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  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
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  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,191
    Murray hasn't done himself any favours by:

    a) staying in the US (forgiveable)
    b) turning up late for the video link (disrespectful)

    But will he be punished by the GBP?
  • It should be Murray, IMHO.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Murray hasn't done himself any favours by:

    a) staying in the US (forgiveable)
    b) turning up late for the video link (disrespectful)

    But will he be punished by the GBP?

    Unless the shower delay is a decoy for a surprise appearance in Leeds to receive the award.

    I have my suspicions.

  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,777
    edited December 2013
    Farah hasn't helped himself by not turing up either.

    My prediction of the outcome

    1. Murray
    2. Farah
    3. Ainslie
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 755
    FPT

    I think that's how you announce it
    notme said:

    Monkeys said:



    >immigrants
    >non-white British

    Pick One.


    I dont need to. Non white British are only here because of immigration. You cannot say that immigration is a success, when those who have immigrated from other parts of the world and settled are twice as likely to be poor, two and half times as likely to be unemployed and three times as likely to be in jail.
    Everyone is only here because of immigration, if you want to play that game. If you start allowing for British Immigrants it gets impossibly muddy. Third generation, and you're not British? Fourth generation? But everyone who is White, 2nd Generation, counts as British? It's not as if all the White British aren't immigrants, by your standard.

    I propose a simple measure: Immigrants are foreign-born. Nice and clean, but it doesn't support your equivocation.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650
    Murray ofcourse!

    Marf-lol
  • If Murray didn't win, the odds on Scotland leaving the UK would drop as Scots would be rather annoyed.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Coral: Complete fix that Moyes hasn't be nominated for Coach of the Year. Rival supporters must have voted in their droves.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    If Murray didn't win, the odds on Scotland leaving the UK would drop as Scots would be rather annoyed.

    @Jamie4Labour: Rumours of a balloon hovering over North London carrying Alex Salmond and a Saltire are obviously exaggerated. #BBCSPOTY
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    @Marf

    I like the McDonalds logo...
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    surbiton said:

    The Muslim and Black/Asian are interesting. If you go to deepest shires, you are bound to hear things like, "you cannot walk the streets because of those blacks" when there isn't one probably in a radius of 15 miles.

    Bound to? I haven't ever heard things like that, even when visiting my sister in bumpkinland.
  • Scott_P said:

    If Murray didn't win, the odds on Scotland leaving the UK would drop as Scots would be rather annoyed.

    @Jamie4Labour: Rumours of a balloon hovering over North London carrying Alex Salmond and a Saltire are obviously exaggerated. #BBCSPOTY
    Alec Salmond, our beloved FM doesn't need a balloon, he's been floating in his own little cloud for years.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    1.Murray. 2. Froome. 3. Ainslie.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Lucian Froome is Kenyan born so not really English either
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517
    Scott_P said:

    If Murray didn't win, the odds on Scotland leaving the UK would drop as Scots would be rather annoyed.

    @Jamie4Labour: Rumours of a balloon hovering over North London carrying Alex Salmond and a Saltire are obviously exaggerated. #BBCSPOTY
    Isn't SPOTY being held in Leeds this year? Or have I, as usual, go the wrong end of the stick?

    I've just spent the day in the Winter Wonderland in Hyde Park, with my best friend and his six-year old daughter. It was packed. At least more than the one in Milton Keynes ...

    The daughter was buzzing at the end. I was just knackered.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-25390071
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,191
    Glad AP got third. If you're not into racing you may not realise what a phenomenal rider and competitor he is. We'll never see his like again.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,281
    Halfpenny was matched at 34 when market closed for "Winner without Murray"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Well Murray wins, no boost for nationalists!
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,191
    Are they going to throw him in the pool?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited December 2013
    Awesome Marf - Looks like AveryLP in a onesie...! : )
  • Scott_P said:

    If Murray didn't win, the odds on Scotland leaving the UK would drop as Scots would be rather annoyed.

    @Jamie4Labour: Rumours of a balloon hovering over North London carrying Alex Salmond and a Saltire are obviously exaggerated. #BBCSPOTY
    Isn't SPOTY being held in Leeds this year?

    Lol.

    SLab can't even get their 'hilarious' tweets right.

  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790

    Murray hasn't done himself any favours by:

    a) staying in the US (forgiveable)
    b) turning up late for the video link (disrespectful)

    But will he be punished by the GBP?

    Heaven forbid that doing sporting activities overseas should be more important than travelling to collect awards
  • Nice cartoon Marf!

    And congrats to Andy Murray!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Huge cheers for Murray in the hall. Well done Andy

    Great show from Aunty.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Just hope the bbc have 2 Sports Personality of the Year trophies ;-) murray given trophy in America and the british public asked to vote for the winner on the night of the show.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,281

    Are they going to throw him in the pool?

    Exactly what I thought when they came up behind him!

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Awesome Marf - Looks like AveryLP in a onesie...! : )

    At least the BBC didn't give SPOTY to Madiba.

    Then I would have worn a onesie.

  • Well that was such a shock we had the stories written. Would have had to have been a hasty rewrite if something mad had happened.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Curiously enough (or not) when I asked myself the questions in the quiz on the previous thread, I got quite a few answers which were on the opposite side of the correct answer from the majority. For example, I thought the unemployed total was 2.5m which I translated as 4 out of 100. the correct answer is given as 8.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    John Loony Looks like he made the right call, he still wins SPOTY plus gets a nice paycheque from the tournament while spending much of December in a plush hotel in the rather more sunny and warm Miami
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited December 2013
    AveryLP said:

    Awesome Marf - Looks like AveryLP in a onesie...! : )

    At least the BBC didn't give SPOTY to Madiba.

    Then I would have worn a onesie.

    Arf. - No doubt they considered Mandela, but even they thought it a hop & a skip too far.

    Murray - good choice imho - after winning Wimbledon, how could it have been anyone else!

    Well done to the young Scottish fellow.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Why is MK the abbreviation for Umkhonto we Sizwe? Why not UwS? Spear of the Nation? Which nation? Cornwall? Amandla!
  • Pulpstar said:

    Fucks sake Did the Welsh and the Scots jam the phone lines for SPOTY ? Laid halfpenny for top 3... Does noone like Mo Farah :S ;/

    Nobody gives a flying fck about athletics unless its the Olympics or we have a paucity of sports stars. At the moment, Britain has a lot of top sportspeople (and some bloody awful cricketers)
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,263
    edited December 2013
    O/T: curious story of Cliff Richards vs the socialist song-writer. (I unfashionably quite like Cliff so I'm not sure which side I'm on.)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25333691
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    The worst part is the telegraph announced it as Chris Froome.. as a joke. That was my best result !
  • O/T: curious story of Cliff Richards vs the socialist song-writer. (I unfashionably quite like Cliff so I'm not sure which side I'm on.)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25333691

    I've been to a Sir Cliff concert.

    I'm not a fan.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    O/T: curious story of Cliff Richards vs the socialist song-writer. (I unfashionably quite like Cliff so I'm not sure which side I'm on.)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25333691

    I've been to a Sir Cliff concert.

    I'm not a fan.
    You were a bouncer ?!?

  • Can you believe it, as a strong advocate for gay marriage, two of my Gay friends have announced they'd like to get married next May, on their 5th anniversary of being a couple.

    The date they've picked is the same day/evening as The Eurovision Song Contest.

    Grrr@ Gay Marriage, I've not missed a Eurovision song contest since 1994
  • JackW said:

    O/T: curious story of Cliff Richards vs the socialist song-writer. (I unfashionably quite like Cliff so I'm not sure which side I'm on.)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25333691

    I've been to a Sir Cliff concert.

    I'm not a fan.
    You were a bouncer ?!?

    No, I took my friend and her mum, her Mum's a big fan of Sir Cliff.

    The warm up band were pretty good.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I see the Socialist songwriters biggest income is from who wants to be a millionaire- a toch of irony there!


    O/T: curious story of Cliff Richards vs the socialist song-writer. (I unfashionably quite like Cliff so I'm not sure which side I'm on.)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25333691

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    O/T: curious story of Cliff Richards vs the socialist song-writer. (I unfashionably quite like Cliff so I'm not sure which side I'm on.)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25333691

    I've been to a Sir Cliff concert.

    I'm not a fan.
    You were a bouncer ?!?

    No, I took my friend and her mum, her Mum's a big fan of Sir Cliff.

    The warm up band were pretty good.
    Yes I understand Herman's Hermits were quite big in the 60's !!

  • JackW said:

    JackW said:

    O/T: curious story of Cliff Richards vs the socialist song-writer. (I unfashionably quite like Cliff so I'm not sure which side I'm on.)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25333691

    I've been to a Sir Cliff concert.

    I'm not a fan.
    You were a bouncer ?!?

    No, I took my friend and her mum, her Mum's a big fan of Sir Cliff.

    The warm up band were pretty good.
    Yes I understand Herman's Hermits were quite big in the 60's !!

    It was a band called Amici Forever.
  • Chile presidential run off
    http://www.eleccionservel.cl/ELECCIONES2013/vistaPaisSegundaVuelta

    With 96% counted, Michelle Bachelet has won. She leads with 62.2% of the vote.
  • Can you believe it, as a strong advocate for gay marriage, two of my Gay friends have announced they'd like to get married next May, on their 5th anniversary of being a couple.

    The date they've picked is the same day/evening as The Eurovision Song Contest.

    Grrr@ Gay Marriage, I've not missed a Eurovision song contest since 1994

    That sounds like my sports mad friend picking London 2012 Super Saturday for his wedding.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    O/T: curious story of Cliff Richards vs the socialist song-writer. (I unfashionably quite like Cliff so I'm not sure which side I'm on.)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25333691

    I've been to a Sir Cliff concert.

    I'm not a fan.
    You were a bouncer ?!?

    No, I took my friend and her mum, her Mum's a big fan of Sir Cliff.

    The warm up band were pretty good.
    Yes I understand Herman's Hermits were quite big in the 60's !!

    It was a band called Amici Forever.
    Ah .... didn't they have a top 50 hit in 1961 ??

  • Can you believe it, as a strong advocate for gay marriage, two of my Gay friends have announced they'd like to get married next May, on their 5th anniversary of being a couple.

    The date they've picked is the same day/evening as The Eurovision Song Contest.

    Grrr@ Gay Marriage, I've not missed a Eurovision song contest since 1994

    What do you think the evening's entertainment will be?


  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,753
    Good show for SPOTY although it could never reach last year's heights, the greatest year of British sport we will ever see.

    And now when I wake up the Ashes will be gone. They may be some time coming back. This team looks finished.Bit like Spurs really. Hey ho.
  • Can you believe it, as a strong advocate for gay marriage, two of my Gay friends have announced they'd like to get married next May, on their 5th anniversary of being a couple.

    The date they've picked is the same day/evening as The Eurovision Song Contest.

    Grrr@ Gay Marriage, I've not missed a Eurovision song contest since 1994

    That sounds like my sports mad friend picking London 2012 Super Saturday for his wedding.
    Why are we friends with people like this?
  • JackW said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    O/T: curious story of Cliff Richards vs the socialist song-writer. (I unfashionably quite like Cliff so I'm not sure which side I'm on.)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25333691

    I've been to a Sir Cliff concert.

    I'm not a fan.
    You were a bouncer ?!?

    No, I took my friend and her mum, her Mum's a big fan of Sir Cliff.

    The warm up band were pretty good.
    Yes I understand Herman's Hermits were quite big in the 60's !!

    It was a band called Amici Forever.
    Ah .... didn't they have a top 50 hit in 1961 ??

    Bah, this was 2004
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    DavidL said:

    Good show for SPOTY although it could never reach last year's heights, the greatest year of British sport we will ever see.

    And now when I wake up the Ashes will be gone. They may be some time coming back. This team looks finished.Bit like Spurs really. Hey ho.

    You mean we'll lose the Ashes 5:0 too !!

  • DavidL said:

    Good show for SPOTY although it could never reach last year's heights, the greatest year of British sport we will ever see.

    And now when I wake up the Ashes will be gone. They may be some time coming back. This team looks finished.Bit like Spurs really. Hey ho.

    I am quite hopeful that we will have a new team in the period between now and the next Ashes. This lot seem to be on their way out quite rapidly.

    I'm actually hopping mad with the selectors putting so much faith in Prior that they didn't take another Keeper they would ever hand the gloves to. He's completely shot.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    DavidL said:


    And now when I wake up the Ashes will be gone. They may be some time coming back. This team looks finished.Bit like Spurs really. Hey ho.

    I think they'll be back soon enough. The team are playing like absolute sh*te at the moment, but there's enough quality in there that this series has been a complete surprise, given at worst on paper the teams are evenly matched. They need to go old school and restore some pride in the final two matches, but three series' wins in a row was a good run, and from all I had to endure growing up, it would probably take losing three in a row before I actually got depressed about England as a team again.

  • Can you believe it, as a strong advocate for gay marriage, two of my Gay friends have announced they'd like to get married next May, on their 5th anniversary of being a couple.

    The date they've picked is the same day/evening as The Eurovision Song Contest.

    Grrr@ Gay Marriage, I've not missed a Eurovision song contest since 1994

    What do you think the evening's entertainment will be?


    Not that.

    Even gay people are embarrassed by my musical tastes.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,753

    Chile presidential run off
    http://www.eleccionservel.cl/ELECCIONES2013/vistaPaisSegundaVuelta

    With 96% counted, Michelle Bachelet has won. She leads with 62.2% of the vote.

    Is that the one whose father was tortured or the one whose father betrayed his friend? Guessing the former.
  • DavidL said:

    Good show for SPOTY although it could never reach last year's heights, the greatest year of British sport we will ever see.

    And now when I wake up the Ashes will be gone. They may be some time coming back. This team looks finished.Bit like Spurs really. Hey ho.

    I am quite hopeful that we will have a new team in the period between now and the next Ashes. This lot seem to be on their way out quite rapidly.

    I'm actually hopping mad with the selectors putting so much faith in Prior that they didn't take another Keeper they would ever hand the gloves to. He's completely shot.
    Our performances are like being back in the 90s.

    All we need now is one cap wonders, and every debutant being hyped as the new xxx

    Who can forget Mark Lathwell being hyped as elegant as David Gower, or Gavin Hamilton as the new Botham or Jason Gallian as the new Gooch.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    Pulpstar said:

    Fucks sake Did the Welsh and the Scots jam the phone lines for SPOTY ? Laid halfpenny for top 3... Does noone like Mo Farah :S ;/

    Nobody gives a flying fck about athletics unless its the Olympics or we have a paucity of sports stars. At the moment, Britain has a lot of top sportspeople (and some bloody awful cricketers)
    Temporarily awful cricketers, but the general point seems fair.

    I always think those that make the tired joke about how peope only care about the Olympic sports every four years, hardy ha, are missing the point, intentionally or otherwise, in that the fact people don't care about it between Olympics is the main reason we care so much about the competition when it does roll around. It's things and people we don't normally get to see or cheer on, many of whom are closer to being ordinary people than the typical sports star. It's one reason why there is some dissonance in having the Tennis pros there - I recall the opening athlete presentation at Bejing the cameras continually focused on the Tennis stars, because unlike most of the other competitors, they are world renowned figures.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,753

    DavidL said:

    Good show for SPOTY although it could never reach last year's heights, the greatest year of British sport we will ever see.

    And now when I wake up the Ashes will be gone. They may be some time coming back. This team looks finished.Bit like Spurs really. Hey ho.

    I am quite hopeful that we will have a new team in the period between now and the next Ashes. This lot seem to be on their way out quite rapidly.

    I'm actually hopping mad with the selectors putting so much faith in Prior that they didn't take another Keeper they would ever hand the gloves to. He's completely shot.
    Bairstow? I thought he was the future in that position. In fairness Prior has been brilliant for England but the collapse has been sudden and total.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Since about 2000 we have enjoyed a surfeit of sporting success

    When you think of some of the ropey old winners of the past and consider that a man who won the Tour de France did not even make the top 3 this evening, it shows how far we have come in the world of sport in the last fifteen or so years.

  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,777
    edited December 2013
    May I compliment the team who run this site.

    Eagle-eyed readers can sometimes spot a bit of betting value if they take the trouble to sift though the various threads.

    I was particularly impressed by this post copied from yesterday.

    stjohn

    December 14 edited December 14

    I'm surprised how well Farah has done in that Opinium poll.

    Here are two newspaper polls.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/sports-personality-of-the-year/10476288/Poll-Andy-Murray-is-favourite-to-be-named-Sports-Personality-of-the-Year-but-who-gets-your-vote.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/poll/2013/dec/12/bbc-sports-personality-year-award-2013-poll

    I backed Murray before Wimbledon to win SPOTY so I already have sizeable net winnings on this year's event having been paid out by Ladbrokes and having cashed in on Betfair.

    Since then I backed Ainslie on the back of the America's Cup win but that achievement hasn't really made a splash and I think the bet is sunk.

    I've had a small bet on Froome too but the wheels seem to have come off his chances of winning as he doesn't seem that popular and lots of people seem to be fed up of cyclists winning.

    I probably should have jumped onto McCoy for SPOTYdom when he won his 4000th race and was value for this.

    So I've had one final Try to make some more money from SPOTY. For two farthings I think Leigh Halfpenny could convert his Welsh SPOTY win into a podium place in tomorrow night's SPOTY. He does very well in the Telegraph poll and with Murray not turning up he may benefit from an anti-Scots vote as well as having the built in support of all of Wales and all British Lions Rugby fans.

    The Opinium poll has dented my enthusiasm for his chances but I've had £5 on him to win at 999/1 on Betfair and I've backed him to win without Murray at 19/1 and to be in the top 3 at 4/1.
  • Congrats to Murray...and well done to Halfpenny...rugby's never really got the plaudits at SPOTY barring one or two occasions which is odd considering the popularity of the sport. Think he got so many votes because he's a player it's impossible to truly hate, even if you support his opponents. Littlest man on the field...but probably the bravest too.
  • On the subject of the cartoon, in a very few years we will have no one alive who has walked on the moon. Not so much of a giant leap after all.
  • DavidL said:

    Good show for SPOTY although it could never reach last year's heights, the greatest year of British sport we will ever see.

    And now when I wake up the Ashes will be gone. They may be some time coming back. This team looks finished.Bit like Spurs really. Hey ho.

    I am quite hopeful that we will have a new team in the period between now and the next Ashes. This lot seem to be on their way out quite rapidly.

    I'm actually hopping mad with the selectors putting so much faith in Prior that they didn't take another Keeper they would ever hand the gloves to. He's completely shot.
    Our performances are like being back in the 90s.

    All we need now is one cap wonders, and every debutant being hyped as the new xxx

    Who can forget Mark Lathwell being hyped as elegant as David Gower, or Gavin Hamilton as the new Botham or Jason Gallian as the new Gooch.
    Stop it. Even Gavin Hamilton's mum didn't think he was the new Botham.
  • And Marf, why are you bored?
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Good show for SPOTY although it could never reach last year's heights, the greatest year of British sport we will ever see.

    And now when I wake up the Ashes will be gone. They may be some time coming back. This team looks finished.Bit like Spurs really. Hey ho.

    I am quite hopeful that we will have a new team in the period between now and the next Ashes. This lot seem to be on their way out quite rapidly.

    I'm actually hopping mad with the selectors putting so much faith in Prior that they didn't take another Keeper they would ever hand the gloves to. He's completely shot.
    Bairstow? I thought he was the future in that position. In fairness Prior has been brilliant for England but the collapse has been sudden and total.
    Last night he was simply embarrassing. When the keeper has gone, the team is fooked.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Aye. To put it in four words: 1997 SPOTY? - Greg Rusedski.

    Do you reckon there's a p8ss up after SPOTY? If so, I bet that's a good do.

    Large number of fit young things of both sexes about the place....mucho copping off....??
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    Monkeys said:

    FPT

    I think that's how you announce it

    notme said:

    Monkeys said:



    >immigrants
    >non-white British

    Pick One.


    I dont need to. Non white British are only here because of immigration. You cannot say that immigration is a success, when those who have immigrated from other parts of the world and settled are twice as likely to be poor, two and half times as likely to be unemployed and three times as likely to be in jail.
    Everyone is only here because of immigration, if you want to play that game. If you start allowing for British Immigrants it gets impossibly muddy. Third generation, and you're not British? Fourth generation? But everyone who is White, 2nd Generation, counts as British? It's not as if all the White British aren't immigrants, by your standard.

    I propose a simple measure: Immigrants are foreign-born. Nice and clean, but it doesn't support your equivocation.

    As I disclosed a few threads ago, I am Italian.

    When challenged to 'get back from where I came from, you don't belong here' I point out that my race has been here longer than the English. Confused? Well, Britain was part of the Roman Empire!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    David L Yes, Bachelet is the centre-left candidate whose father was tortured by Pinochet

    SeanT The soccer team suffers from the fact it is the main sport for most countries in the world, thus it has more competition than the cricket and rugby teams
  • antifrank said:

    And Marf, why are you bored?

    She has the flu, that's why.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,956
    edited December 2013

    DavidL said:

    Good show for SPOTY although it could never reach last year's heights, the greatest year of British sport we will ever see.

    And now when I wake up the Ashes will be gone. They may be some time coming back. This team looks finished.Bit like Spurs really. Hey ho.

    I am quite hopeful that we will have a new team in the period between now and the next Ashes. This lot seem to be on their way out quite rapidly.

    I'm actually hopping mad with the selectors putting so much faith in Prior that they didn't take another Keeper they would ever hand the gloves to. He's completely shot.
    Our performances are like being back in the 90s.

    All we need now is one cap wonders, and every debutant being hyped as the new xxx

    Who can forget Mark Lathwell being hyped as elegant as David Gower, or Gavin Hamilton as the new Botham or Jason Gallian as the new Gooch.
    Stop it. Even Gavin Hamilton's mum didn't think he was the new Botham.
    I wish I were making it up,from 2007

    Life sure can be funny peculiar; seven and a half years after making their international debuts within two hours of one another in the first Test against South Africa in Johannesburg, Michael Vaughan OBE has gone on to meet the Queen, sup with Tony Blair, be feted throughout the land as one of England's 2005 Ashes' heroes, and become captain of his country;

    Gavin Hamilton, hailed as 'the new Ian Botham' by some cricket experts at the time, has gone on to become captain of East Bierley CC of the Bradford League.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/2308884/Hamilton-out-to-put-the-record-straight.html
  • There's also this BBC piece talking about Hamilton being the New Ian Botham

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/4129888.stm
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    edited December 2013
    Congrats to Andy Murray, he was nailed on to win SPOTY the minute he won Wimbledon. According to my rugby mad lads, Halfpenny is a class player.

    Congrats to Murray...and well done to Halfpenny...rugby's never really got the plaudits at SPOTY barring one or two occasions which is odd considering the popularity of the sport. Think he got so many votes because he's a player it's impossible to truly hate, even if you support his opponents. Littlest man on the field...but probably the bravest too.

  • I didn't watch SPOTY as I'm too wrapped up in Homeland, but congratulations to Britain's Andy Murray on winning SPOTY.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Sean T Surely it would be more impressive for the Chinese to put a man on Mars? The Americans put a man on the moon almost 50 years ago.

    On the soccer, yes we will win it again, probably our best bet is when we next hold the world cup, so maybe 2030?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Maybe, but if China wants the 'wow' factor then Mars would be it, the Moon would just provoke a yawn and 'been there done that' from the rest of the world. Though personally I think the likes of the Hubble Space Telescope and probes further into space than our solar system, maybe even to other galaxies, are of far more interest and more exciting for exploration in the long term. Going to the Moon in space terms is the equivalent of going for a walk to the next door neighbour's
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    This guy is amazing - how to transform yourself from male to female using makeup:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2KVBpLm30c
  • HYUFD said:

    Maybe, but if China wants the 'wow' factor then Mars would be it, the Moon would just provoke a yawn and 'been there done that' from the rest of the world. Though personally I think the likes of the Hubble Space Telescope and probes further into space than our solar system, maybe even to other galaxies, are of far more interest and more exciting for exploration in the long term. Going to the Moon in space terms is the equivalent of going for a walk to the next door neighbour's

    only the oldies remember it though. this time it will come with live tweeting.

    of course in reality Hubble is much more exciting, but for pr and iphone kicks the moon will do fine

    (plus they probably want to plant a few flags around , claim some territory and mineral exploitation rights)
  • HYUFD said:

    Maybe, but if China wants the 'wow' factor then Mars would be it, the Moon would just provoke a yawn and 'been there done that' from the rest of the world. Though personally I think the likes of the Hubble Space Telescope and probes further into space than our solar system, maybe even to other galaxies, are of far more interest and more exciting for exploration in the long term. Going to the Moon in space terms is the equivalent of going for a walk to the next door neighbour's

    only the oldies remember it though. this time it will come with live tweeting.

    of course in reality Hubble is much more exciting, but for pr and iphone kicks the moon will do fine

    (plus they probably want to plant a few flags around , claim some territory and mineral exploitation rights)
    (is there anything there wirth exploiting?)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    dugarbandier Indeed, perhaps we will even eventually have Chinese takeaways on the Moon. Night!
  • HYUFD said:

    Maybe, but if China wants the 'wow' factor then Mars would be it, the Moon would just provoke a yawn and 'been there done that' from the rest of the world. Though personally I think the likes of the Hubble Space Telescope and probes further into space than our solar system, maybe even to other galaxies, are of far more interest and more exciting for exploration in the long term. Going to the Moon in space terms is the equivalent of going for a walk to the next door neighbour's

    only the oldies remember it though. this time it will come with live tweeting.

    of course in reality Hubble is much more exciting, but for pr and iphone kicks the moon will do fine

    (plus they probably want to plant a few flags around , claim some territory and mineral exploitation rights)
    (is there anything there wirth exploiting?)
    I think there's some isotope of Helium that will run out of on Earth which would be worth exploiting on the Moon, particularly if you were to get one of the types of Nuclear Fusion working in a practical way.

    Generally, though, the Moon is a diversion. Mars is somewhere worth going, as people could ultimately live there in a self-sustaining way.

    There seem to be a few non-state attempts to get to Mars. In some ways this is back to the past, when some exploration was conducted by private expeditions.
  • HYUFD said:

    Maybe, but if China wants the 'wow' factor then Mars would be it, the Moon would just provoke a yawn and 'been there done that' from the rest of the world. Though personally I think the likes of the Hubble Space Telescope and probes further into space than our solar system, maybe even to other galaxies, are of far more interest and more exciting for exploration in the long term. Going to the Moon in space terms is the equivalent of going for a walk to the next door neighbour's

    only the oldies remember it though. this time it will come with live tweeting.

    of course in reality Hubble is much more exciting, but for pr and iphone kicks the moon will do fine

    (plus they probably want to plant a few flags around , claim some territory and mineral exploitation rights)
    (is there anything there wirth exploiting?)
    I think there's some isotope of Helium that will run out of on Earth which would be worth exploiting on the Moon, particularly if you were to get one of the types of Nuclear Fusion working in a practical way.

    Generally, though, the Moon is a diversion. Mars is somewhere worth going, as people could ultimately live there in a self-sustaining way.

    There seem to be a few non-state attempts to get to Mars. In some ways this is back to the past, when some exploration was conducted by private expeditions.
    not mention the iranians! Islamic republic of Mars, anyone.

    Science fiction/science reality. good fun, isn'T it?
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Maybe the organic, recyclable straws are not short enough.
    AndyJS said:
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Off Topic
    Faisal Islam's (Channel 4 economics correspondent) book The Default Line is on Amazon Kindle for 79 pence.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Default-Line-Faisal-Islam-ebook/dp/B00AZ17W6Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1387167232&sr=1-1&keywords=faisal+islam
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Renewable energy is currently providing 22% of the UK's electricity, the highest figure I've seen so far:

    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2013
    Joseph Harwood really is the most extraordinary person I've come across on the internet for a very long time.

    This is one of his latest efforts, where he attempts - successfully - to make himself look like Beyoncé in her new "Haunted" video:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ0qAJAjg3U&amp

    This is his "Greyscale" look:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDabfDlbeZg&amp
  • HYUFD said:

    Maybe, but if China wants the 'wow' factor then Mars would be it, the Moon would just provoke a yawn and 'been there done that' from the rest of the world. Though personally I think the likes of the Hubble Space Telescope and probes further into space than our solar system, maybe even to other galaxies, are of far more interest and more exciting for exploration in the long term. Going to the Moon in space terms is the equivalent of going for a walk to the next door neighbour's

    only the oldies remember it though. this time it will come with live tweeting.

    of course in reality Hubble is much more exciting, but for pr and iphone kicks the moon will do fine

    (plus they probably want to plant a few flags around , claim some territory and mineral exploitation rights)
    (is there anything there wirth exploiting?)
    I think there's some isotope of Helium that will run out of on Earth which would be worth exploiting on the Moon, particularly if you were to get one of the types of Nuclear Fusion working in a practical way.

    Generally, though, the Moon is a diversion. Mars is somewhere worth going, as people could ultimately live there in a self-sustaining way.

    There seem to be a few non-state attempts to get to Mars. In some ways this is back to the past, when some exploration was conducted by private expeditions.
    Luna is often overlooked as a possible target, probably as it is so close and Mars sounds so much more exciting and exotic.

    However, in Luna, we have a ready placed space station with enough gravity to be comfortable with, while still being able to launch large space craft. One of the extreme problems and costs involved in space travel is in escaping the gravity well of Earth, which is obviously going to be cheaper with smaller lighter craft going into orbit, the passengers transferring to larger craft, built on Luna, then moving on to Mars or which ever other planets orbit to land (and be able to take off again from that gravity well).

    Luna is well placed for solar power with at least half of the planet in sunlight for 14 days, 6 arrays around the equator plus 1 at each pole should be able to produce more than enough for factories. While there are probably enough minerals in the asteroid belt to keep them running.

    Ah! but this is all science fiction, but I have an niggle in my mind that the Chinese don't think so.

    And just for fun, Luna was at one time 14k miles from the surface of Earth. Just think of the tides on the Earth then.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    A practical issue: How do you pray in the direction of Mecca when living on Mars?

    HYUFD said:

    Maybe, but if China wants the 'wow' factor then Mars would be it, the Moon would just provoke a yawn and 'been there done that' from the rest of the world. Though personally I think the likes of the Hubble Space Telescope and probes further into space than our solar system, maybe even to other galaxies, are of far more interest and more exciting for exploration in the long term. Going to the Moon in space terms is the equivalent of going for a walk to the next door neighbour's

    only the oldies remember it though. this time it will come with live tweeting.

    of course in reality Hubble is much more exciting, but for pr and iphone kicks the moon will do fine

    (plus they probably want to plant a few flags around , claim some territory and mineral exploitation rights)
    (is there anything there wirth exploiting?)
    I think there's some isotope of Helium that will run out of on Earth which would be worth exploiting on the Moon, particularly if you were to get one of the types of Nuclear Fusion working in a practical way.

    Generally, though, the Moon is a diversion. Mars is somewhere worth going, as people could ultimately live there in a self-sustaining way.

    There seem to be a few non-state attempts to get to Mars. In some ways this is back to the past, when some exploration was conducted by private expeditions.
    not mention the iranians! Islamic republic of Mars, anyone.

    Science fiction/science reality. good fun, isn'T it?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    A practical issue: How do you pray in the direction of Mecca when living on Mars?

    HYUFD said:

    Maybe, but if China wants the 'wow' factor then Mars would be it, the Moon would just provoke a yawn and 'been there done that' from the rest of the world. Though personally I think the likes of the Hubble Space Telescope and probes further into space than our solar system, maybe even to other galaxies, are of far more interest and more exciting for exploration in the long term. Going to the Moon in space terms is the equivalent of going for a walk to the next door neighbour's

    only the oldies remember it though. this time it will come with live tweeting.

    of course in reality Hubble is much more exciting, but for pr and iphone kicks the moon will do fine

    (plus they probably want to plant a few flags around , claim some territory and mineral exploitation rights)
    (is there anything there wirth exploiting?)
    I think there's some isotope of Helium that will run out of on Earth which would be worth exploiting on the Moon, particularly if you were to get one of the types of Nuclear Fusion working in a practical way.

    Generally, though, the Moon is a diversion. Mars is somewhere worth going, as people could ultimately live there in a self-sustaining way.

    There seem to be a few non-state attempts to get to Mars. In some ways this is back to the past, when some exploration was conducted by private expeditions.
    not mention the iranians! Islamic republic of Mars, anyone.

    Science fiction/science reality. good fun, isn'T it?
    I seem to recall that Kim Stanley Robinson had an ingenious solution to this in his Red/Green/Blue Mars trilogy but I'm damned if I can remember what it was.

    The books are well worth reading though; especially if you are on a flight to Australia. 2000 pages to keep you going on the 'plane and then you can use them as weapons to club the deadly wildlife when you get there.

  • Oh, I don't remember Robinson's solution to foxinsoxuk's query, but the Mars Trilogy (Ooh look, £2.83 on Kindle...) is absolutely stunning. I read them again quite recently (finished a few months ago) and could easily start reading them again now!
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