for those who are deemed too good for the dole.

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254210968899584

https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254346075598848

https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254871185829890

EPG

tlg86 said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1264177092889128960

Not that I think it makes what Cummings did acceptable, but the government's aim during lockdown was to manage the macro rather than the micro.

The only time I can recall the government picking on any group of individuals was when one of them (Hancock, I think) had a pop at footballers.

Of course, they didn't ride to the rescue of Ferguson - though Shapps thinks that was because what he did wasn't understandable.

Ferguson complicates the rest. Too many cabinet ministers condemned him for what was technically not a breach of law, when they should have known right well that a number of their own colleagues may have actually breached the law (and the same goes for other political parties).

AlastairMeeks

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"

That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.

Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory

Yes and that was the real damage done today.

The government is going to need the public working with it in the coming months. It has now incinerated its moral authority to command. Perhaps the public will do what they want anyway. That must be very doubtful.

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/1264254609788416000

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/ajmcq1993/status/1264211827480768513

isam

Gallowgate said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"

That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.

Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory

What are you on about? Over 14,000 people have been fined by Police in England alone for breaching lockdown.

Oh ok I was wrong, sorry. I asked here earlier if anyone had been prosecuted/arrested and nobody came up with anything, so I assumed they hadn't. How much was the biggest fine?

rkrkrk

ydoethur said:

FPT:

rkrkrk said:

Foxy said:

Matt tommorow.

It does seem particularly incongruous to lock up visiting tourists and returning Britons for 14 days, while permitting actively viral travel to Durham.

His cartoons really are excellent.

I must say I don't agree with the majority on here that this will significantly undermine the lockdown.

People will largely observe the rules regardless I suspect. They'll just be really annoyed and even more suspicious of politicians.

That’s missing the point. If even 25% ignore them from now on, and the police do nothing - which unless Cummings resigns is pretty well all they can do - lockdown will simply progressively unravel over the next ten days.

Ironically, there could be worse ways of ending it.

Disagree. People are not observing lockdown out of fear of the police. They are doing it because they think it's the right thing to do.

We will see if Cummings does or doesn't resign. I'm happy to bet if he stays, the lockdown won't unravel in 10 days.

AlastairMeeks

https://twitter.com/iaindale/status/1264252700532912128?s=21

isam

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory". No one has been arrested for breaking lockdown, so in reality it was

Well that isn't true. This article shows there were 78 in Scotland alone from 27 March to 23 April: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52410389

Sorry, yes you're right. £30 fine, equivalent to a parking ticket.

HYUFD

Andy_Cooke said:

If I didn’t care about covid restrictions collapsing and wanted an albatross to be hung around the Tories’ neck, I’d be hoping Cummings stays on.

The polling shows far less difference between Remainers and Leavers on this than the majority of polling on most things recently - the obsessive insistence that it’s all a Remain-Leave thing is a political bubble thing by the Tory activists and politicians.

There is a 21% difference between Remainers and Leavers as to whether Cummings should resign or not and an even bigger 25% difference between Tory and Labour voters as to whether he should go.

That is still a sizeable gap

Scott_xP

rkrkrk said:

We will see if Cummings does or doesn't resign. I'm happy to bet if he stays, the lockdown won't unravel in 10 days.

No, it will unravel tomorrow

Mexicanpete

Ave_it said:

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

"End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.

We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work

Thanks for that Mr Duncan Smith.

SirNorfolkPassmore

isam said:

Gallowgate said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"

That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.

Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory

What are you on about? Over 14,000 people have been fined by Police in England alone for breaching lockdown.

Oh ok I was wrong, sorry. I asked here earlier if anyone had been prosecuted/arrested and nobody came up with anything, so I assumed they hadn't. How much was the biggest fine?

How weird to assume that the fact nobody answered your question on an internet forum meant nobody had been arrested.

ydoethur

rkrkrk said:

ydoethur said:

FPT:

rkrkrk said:

Foxy said:

Matt tommorow.

It does seem particularly incongruous to lock up visiting tourists and returning Britons for 14 days, while permitting actively viral travel to Durham.

His cartoons really are excellent.

I must say I don't agree with the majority on here that this will significantly undermine the lockdown.

People will largely observe the rules regardless I suspect. They'll just be really annoyed and even more suspicious of politicians.

That’s missing the point. If even 25% ignore them from now on, and the police do nothing - which unless Cummings resigns is pretty well all they can do - lockdown will simply progressively unravel over the next ten days.

Ironically, there could be worse ways of ending it.

Disagree. People are not observing lockdown out of fear of the police. They are doing it because they think it's the right thing to do.

We will see if Cummings does or doesn't resign. I'm happy to bet if he stays, the lockdown won't unravel in 10 days.

But that’s, again, missing the point. Cummings has effectively forced the government to say it’s *not* the right thing to do.

another_richard

rkrkrk said:

ydoethur said:

FPT:

rkrkrk said:

Foxy said:

Matt tommorow.

It does seem particularly incongruous to lock up visiting tourists and returning Britons for 14 days, while permitting actively viral travel to Durham.

His cartoons really are excellent.

I must say I don't agree with the majority on here that this will significantly undermine the lockdown.

People will largely observe the rules regardless I suspect. They'll just be really annoyed and even more suspicious of politicians.

That’s missing the point. If even 25% ignore them from now on, and the police do nothing - which unless Cummings resigns is pretty well all they can do - lockdown will simply progressively unravel over the next ten days.

Ironically, there could be worse ways of ending it.

Disagree. People are not observing lockdown out of fear of the police. They are doing it because they think it's the right thing to do.

We will see if Cummings does or doesn't resign. I'm happy to bet if he stays, the lockdown won't unravel in 10 days.

So no reason then not to go back to work and school.

Stocky

isam said:

Gallowgate said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"

That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.

Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory

What are you on about? Over 14,000 people have been fined by Police in England alone for breaching lockdown.

Oh ok I was wrong, sorry. I asked here earlier if anyone had been prosecuted/arrested and nobody came up with anything, so I assumed they hadn't. How much was the biggest fine?

It`s analagous to a speeding fine. £100 reduced to £50 if you pay it early.

another_richard

Question re Cummings.

Did any of his relatives in Durham get infected ?

another_richard

Does anyone know today's number of tests and positive results ?

HYUFD

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

DougSeal said:

HYUFD said:

43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.

Largely irrelevant if they want to keep him in post

Its not irrelevant in the sense that @Philip_Thompson has been putting in the hours defending him all day.

Philip Thompson could be Cummings' love child, voted for Brexit, backs Boris, hates May and IDS and believes he is a liberal Brexiteer therefore morally superior to socially conservative Brexiteers

squareroot2

CorrectHorseBattery said:

I lost count, like the number of times Johnson lied

Same poor joke last time it was Boris children which was pretty pathetic. Nothing new here

tyson

Ave_it said:

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

"End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.

We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work

And then what?...I've got an idea...the Poor House...we can relocate the feckless plebs to camps to live off gruel.....provided they work for it of course...

Ave_it

Mexicanpete said:

Ave_it said:

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

"End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.

We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work

Thanks for that Mr Duncan Smith.

Oooh hope HYUFD likes my post!

Pulpstar

AlastairMeeks said:

https://twitter.com/iaindale/status/1264252700532912128?s=21

Doubtless Bluestblue will be here to inform us shortly that Iain Dale is just another lefty remoaner Meeks.

SirNorfolkPassmore

another_richard said:

Question re Cummings.

Did any of his relatives in Durham get infected ?

No idea but, if that's a defence, it's rather like a drunk driver saying "well, I didn't actually crash my car, so what's your problem?"

another_richard

With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

MikeSmithson

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

isam

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

isam said:

Gallowgate said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

isam said:

AlastairMeeks said:

One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"

That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.

Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory

What are you on about? Over 14,000 people have been fined by Police in England alone for breaching lockdown.

Oh ok I was wrong, sorry. I asked here earlier if anyone had been prosecuted/arrested and nobody came up with anything, so I assumed they hadn't. How much was the biggest fine?

How weird to assume that the fact nobody answered your question on an internet forum meant nobody had been arrested.

Haha

Usually any error, subjective or factual, is immediately corrected by people wishing to argue, so the absence of one made me think there had been no arrests. Not that weird really, but I humbly apologise

tlg86

another_richard said:

With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

You only have to look at the reaction from the luvvie media to see why Starmer won't criticise the government on it.

Scott_xP

Oh dear.

The BoZograph was persuaded to run a spoiler last night that got zero airtime

Tonight even they have given up

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1264255392898584577

another_richard

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

another_richard said:

Question re Cummings.

Did any of his relatives in Durham get infected ?

No idea but, if that's a defence, it's rather like a drunk driver saying "well, I didn't actually crash my car, so what's your problem?"

Its not a defence.

Rather it would be conclusive proof of his guilt if they did get infected.

eek

MikeSmithson said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

Just look at the opinion of those new Tory seats in what was Labour's red wall.

tlg86

MikeSmithson said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

The differences in those figures look statistically insignificant to me - unlike leave/remain etc.

malcolmg

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

DougSeal said:

HYUFD said:

43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.

Largely irrelevant if they want to keep him in post

Its not irrelevant in the sense that @Philip_Thompson has been putting in the hours defending him all day.

Philip Thompson could be Cummings' love child, voted for Brexit, backs Boris, hates May and IDS and believes he is a liberal Brexiteer therefore morally superior to socially conservative Brexiteers

He could be Cummings

rkrkrk

Scott_xP said:

rkrkrk said:

We will see if Cummings does or doesn't resign. I'm happy to bet if he stays, the lockdown won't unravel in 10 days.

No, it will unravel tomorrow

If you come up with a workable definition of 'unravel', I'm happy to bet for charity.

I might be wrong, but I think this is a bit like the expenses scandal. People will be incredibly angry at the hypocrisy and optics of it. But it's not going to inspire them to start fiddling their own expenses.

Andy_Cooke

another_richard said:

With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

Fortunately, that quarantine period is also optional and up to the traveller’s judgement, I understand.

eek

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

DougSeal said:

HYUFD said:

43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.

Largely irrelevant if they want to keep him in post

Its not irrelevant in the sense that @Philip_Thompson has been putting in the hours defending him all day.

Philip Thompson could be Cummings' love child, voted for Brexit, backs Boris, hates May and IDS and believes he is a liberal Brexiteer therefore morally superior to socially conservative Brexiteers

He could be Cummings

Nope Cummings can occasionally think one step beyond his first thought.

Ave_it

tyson said:

Ave_it said:

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

"End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.

We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work

And then what?...I've got an idea...the Poor House...we can relocate the feckless plebs to camps to live off gruel.....provided they work for it of course...

You are learning tyson old boy.....

isam

tlg86 said:

MikeSmithson said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

The differences in those figures look statistically insignificant to me - unlike leave/remain etc.

Only Scotland is any different. Strange take from Mike

another_richard

tlg86 said:

another_richard said:

With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

You only have to look at the reaction from the luvvie media to see why Starmer won't criticise the government on it.

For globalist sociopaths there is no limit on the number of lives worth losing in order to keep freedom of movement.

tyson

another_richard said:

Question re Cummings.

Did any of his relatives in Durham get infected ?

As I said earlier...of more importance.....did his missus, Mrs Dom, leave the bog seat down before flushing after she took a dump en route....

At least his family knew what they were letting themselves in for....Mrs Dom most probably unleashed her virus full load on some unknowing schmucks who could possibly now be dead.....

EPG

What happened to "Night time is the right time to fight crime"? You used to be on the side of fighting crime, Dr Cummings.

another_richard

eek said:

MikeSmithson said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

Just look at the opinion of those new Tory seats in what was Labour's red wall.

They are not separated out there.

rottenborough

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254210968899584

https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254346075598848

https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254871185829890

I'll eat my hat if this hasn't cut right through to middle england and they are absolutely fucking furious.

HYUFD

Ave_it said:

Mexicanpete said:

Ave_it said:

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

"End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.

We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work

Thanks for that Mr Duncan Smith.

Oooh hope HYUFD likes my post!

Personally I support UC but while I support sanctions if you are not looking for work I do not support time limited welfare provided you are following the rules

MikeSmithson

I don't think Boris can balls this out and have bet £50 at 2/1 with Ladbrokes that Cummings will go this month.

tyson

Ave_it said:

tyson said:

Ave_it said:

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

"End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.

We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work

And then what?...I've got an idea...the Poor House...we can relocate the feckless plebs to camps to live off gruel.....provided they work for it of course...

You are learning tyson old boy.....

I'm learning....

another_richard

Andy_Cooke said:

another_richard said:

With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

Fortunately, that quarantine period is also optional and up to the traveller’s judgement, I understand.

If it is then its worthless.

Though it may cause aggravation between and employer and an employee who has been abroad.

Fishing

tlg86 said:

another_richard said:

With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

You only have to look at the reaction from the luvvie media to see why Starmer won't criticise the government on it.

I wonder if that's the motif for the Starmer leadership? Good at forensic point scoring at PMQs but when it comes to taking a principled stand on issues, he's not there.

His Brexit strategy before the election was designed to offend as few people as possible, but it ended up being so convoluted that nobody knew what it was.

His school reopening position is similarly bewildering - he's neither for nor against, but wants the teachers and the government to work it out so he doesn't have to take any decisions himself. Or something.

(For the avoidance of doubt, it may be enough to make him PM in 2024 if the Government is badly unpopular by then).

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1264217861205131264

BluestBlue

Scott_xP said:

They are totally fucked

https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/1264243692354879488

Not half as much as Channel 4 is.

HYUFD

MikeSmithson said:

I don't think Boris can balls this out and have bet £50 at 2/1 with Ladbrokes that Cummings will go this month.

If a majority of Tory voters think Cummings should go he is toast, at the moment, narrowly, they don't

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1264255699347034116

DavidL

*tiptoes in*

Are we still talking about this? Jeez.

*tiptoes out again*

another_richard

tyson said:

another_richard said:

Question re Cummings.

Did any of his relatives in Durham get infected ?

As I said earlier...of more importance.....did his missus, Mrs Dom, leave the bog seat down before flushing after she took a dump en route....

At least his family knew what they were letting themselves in for....Mrs Dom most probably unleashed her virus full load on some unknowing schmucks who could possibly now be dead.....

You seem to have developed a curious obsession about public toilets.

Is there some personal experience you wish to tell us about ?

There's no need to be bashful, I'm sure SeanT has done worse.

MattW

Is this a real Yougov survey, or is it the online poll they are running for the public on their website?

CatMan

https://twitter.com/banalyst/status/1264248719299547138?s=20

eek

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1264255699347034116

I believe there is a second house on the farm

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1264261391717974016

kyf_100

tyson said:

Ave_it said:

stodge said:

Ave_it said:

Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

"End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.

We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work

And then what?...I've got an idea...the Poor House...we can relocate the feckless plebs to camps to live off gruel.....provided they work for it of course...

Workhouses. Top quality idea, Tyson. We could billet the unemployed in the hotels that now stand empty and have them out picking this summer's crop. Longer term we could set up factories adjacent to the hotels and start on-shoring all the work we handed to China.

Scott_xP

rkrkrk said:

If you come up with a workable definition of 'unravel', I'm happy to bet for charity.

I might be wrong, but I think this is a bit like the expenses scandal. People will be incredibly angry at the hypocrisy and optics of it. But it's not going to inspire them to start fiddling their own expenses.

By unravel I mean there will be more people traveling this weekend and visiting relatives, but I don't know how we would measure that.

DougSeal

MikeSmithson said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

That’s because he carried the virus there with him.

BluestBlue

rottenborough said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254210968899584

https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254346075598848

https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254871185829890

I'll eat my hat if this hasn't cut right through to middle england and they are absolutely fucking furious.

They were also furious with the photo of the boy lying on the hospital floor ... for two days, and then they forgot about it. I remain utterly perplexed with the obsession with ephemera on here.

another_richard

Scott_xP said:

rkrkrk said:

If you come up with a workable definition of 'unravel', I'm happy to bet for charity.

I might be wrong, but I think this is a bit like the expenses scandal. People will be incredibly angry at the hypocrisy and optics of it. But it's not going to inspire them to start fiddling their own expenses.

By unravel I mean there will be more people traveling this weekend and visiting relatives, but I don't know how we would measure that.

There was always going to be more people travelling and visiting relatives this weekend.

OllyT

Banterman said:

Nobody in the general public knows who he is. A media bubble story that will go away.

Still, the media are still mad about Brexit, Boris's election victory and the actual departure on January 31st 2020.

it reminds me of how Labour and their media mates attacked Lord Ashcroft in 2010 when as now, its a no name to the vast mass of people

That's a keeper.

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1264262838622830601

CorrectHorseBattery

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/23/new-witnesses-cast-doubt-on-dominic-cummingss-lockdown-claims

CorrectHorseBattery

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-cummings-ignored-coronavirus-lockdown-22075857

The story is unravelling.