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  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,557
    Tim_B said:



    On the good side, as of yesterday (June 1) we are now unlocked, open, and unrestrained, with the exception of social distancing. Everything is open.

    Very jealous.

  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,572
    edited June 2020
    Obviously not true.

    However, if he had added "at this point in their first term" it would be.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:

    Joe Biden is a prize wally...

    Joe Biden, the likely Democratic nominee for president, said recently that police could shoot someone in the leg instead of the heart, saying that one is “a very different thing” from the other.

    350 million people and the Americans get to choose between Trump or him. Jesus wept.

    Americans will not vote for a president seen as soft on crime as Michael Dukakis discovered in 1988, if a criminal is armed then they expect police to respond with force
    I think 2020 = 1988 for Biden
    The three things I remember from 1988. Firstly Dukakis in the tank turret. He looked ridiculous. Then Bush calling him a "card carrying member of the ACLU". Finally the Willie Horton ad.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Fishing said:

    Tim_B said:



    On the good side, as of yesterday (June 1) we are now unlocked, open, and unrestrained, with the exception of social distancing. Everything is open.

    Very jealous.

    Not there yet in MD, Tim. All counties except Montgomery (where I am) and Prince Georges now have most things open, restaurants with outdoor seating, hairdressers with limited, appointment only customers. But we're still on essential workers only here.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,585
    Superb article by Anne Applebaum.

    History Will Judge the Complicit
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/trumps-collaborators/612250/
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

    And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842

    Tim_B said:

    Joe Biden is a prize wally...

    Joe Biden, the likely Democratic nominee for president, said recently that police could shoot someone in the leg instead of the heart, saying that one is “a very different thing” from the other.

    350 million people and the Americans get to choose between Trump or him. Jesus wept.

    Speaking of wallys, can we add Bill de Blasio to the list?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8377053/Bill-Blasio-says-didnt-know-daughter-arrested-protests.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490
    The setting of the curfew for 11pm last night was absolutely moronic.
    Cuomo offered De Blasio the national guard (Which De Blasio thought uneccesary) and thought his handling of the crisis has been piss poor. He's stopped short of replacing him, just.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited June 2020
    Keir Starmer has accused Boris Johnson of causing a collapse in public confidence over the government’s handling of the coronavirus crisis, saying No 10 will be directly responsible if the infection rate starts to rise again.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/02/keir-starmer-warns-pm-get-a-grip-or-risk-second-wave-of-coronavirus
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,961
    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Talking yesterday to a chum who is a lifelong enviro-lefty. He really, really dislikes Boris.

    BUT the way in which the Left have tried to twist everything to be negative to the government on Covid has go him seriously riled. He was really ranting about it.

    This in Grimsby, which Labour has to retake if they want to govern again.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,284
    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:
    Totally not a racial superiority cult.
    ... nor woke virtue signalling ...
    At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...
    No, this is mental illness and dangerous.
    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on people's necks is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone gasping for breath and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone say "I can't breathe" and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on someone's neck for eight long minutes until you've snuffed out their life is dangerous.

    Nobody is going to die from virtue signalling. If you think that's dangerous I'm these circumstances you have pretty screwed up priorities.
    You don't kneel to support, you kneel to subordinate.

    I am Jewish. My grandfather escaped the gas chamber twice. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm not going to point out when the same metal illness is spreading.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?
    Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Ave_it said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

    And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

    Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

    If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

    Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Horse racing has returned - it will be interesting to see how betting markets hold up once football returns in the week of Royal Ascot but I suppose the Government thinks those who haven't spent their furlough money at IKEA will gamble it away instead.

    More CSF than MDF presumably...

    On matters boundary, two extra seats for London but where? As East Ham currently has an electorate of 97.000 I wonder if there will be a new seat carved out of bits of the seat.

    The problem is Poplar & Canning Town already has 92,000 electors and West Ham has 98,000 so perhaps a fourth constituency for the area?

    Making.287 000. Meaning 4 at 71 750. A distinct possibility I would say.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,557

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:
    Totally not a racial superiority cult.
    ... nor woke virtue signalling ...
    At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...
    It's harmless if cringeworthy in itself.

    It's when it leads to mistaken government policy or even causes a backlash against what it supports that it can be very damaging.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Talking yesterday to a chum who is a lifelong enviro-lefty. He really, really dislikes Boris.

    BUT the way in which the Left have tried to twist everything to be negative to the government on Covid has go him seriously riled. He was really ranting about it.

    This in Grimsby, which Labour has to retake if they want to govern again.
    I think Lia Nici has a job for life as Grimsby MP if she wants it. Total LAB humiliation in Grimsby 2019. One of the worst LAB individual seat GE outcomes in terms of swing since 1931.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,459
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?
    Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

    Presumably you hold the vast majority of Tory MPs in similar contempt for their parents backgrounds? Or could it be that you just like causing mischief?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059

    HYUFD said:
    Totally not a racial superiority cult.
    People are getting more worked up about this kneeling than they were about the cop kneeling on someone’s neck.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Joe Biden is a prize wally...

    Joe Biden, the likely Democratic nominee for president, said recently that police could shoot someone in the leg instead of the heart, saying that one is “a very different thing” from the other.

    350 million people and the Americans get to choose between Trump or him. Jesus wept.

    Speaking of wallys, can we add Bill de Blasio to the list?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8377053/Bill-Blasio-says-didnt-know-daughter-arrested-protests.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490
    The setting of the curfew for 11pm last night was absolutely moronic.
    Cuomo offered De Blasio the national guard (Which De Blasio thought uneccesary) and thought his handling of the crisis has been piss poor. He's stopped short of replacing him, just.
    Isn't Cuomo equally unimpressed by De Blasio's handling of covid ?
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?
    Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

    Presumably you hold the vast majority of Tory MPs in similar contempt for their parents backgrounds? Or could it be that you just like causing mischief?
    It is just possible that some CON MPs may come from wealthy backgrounds. That may be the case for Boris for instance. But the CON MPs and government are trying to do their best for the country and are not anti-working class like LAB are.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:
    Totally not a racial superiority cult.
    ... nor woke virtue signalling ...
    At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...
    No, this is mental illness and dangerous.
    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on people's necks is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone gasping for breath and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone say "I can't breathe" and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on someone's neck for eight long minutes until you've snuffed out their life is dangerous.

    Nobody is going to die from virtue signalling. If you think that's dangerous I'm these circumstances you have pretty screwed up priorities.
    You don't kneel to support, you kneel to subordinate.

    I am Jewish. My grandfather escaped the gas chamber twice. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm not going to point out when the same metal illness is spreading.
    Bollocks. Kneeling in this context is about respect not subordinating anyone.

    The kneeling symbolism started as a silent peaceful protest and joining in with that is about showing support not subordinating anyone. It takes mental illness to suggest otherwise.

    Kneeling in support of a peaceful protest of state done extra judicial killings is not like the gas chamber.
    Mental illness is having state sponsored enforcement callously and with disregard for humanity terminating the lives of people.

    Seeing someone callously sniff the life of a human is more mentally ill than seeing someone kneel down in support of a protest. If you think otherwise then with all due respect you don't understand the first thing about the concentration camps you referenced.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,010

    Ave_it said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

    And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

    Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

    If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

    Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.
    It's quite crazy. People won't go to the shops if they don't feel safe. If you reduce social distancing, people will feel less safe. Particularly if it raises the level of infection.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047
    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,284
    edited June 2020
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?
    Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

    It wasn't a private school when he passed the 11-plus to get there. Faced with the choice between disrupting his education and paying for him to stay at the school when he was 14 his parents made the same choice most parents would have made.

    Starmer may have many faults but he is clearly a self-made man who has achieved what he has through his own talent and drive.

    In stark contrast to Johnson, for example.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842

    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Joe Biden is a prize wally...

    Joe Biden, the likely Democratic nominee for president, said recently that police could shoot someone in the leg instead of the heart, saying that one is “a very different thing” from the other.

    350 million people and the Americans get to choose between Trump or him. Jesus wept.

    Speaking of wallys, can we add Bill de Blasio to the list?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8377053/Bill-Blasio-says-didnt-know-daughter-arrested-protests.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490
    The setting of the curfew for 11pm last night was absolutely moronic.
    Cuomo offered De Blasio the national guard (Which De Blasio thought uneccesary) and thought his handling of the crisis has been piss poor. He's stopped short of replacing him, just.
    Isn't Cuomo equally unimpressed by De Blasio's handling of covid ?
    I don't know if he is or not. Just caught his presser about the national guard, Trump and De Blasio.
    De Blasio certainly seems woeful on the riots etc so it wouldn't surprise me to learn he's been poor on Covid too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Ever?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,459
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?
    Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

    Presumably you hold the vast majority of Tory MPs in similar contempt for their parents backgrounds? Or could it be that you just like causing mischief?
    It is just possible that some CON MPs may come from wealthy backgrounds. That may be the case for Boris for instance. But the CON MPs and government are trying to do their best for the country and are not anti-working class like LAB are.
    Well then argue about his policies or even his commentary, not his background.

    Personally I find Starmer very grey, it will take a while to form a strong opinion on him either way.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,284

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Bohemian Rhapsody?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Talking yesterday to a chum who is a lifelong enviro-lefty. He really, really dislikes Boris.

    BUT the way in which the Left have tried to twist everything to be negative to the government on Covid has go him seriously riled. He was really ranting about it.

    This in Grimsby, which Labour has to retake if they want to govern again.
    I think Lia Nici has a job for life as Grimsby MP if she wants it. Total LAB humiliation in Grimsby 2019. One of the worst LAB individual seat GE outcomes in terms of swing since 1931.
    Perhaps significantly the 2019 GE result in Grimsby was forewarned by the Conservatives gaining control of the council in the May local elections.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,010

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Moronic. People aren't afraid to go out because of social distancing. They're afraid to go out because of the risk of catching the virus. Social distancing makes it less likely people will catch the virus. Therefore less afraid.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?
    Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

    It wasn't a private school when he passed the 11-plus to get there. Faced with the choice between disrupting his education and paying for him to stay at the school when he was 14 his parents made the same choice most parents would have made.

    Starmer may have many faults but he is clearly a self-made man who has achieved what he has through his own talent and drive.

    In stark contrast to Johnson, for example.
    I disagree that Starmer is 'clearly a self-made man who has achieved what he has through his own talent and drive'. For one thing he has no talent.

    However as a free thinking centrist moderate who welcomes free discussion I respect your views. :lol:
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,756

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:
    Totally not a racial superiority cult.
    ... nor woke virtue signalling ...
    At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...
    No, this is mental illness and dangerous.
    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on people's necks is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone gasping for breath and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone say "I can't breathe" and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on someone's neck for eight long minutes until you've snuffed out their life is dangerous.

    Nobody is going to die from virtue signalling. If you think that's dangerous I'm these circumstances you have pretty screwed up priorities.
    You don't kneel to support, you kneel to subordinate.

    I am Jewish. My grandfather escaped the gas chamber twice. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm not going to point out when the same metal illness is spreading.
    You must deplore this.

    'THE WARSAW GENUFLECTION: WILLY BRANDT’S HISTORIC GESTURE

    After the end of the Second World War, diplomatic relations between West Germany and Poland had ceased. In 1970, German Chancellor Willy Brandt travelled to Warsaw and decided to make a historic gesture: in front of the Monument to the Ghetto Heroes, he dropped to his knees in order to beg forgiveness for the crimes of the Nazi era.'

    https://www.dhm.de/blog/2016/12/07/392/
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,915
    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

    Maybe bring back Ed Balls for LAB GE 2029?
    Yeah I'm sure his parents, a toolmaker and a nurse, were absolutely loaded, with their multi million pound elitist donkey sanctuary.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047
    edited June 2020

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Bohemian Rhapsody?
    That is an excellent one yes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,044

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Blue Monday?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    TimT said:

    Fishing said:

    Tim_B said:



    On the good side, as of yesterday (June 1) we are now unlocked, open, and unrestrained, with the exception of social distancing. Everything is open.

    Very jealous.

    Not there yet in MD, Tim. All counties except Montgomery (where I am) and Prince Georges now have most things open, restaurants with outdoor seating, hairdressers with limited, appointment only customers. But we're still on essential workers only here.
    The mood here is very wary though. Still most wear masks and roads are much less busy than usual.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?
    Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

    Reigate Grammar was voluntary aided when he went there, His dad was a toolmaker. His mother was a nurse. Literally none of what you say is true. What the f**k is a “working class person of the street” anyway?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,234
    You just know this guy plays sink the Bismarck in the bath.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    edited June 2020

    Ave_it said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

    And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

    Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

    If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

    Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.
    That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Stairway to Heaven....
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Chris said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Moronic. People aren't afraid to go out because of social distancing. They're afraid to go out because of the risk of catching the virus. Social distancing makes it less likely people will catch the virus. Therefore less afraid.
    Once people are out and about and deaths are down the distance can be shrank from 2m to 1m.

    Doing it now is premature.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    Am I the only one who finds the argument that people will choose Boris over SKS because the latter is "too posh" faintly ludicrous?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,853
    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:

    Joe Biden is a prize wally...

    Joe Biden, the likely Democratic nominee for president, said recently that police could shoot someone in the leg instead of the heart, saying that one is “a very different thing” from the other.

    350 million people and the Americans get to choose between Trump or him. Jesus wept.

    Americans will not vote for a president seen as soft on crime as Michael Dukakis discovered in 1988, if a criminal is armed then they expect police to respond with force
    I think 2020 = 1988 for Biden
    Then you should think a little better.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Blue Monday?
    Perfect.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited June 2020

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbmS3tQJ7Os
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047

    Stairway to Heaven....

    Excellent, thanks.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,459
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

    And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

    Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

    If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

    Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.
    That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.
    It will happen just at half the pace you are suggesting. Given the CMOs already think we are going too fast, unlikely to be sped up. Seems about right to me, plenty complaining too slow, a few more complaining too fast.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

    Maybe bring back Ed Balls for LAB GE 2029?
    Yeah I'm sure his parents, a toolmaker and a nurse, were absolutely loaded, with their multi million pound elitist donkey sanctuary.
    It was a selective, fee paying donkey sanctuary.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

    And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

    Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

    If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

    Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.
    That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.
    1 month isn't phased. Not when businesses are legally obliged to give notice to their staff too. The decision to shutter would need to be made imminently before seeing if customers return or not.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059
    kinabalu said:

    Ave_it said:

    HYUFD said:

    Joe Biden is a prize wally...

    Joe Biden, the likely Democratic nominee for president, said recently that police could shoot someone in the leg instead of the heart, saying that one is “a very different thing” from the other.

    350 million people and the Americans get to choose between Trump or him. Jesus wept.

    Americans will not vote for a president seen as soft on crime as Michael Dukakis discovered in 1988, if a criminal is armed then they expect police to respond with force
    I think 2020 = 1988 for Biden
    Then you should think a little better.
    He’s not even going to win the nomination? Bold prediction.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,284

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Fishing said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.
    Not only that, but he has an odd inability to take positions on issues. Before the last election, the Brexit policy was maximum fudge. Since then, he and his shadow cabinet has refused lots of opportunities to say what Labour's policy is on vital issues like schools reopening or ending the lockdown. We've no idea what he would have done differently in March.

    He's not a risk-taker - few lawyers are. But if he wants to make headway, he'll need to take some positions on the big issues of the day eventually, unless the Government implodes completely. Being good at PMQs won't be nearly enough.
    Yes absolutely Fishing

    I have commented on here before about his (or his team's) inability to propose any ideas on Covid-19. LAB approach is entirely negative and they remain unfit for government.

    Can you explain your "built on his parents' money" comment. That's his parents the nurse and the toolmaker?
    Yes. Private school. Clearly posh. Not your ordinary working class person of the street.

    Presumably you hold the vast majority of Tory MPs in similar contempt for their parents backgrounds? Or could it be that you just like causing mischief?
    It is just possible that some CON MPs may come from wealthy backgrounds. That may be the case for Boris for instance. But the CON MPs and government are trying to do their best for the country and are not anti-working class like LAB are.
    Well then argue about his policies or even his commentary, not his background.

    Personally I find Starmer very grey, it will take a while to form a strong opinion on him either way.
    Yes that's fair. I'm in the same boat. He does have a track record of achieving though and I have a feeling his forensic approach will help the Opposition do what Oppositions should... hold the Government to account.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,585
    edited June 2020

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:
    Totally not a racial superiority cult.
    ... nor woke virtue signalling ...
    At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...
    No, this is mental illness and dangerous.
    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on people's necks is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone gasping for breath and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone say "I can't breathe" and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on someone's neck for eight long minutes until you've snuffed out their life is dangerous.

    Nobody is going to die from virtue signalling. If you think that's dangerous I'm these circumstances you have pretty screwed up priorities.
    You don't kneel to support, you kneel to subordinate.

    I am Jewish. My grandfather escaped the gas chamber twice. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm not going to point out when the same metal illness is spreading.
    Deeply misguided, IMO.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,926

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:
    Totally not a racial superiority cult.
    ... nor woke virtue signalling ...
    At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...
    No, this is mental illness and dangerous.
    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on people's necks is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone gasping for breath and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone say "I can't breathe" and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on someone's neck for eight long minutes until you've snuffed out their life is dangerous.

    Nobody is going to die from virtue signalling. If you think that's dangerous I'm these circumstances you have pretty screwed up priorities.
    You don't kneel to support, you kneel to subordinate.

    I am Jewish. My grandfather escaped the gas chamber twice. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm not going to point out when the same metal illness is spreading.
    You must deplore this.

    'THE WARSAW GENUFLECTION: WILLY BRANDT’S HISTORIC GESTURE

    After the end of the Second World War, diplomatic relations between West Germany and Poland had ceased. In 1970, German Chancellor Willy Brandt travelled to Warsaw and decided to make a historic gesture: in front of the Monument to the Ghetto Heroes, he dropped to his knees in order to beg forgiveness for the crimes of the Nazi era.'

    https://www.dhm.de/blog/2016/12/07/392/
    @brokenwheel is probably old enough to remember this:

    The incident that set off the 1991 Crown Heights riots was easy to pinpoint: on Aug. 19, a car driven by a Hasidic Jew hit and killed a young black child. As a private ambulance took the driver away from the scene and emergency responders worked to free the victim and another child pinned under the car, the area’s black and Jewish residents–who had long been tense neighbors–erupted in anger. As TIME later noted, the result was the worst episode of racial violence in New York City city since 1968, after the death of Martin Luther King.
    https://time.com/3989495/crown-heights-riots-time-magazine-history/
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:
    Totally not a racial superiority cult.
    ... nor woke virtue signalling ...
    At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...
    No, this is mental illness and dangerous.
    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on people's necks is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone gasping for breath and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone say "I can't breathe" and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on someone's neck for eight long minutes until you've snuffed out their life is dangerous.

    Nobody is going to die from virtue signalling. If you think that's dangerous I'm these circumstances you have pretty screwed up priorities.
    You don't kneel to support, you kneel to subordinate.

    I am Jewish. My grandfather escaped the gas chamber twice. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm not going to point out when the same metal illness is spreading.
    You must deplore this.

    'THE WARSAW GENUFLECTION: WILLY BRANDT’S HISTORIC GESTURE

    After the end of the Second World War, diplomatic relations between West Germany and Poland had ceased. In 1970, German Chancellor Willy Brandt travelled to Warsaw and decided to make a historic gesture: in front of the Monument to the Ghetto Heroes, he dropped to his knees in order to beg forgiveness for the crimes of the Nazi era.'

    https://www.dhm.de/blog/2016/12/07/392/
    Yes.

    Secondly, it didn't take me long to work out you were an antisemite so piss off and vandalise some Jewish cemetery or something. You aren't going to wash away your sins by screaming racist at anyone else.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,756

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Free Bird.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

    And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

    Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

    If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

    Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.
    That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.
    45 days notice for redundancy?
    Most people are willing to give more than 2 metres.
    And since there is a minority who seem to find 2 cm onerous when it might inconvenience them for a few moments. Not sure a change in the distance regs would have much effect.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,557



    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?

    Yes I agree with all that. The government did much too good a job in frightening everybody in March, whereas it should have concentrated on telling people about the huge differences in the disease for different age groups, obesity levels and so on.

    And shutting schools was a disastrous mistake, given the total lack of evidence that children play more than a minimal role in spreading the virus, and seem to suffer from it much less than normal flu.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Free Bird.

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Free Bird.
    Good one, ta.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Free Bird.
    If you think the intro is long and distinctive how would you describe the outro ?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,756

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:
    Totally not a racial superiority cult.
    ... nor woke virtue signalling ...
    At times like this there are worse things in life than virtue signalling ...
    No, this is mental illness and dangerous.
    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on people's necks is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone gasping for breath and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Hearing someone say "I can't breathe" and continuing to kneel on their neck is dangerous.

    Kneeling down to signal support isn't dangerous.
    Kneeling on someone's neck for eight long minutes until you've snuffed out their life is dangerous.

    Nobody is going to die from virtue signalling. If you think that's dangerous I'm these circumstances you have pretty screwed up priorities.
    You don't kneel to support, you kneel to subordinate.

    I am Jewish. My grandfather escaped the gas chamber twice. You can go fuck yourself if you think I'm not going to point out when the same metal illness is spreading.
    You must deplore this.

    'THE WARSAW GENUFLECTION: WILLY BRANDT’S HISTORIC GESTURE

    After the end of the Second World War, diplomatic relations between West Germany and Poland had ceased. In 1970, German Chancellor Willy Brandt travelled to Warsaw and decided to make a historic gesture: in front of the Monument to the Ghetto Heroes, he dropped to his knees in order to beg forgiveness for the crimes of the Nazi era.'

    https://www.dhm.de/blog/2016/12/07/392/
    Yes.

    Secondly, it didn't take me long to work out you were an antisemite so piss off and vandalise some Jewish cemetery or something. You aren't going to wash away your sins by screaming racist at anyone else.
    I've worked out you're a hysterical fckng idiot, so I guess we're about even.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,585
    dixiedean said:

    Am I the only one who finds the argument that people will choose Boris over SKS because the latter is "too posh" faintly ludicrous?

    That’s an argument ?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Light my fire.
    Whiter Shade of Pale.
    Like a Prayer.
    How Soon is Now.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,915

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Stairway to Heaven. Killing in the Name. What Time is Love.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,557
    edited June 2020

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Blue Monday?
    Sweet Child O'Mine?

    California Dreamin'
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,044
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

    And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

    Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

    If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

    Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.
    That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.
    1 month isn't phased. Not when businesses are legally obliged to give notice to their staff too. The decision to shutter would need to be made imminently before seeing if customers return or not.
    This would imply that the business isn't viable in any case if they were thinking of closing - so why should it be kept going for £2,500pm furlough per employee?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Like a rolling stone....
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Chris said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Moronic. People aren't afraid to go out because of social distancing. They're afraid to go out because of the risk of catching the virus. Social distancing makes it less likely people will catch the virus. Therefore less afraid.
    I suggested three possible reasons why a rapid economic rebound might be unlikely, the last of which was widespread public fear of the virus. At no point did I claim that people were afraid to go out because of social distancing.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047
    dixiedean said:

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Light my fire.
    Whiter Shade of Pale.
    Like a Prayer.
    How Soon is Now.
    Good selection. Had Whiter Shade of Pale.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,234

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    'Won't get Fooled Again'.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Stairway to Heaven. Killing in the Name. What Time is Love.
    Ta! :)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

    And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

    Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

    If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

    Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.
    That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.
    1 month isn't phased. Not when businesses are legally obliged to give notice to their staff too. The decision to shutter would need to be made imminently before seeing if customers return or not.
    This would imply that the business isn't viable in any case if they were thinking of closing - so why should it be kept going for £2,500pm furlough per employee?
    The business might be viable if it can transition back to normal, it might not be viable if it's pushed out all at once before customers are back to normal.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,284

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

    Maybe bring back Ed Balls for LAB GE 2029?
    Yeah I'm sure his parents, a toolmaker and a nurse, were absolutely loaded, with their multi million pound elitist donkey sanctuary.
    It was a selective, fee paying donkey sanctuary.
    I think you'll find all the donkeys went to Eton.

    And now we are led by them.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    dixiedean said:

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Light my fire.
    Whiter Shade of Pale.
    Like a Prayer.
    How Soon is Now.
    Fools Gold too.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    Judging by the "shoot them in the leg" comments it's a fair charge that Biden knows neither the question nor the answer. Whether Trump knows is also debateable. Truly Sophie's choice.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,915

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

    Maybe bring back Ed Balls for LAB GE 2029?
    Yeah I'm sure his parents, a toolmaker and a nurse, were absolutely loaded, with their multi million pound elitist donkey sanctuary.
    It was a selective, fee paying donkey sanctuary.
    Yeah you had to be a braying toff to get in.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    I see it is all calm & reason in here tonight...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047
    Fishing said:

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Blue Monday?
    Sweet Child O'Mine?

    California Dreamin'
    Thanks!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    Stairway to Heaven....

    Excellent, thanks.
    Not particularly long, but very distinctive - Money, Pink Floyd
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    TimT said:

    Stairway to Heaven....

    Excellent, thanks.
    Not particularly long, but very distinctive - Money, Pink Floyd
    Particularly distinctive in rock music as it is in ⅞ time
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,853
    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

    Maybe bring back Ed Balls for LAB GE 2029?
    Built on his parents' money?

    You sound misguided at best.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    MaxPB said:

    I already get a sense that the economy isn't as bad as it was last month and I'm optimistic that by July most sectors will be back to almost full strength.

    You have got to be kidding? As long as the 2m rule is in place, the schools can't function at any more than a fraction of capacity and half the population is too afraid to go outside unless compelled to do so, then things are not going to get substantially better.

    The retail sector is about to be decimated: measures like lengthy queues for every shop and the closure of fitting rooms will erase physical retail's advantages over online. Most pubs, bars and nightclubs are done for. The bulk of the non-takeaway restaurants can't survive either with most of their tables missing or by forcing their clientele to sit in perspex cells. The performance arts, along with any professional sports that are reliant on gate revenues, are finished.

    Over the Summer, and certainly once we get into September and we see both the winding up of the furlough scheme and a tsunami wave of redundancies for working parents on top of that, we are looking at mass unemployment. Unless the bulk of the social distancing measures are dumped and most people feel reassured that it is safe to go out - and there's no sign of either of those conditions being achieved any time soon - then how can it be otherwise?
    Time to go down to 1m as soon as possible. It's the WHO guidance! This will help all business and get people back to work. Boris needs to say 1m now, everything open from 1 July and stop the furlough from 1 August.

    And then as soon as we can, scrap social distancing.

    Why scrap the furlough prematurely? That's madness.

    If the furlough is scrapped prematurely then businesses will shutter for good and sack their staff. There needs to be a phased return to work as Sunak wisely signalled in which case hopefully as much of the economy as possible can survive.

    Even if you dropped to 1m now it will take time before customers return to normal. So it will take time to unwind furlough without devastation.
    That's why I am saying: go down to 1m now, give business 1 month to prepare (1 July) and then stop the furlough (1 August). So a phased approach.
    1 month isn't phased. Not when businesses are legally obliged to give notice to their staff too. The decision to shutter would need to be made imminently before seeing if customers return or not.
    This would imply that the business isn't viable in any case if they were thinking of closing - so why should it be kept going for £2,500pm furlough per employee?
    The business might be viable if it can transition back to normal, it might not be viable if it's pushed out all at once before customers are back to normal.
    OK I think it's simply a difference of opinion between us on the timing of ending the furlough. I want to keep the viable businesses going but don't want furlough to act as a very expensive welfare in respect of those businesses which are not viable and which probably wouldn't be even if we didn't have COVID.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,044
    Oh... what have we here? A kite that appears to be airborne?

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1267918785773740032/photo/1
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    Dire Straits - Money for nothing
    The mighty Maiden - Fear of the Dark;
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,926
    TimT said:

    Stairway to Heaven....

    Excellent, thanks.
    Not particularly long, but very distinctive - Money, Pink Floyd
    People Are People
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited June 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    Dire Straits - Money for nothing
    The mighty Maiden - Fear of the Dark;

    I think you could probably pick any maiden song :-)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,284
    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    Stairway to Heaven....

    Excellent, thanks.
    Not particularly long, but very distinctive - Money, Pink Floyd
    Particularly distinctive in rock music as it is in ⅞ time
    Money is a good one.

    But I've got those cash registers jangling in my ear now you've mentioned it and I don't think they are going to stop any time soon :disappointed:
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited June 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:



    Wales will lose 8 seats - probably 1 Plaid 3 or 4 Labour and 4 or 3 Conservativej

    Plaid will be pretty lucky if they only end up losing one seat. Assuming Preseli Pembrokeshire and Ceredigion are combined, and east and west Carmarthenshire, that’s two seats the Conservatives would start with pretty comfortable nominal holds in.
    Not convinced that would prove to be true in reality. Preseli Pembrokeshire and Cardigan have both been Labour-held within living memory. For many years Cardigan was largely a Liberal - Labour contest with Plaid and the Tories becoming more competive from 1979. Preseli Pembrokeshire remains a Tory- Labour marginal with other parties not being competitive. In the context of a combined seat, much of the Plaid vote in Ceredigion could switch tactically to Labour.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/1267870995014209536

    The first tweet back says he was a "career criminal".

    Incredible.

    Norman Stanley Fletcher would have been sat on while he died of lack of air under that view of the world.

    Thing is, they are going to throw the book at this guy, rightly, for what he has done.

    Due process will take its course and he will be severely punished, as he should be.

    And if there hadn't been someone filming the whole thing he would have gotten away with it.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Can anyone think of any popular pop songs with long and distinctive intros? Zoom quiz round research again. I'll owe you.

    Paradise by the dashboard light?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    Satisfaction. Not long but very distinctive. :wink:
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    kinabalu said:

    Ave_it said:

    Sir Keir Starmer is a complete shit

    Indeed.

    His attempts to score political points over care homes etc have been disgusting. Corbyn was more of a statesman over CV19 than Starmer and that says something.
    I think the shine is coming off Keir somewhat. Another north London metropolitan socialist, built on his parents' money, absolutely hates working class people! No wonder Boris is still 10% clear.

    Maybe bring back Ed Balls for LAB GE 2029?
    Built on his parents' money?

    You sound misguided at best.
    I am clear and right as ever. Stick with Boris. You know it makes sense.
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