Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
I presume we are going to see lots of gyms in big trouble shortly. No way they can carry on with no membership fees, with no prospect of opening soon and will be one of the first things closed back down in the winter.
I am still paying my gym membership fee by direct debit but have not been there since March
Don’t worry, millions knew that paying the membership is entirely sufficient, before the virus came along.
I have been a member of a gym for five years and never actually set foot in it.
The logic is that I wanted membership of the attached golf course and taking out gym membership as well was cheaper than just being an ordinary member of the golf club.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
I presume we are going to see lots of gyms in big trouble shortly. No way they can carry on with no membership fees, with no prospect of opening soon and will be one of the first things closed back down in the winter.
My guess is that we will see a slow, steady shallowing out of the hospitality and leisure sector throughout the summer that will be largely unnocticed initially because there will be lots of post-lockdown pictures of crowded bars in city centres and down on the coasts, and that this will then accelerate once the nights start closing in - at which point it will become a big story.
Yes - the end of summer will be when those that have reopened will know whether they can survive or not.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
I am really really sorry to hear that. I have been there and a good friend is in a band which played there once or twice.
Can the crowd funding not help?
We are going to lose so much of our creative arts - one thing Britain is indisputably world class in.
The crowdfunding will hep for a month or so, but after that there is no income - and, well, you know the rest.
My guess is that new venues will appear once social distancing is no longer an issue - people will still want to make music and perform it, and others will want to listen - but it will be for a new generation to get it all started again.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I do worry what da yuff are going to get up to. Idle hands and all that.
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
Oh ffs! Retired GP and failed/disgraced minister in a senior trade role that British business depends on.You could not make up the state of amateurishness that our political life has become. Well I guess having an ex-polemicist liar as PM we really are in the age of "having enough of experts"!
Thinking man's Brexiteer though. Him and Richard Tyndall.
Other than Richard Tyndall it is a low bar. A bit like saying the thinking man's Sun reader or Chelsea supporter
If you ever want a succinct analysis of why Leave won there it is.
If you voted Leave simply because you don't like my tongue in cheek analysis of the average Brexit supporter you are clearly supporting the thrust of that proposition. By the way, if I say you have to be pretty thick to drink and drive, it is probably best for your family that you don't take a contrarian view.
Your continued patronising tone makes my point.
Perhaps I am thick, in which case you reminding me is hardly going to persuade me to your point of view. And after 4 years the penny still hasn't dropped.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
Don't tell my Mum but I regularly visit hotel bars, I love the bar at the Malmaison in Manchester, I do wonder if they can continue.
I see they are starting up drive in live music shows. Personally, I'm not sure they are for me. It isn't the same as going into a filthy sweaty shit hole of a room to listen to a band, where if you aren't careful you will lose a shoe as it sticks to the floor.
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
A haircut without the "Have you been on holiday?' bollocks sounds divine.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
I presume we are going to see lots of gyms in big trouble shortly. No way they can carry on with no membership fees, with no prospect of opening soon and will be one of the first things closed back down in the winter.
I am still paying my gym membership fee by direct debit but have not been there since March
That’s a bit cavalier. Surprised at you. Not disappointed as such but surprised certainly.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I do worry what da yuff are going to get up to. Idle hands and all that.
One of the thing that has surprised me, the lack of surprise pregnancies of couples living together during lockdown.
Or we might see an uptick when couples who haven't seen each for three months get to meet up again.
I think today's briefing was much better news for restaurants - covers can be spaced 1 metre side side table to table and chairs 1 metre front back (As people are facing opposite ways) now than it was for pubs. "Pub Pubs" with no or limited garden space are probably going to close to be perfectly frank.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I do worry what da yuff are going to get up to. Idle hands and all that.
One of the thing that has surprised me, the lack of surprise pregnancies of couples living together during lockdown.
Or we might see an uptick when couples who haven't seen each for three months get to meet up again.
Birth control has been available through the pandemic.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
I presume we are going to see lots of gyms in big trouble shortly. No way they can carry on with no membership fees, with no prospect of opening soon and will be one of the first things closed back down in the winter.
I am still paying my gym membership fee by direct debit but have not been there since March
That’s a bit cavalier. Surprised at you. Not disappointed as such but surprised certainly.
What? Surprised that I am willing to help keep my local gym going through lockdown?
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
Ah good, the small talk was always the worst.
I love talking to my hairdresser. He is Italian. We talk all the time, share gossip and recipes and hugs. We are friends.
Bollocks. They have and will continue to be called by the likes of select committees to answer questions.
I'll second that. Maguire is wrong. We are in this for the long haul, people will pay far more attention if these conferences are not routine. They are already treading over the same ground again and again. They need to be reserved for important announcements such as changes of policy.
The lifelong Republican who ran McCain’s election campaign nails Trump:
“ Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."
I reckon the R in England is now at 0.94. Cases are still declining but at a very slow rate. ...
Are the recent figures inflated relative to earlier ones because we are doing a lot more testing, though? Perhaps you try to adjust for this.
I'm not trying to adjust for this. Testing has basically plateaued out as far as I can see. But it is difficult to know what is a real test and what is a duplicate on the same person etc. Impossible to adjust for.
If testing is causing an increase in numbers because of the testing then I am over-estimating R.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
What's wrong with a banner saying "White Lives Matter"?
Given that the entire thing kicked off because, in the US, it was made very clear and explicit that black lives mattered far less (if they mattered even at all) to the authorities than did white lives and that the “Black Lives Matter” slogan was originated to emphasise that this was wrong (and even in this country, as @Casino_Royale ’s excellent thread brought out), we have problems underlining that quite a few people see black lives as mattering less than white lives), it does smack of outright rejection that anyone should quarrel with that unacceptable and unpleasant state of affairs. Almost a slapdown for having the temerity to not just accept it.
White lives certainly matter in the US, and to a greater level than do black lives. Sloganising “White Lives Matter” just gets a “well, yes, we know.”
At best it comes across as “but what about meeeeeee!” from Dudley Dursley when Harry finally gets given something.
That is exactly what Boris said at the dispatch box
What is wrong with you people
It's just wilfull ignorance. I thought Boris sounded quite cautious in the presser actually; you can tell caution is something that doesn't come naturally to him.
Incidentally, you’d have thought the government would have the guidance on pub reopening actually published on the day Boris announces it all. I mean that’s not too much to expect is it?
As far as my daughter can make out, the table service will make it very hard to make money. She’s now trying to work out how she can make it work in practice. If she can. Having been a bit hopeful the last few days she is now depressed again.
What happens, for instance, if there are a lot of drinkers, socially distanced outside, it suddenly rains and they come inside? Or is she meant to force them to stay outside? And when inside she has to allow them 20 mins to finish their drinks anyway.
I suggest she just uses her common sense. If she gets it wrong she's not going to go to jail or even lose her licence. Whoever points out to her what is wrong will also suggest ways of putting it right. I'm sure they'll be sympathetic.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
I presume we are going to see lots of gyms in big trouble shortly. No way they can carry on with no membership fees, with no prospect of opening soon and will be one of the first things closed back down in the winter.
I am still paying my gym membership fee by direct debit but have not been there since March
Don’t worry, millions knew that paying the membership is entirely sufficient, before the virus came along.
I have been a member of a gym for five years and never actually set foot in it.
The logic is that I wanted membership of the attached golf course and taking out gym membership as well was cheaper than just being an ordinary member of the golf club.
That’s like how the "Big Mac meal" used to be cheaper than a Big Mac so they ended up paying YOU to eat a portion of chips.
The lifelong Republican who ran McCain’s election campaign nails Trump:
“ Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I do worry what da yuff are going to get up to. Idle hands and all that.
Young men might have one idle hand. The other tends to be kept fairly busy.
Holding a pint glass. What do you think I meant?!?
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
A haircut without the "Have you been on holiday?' bollocks sounds divine.
Let’s face it. Any haircut sounds divine right now.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I do worry what da yuff are going to get up to. Idle hands and all that.
One of the thing that has surprised me, the lack of surprise pregnancies of couples living together during lockdown.
Or we might see an uptick when couples who haven't seen each for three months get to meet up again.
The lifelong Republican who ran McCain’s election campaign nails Trump:
“ Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."
That is a very good analysis
I dunno. It seems a bit trenchant. I mean, what have idiots, imbeciles and conmen ever done to deserve being compared to Trump?
What's wrong with a banner saying "White Lives Matter"?
Given that the entire thing kicked off because, in the US, it was made very clear and explicit that black lives mattered far less (if they mattered even at all) to the authorities than did white lives and that the “Black Lives Matter” slogan was originated to emphasise that this was wrong (and even in this country, as @Casino_Royale ’s excellent thread brought out), we have problems underlining that quite a few people see black lives as mattering less than white lives), it does smack of outright rejection that anyone should quarrel with that unacceptable and unpleasant state of affairs. Almost a slapdown for having the temerity to not just accept it.
White lives certainly matter in the US, and to a greater level than do black lives. Sloganising “White Lives Matter” just gets a “well, yes, we know.”
At best it comes across as “but what about meeeeeee!” from Dudley Dursley when Harry finally gets given something.
Black Lives matter to the authorities far more than they do to certain black people. In just one one US city (Chicago) last week-end there were 100 shootings, and 14 deaths. Four of those were teenagers and one a child. The only thing standing between the black community and even more wholesale slaughter is the police force. A force BLM wants to defund.
Black on black violence is a nightmare proportions in America's cities, and it is completely ignored by 'black lives matter'
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
A haircut without the "Have you been on holiday?' bollocks sounds divine.
The lifelong Republican who ran McCain’s election campaign nails Trump:
“ Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."
The lifelong Republican who ran McCain’s election campaign nails Trump:
“ Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
A haircut without the "Have you been on holiday?' bollocks sounds divine.
Let’s face it. Any haircut sounds divine right now.
It's going to take a while for mine to grow back after my DIY Number 3.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
What's wrong with a banner saying "White Lives Matter"?
Given that the entire thing kicked off because, in the US, it was made very clear and explicit that black lives mattered far less (if they mattered even at all) to the authorities than did white lives and that the “Black Lives Matter” slogan was originated to emphasise that this was wrong (and even in this country, as @Casino_Royale ’s excellent thread brought out), we have problems underlining that quite a few people see black lives as mattering less than white lives), it does smack of outright rejection that anyone should quarrel with that unacceptable and unpleasant state of affairs. Almost a slapdown for having the temerity to not just accept it.
White lives certainly matter in the US, and to a greater level than do black lives. Sloganising “White Lives Matter” just gets a “well, yes, we know.”
At best it comes across as “but what about meeeeeee!” from Dudley Dursley when Harry finally gets given something.
Black Lives matter to the authorities far more than they do to certain black people. In just one one US city (Chicago) last week-end there were 100 shootings, and 14 deaths. Four of those were teenagers and one a child. The only thing standing between the black community and even more wholesale slaughter is the police force. A force BLM wants to defund.
Black on black violence is a nightmare proportions in America's cities, and it is completely ignored by 'black lives matter'
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
A haircut without the "Have you been on holiday?' bollocks sounds divine.
Let’s face it. Any haircut sounds divine right now.
It's going to take a while for mine to grow back after my DIY Number 3.
I don’t think mine will ever grow back.
I think this is where I bow to the advancing years and go for a skinhead look.
But I can’t be bothered to do it until the summer holidays.
Incidentally, you’d have thought the government would have the guidance on pub reopening actually published on the day Boris announces it all. I mean that’s not too much to expect is it?
As far as my daughter can make out, the table service will make it very hard to make money. She’s now trying to work out how she can make it work in practice. If she can. Having been a bit hopeful the last few days she is now depressed again.
What happens, for instance, if there are a lot of drinkers, socially distanced outside, it suddenly rains and they come inside? Or is she meant to force them to stay outside? And when inside she has to allow them 20 mins to finish their drinks anyway.
I suggest she just uses her common sense. If she gets it wrong she's not going to go to jail or even lose her licence. Whoever points out to her what is wrong will also suggest ways of putting it right. I'm sure they'll be sympathetic.
I hope you are right.
But Environmental Health Officers and the local police can have a jobsworth mentality. And can, if they’re bloody-minded, impose conditions on licences etc.
It’s not her common-sense or judgment which is the issue. It’s whether the authorities have any and whether you get some customer moaning about it all and making trouble.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
What's wrong with a banner saying "White Lives Matter"?
Given that the entire thing kicked off because, in the US, it was made very clear and explicit that black lives mattered far less (if they mattered even at all) to the authorities than did white lives and that the “Black Lives Matter” slogan was originated to emphasise that this was wrong (and even in this country, as @Casino_Royale ’s excellent thread brought out), we have problems underlining that quite a few people see black lives as mattering less than white lives), it does smack of outright rejection that anyone should quarrel with that unacceptable and unpleasant state of affairs. Almost a slapdown for having the temerity to not just accept it.
White lives certainly matter in the US, and to a greater level than do black lives. Sloganising “White Lives Matter” just gets a “well, yes, we know.”
At best it comes across as “but what about meeeeeee!” from Dudley Dursley when Harry finally gets given something.
Black Lives matter to the authorities far more than they do to certain black people. In just one one US city (Chicago) last week-end there were 100 shootings, and 14 deaths. Four of those were teenagers and one a child. The only thing standing between the black community and even more wholesale slaughter is the police force. A force BLM wants to defund.
Black on black violence is a nightmare proportions in America's cities, and it is completely ignored by 'black lives matter'
What a misnomer. What a gigantic political lie.
Are you OK? This looks like a plea for help.
I am absolutely fine. You don;t find those numbers alarming and appalling?? Its amazing what the woke can ignore when it suits their purpose.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
I presume we are going to see lots of gyms in big trouble shortly. No way they can carry on with no membership fees, with no prospect of opening soon and will be one of the first things closed back down in the winter.
I am still paying my gym membership fee by direct debit but have not been there since March
That’s a bit cavalier. Surprised at you. Not disappointed as such but surprised certainly.
What? Surprised that I am willing to help keep my local gym going through lockdown?
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
- Charles Darwin
Hence he believed in evolution as well as God
He didn’t believe in God. He was an agnostic.
In fact, the whole story of Charles Darwin is an interesting one of a man who was nervous of his own conclusions.
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
- Charles Darwin
Hence he believed in evolution as well as God
He described himself as agnostic and went for walks on Sunday rather than attending church.
Based on the quote above, he did not expect much from God...
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
- Charles Darwin
Hence he believed in evolution as well as God
He described himself as agnostic and went for walks on Sunday rather than attending church.
Based on the quote above, he did not expect much from God...
Nobody should expect much from God, you run your own life and he judges you at the end of it, you can pray for guidance that is it
The lifelong Republican who ran McCain’s election campaign nails Trump:
“ Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."
Great piece. Though technically Trump is second-worst, which is quite fitting really. For a man who has a lifelong history of failure he can't even successfully emulate his hero who is the worst of all time.
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
- Charles Darwin
I think that he felt the same about parasitoid wasps which are, in fairness, seriously disgusting.
I am shocked, SHOCKED that people that think Tommy Robinson is a hero turn out to be less than lovely people.
I thought Asian lives matter would have been a more provocative banner; but it seems they aren’t keen on them either.
A while back The Times did an in depth analysis on the Football Lads Alliance and their secret facebook page, plenty of Burnley fans on there.
They really don't like anyone isn't a white English person.
Plenty of banning orders and football related violence amongst that place.
The only time I have been personally abused at a football match (well on the way out) was by Chelsea fans, fortunately a very large group of Liverpool fans told them to piss off and created a ring of steel for me.
A few years ago I did see and hear a bunch of West Ham fans making hissing sounds* and talking about finishing off what Hitler started, though that was aimed at fans of Spurs.
*It was only later did I realise what the hissing sounds were about.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Could Ben become the Martin Luther King for the oppressed white working classes of England?
And does he need to quit the Tory Party to do this or can he multi-task?
The white working classes voted Tory at the last general election, indeed more so than the white upper middle classes for the first time ever
The current number one on my "sad but true" list. Just ahead of my wife telling me last week that she no longer respects me and she's off as soon as the money is sorted.
I am shocked, SHOCKED that people that think Tommy Robinson is a hero turn out to be less than lovely people.
Worry not, I'm told 'it's most likely not about racism'.
I did see on social media earlier that Jake Hepple is not only a fan of Tommy Robinson but he's also from the school of thought that says 'Enoch was right'.
I am shocked, SHOCKED that people that think Tommy Robinson is a hero turn out to be less than lovely people.
Worry not, I'm told 'it's most likely not about racism'.
I did see on social media earlier that Jake Hepple is not only a fan of Tommy Robinson but he's also from the school of thought that says 'Enoch was right'.
Like you said, it's most likely not about racism.
As I remember, Enoch Powell voted Labour at one point.
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
- Charles Darwin
Hence he believed in evolution as well as God
He described himself as agnostic and went for walks on Sunday rather than attending church.
Based on the quote above, he did not expect much from God...
Nobody should expect much from God, you run your own life and he judges you at the end of it, you can pray for guidance that is it
I am shocked, SHOCKED that people that think Tommy Robinson is a hero turn out to be less than lovely people.
Worry not, I'm told 'it's most likely not about racism'.
I did see on social media earlier that Jake Hepple is not only a fan of Tommy Robinson but he's also from the school of thought that says 'Enoch was right'.
Like you said, it's most likely not about racism.
As I remember, Enoch Powell voted Labour at one point.
Does that make it a racist party?
Well.
The other thing that fascinated me about old Enoch was that for a man who is said to abhor communal violence he decided to up sticks and move to Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles.
Incidentally, you’d have thought the government would have the guidance on pub reopening actually published on the day Boris announces it all. I mean that’s not too much to expect is it?
As far as my daughter can make out, the table service will make it very hard to make money. She’s now trying to work out how she can make it work in practice. If she can. Having been a bit hopeful the last few days she is now depressed again.
What happens, for instance, if there are a lot of drinkers, socially distanced outside, it suddenly rains and they come inside? Or is she meant to force them to stay outside? And when inside she has to allow them 20 mins to finish their drinks anyway.
I suggest she just uses her common sense. If she gets it wrong she's not going to go to jail or even lose her licence. Whoever points out to her what is wrong will also suggest ways of putting it right. I'm sure they'll be sympathetic.
I hope you are right.
But Environmental Health Officers and the local police can have a jobsworth mentality. And can, if they’re bloody-minded, impose conditions on licences etc.
It’s not her common-sense or judgment which is the issue. It’s whether the authorities have any and whether you get some customer moaning about it all and making trouble.
The EHO and Police generally take a view in my experience that if you are trying your best then they should respect that and use common sense. In my experience you need to really cross the line to earn their ire.
I would hope and expect the EHO would base their responses in large part based upon existing Hygiene Ratings. If you've got a 5 star hygiene rating in normal circumstances then you clearly care about cleanliness and should be trusted to do so now. If on the other hand a premise has a 0 or 1 star hygiene rating they should be the ones the EHO are concentrating on.
The lifelong Republican who ran McCain’s election campaign nails Trump:
“ Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."
That is a very good analysis
A bit understated, I thought.
It did miss out a few things. Word count limits I suppose.
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My daughter feels like this. I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
The logic is that I wanted membership of the attached golf course and taking out gym membership as well was cheaper than just being an ordinary member of the golf club.
My guess is that new venues will appear once social distancing is no longer an issue - people will still want to make music and perform it, and others will want to listen - but it will be for a new generation to get it all started again.
Perhaps I am thick, in which case you reminding me is hardly going to persuade me to your point of view. And after 4 years the penny still hasn't dropped.
Food and drink do end up subsidising hotel rooms.
https://twitter.com/Richie_K143/status/1275371349821849606
Or we might see an uptick when couples who haven't seen each for three months get to meet up again.
I've got to do 'world leaders' this week, which is boring and crap, so I'm going to do world's leading 'stuff' instead. Fastest would definitely work.
"Pub Pubs" with no or limited garden space are probably going to close to be perfectly frank.
As well as that the charts on here are better than most of the stuff that gets published by the press.
It is part of the fun for me.
No way are we changing that.
Or something.
“ Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."
If testing is causing an increase in numbers because of the testing then I am over-estimating R.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way?
I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important.
Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
https://www.facebook.com/1361286460616795/posts/3114412391970851/
What is wrong with you people
White lives certainly matter in the US, and to a greater level than do black lives. Sloganising “White Lives Matter” just gets a “well, yes, we know.”
At best it comes across as “but what about meeeeeee!” from Dudley Dursley when Harry finally gets given something.
Dropped when this was pointed out.
Holding a pint glass. What do you think I meant?!?
Black on black violence is a nightmare proportions in America's cities, and it is completely ignored by 'black lives matter'
What a misnomer. What a gigantic political lie.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1275443023841615874?s=20
And does he need to quit the Tory Party to do this or can he multi-task?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8451435/Burnley-fan-White-Lives-Matter-plane-posted-racist-P-messages-online.html
I think this is where I bow to the advancing years and go for a skinhead look.
But I can’t be bothered to do it until the summer holidays.
But Environmental Health Officers and the local police can have a jobsworth mentality. And can, if they’re bloody-minded, impose conditions on licences etc.
It’s not her common-sense or judgment which is the issue. It’s whether the authorities have any and whether you get some customer moaning about it all and making trouble.
- Charles Darwin
That's different. What a sweetie.
In fact, the whole story of Charles Darwin is an interesting one of a man who was nervous of his own conclusions.
Based on the quote above, he did not expect much from God...
I think that he felt the same about parasitoid wasps which are, in fairness, seriously disgusting.
They really don't like anyone isn't a white English person.
Plenty of banning orders and football related violence amongst that place.
The only time I have been personally abused at a football match (well on the way out) was by Chelsea fans, fortunately a very large group of Liverpool fans told them to piss off and created a ring of steel for me.
A few years ago I did see and hear a bunch of West Ham fans making hissing sounds* and talking about finishing off what Hitler started, though that was aimed at fans of Spurs.
*It was only later did I realise what the hissing sounds were about.
Like you said, it's most likely not about racism.
Does that make it a racist party?
The other thing that fascinated me about old Enoch was that for a man who is said to abhor communal violence he decided to up sticks and move to Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles.
I would hope and expect the EHO would base their responses in large part based upon existing Hygiene Ratings. If you've got a 5 star hygiene rating in normal circumstances then you clearly care about cleanliness and should be trusted to do so now. If on the other hand a premise has a 0 or 1 star hygiene rating they should be the ones the EHO are concentrating on.