Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Could Ben become the Martin Luther King for the oppressed white working classes of England?
And does he need to quit the Tory Party to do this or can he multi-task?
The white working classes voted Tory at the last general election, indeed more so than the white upper middle classes for the first time ever
The current number one on my "sad but true" list. Just ahead of my wife telling me last week that she no longer respects me and she's off as soon as the money is sorted.
I am shocked, SHOCKED that people that think Tommy Robinson is a hero turn out to be less than lovely people.
I thought Asian lives matter would have been a more provocative banner; but it seems they aren’t keen on them either.
A while back The Times did an in depth analysis on the Football Lads Alliance and their secret facebook page, plenty of Burnley fans on there.
They really don't like anyone isn't a white English person.
Plenty of banning orders and football related violence amongst that place.
The only time I have been personally abused at a football match (well on the way out) was by Chelsea fans, fortunately a very large group of Liverpool fans told them to piss off and created a ring of steel for me.
A few years ago I did see and hear a bunch of West Ham fans making hissing sounds* and talking about finishing off what Hitler started, though that was aimed at fans of Spurs.
*It was only later did I realise what the hissing sounds were about.
Thankfully Arsenal fans are hideously middle class so we don’t have too many of this lot. The only time I’ve seen anything related to them in the Arsenal end was when a flag was taken down at Vicarage Road. I asked the steward what it was and he said it was the football lads alliance who I’d never heard of back then.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
I presume we are going to see lots of gyms in big trouble shortly. No way they can carry on with no membership fees, with no prospect of opening soon and will be one of the first things closed back down in the winter.
I am still paying my gym membership fee by direct debit but have not been there since March
That’s a bit cavalier. Surprised at you. Not disappointed as such but surprised certainly.
What? Surprised that I am willing to help keep my local gym going through lockdown?
What has happened to your membership?
We are down by about 15%, but the vast majority are continuing to pay full fees despite an offer of 75% off - those who are not or who have cancelled membership are typically making no income or have lost contracts etc. This is a Crossfit gym, so very good community feel.
During the lockdown we have done major upgrades / refurb.
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
- Charles Darwin
Hence he believed in evolution as well as God
He described himself as agnostic and went for walks on Sunday rather than attending church.
Based on the quote above, he did not expect much from God...
Nobody should expect much from God, you run your own life and he judges you at the end of it, you can pray for guidance that is it
The really sad thing about this, is that there are those who actively want this to fail thereby costings millions of jobs, school children seriously disadvantaged, and mental health disorders rocketing
The new reality is there is an increased element of risk in our lives. It is just a fact. But some twats want to make a huge song and dance about everything until the world is "safe"....
Like the PM and his determination that everyone states that schools are definitively safe ?
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
- Charles Darwin
Hence he believed in evolution as well as God
He described himself as agnostic and went for walks on Sunday rather than attending church.
Based on the quote above, he did not expect much from God...
Nobody should expect much from God, you run your own life and he judges you at the end of it, you can pray for guidance that is it
I am shocked, SHOCKED that people that think Tommy Robinson is a hero turn out to be less than lovely people.
I thought Asian lives matter would have been a more provocative banner; but it seems they aren’t keen on them either.
A while back The Times did an in depth analysis on the Football Lads Alliance and their secret facebook page, plenty of Burnley fans on there.
They really don't like anyone isn't a white English person.
Plenty of banning orders and football related violence amongst that place.
The only time I have been personally abused at a football match (well on the way out) was by Chelsea fans, fortunately a very large group of Liverpool fans told them to piss off and created a ring of steel for me.
A few years ago I did see and hear a bunch of West Ham fans making hissing sounds* and talking about finishing off what Hitler started, though that was aimed at fans of Spurs.
*It was only later did I realise what the hissing sounds were about.
Thankfully Arsenal fans are hideously middle class so we don’t have too many of this lot. The only time I’ve seen anything related to them in the Arsenal end was when a flag was taken down at Vicarage Road. I asked the steward what it was and he said it was the football lads alliance who I’d never heard of back then.
They do a lot of recruitment online, how it works is they start a facebook page that seems benign like 'We love Steve Bould' or 'Arsenal fans opposed to animal abuse'.
For about thee to six months they post on topic, then they gently ramp it up turning into rants about the Islamofocation of England/Britain etc, those that don't unfollow are the ones they work on.
Then stupidly post about the violence they are planning, with times and dates, which the rozzers are prepared for.
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
A haircut without the "Have you been on holiday?' bollocks sounds divine.
Let’s face it. Any haircut sounds divine right now.
It's going to take a while for mine to grow back after my DIY Number 3.
I don’t think mine will ever grow back.
I think this is where I bow to the advancing years and go for a skinhead look.
But I can’t be bothered to do it until the summer holidays.
I DIYd a Number 4 just over a month ago, and it’s beginning to look as though I’ll need to do it again.
I find myself in the rare position of being broadly supportive of the Government and of the Prime Minister's statement today.
Unfortunately, I expect I will not be in favour of the reportage which will emphasise some aspects of the Prime Minister's comments (re-opening of bars, pubs, restaurants) but neglect or fail to mention the more cautious elements (2 metre social distancing remains very much in effect, working at home still the case).
The desperation for "good news" and the desperation for "normality" is understandable - one of my colleagues, who may or may not be typical, is enjoying home working and wants to continue but the ideal for her will be the ability to work at home with the children at school.
It would be welcome to see the Government moving foursquare behind the homeworking revolution and encouraging it as much as possible for those for whom it is desirable and suitable (many back office jobs).
It's also interesting to note the biggest casualty of Covid-19 has been the "night economy". With restaurants, places of entertainment and pubs closed, the evenings have been quiet and the town centres quieter.
The Services PMI was slightly stronger than I had expected but for all the talk of "bounce back", the figure in isolation needs to be treated with caution. Yes, we have seen the release of pent-up demand but queuing outside shops doesn't mean more business, it means the same business taking longer. Once the pent-up demand is eased, what then?
The workers' revolution (not the Marxist version) is going to be the socially and culturally transformative aspect of this and potentially there are huge benefits for individuals and families but I sense far from embracing the "new normal", there's a concerted attempt to try to get back to the "old normal".
What's wrong with a banner saying "White Lives Matter"?
Given that the entire thing kicked off because, in the US, it was made very clear and explicit that black lives mattered far less (if they mattered even at all) to the authorities than did white lives and that the “Black Lives Matter” slogan was originated to emphasise that this was wrong (and even in this country, as @Casino_Royale ’s excellent thread brought out), we have problems underlining that quite a few people see black lives as mattering less than white lives), it does smack of outright rejection that anyone should quarrel with that unacceptable and unpleasant state of affairs. Almost a slapdown for having the temerity to not just accept it.
White lives certainly matter in the US, and to a greater level than do black lives. Sloganising “White Lives Matter” just gets a “well, yes, we know.”
At best it comes across as “but what about meeeeeee!” from Dudley Dursley when Harry finally gets given something.
Thanks. My point was they very much have a point, but we shouldn't racialise and politicise the solutions.
We should just listen to and understand one another better.
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
- Charles Darwin
I think that he felt the same about parasitoid wasps which are, in fairness, seriously disgusting.
So Darwin was the one to discover anthropomorphism ?
I am shocked, SHOCKED that people that think Tommy Robinson is a hero turn out to be less than lovely people.
I thought Asian lives matter would have been a more provocative banner; but it seems they aren’t keen on them either.
A while back The Times did an in depth analysis on the Football Lads Alliance and their secret facebook page, plenty of Burnley fans on there.
They really don't like anyone isn't a white English person.
Plenty of banning orders and football related violence amongst that place.
The only time I have been personally abused at a football match (well on the way out) was by Chelsea fans, fortunately a very large group of Liverpool fans told them to piss off and created a ring of steel for me.
A few years ago I did see and hear a bunch of West Ham fans making hissing sounds* and talking about finishing off what Hitler started, though that was aimed at fans of Spurs.
*It was only later did I realise what the hissing sounds were about.
Thankfully Arsenal fans are hideously middle class so we don’t have too many of this lot. The only time I’ve seen anything related to them in the Arsenal end was when a flag was taken down at Vicarage Road. I asked the steward what it was and he said it was the football lads alliance who I’d never heard of back then.
They do a lot of recruitment online, how it works is they start a facebook page that seems benign like 'We love Steve Bould' or 'Arsenal fans opposed to animal abuse'.
For about thee to six months they post on topic, then they gently ramp it up turning into rants about the Islamofocation of England/Britain etc, those that don't unfollow are the ones they work on.
Then stupidly post about the violence they are planning, with times and dates, which the rozzers are prepared for.
The best explainer I've seen for why it is 'Black Lives Matter' is that when Liverpudlians campaigned over Hillsborough it was 'Justice for the 96' and not 'Justice for all'.
Sometimes an injustice is so monstrous you need to focus on that specific one to change it all.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I do worry what da yuff are going to get up to. Idle hands and all that.
One of the thing that has surprised me, the lack of surprise pregnancies of couples living together during lockdown.
Or we might see an uptick when couples who haven't seen each for three months get to meet up again.
The best explainer I've seen for why it is 'Black Lives Matter' is that when Liverpudlians campaigned over Hillsborough it was 'Justice for the 96' and not 'Justice for all'.
Sometimes an injustice is so monstrous you need to focus on that specific one to change it all.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
The EU’s negotiating team led by Michel Barnier was accused in the latest round of talks of seeking to block the government from defending British farmers from cut-price European imports.
The row centres on the EU’s demand for what it is claimed would be an unprecedented commitment not to retaliate through tariffs on European goods even where it could be potentially shown that British farmers are being unfairly undercut....
I am shocked, SHOCKED that people that think Tommy Robinson is a hero turn out to be less than lovely people.
I thought Asian lives matter would have been a more provocative banner; but it seems they aren’t keen on them either.
A while back The Times did an in depth analysis on the Football Lads Alliance and their secret facebook page, plenty of Burnley fans on there.
They really don't like anyone isn't a white English person.
Plenty of banning orders and football related violence amongst that place.
The only time I have been personally abused at a football match (well on the way out) was by Chelsea fans, fortunately a very large group of Liverpool fans told them to piss off and created a ring of steel for me.
A few years ago I did see and hear a bunch of West Ham fans making hissing sounds* and talking about finishing off what Hitler started, though that was aimed at fans of Spurs.
*It was only later did I realise what the hissing sounds were about.
Thankfully Arsenal fans are hideously middle class so we don’t have too many of this lot. The only time I’ve seen anything related to them in the Arsenal end was when a flag was taken down at Vicarage Road. I asked the steward what it was and he said it was the football lads alliance who I’d never heard of back then.
They do a lot of recruitment online, how it works is they start a facebook page that seems benign like 'We love Steve Bould' or 'Arsenal fans opposed to animal abuse'.
For about thee to six months they post on topic, then they gently ramp it up turning into rants about the Islamofocation of England/Britain etc, those that don't unfollow are the ones they work on.
Then stupidly post about the violence they are planning, with times and dates, which the rozzers are prepared for.
Changed his mind? Confused how a loving God came up with Covid?
Man has free will and it was the Chinese government who allowed Covid to spread beyond its borders
"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars ..."
- Charles Darwin
Hence he believed in evolution as well as God
He described himself as agnostic and went for walks on Sunday rather than attending church.
Based on the quote above, he did not expect much from God...
It works the other way round.. You should never EXPECT anything from God.
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
A haircut without the "Have you been on holiday?' bollocks sounds divine.
The other things I'd consider as a hairdresser are:
1 Air conditioning (if there is) - where are the ducts and how does the air flow. Preferably, you do not want the chair under either the registers (outflow) or returns - i.e. you want both hairdresser and client to be outside of the main air flow. 2. Relative position of hairdresser's head to client and vice versa. You don't want either to breathing in the direction of the other. My future son-in-law is doing his rotation in the ER at the moment. Now for using a stethoscope, he sits behind the patient instead of in front, with his head turned away from the patient - that way neither are breathing on the other. 3. Handling of the dirty laundry and sweeping up the cuttings - I'd wear one-use gloves for both, and change the cape or whatever they call it for each client, putting the used one straight into a washing machine dedicated to client-used items. 4. I'd also consider changing my mask after each client if supplies are available. That would have to be a pass-through cost as it would not be trivial in relation to the cost of a haircut.
The best explainer I've seen for why it is 'Black Lives Matter' is that when Liverpudlians campaigned over Hillsborough it was 'Justice for the 96' and not 'Justice for all'.
Sometimes an injustice is so monstrous you need to focus on that specific one to change it all.
It is odd to me that black lives matter moved on to things like abolishing the police as its aims, rather than stopping the continued breaking up of established black families through enforced deportations which is still going on. The whole windrush thing feels like an actual example of racism, which we should be deeply ashamed of.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
A haircut without the "Have you been on holiday?' bollocks sounds divine.
The other things I'd consider as a hairdresser are:
1 Air conditioning (if there is) - where are the ducts and how does the air flow. Preferably, you do not want the chair under either the registers (outflow) or returns - i.e. you want both hairdresser and client to be outside of the main air flow. 2. Relative position of hairdresser's head to client and vice versa. You don't want either to breathing in the direction of the other. My future son-in-law is doing his rotation in the ER at the moment. Now for using a stethoscope, he sits behind the patient instead of in front, with his head turned away from the patient - that way neither are breathing on the other. 3. Handling of the dirty laundry and sweeping up the cuttings - I'd wear one-use gloves for both, and change the cape or whatever they call it for each client, putting the used one straight into a washing machine dedicated to client-used items. 4. I'd also consider changing my mask after each client if supplies are available. That would have to be a pass-through cost as it would not be trivial in relation to the cost of a haircut.
Apropos of nothing, here are some updates to the Oxford English Dictionary from 2013:
Credentialism: 'belief in or reliance on formal qualifications (esp. academic degrees) as the best measure of a person’s ability, intelligence, status, etc.’
Judgmentalism: ‘the quality of being judgemental; overly critical or moralistic behaviour.’
Chilling effect: 'a discouraging or deterring effect on the exercise of individual rights caused by a fear of legal action.'
The best explainer I've seen for why it is 'Black Lives Matter' is that when Liverpudlians campaigned over Hillsborough it was 'Justice for the 96' and not 'Justice for all'.
Sometimes an injustice is so monstrous you need to focus on that specific one to change it all.
It is odd to me that black lives matter moved on to things like abolishing the police as its aims, rather than stopping the continued breaking up of established black families through enforced deportations which is still going on. The whole windrush thing feels like an actual example of racism, which we should be deeply ashamed of.
It really isnt about abolishing the police. In some particularly bad US cities there are good reasons to rebuild the local police forces from scratch. And some extremists from BLM may well call for it more generally.
But for the vast vast majority of BLM supporters, especially in the UK, they will want the police to just be better and fairer, not abolished.
Apropos of nothing, here are some updates to the Oxford English Dictionary from 2013:
Credentialism: 'belief in or reliance on formal qualifications (esp. academic degrees) as the best measure of a person’s ability, intelligence, status, etc.’
Judgmentalism: ‘the quality of being judgemental; overly critical or moralistic behaviour.’
Chilling effect: 'a discouraging or deterring effect on the exercise of individual rights caused by a fear of legal action.'
And further on: "Therefore, not all ‘new’ words in the OED are actually new; many are extremely old. One such word which enters the dictionary in this update is sillytonian, a contemptuous term for a silly or gullible person which was apparently used only during the early 18th century."
Apropos of nothing, here are some updates to the Oxford English Dictionary from 2013:
Credentialism: 'belief in or reliance on formal qualifications (esp. academic degrees) as the best measure of a person’s ability, intelligence, status, etc.’
Judgmentalism: ‘the quality of being judgemental; overly critical or moralistic behaviour.’
Chilling effect: 'a discouraging or deterring effect on the exercise of individual rights caused by a fear of legal action.'
And further on: "Therefore, not all ‘new’ words in the OED are actually new; many are extremely old. One such word which enters the dictionary in this update is sillytonian, a contemptuous term for a silly or gullible person which was apparently used only during the early 18th century."
I think we are in a bit of a glass house on that front. It makes me cringe when Brexiteers try to pompously lecture Europeans on democracy. Us with an hereditary head of state, an appointed/hereditary legislative chamber, a head of government that is elected by a selectorate and FPTP. Have I missed anything?
Only that as a former Tory you have gone along with that for most of your life.
Nice to have you aboard the democracy bus though. Next horror rock to lift up and look under: media ownership.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
I am shocked, SHOCKED that people that think Tommy Robinson is a hero turn out to be less than lovely people.
I thought Asian lives matter would have been a more provocative banner; but it seems they aren’t keen on them either.
A while back The Times did an in depth analysis on the Football Lads Alliance and their secret facebook page, plenty of Burnley fans on there.
They really don't like anyone isn't a white English person.
Plenty of banning orders and football related violence amongst that place.
The only time I have been personally abused at a football match (well on the way out) was by Chelsea fans, fortunately a very large group of Liverpool fans told them to piss off and created a ring of steel for me.
A few years ago I did see and hear a bunch of West Ham fans making hissing sounds* and talking about finishing off what Hitler started, though that was aimed at fans of Spurs.
*It was only later did I realise what the hissing sounds were about.
Thankfully Arsenal fans are hideously middle class so we don’t have too many of this lot. The only time I’ve seen anything related to them in the Arsenal end was when a flag was taken down at Vicarage Road. I asked the steward what it was and he said it was the football lads alliance who I’d never heard of back then.
They do a lot of recruitment online, how it works is they start a facebook page that seems benign like 'We love Steve Bould' or 'Arsenal fans opposed to animal abuse'.
For about thee to six months they post on topic, then they gently ramp it up turning into rants about the Islamofocation of England/Britain etc, those that don't unfollow are the ones they work on.
Then stupidly post about the violence they are planning, with times and dates, which the rozzers are prepared for.
That's like when Britain First first materialised, many people I know who wouldn't share anything bigoted shared entirely innocent posts by them saying positive stuff without realising how nefarious they really are.
Mitigation for hairdressers I'd imagine involves the hairdresser wearing a mask (& possibly the customer) and no smalltalk, and definitely no cups of tea offered !
It's not quite getting a haircut as many people know it, but it'll be a facility that's able to provide haircuts
A haircut without the "Have you been on holiday?' bollocks sounds divine.
The other things I'd consider as a hairdresser are:
1 Air conditioning (if there is) - where are the ducts and how does the air flow. Preferably, you do not want the chair under either the registers (outflow) or returns - i.e. you want both hairdresser and client to be outside of the main air flow. 2. Relative position of hairdresser's head to client and vice versa. You don't want either to breathing in the direction of the other. My future son-in-law is doing his rotation in the ER at the moment. Now for using a stethoscope, he sits behind the patient instead of in front, with his head turned away from the patient - that way neither are breathing on the other. 3. Handling of the dirty laundry and sweeping up the cuttings - I'd wear one-use gloves for both, and change the cape or whatever they call it for each client, putting the used one straight into a washing machine dedicated to client-used items. 4. I'd also consider changing my mask after each client if supplies are available. That would have to be a pass-through cost as it would not be trivial in relation to the cost of a haircut.
Have half a dozen washable masks.
Don’t they normally have one of those UV sterilising cabinets? I use a small one for my phone, wallet, glasses and keys as well as recycling masks.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's top infectious disease expert, told a House committee on Tuesday he believes "it will be when and not if" there will be a COVID-19 vaccine and that he remains "cautiously optimistic" that some will be ready at the end of the year.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I do worry what da yuff are going to get up to. Idle hands and all that.
One of the thing that has surprised me, the lack of surprise pregnancies of couples living together during lockdown.
Or we might see an uptick when couples who haven't seen each for three months get to meet up again.
Coronaboomers!
I mistook that for Coronaboners......
Time for an eye test.......
☺ - that's probably better and more literally true.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Ben Bradley should know better. The spirit of Terry Dicks lives on in the Conservative Party.
You liberal elites just don't get it.
Let's look at his record.
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Is it clear that all pubs in England can open from 4th July? There had been suggestions that only those with garden areas etc would be permiited to do so initially.
Yes, you order by app at your table if indoors
The app is not compulsory, first, because not everyone has a smartphone and, second, because - as here - the broadband is simply insufficient to allow it to work. So someone will have to come to your table to take an order, get it ready and bring it back. That will inevitably slow down the service.
My sister's pub is almost certain to close down as it is essentially a music venue dependent on getting a decent crowd into a small space and so cannot function if there is any kind of social distancing. It's a real shame. They put their hearts and souls into building it up into a viable business.
Yep - it's just really, really bad luck. And the brewery has no incentive to help as they can make a shedload of money by converting it into flats that they can sell for a fortune in that part of London. You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own. Luckily, they are at an age where they can probably retire and my sister also has a Kumon franchise that is proving resilient. But this was a passion and it's almost certainly done for.
“You put everything you have into creating a business, get a level of success and then see it all fall to pieces through no fault of your own.”
I see the media thing now is now to scream about 1m...1m....we went with 2m, which was larger than any other country, now we are moving to what the WHO advise and many other countries followed from the beginning.
If we stuck to 2m and all the pubs went bust, they would screaming (and have done) why aren't we following WHO.
Does anyone have any pub visit stats?
I know I'm not the target for pubs, what with me being a good Muslim boy and all, but for my younger staff visiting the pub is anachronistic as using dial up internet.
I bet they go to clubs and music venues though and many of these will disappear. Theatres are closing down too.
At this rate we’ll be alive, healthy and have fuck all to do or places to go to. We’ll die of boredom and misery and loneliness instead.
I do worry what da yuff are going to get up to. Idle hands and all that.
One of the thing that has surprised me, the lack of surprise pregnancies of couples living together during lockdown.
Or we might see an uptick when couples who haven't seen each for three months get to meet up again.
Coronaboomers!
I mistook that for Coronaboners......
Time for an eye test.......
☺ - that's probably better and more literally true.
But kind of worrying that TSE wants to arrange an assignation...
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
"No crime has been committed" probably isn't true in this instance.
There are a great many laws and regulations regarding aviation, especially combined with COVID laws, that could have been breached here.
For stupid dumb racists, the people who have pulled this stunt have apparently been quite clever.
How was this an essential trip under lockdown regulations?
It was an advertising company who took a contract to fly this message, it wasn't 3 lads hopping in plane and doing it, so essential journey is irrelevant.
I can't see how they will have done anything wrong, no different to companies who have taken "led by donkeys" ad work for billboards during covid crisis.
"No crime has been committed" probably isn't true in this instance.
There are a great many laws and regulations regarding aviation, especially combined with COVID laws, that could have been breached here.
This your libertarian streak at play here?
No. I didn't write these laws.
I didn't say there actions should be legal or shouldn't be legal. I am guessing that a law may have been broken (whether I like that or not is moot - something I think should be legal is still illegal even if I dislike the law).
Quote from Ben Bradley, Tory MP for Mansfield on his Facebook page.
"If Black Lives Matter is a cry for help from communities who feel that they don't have a fair chance in life, then can the 'White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reaction not be the same? Why the assumed negative intent? Why is it fine one way, but racist the other way? I don't condone the banner, I think it's deeply unhelpful and equally divisive, but it's most likely not about racism. It's simply pointing out that there are some very poor white communities who statistically have some of the worst outcomes in our country - in places like Burnley actually, or Mansfield - which we don't talk about enough or deal with enough. It's literally exactly the same argument as those supporting BLM. It's pointing out that poor white girls are being groomed for sexual abuse and poor white lads are failing at school. That is equally as valid and important. Therein lies the inequality that BLM creates... the more were pushed to identify ourselves as 'black' or 'white' the more the colour of our skin becomes an issue. The more it sits at the forefront of people's minds. The right thing to do is to deal with inequalities wherever we find them, not to rank the inequalities in a false order of priority and set people against each other."
Ben Bradley is saying what many people think, unlike the liberal elites posting on here, including many Brexiteers. It is quite amusing, as someone who voted remain, to see this play itself out.
Nobody doubts it's what many people think. People think all sorts of drivel. People are like that.
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire Sapiens Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
"No crime has been committed" probably isn't true in this instance.
There are a great many laws and regulations regarding aviation, especially combined with COVID laws, that could have been breached here.
This your libertarian streak at play here?
No. I didn't write these laws.
I didn't say there actions should be legal or shouldn't be legal. I am guessing that a law may have been broken (whether I like that or not is moot - something I think should be legal is still illegal even if I dislike the law).
Your post had a disapproving, I follow the rules feel about it.
"No crime has been committed" probably isn't true in this instance.
There are a great many laws and regulations regarding aviation, especially combined with COVID laws, that could have been breached here.
For stupid dumb racists, the people who have pulled this stunt have apparently been quite clever.
How was this an essential trip under lockdown regulations?
It was an advertising company who took a contract to fly this message, it wasn't 3 lads hopping in plane and doing it, so essential journey is irrelevant.
I can't see how they will have done anything wrong, no different to companies who have taken "led by donkeys" ad work for billboards during covid crisis.
The best explainer I've seen for why it is 'Black Lives Matter' is that when Liverpudlians campaigned over Hillsborough it was 'Justice for the 96' and not 'Justice for all'.
Sometimes an injustice is so monstrous you need to focus on that specific one to change it all.
It is odd to me that black lives matter moved on to things like abolishing the police as its aims, rather than stopping the continued breaking up of established black families through enforced deportations which is still going on. The whole windrush thing feels like an actual example of racism, which we should be deeply ashamed of.
Not bothering to adapt a campaign to the local circumstances strikes again.
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We are down by about 15%, but the vast majority are continuing to pay full fees despite an offer of 75% off - those who are not or who have cancelled membership are typically making no income or have lost contracts etc. This is a Crossfit gym, so very good community feel.
During the lockdown we have done major upgrades / refurb.
I don't think we'll have long to wait on leisure and sports centres. There are ways of mitigating Covid risk in both of those.
Super Hans was right about people.
Both have lots of members who attend very rarely.
On haircuts, Boris should go the full baldy. One of my neighbours forget to put the spacer on his trimmer and now looks like Thomas the Tank Engine.
For about thee to six months they post on topic, then they gently ramp it up turning into rants about the Islamofocation of England/Britain etc, those that don't unfollow are the ones they work on.
Then stupidly post about the violence they are planning, with times and dates, which the rozzers are prepared for.
I had forgot.
I find myself in the rare position of being broadly supportive of the Government and of the Prime Minister's statement today.
Unfortunately, I expect I will not be in favour of the reportage which will emphasise some aspects of the Prime Minister's comments (re-opening of bars, pubs, restaurants) but neglect or fail to mention the more cautious elements (2 metre social distancing remains very much in effect, working at home still the case).
The desperation for "good news" and the desperation for "normality" is understandable - one of my colleagues, who may or may not be typical, is enjoying home working and wants to continue but the ideal for her will be the ability to work at home with the children at school.
It would be welcome to see the Government moving foursquare behind the homeworking revolution and encouraging it as much as possible for those for whom it is desirable and suitable (many back office jobs).
It's also interesting to note the biggest casualty of Covid-19 has been the "night economy". With restaurants, places of entertainment and pubs closed, the evenings have been quiet and the town centres quieter.
The Services PMI was slightly stronger than I had expected but for all the talk of "bounce back", the figure in isolation needs to be treated with caution. Yes, we have seen the release of pent-up demand but queuing outside shops doesn't mean more business, it means the same business taking longer. Once the pent-up demand is eased, what then?
The workers' revolution (not the Marxist version) is going to be the socially and culturally transformative aspect of this and potentially there are huge benefits for individuals and families but I sense far from embracing the "new normal", there's a concerted attempt to try to get back to the "old normal".
We should just listen to and understand one another better.
Sometimes an injustice is so monstrous you need to focus on that specific one to change it all.
Time for an eye test.......
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/23/brexit-talks-hit-by-row-over-eu-subsidies-for-farmers
British and EU negotiators have hit a new obstacle to securing a trade and security deal after clashing over €70bn of subsidies handed to European farmers by Brussels, the Guardian can reveal.
The EU’s negotiating team led by Michel Barnier was accused in the latest round of talks of seeking to block the government from defending British farmers from cut-price European imports.
The row centres on the EU’s demand for what it is claimed would be an unprecedented commitment not to retaliate through tariffs on European goods even where it could be potentially shown that British farmers are being unfairly undercut....
We (the sensible people in the Student Union) had an ongoing working group with the police to expose them and shut them down.
https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1275496308753739783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=389&v=xb1vTYScxvY&feature=emb_title
1 Air conditioning (if there is) - where are the ducts and how does the air flow. Preferably, you do not want the chair under either the registers (outflow) or returns - i.e. you want both hairdresser and client to be outside of the main air flow.
2. Relative position of hairdresser's head to client and vice versa. You don't want either to breathing in the direction of the other. My future son-in-law is doing his rotation in the ER at the moment. Now for using a stethoscope, he sits behind the patient instead of in front, with his head turned away from the patient - that way neither are breathing on the other.
3. Handling of the dirty laundry and sweeping up the cuttings - I'd wear one-use gloves for both, and change the cape or whatever they call it for each client, putting the used one straight into a washing machine dedicated to client-used items.
4. I'd also consider changing my mask after each client if supplies are available. That would have to be a pass-through cost as it would not be trivial in relation to the cost of a haircut.
2) Born to be Mild 1656 (yours truly)
So much lol.
Credentialism: 'belief in or reliance on formal qualifications (esp. academic degrees) as the best measure of a person’s ability, intelligence, status, etc.’
Judgmentalism: ‘the quality of being judgemental; overly critical or moralistic behaviour.’
Chilling effect: 'a discouraging or deterring effect on the exercise of individual rights caused by a fear of legal action.'
https://public.oed.com/blog/december-2013-update-new-words-katherine-martin
But for the vast vast majority of BLM supporters, especially in the UK, they will want the police to just be better and fairer, not abolished.
https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1275422043324977152
"Therefore, not all ‘new’ words in the OED are actually new; many are extremely old. One such word which enters the dictionary in this update is sillytonian, a contemptuous term for a silly or gullible person which was apparently used only during the early 18th century."
Nice to have you aboard the democracy bus though. Next horror rock to lift up and look under: media ownership.
https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1275500569940176897
https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1275500570959384578
But any case you and I are the ORIGINAL members of TrumpToast club and that will forever be a badge of much honour and status. ☺
https://twitter.com/ErinSandersNP/status/1275244825831518209
The movement is probably in reaction to the Harris poll putting Biden 12 ahead. Harris is a pretty flaky pollster but usually leans Trump.
https://twitter.com/leomiklasz/status/1275472611233992707?s=20
He had to make an apology to Jeremy Corbyn for accusing him of selling secrets to Communist spies.
His response to the Free Meals for Children over the summer row was to demand restrictions to stop parents abusing the largesse.
Shortly after that, he resigned as a PPS to spend more time with his family.
Now he's waded into another controversial issue which needs to be defused not enflamed.
If his whip isn't changing the password on every social media account the man has at this very minute, something has gone horribly wrong.
There are a great many laws and regulations regarding aviation, especially combined with COVID laws, that could have been breached here.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/most-wished-for/books
People want to learn and understand.
https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article22230119.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_EbDZZPcWkAQnc3xjpeg.jpg
I can't see how they will have done anything wrong, no different to companies who have taken "led by donkeys" ad work for billboards during covid crisis.
I didn't say there actions should be legal or shouldn't be legal. I am guessing that a law may have been broken (whether I like that or not is moot - something I think should be legal is still illegal even if I dislike the law).
https://www.amazon.co.uk/charts/2020-06-14/mostread/nonfiction?ref=chrt_bk_dx_intra_nf_rd
Top five
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race
Becoming BY MICHELLE OBAMA
Natives Race & Class in the ruins of the Empire
Sapiens
Me and White Supremacy
Ive only read Sapiens and thoroughly recommend it. So 3 books specifically about race, 1 by the most popular black lady in the world, and the fifth about the history and future of all human kind.
Makes my point.
I'm glad the hotels are opening soon.
A question -
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hdoau7/people_are_angry_that_british_police_search_a/
How many dead in a US police version of this?