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edited May 2020 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » New polling on Cummings finds 62% still saying it’s important

Inevitably when a development is so party political you would expect polling responses to follow a partisan divide. The above table from tonight’s YouGov suggests that is still the case with Cummings and the lockdown but not quite at the scale you would expect.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,360
    First.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,001
    The media needs to get a grip and focus on the important stories.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Maybe the government should get a grip and concentrate on the important issues, third
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    dodradedodrade Posts: 595
    Meg Hillier extremely rude to the PM today, it's to his credit he never reacts to such hostility.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    Hopefully tonight’s headline isn’t going to be politics or disease, but rather one of humanity’s great achievements:

    T minus 48 minutes and counting,,.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjb9FdVdX5I
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    Penny Mordaunt and The Saj are preparing for a the post-BoZo World, which might not be all that far away.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,610
    How to watch Crew Dragon (Space X) fly over the UK:

    https://www.meteorwatch.org/crew-dragon-watch-the-launch-then-see-it-fly-over-uk/
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,182
    EPG said:

    The media needs to get a grip and focus on the important stories.

    Like the trace system that has been rushed out when not ready. Or maybe the bringing forward of shops opening. Or perhaps the news that we can meet in gardens. Or possibly the pubs opening two weeks early?


    Those stories?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,256
    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully tonight’s headline isn’t going to be politics or disease, but rather one of humanity’s great achievements:

    T minus 48 minutes and counting,,.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjb9FdVdX5I

    Due to pass across the UK in the southern sky, west to east, at 9.50pm, should easily be visible with the naked eye.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/hannahITV/status/1265723935020195847
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/lindayueh/status/1265721191928643585
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    They are going to go/nogo due to weather at t-45.00
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/smitharrytv/status/1265705562634891265
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,939
    Ye gods, more on the over-promoted twerp.

    When will we be free of this hell?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,610
    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    The test and trace system looks like a complete disaster.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,263
    Guido after the mirror

    IPSO Receives Multiple Complaints https://order-order.com/2020/05/27/ipso-receives-multiple-complaints/ via @guidofawkes
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Anabobazina said:

    Ye gods, more on the over-promoted twerp.

    When will we be free of this hell?

    I agree. Let's focus on pub reopening! 👍
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,610
    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1265729666108850179?s=20
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    Anabobazina said:

    Ye gods, more on the over-promoted twerp.

    When will we be free of this hell?

    According to my analysis, more quickly for London than elsewhere :) !
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    THey've pulled back the access arm so it's Go for propellant load! So it looks like a weather go. getting excited. I am so sad.
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Scott_xP said:

    Penny Mordaunt and The Saj are preparing for a the post-BoZo World, which might not be all that far away.

    steady boys and girls

    Let him own the economic tsunami ahead.

    February next year?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,018
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1265729666108850179?s=20

    Hair raising...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,941
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1265729666108850179?s=20

    Point of order. If you're in Cornwall or Devon, you need to look North, not South.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,410
    Scott_xP said:

    Penny Mordaunt and The Saj are preparing for a the post-BoZo World, which might not be all that far away.

    Can't remember when ministers started being openly disloyal in the Major years. Was it before the 1997 campaign started?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    what's in a name? The COO of Spacex is Gwynne Shotwell
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/status/1265715314215485441
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,939
    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    😂
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,256
    rcs1000 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1265729666108850179?s=20

    Point of order. If you're in Cornwall or Devon, you need to look North, not South.
    In Devon mostly up
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    edited May 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1265729666108850179?s=20

    Point of order. If you're in Cornwall or Devon, you need to look North, not South.
    Looks like Woolacombe bay is the place to be to watch the launch according to that map.

    Edit: It's going to be scrubbed due to weather sure as Boris can't run the country without Dom.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    If only Dom had travelled into space and not popped down the road to Durham no one would have made a fuss.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,597
    Just thinking....

    How many people will have to come up with a reason of Dom-like far-fetchedness to explain to their partner why they've been instructed to self-isolate?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    edited May 2020
    Tim_B said:

    what's in a name? The COO of Spacex is Gwynne Shotwell

    There was a US politics commentator on the TV earlier called Krystal Ball. Does she know the election result already, or failing that how about next week’s lottery numbers?

    Propellant loading now, looks like a go. T-30’
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    CarlottaVance said:

    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson

    Boris is the monkey, Cummings is the organ grinder.

    I can't imagine Johnson ever imagined being PM was going to result in him being Dom's sub. Humiliating.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,708
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/lindayueh/status/1265721191928643585

    If thats the case then big supermarkets will have to close. By the law of averages shop workers will come near some infected people every day.
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    contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Those space suits look absolutely pants. They look like costumes, and pretty bad ones at that.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/TheSpaceGal/status/1265735183690428421
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1265735272047751168
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    noneoftheabove said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/lindayueh/status/1265721191928643585

    If thats the case then big supermarkets will have to close. By the law of averages shop workers will come near some infected people every day.
    That's more a reflection of how endemic the virus is than any particular problem with track and test.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,708
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    To be world beating at this you need high tech infrastructure, high levels of funding and an authoritarian regime. UAE and Singapore should be the winners.

    No reason at all to expect the UK to be in the top 10.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1265735913843326976
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    Next available launch window is in 71 hours (Saturday evening) if they miss this opportunity due to the weather.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1265729666108850179?s=20

    Point of order. If you're in Cornwall or Devon, you need to look North, not South.
    Straight up for me.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    edited May 2020
    noneoftheabove said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    To be world beating at this you need high tech infrastructure, high levels of funding and an authoritarian regime. UAE and Singapore should be the winners.

    No reason at all to expect the UK to be in the top 10.
    Qatar have messed it up: they went a little too Chinese on the privacy invasion.
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/qatar-virus-tracing-app-stirs-rare-privacy-backlash-1.1024415
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,410
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1265735913843326976

    Story status: Not Yet Dead
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Legendary flight director Gene Krantz -who was at Mission Control for every manned space flight launch except this one - on Fox News now
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,708
    JonathanD said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson

    Boris is the monkey, Cummings is the organ grinder.

    I can't imagine Johnson ever imagined being PM was going to result in him being Dom's sub. Humiliating.
    I like the Orville and Harris comparison myself. Partly as I am sure our PM would loathe to end up being remembered for resembling Orville instead of Churchill.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    This launch, when it happens, will be an achievement for sure.

    But I would place a contribution like Jenner's smallpox vaccine well higher.

    Let us wish success to those boffins currently trying to find a coronavirus vaccine.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265737147295895557
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    CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    Johnson knows his premiership is slowly falling apart
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,134
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    I suspect your idea of world beating works on different criteria to Boris Johnson's shortcomings You might be considering performance, Boris might be considering the most attractive colour scheme for the equipment.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/Astro_Jonny/status/1265650419067428864
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,708
    Sandpit said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    To be world beating at this you need high tech infrastructure, high levels of funding and an authoritarian regime. UAE and Singapore should be the winners.

    No reason at all to expect the UK to be in the top 10.
    Qatar have messed it up: they went a little too Chinese on the privacy invasion.
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/qatar-virus-tracing-app-stirs-rare-privacy-backlash-1.1024415
    I havent actually measured the UAE or Singaporean versions, just saying they have the right toolkit to get to world beating.

    We just dont, and I have no idea why we need to pretend that we do despite all evidence to the contrary.

    The UK govt has been terrible at IT projects for decades, people are less trusting in or willing to accept electronic surveillance and we will probably spend what we do spend on the wrong things.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    Stuartinromford said:

    Story status: Not Yet Dead

    https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1265737798222352384
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265737947015458819
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Johnson knows his premiership is slowly falling apart

    Have you downloaded the track and trace yet? Is it ready?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,597
    JonathanD said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson

    Boris is the monkey, Cummings is the organ grinder.

    I can't imagine Johnson ever imagined being PM was going to result in him being Dom's sub. Humiliating.
    Cumstain is Keith Harris. Bozo is Orville the Duck.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,708
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    In fairness to Hancock, why was he given this additional responsibility when he already had most work and responsibility during the crisis?

    It should have gone to Gove, or another minister who could have made it their priority, not something to spend a bit of time on after fire fighting PPE and care homes for most of the day.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Those kind of importance surveys you should just discard anything below the top category (at least that’s the case with “will probably but” surveys).

    This is just a straight partisan thing at this point. Lab/Lib/Remain at 55 and Tories/Leave at 30.

    (And some of the Tories/Leave are focused on second order impact not the actual event).
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    Scrubola
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265738582926544896
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    noneoftheabove said:

    Sandpit said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    To be world beating at this you need high tech infrastructure, high levels of funding and an authoritarian regime. UAE and Singapore should be the winners.

    No reason at all to expect the UK to be in the top 10.
    Qatar have messed it up: they went a little too Chinese on the privacy invasion.
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/qatar-virus-tracing-app-stirs-rare-privacy-backlash-1.1024415
    I havent actually measured the UAE or Singaporean versions, just saying they have the right toolkit to get to world beating.

    We just dont, and I have no idea why we need to pretend that we do despite all evidence to the contrary.

    The UK govt has been terrible at IT projects for decades, people are less trusting in or willing to accept electronic surveillance and we will probably spend what we do spend on the wrong things.
    I’m in UAE. Lots of testing going on (>30% of population so far) and isolation wards for all positive tests. No app so far.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    Day 6...

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1265739061798604801
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Any polls later? 😈
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    noneoftheabove said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    In fairness to Hancock, why was he given this additional responsibility when he already had most work and responsibility during the crisis?

    It should have gone to Gove, or another minister who could have made it their priority, not something to spend a bit of time on after fire fighting PPE and care homes for most of the day.
    Yes it should have been, but aiui PHE claimed it and so it fell under the DoH. Hancock is too weak to tell the idiots in PHE that they are clueless fucks and that the whole project should be handed over to the private sector under the cabinet office (same as the Nightingale hospitals and Ventilators) with different companies pitching solutions and then the cabinet office/Gove picking the best one.

    Instead the planks from PHE are scared of private sector encroachment in the same way they were for testing so we are where we are.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    Philip_Thompson said:

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    Welcome to the dark side!

    The Government you support so assiduously is fucking this up cos the man at the top is a useless clown.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    @Philip_Thompson - That doesn’t sound good. Do you know if it’s a blanket ban on the county or specific to your daughter’s school?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    That's sad for your daughter but the school had to have plans in place regardless of whether it was ultimately going to be allowed to or not.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    Very sorry to hear this PhilIp. Did they say why they had given this advice?
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,708
    MaxPB said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    In fairness to Hancock, why was he given this additional responsibility when he already had most work and responsibility during the crisis?

    It should have gone to Gove, or another minister who could have made it their priority, not something to spend a bit of time on after fire fighting PPE and care homes for most of the day.
    Yes it should have been, but aiui PHE claimed it and so it fell under the DoH. Hancock is too weak to tell the idiots in PHE that they are clueless fucks and that the whole project should be handed over to the private sector under the cabinet office (same as the Nightingale hospitals and Ventilators) with different companies pitching solutions and then the cabinet office/Gove picking the best one.

    Instead the planks from PHE are scared of private sector encroachment in the same way they were for testing so we are where we are.
    It is the PMs job to decide who does what on such a major issue, not PHE or even Hancocks. It is just bad management to overload your managers in a major crisis when help can be brought in from other people.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/JoeMurphyLondon/status/1265740170348974082
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1265729666108850179?s=20

    Will that only be visible from the South West like that map line? Or will it be visible from the whole country?
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Mexicanpete said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    I suspect your idea of world beating works on different criteria to Boris Johnson's shortcomings You might be considering performance, Boris might be considering the most attractive colour scheme for the equipment.
    Some wonk has calculated that Trump's similar claims (building world-beating walls with Mexico etc.) are an electoral positive.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,256
    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
    Seems like the weather would have been OK ten minutes later, but they couldn't miss their time slot
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    tlg86 said:

    @Philip_Thompson - That doesn’t sound good. Do you know if it’s a blanket ban on the county or specific to your daughter’s school?

    Blanket. Lancashire County Council.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    https://twitter.com/hannahITV/status/1265723935020195847
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    Philip_Thompson said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1265729666108850179?s=20

    Will that only be visible from the South West like that map line? Or will it be visible from the whole country?
    It'll be Saturday, scrubbed today due to weather.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    MaxPB said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    In fairness to Hancock, why was he given this additional responsibility when he already had most work and responsibility during the crisis?

    It should have gone to Gove, or another minister who could have made it their priority, not something to spend a bit of time on after fire fighting PPE and care homes for most of the day.
    Yes it should have been, but aiui PHE claimed it and so it fell under the DoH. Hancock is too weak to tell the idiots in PHE that they are clueless fucks and that the whole project should be handed over to the private sector under the cabinet office (same as the Nightingale hospitals and Ventilators) with different companies pitching solutions and then the cabinet office/Gove picking the best one.

    Instead the planks from PHE are scared of private sector encroachment in the same way they were for testing so we are where we are.
    I’ve been loathe to criticise agencies, given the scale of the pandemic, but PHE are the group who should have been prepared better than anyone - but clearly weren’t and totally messed up. If Hancock hadn’t announced the 100k testing target for April and said that nothing else mattered, they’d still be processing a few hundred here and there,
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,610
    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
    And 50 minutes earlier - so sky over UK will still be quite light.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,256
    Pulpstar said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1265729666108850179?s=20

    Will that only be visible from the South West like that map line? Or will it be visible from the whole country?
    It'll be Saturday, scrubbed today due to weather.
    And visible from the whole country, lower against the horizon as you move up toward Scotland
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,597
    noneoftheabove said:

    JonathanD said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson

    Boris is the monkey, Cummings is the organ grinder.

    I can't imagine Johnson ever imagined being PM was going to result in him being Dom's sub. Humiliating.
    I like the Orville and Harris comparison myself. Partly as I am sure our PM would loathe to end up being remembered for resembling Orville instead of Churchill.
    I should read before I post!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
    Seems like the weather would have been OK ten minutes later, but they couldn't miss their time slot
    I think all ISS missions have an instantaneous window, and all polar missions I think.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    I think there will be a shed load of parents in your daughters class who are really quite relieved they don't have to make this decision for their child.....

    My brother in laws school is trying to open up and the parents are not having it...I think that position is much closer to the centre of gravity whilst 100's are still dying of this disease everyday....


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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,256
    edited May 2020
    CarlottaVance said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
    And 50 minutes earlier - so sky over UK will still be quite light.
    Looking at the sky now, I doubt we would have seen it twenty five minutes ago
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,708
    SandyRentool said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    JonathanD said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson

    Boris is the monkey, Cummings is the organ grinder.

    I can't imagine Johnson ever imagined being PM was going to result in him being Dom's sub. Humiliating.
    I like the Orville and Harris comparison myself. Partly as I am sure our PM would loathe to end up being remembered for resembling Orville instead of Churchill.
    I should read before I post!
    No please spread the message. Make it go viral!
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    tlg86 said:

    @Philip_Thompson - That doesn’t sound good. Do you know if it’s a blanket ban on the county or specific to your daughter’s school?


    It sounds sensible considering we have a clusterfuck governing us....
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,610
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    That's a shame for your daughter - did the school say why the Council had decided that? Have they said when they might open?
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,940
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Johnson knows his premiership is slowly falling apart

    All premierships are slowly falling apart. The Tories will be in power until 2024 at least, making it a solid 14 years. What's your point?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    ydoethur said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    Very sorry to hear this PhilIp. Did they say why they had given this advice?
    They believe only 3 of the 5 government tests have been met. Don't believe Test & Trace is ready, and consequentially don't believe that there won't be a second peak.

    Taken from the document:

    "Locally, we are currently able to meet the requirements of the first three tests; however, we do not meet the requirements for the final two tests. The test and trace programme is not at a state of readiness to respond to Covid-19 community setting outbreaks in a timely manner, which poses a risk to school environments.

    Furthermore, we are not confident that adjustments to the current measures of the lockdown policy will not risk a second peak of infections locally. Consequently, our advice to schools is to not re-open to more pupils on June 1st, but to continue with their current support systems that are in place. The safety and wellbeing of children, their families, and school staff outweigh the benefits of opening schools of 1st June"
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,293
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    Sorry to hear it, Phil. Commisserations to yourself and your daughter.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
    Seems like the weather would have been OK ten minutes later, but they couldn't miss their time slot
    Usually they have a ‘launch window’ of a few minutes, when they can delay for a bit if they need to, but this one was an ‘instantaneous window’, where any delay was automatically a scrubbed attempt.

    Apart from the weather everything else looked good, so they’ll be calling this one a dress rehearsal for Saturday!
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    CarlottaVance said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    That's a shame for your daughter - did the school say why the Council had decided that? Have they said when they might open?
    A hint might be the Govt is fucking incompetent....and you cannot trust anything that comes out of their lying mouths.....

    Other than that...I can't think of what else the council can base their decision on....
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    tyson said:

    tlg86 said:

    @Philip_Thompson - That doesn’t sound good. Do you know if it’s a blanket ban on the county or specific to your daughter’s school?


    It sounds sensible considering we have a clusterfuck governing us....
    Yeah, fuck child mental health.

    Cretin.

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