Owen Jones has been 'helping' Labour to defeat after defeat after defeat after defeat for over a decade. The single best thing he could do to help them win next time would be to break all ties with them and head off into the political wilderness for a similar period of silence. The electorate has had a good long look at Jonesism, and they don't like it...
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
What's offensive about suggesting racial slurs are most offensive to the group they are targeting?
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
The Conservative Party are in government because the alternative was a party led by aTrotskyist moron.
Apparently Maxine Peake has a net worth of $1M, which is not much for a high profile actor. Perhaps she believes capitalism has failed because it doesn't pay her enough!
a) The net worth info that is published on people is generally nonsense. Other than the value of the house you own there is precious little info on most people and how much research is actually done?.
b) I wouldn't put her in the high profile actor category. Except for the elite and the celebrities there aren't very high wages, particularly in theatre, for most actors. I imagine she will make a comfortable living.
I would say even being able to make a living as an actor you've 'made it'.
My wife's sister and her husband are actors with one Olivier Award nomination under his belt as a West End musical lead. You will not know them but will have seen them on the TV quite a bit. They relied on other work to make a living (teaching, exam marking, marketing work, etc).
I was being a bit tongue in cheek about luvvies who express very left wing views -often the types that then use tax avoidance measures.
I have a number of arty types in my own family, so fully appreciate that many struggle to make a living, and that without them our lives would be very much duller and less cultured and varied.
Apparently Maxine Peake has a net worth of $1M, which is not much for a high profile actor. Perhaps she believes capitalism has failed because it doesn't pay her enough!
a) The net worth info that is published on people is generally nonsense. Other than the value of the house you own there is precious little info on most people and how much research is actually done?.
b) I wouldn't put her in the high profile actor category. Except for the elite and the celebrities there aren't very high wages, particularly in theatre, for most actors. I imagine she will make a comfortable living.
Indeed, the highest earning actors past year were Dwayne Johnson and Chris Hemsworth, both action stars which is where the money is in Hollywood and the highest paid actresses were Scarlett Johansson and Sofia Vergera who are both prettier than Peake.
Peake is a character actress in dramas like Silk or period films like Suffragette, she is good at what she does but that is not where the big bucks are
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
What's offensive about suggesting racial slurs are most offensive to the group they are targeting?
If that is being brought up against Mirza then it suggests they are struggling to anything particularly objectionable she has written. It is 20 years ago, dull and inoffensive.
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
"UPDATE 9 October 2019: Lord Dubs has now retracted his comments and apologised to Mr Rees-Mogg.
Lord Dubs told The Independent: "It is a universal principle that there must be clear evidence of antisemitism before such an accusation can be made. I apologised to Mr Rees-Mogg as this was clearly not the case in these circumstances."
TBF to you, I don't think that was reported widely, it just came up on Goog when I was looking for your source, because the Indy is depressingly good at SEO.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
Obviously different from their sockpuppets on here who who seemed preternaturally obsessed with what Corbyn said or did 20, 30 or even 40 years ago.
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
Well, anyone who thought Keir a bit drippy got a surprise. Clearly a new broom, and antisemitism will not be tolerated.
Might make for an interesting relationship with the Deputy Leader, RLB's housemate.
I disagree. He’s been brutal, and that’s politics. But he’s also been unjust and that’s more important.
At the end of the day RLB shared an Independent interview with a constituent of her’s. An MP should be able to do something like that without having their reputation trashed.
It’s not the sacking that matters. RLB will be remembered in history* as being sacked for forwarding an anti-Semitic article. I don’t think that’s right.
(* to the extent that she is at all)
That’s not quite accurate. She approved it without qualification. Either she read it and approved everything said in it or she didn’t read it. Either way, SKS was right to take action against her. RLB has form not challenging those making anti-Semitic comments in her presence and given what SKS said right from the start of his leadership she should have been intelligent enough to to realise that the wind had changed and there would no longer be a blind eye to the casual and unceasing anti-Semitism that had become routine in Corbyn’s Labour.
Both are at it aren't they? The moderates supported those who kept trying to oust Corbyn as leader yet would genuinely think it outrageous if a Corbynite tried that now, whilst the Corbynites are showing the same 'disloyalty' to Starmer that they complained about the moderates doing
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
Both are at it aren't they? The moderates supported those who kept trying to oust Corbyn as leader yet would genuinely think it outrageous if a Corbynite tried that now, whilst the Corbynites are showing the same 'disloyalty' to Starmer that they complained about the moderates doing
A leadership campaign in the next 12 months would probably boost Starmer further. I dont think theyll mind one at all.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
Obviously different from their sockpuppets on here who who seemed preternaturally obsessed with what Corbyn said or did 20, 30 or even 40 years ago.
The problem with Corbyn's idiocies was not primarily that they were 'offensive' - although naturally he managed that as well - but because they were dangerous far left lunacy that he intended to implement as national policy if he gained power.
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
I don't think Boris Johnson would kick any of them out of the party even if they goosestepped through the chamber of the Commons like Basil Fawlty, wearing stockings, suspenders and jackboots shouting racial obscenities. He is just too pathetically weak to do anything without the endorsement of non-member Dom.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
Obviously different from their sockpuppets on here who who seemed preternaturally obsessed with what Corbyn said or did 20, 30 or even 40 years ago.
The problem with Corbyn's idiocies was not primarily that they were 'offensive' - although naturally he managed that as well - but because they were dangerous far left lunacy that he intended to implement as national policy if he gained power.
Phew, thank goodness that there's absolutely no evidence that advisors to the Eton Mess have any influence over national policy.
Both are at it aren't they? The moderates supported those who kept trying to oust Corbyn as leader yet would genuinely think it outrageous if a Corbynite tried that now, whilst the Corbynites are showing the same 'disloyalty' to Starmer that they complained about the moderates doing
A leadership campaign in the next 12 months would probably boost Starmer further. I dont think theyll mind one at all.
Will the left be able to find their very own Owen Smith ?
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
What's offensive about suggesting racial slurs are most offensive to the group they are targeting?
If that is being brought up against Mirza then it suggests they are struggling to anything particularly objectionable she has written. It is 20 years ago, dull and inoffensive.
Certain left wing journalists are desperate the smear Mirza.
Both are at it aren't they? The moderates supported those who kept trying to oust Corbyn as leader yet would genuinely think it outrageous if a Corbynite tried that now, whilst the Corbynites are showing the same 'disloyalty' to Starmer that they complained about the moderates doing
A leadership campaign in the next 12 months would probably boost Starmer further. I dont think theyll mind one at all.
Will the left be able to find their very own Owen Smith ?
Does anyone know what the UK government is buying with its £400 million stake in OneWeb? It is presented as a cost-effective replacement for GPS services lost when the UK gets thrown out of Galileo due to Brexit. Details of what this replacement actually is, are hard to come by.
Both are at it aren't they? The moderates supported those who kept trying to oust Corbyn as leader yet would genuinely think it outrageous if a Corbynite tried that now, whilst the Corbynites are showing the same 'disloyalty' to Starmer that they complained about the moderates doing
A leadership campaign in the next 12 months would probably boost Starmer further. I dont think theyll mind one at all.
Will the left be able to find their very own Owen Smith ?
On planning I'm always reminded of the time, long ago now, when my (then) family firm wanted to do some major alterations to one of our pharmacies, and the local planning officer refused access to the plans held at the Council 'because the architect might object'. The building was at least 60 years old then, so the chances of the architect being alive were low to infinitesimal. In any event neither he nor we we knew who he (assumption) was. However the planning officer was firm. Policy was no alterations to any existing building with out the architect being involved. And no he couldn't/wouldn't help with contacting said architect
At that point one of us asked the PO about the local 11th C church, which had just had some major alterations. How had the architect been contacted? Very grudgingly the officer gave permission for our chap to look at the plans held by the council.
Churches (at least C of E ones) have their own rules when it comes to planning.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
Obviously different from their sockpuppets on here who who seemed preternaturally obsessed with what Corbyn said or did 20, 30 or even 40 years ago.
As opposed to the SNP sockpuppets who continue to be preternaturally obsessed with what Thatcher did 30 or 40 years ago. They are less obsessed by SNP collaboration with fascist regimes 90 or so years ago.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
What's offensive about suggesting racial slurs are most offensive to the group they are targeting?
If that is being brought up against Mirza then it suggests they are struggling to anything particularly objectionable she has written. It is 20 years ago, dull and inoffensive.
Certain left wing journalists are desperate the smear Mirza.
Of course and right wing journalists desperate to smear leftists. It just seems she hasnt done or said anything at all egregious if that is what they came up with.
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
If I remember Soros's own comments at the time, he made no bones about the fact Sterling could not survive at its band level in the EMS and there was nothing the Bank of England to do to prevent it crashing out.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
One of the reasons this Conservative UKIP-lite Party is in power is because they do not give a d*mn about anyone other than themselves.
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
Much like the Israel thing factual criticism of Soros's actions are fine, but if you're obsessive about it and try and push it into unrelated issues it tends to be a bad sign.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
The Conservative Party are in government because the alternative was a party led by aTrotskyist moron.
What's amazing to me is how Centrist Labour fans act as though before Corbyn they were doing really well, and then he came along and things went downhill. Brown and Miliband were similar politicians to Starmer and they did worse than Jezza.
I must be missing something, what exactly should I be outraged about?
Indeed I am sure we can all think of a number of words that., depending on who they are directed against, would be at least as, if not more offensive. And very few of those are apparently less offensive when said by one specific portion of society - as is the case with the N word.
On planning I'm always reminded of the time, long ago now, when my (then) family firm wanted to do some major alterations to one of our pharmacies, and the local planning officer refused access to the plans held at the Council 'because the architect might object'. The building was at least 60 years old then, so the chances of the architect being alive were low to infinitesimal. In any event neither he nor we we knew who he (assumption) was. However the planning officer was firm. Policy was no alterations to any existing building with out the architect being involved. And no he couldn't/wouldn't help with contacting said architect
At that point one of us asked the PO about the local 11th C church, which had just had some major alterations. How had the architect been contacted? Very grudgingly the officer gave permission for our chap to look at the plans held by the council.
Churches (at least C of E ones) have their own rules when it comes to planning.
Really; obviously the planning officer didn't know, either. Anyway he caved in.
Both are at it aren't they? The moderates supported those who kept trying to oust Corbyn as leader yet would genuinely think it outrageous if a Corbynite tried that now, whilst the Corbynites are showing the same 'disloyalty' to Starmer that they complained about the moderates doing
A leadership campaign in the next 12 months would probably boost Starmer further. I dont think theyll mind one at all.
Like it boosted Corbyn. It's funny how both sides play both roles without being able to see they are arguing against their own case from 2-3 years ago
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
One of the reasons this Conservative UKIP-lite Party is in power is because they do not give a d*mn about anyone other than themselves.
That 43.6% of the population that voted for them seems not to agree...
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
Both are at it aren't they? The moderates supported those who kept trying to oust Corbyn as leader yet would genuinely think it outrageous if a Corbynite tried that now, whilst the Corbynites are showing the same 'disloyalty' to Starmer that they complained about the moderates doing
Anyone can try to oust anyone; it is their right. It is how the leaders respond that is the issue.
May? Let it drag on and kept everyone simmering. Johnson? Got rid.
Same with Corbyn - he made it a virtue that he didn't want to sack anyone; Starmer - get rid.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
Well, anyone who thought Keir a bit drippy got a surprise. Clearly a new broom, and antisemitism will not be tolerated.
Might make for an interesting relationship with the Deputy Leader, RLB's housemate.
I disagree. He’s been brutal, and that’s politics. But he’s also been unjust and that’s more important.
At the end of the day RLB shared an Independent interview with a constituent of her’s. An MP should be able to do something like that without having their reputation trashed.
It’s not the sacking that matters. RLB will be remembered in history* as being sacked for forwarding an anti-Semitic article. I don’t think that’s right.
(* to the extent that she is at all)
That’s not quite accurate. She approved it without qualification. Either she read it and approved everything said in it or she didn’t read it. Either way, SKS was right to take action against her. RLB has form not challenging those making anti-Semitic comments in her presence and given what SKS said right from the start of his leadership she should have been intelligent enough to to realise that the wind had changed and there would no longer be a blind eye to the casual and unceasing anti-Semitism that had become routine in Corbyn’s Labour.
It seems RLB saw a famous, like minded constituent (possibly a friend?) in the news and fell over herself to tweet praise (diamond), then couldn't bring herself to retract it. We see on here how people lavish praise on those they agree with and feel unable to criticise them
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
The Conservative Party are in government because the alternative was a party led by aTrotskyist moron.
What's amazing to me is how Centrist Labour fans act as though before Corbyn they were doing really well, and then he came along and things went downhill. Brown and Miliband were similar politicians to Starmer and they did worse than Jezza.
Very true. I think if Starmer does better it will be partly because people will have forgotten the dismal failures of the Brown government.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
Obviously different from their sockpuppets on here who who seemed preternaturally obsessed with what Corbyn said or did 20, 30 or even 40 years ago.
Some of that was definitely irrelevant. But when part of a leaders legend is their steadfast commitment to policies and views for decades, it is not all irrelevant.
He was more flexible than his opponents or worshippers allowed for.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
Either that or they, y'know, came up with it themselves in concert with their policy advisers.
Of course, I was being half serious - but the opposition to the disastrous jury trial proposal will also have helped. Because that proposal was also, y’know, cooked up by them in concert with their policy advisors.
Both are at it aren't they? The moderates supported those who kept trying to oust Corbyn as leader yet would genuinely think it outrageous if a Corbynite tried that now, whilst the Corbynites are showing the same 'disloyalty' to Starmer that they complained about the moderates doing
Anyone can try to oust anyone; it is their right. It is how the leaders respond that is the issue.
May? Let it drag on and kept everyone simmering. Johnson? Got rid.
Same with Corbyn - he made it a virtue that he didn't want to sack anyone; Starmer - get rid.
I know which people seem to prefer.
Not sure what that's got to do with it, but good morning anyway
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
One of the reasons this Conservative UKIP-lite Party is in power is because they do not give a d*mn about anyone other than themselves.
Even if true what does that say of the millions who voted for them? And yes that applies to the millions who voted for a Corbyn led party too - it's all very well separating the party from those who backed them, but without infantilising the public we have to assume they know what they vote for, and if the party didn't care about anyone the public reacted strangely.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
One of the reasons this Conservative UKIP-lite Party is in power is because they do not give a d*mn about anyone other than themselves.
That 43.6% of the population that voted for them seems not to agree...
Possibly holding their noses and hoping Corbyn didn't get in to power and that Johnson wouldn't be a joke as PM. They were right on the former and wrong on the latter.
The sad thing with folk like you Mr. Blue is that you are so tribally obsessed, you think the only thing that matters is winning elections. Sure, they are important because you can't exercise power if you don't win, but if you win big and then turn out to be a lightweight leadership free incompetent, it is a pyrrhic victory. Tory members will rue the day they elected Johnson. Many of the more sensible ones are already.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
I would be interested to see where the remove-juries-trial-balloon really came from
Micheal Howard said that a major duty of the Home Secretary was, in a crisis, to say NO to all the insane ideas that got pulled out of the cupboard at the Home Office. Apparently there are some people who think that China has the right idea on social control....
A quick perusal of the ideas floated after the Brighton Bombing gives you a Yikes! moment or 2.
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
Rees-Mogg has given credence to the George Soros conspiracy theory at least.
If I remember Soros's own comments at the time, he made no bones about the fact Sterling could not survive at its band level in the EMS and there was nothing the Bank of England to do to prevent it crashing out.
And that he was heavily invested in the crash out result...
It was pretty remarkable. A major investor made it *publicly* clear that he was moving the market, and betting on the outcome vs multiple central banks/governments.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
If it means they don;t end the right to trial by jury, amen.
I’d still keep the pressure up on them and a very close eye on this.
Attacks on jury trials come up with depressing regularity. Last time it was Blair. This time Johnson. Those in power don’t, for all the talk about it, really like ordinary people having their say.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
I would be interested to see where the remove-juries-trial-balloon really came from
Micheal Howard said that a major duty of the Home Secretary was, in a crisis, to say NO to all the insane ideas that got pulled out of the cupboard at the Home Office. Apparently there are some people who think that China has the right idea on social control....
A quick perusal of the ideas floated after the Brighton Bombing gives you a Yikes! moment or 2.
Well if Priti turned 'no-juries' down she's more liberal than I gave her credit for. Of course the Justice chap will have been more involved.
Does anyone know what the UK government is buying with its £400 million stake in OneWeb? It is presented as a cost-effective replacement for GPS services lost when the UK gets thrown out of Galileo due to Brexit. Details of what this replacement actually is, are hard to come by.
Dunno. OneWeb uses the the commercial K-band which is completely unsuitable for any military application. It also only resolves down to 30m, doesn't support pseudolites, spot beam transmissions or blue-on-blue jamming but I'm sure the geniuses at NHSX will sort it out.
On planning I'm always reminded of the time, long ago now, when my (then) family firm wanted to do some major alterations to one of our pharmacies, and the local planning officer refused access to the plans held at the Council 'because the architect might object'. The building was at least 60 years old then, so the chances of the architect being alive were low to infinitesimal. In any event neither he nor we we knew who he (assumption) was. However the planning officer was firm. Policy was no alterations to any existing building with out the architect being involved. And no he couldn't/wouldn't help with contacting said architect
At that point one of us asked the PO about the local 11th C church, which had just had some major alterations. How had the architect been contacted? Very grudgingly the officer gave permission for our chap to look at the plans held by the council.
My dad started as a Council Architect and got out after a very few years - they just demolished the swimming pool centre he designed.
He had some interesting fulminations about planning and councillors, including mining types arguing that mains gas and insulation wouldn't ever be necessary as so many people had free coal for life.
I started out in a law firm that specialised in local government law. Did a lot of planning stuff. I have never seen such a legal and regulatory mess. Had one case where the legal team instructing us were delighted to have lost a planning appeal I was working on (I was only a trainee so my involvement was essentially to take notes) as they had advised the councillors who approved it that they were acting unlawfully.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
I would be interested to see where the remove-juries-trial-balloon really came from
Micheal Howard said that a major duty of the Home Secretary was, in a crisis, to say NO to all the insane ideas that got pulled out of the cupboard at the Home Office. Apparently there are some people who think that China has the right idea on social control....
A quick perusal of the ideas floated after the Brighton Bombing gives you a Yikes! moment or 2.
Well if Priti turned 'no-juries' down she's more liberal than I gave her credit for. Of course the Justice chap will have been more involved.
The Home Office has nothing to do with it. It’s Buckland who came up with the proposal and Buckland who seems to have backed down.
I have no doubt that the pressure is coming from the Treasury which is simply unwilling to fund Justice properly.
One of the reasons the Conservative Party is in power and not in infantile Opposition is because they don't give a damn about offense archaeology - just like the vast majority of the population.
One of the reasons this Conservative UKIP-lite Party is in power is because they do not give a d*mn about anyone other than themselves.
That 43.6% of the population that voted for them seems not to agree...
They didn't agree in December. Whether or not you are justified in your use of the present tense is debatable though.
Both are at it aren't they? The moderates supported those who kept trying to oust Corbyn as leader yet would genuinely think it outrageous if a Corbynite tried that now, whilst the Corbynites are showing the same 'disloyalty' to Starmer that they complained about the moderates doing
Anyone can try to oust anyone; it is their right. It is how the leaders respond that is the issue.
May? Let it drag on and kept everyone simmering. Johnson? Got rid.
Same with Corbyn - he made it a virtue that he didn't want to sack anyone; Starmer - get rid.
I know which people seem to prefer.
Not sure what that's got to do with it, but good morning anyway
There was a hugely important point to my post but I can't quite remember what it was.
Well, anyone who thought Keir a bit drippy got a surprise. Clearly a new broom, and antisemitism will not be tolerated.
Might make for an interesting relationship with the Deputy Leader, RLB's housemate.
I disagree. He’s been brutal, and that’s politics. But he’s also been unjust and that’s more important.
At the end of the day RLB shared an Independent interview with a constituent of her’s. An MP should be able to do something like that without having their reputation trashed.
It’s not the sacking that matters. RLB will be remembered in history* as being sacked for forwarding an anti-Semitic article. I don’t think that’s right.
(* to the extent that she is at all)
That’s not quite accurate. She approved it without qualification. Either she read it and approved everything said in it or she didn’t read it. Either way, SKS was right to take action against her. RLB has form not challenging those making anti-Semitic comments in her presence and given what SKS said right from the start of his leadership she should have been intelligent enough to to realise that the wind had changed and there would no longer be a blind eye to the casual and unceasing anti-Semitism that had become routine in Corbyn’s Labour.
It seems RLB saw a famous, like minded constituent (possibly a friend?) in the news and fell over herself to tweet praise (diamond), then couldn't bring herself to retract it. We see on here how people lavish praise on those they agree with and feel unable to criticise them
Yes I think that's right, and people who insinuate that she is an anti-Semite herself are being pretty vile. Nevertheless, moving firmly on from the issue had to be the top priority, and this was how to do it. She hasn't lost her livelihood, only an unpaid position. If the Labour party started removing the whip over incidents like this, then it would be time to get angry.
What polling has Trump behind in Indiana, Mississippi, South Carolina or West Virginia? Or indeed Iowa for that matter?
Yes although it wouldn't be a shock if Biden won Iowa (or even Ohio). I think Texas and Georgia are a stretch as I don't quite regard them as true swing states.
I think the absolute most Biden can get is around 413 EVs (including Texas and Georgia) and the most likely scenario as of now is Biden winning up to 335 EVs (similar to Obama in 2012) .
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
I would be interested to see where the remove-juries-trial-balloon really came from
Micheal Howard said that a major duty of the Home Secretary was, in a crisis, to say NO to all the insane ideas that got pulled out of the cupboard at the Home Office. Apparently there are some people who think that China has the right idea on social control....
A quick perusal of the ideas floated after the Brighton Bombing gives you a Yikes! moment or 2.
Well if Priti turned 'no-juries' down she's more liberal than I gave her credit for. Of course the Justice chap will have been more involved.
The Home Office has nothing to do with it. It’s Buckland who came up with the proposal and Buckland who seems to have backed down.
I have no doubt that the pressure is coming from the Treasury which is simply unwilling to fund Justice properly.
I'm glad the right thing is being done. As I said denying justice by removing trial by jury is a dealbreaker for me and I would never under any circumstances except that.
There's few principles more fundamental than the need for justice in a free society.
Interesting read on Wirecard. Shows how the German regulator closed ranks to protect their own. It's quite shocking how they were allowed to get away with so much under the guise of "this is a German national champion, we mustn't rock the boat".
What polling has Trump behind in Indiana, Mississippi, South Carolina or West Virginia? Or indeed Iowa for that matter?
Yes although it wouldn't be a shock if Biden won Iowa (or even Ohio). I think Texas and Georgia are a stretch as I don't quite regard them as true swing states.
I think the absolute most Biden can get is around 413 EVs (including Texas and Georgia) and the most likely scenario as of now is Biden winning up to 335 EVs (similar to Obama in 2012) although he's unlikely to beat Trump by more than 6-8%.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
I would be interested to see where the remove-juries-trial-balloon really came from
Micheal Howard said that a major duty of the Home Secretary was, in a crisis, to say NO to all the insane ideas that got pulled out of the cupboard at the Home Office. Apparently there are some people who think that China has the right idea on social control....
A quick perusal of the ideas floated after the Brighton Bombing gives you a Yikes! moment or 2.
Well if Priti turned 'no-juries' down she's more liberal than I gave her credit for. Of course the Justice chap will have been more involved.
The Home Office has nothing to do with it. It’s Buckland who came up with the proposal and Buckland who seems to have backed down.
I have no doubt that the pressure is coming from the Treasury which is simply unwilling to fund Justice properly.
It's not just Justice which is inadequately funded. The dead hand of the Treasury can be seen all over the NHS.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
If it means they don;t end the right to trial by jury, amen.
I’d still keep the pressure up on them and a very close eye on this.
Attacks on jury trials come up with depressing regularity. Last time it was Blair. This time Johnson. Those in power don’t, for all the talk about it, really like ordinary people having their say.
We return to the theme! I defer to your expertise but hope you won't mind another question from a 'mug-punter'.
What exactly is wrong with cutting the jury to, say, ten? You could still have minority verdicts even if a couple of jurors went sick.
Like a lot of people who have done jury service I was struck by the fantastic waste of time involved in keeping a pool of suitable jurors hanging around waiting for some action. A 16% reduction would be some help and I cannot see it harming the administration of justice.
They are by extension endorsing what she did. Withdraw the whip hehe.
We finally agree on something! 😂
I agreed further down thread on your comment on planning, but pleased don't get used to it. My comment on removal of the whip is highly ironic. If party leaders remove the whip of MPs for expressing inconvenient opinions then we are further down the road to dictatorship. Johnson/Cummings behaviour was that of the tin-pot dictator (with emphasis on the tin-pot). Most of the headbanging contingent of the Tory party that supported Johnson's inappropriate elevation had rebelled many times, including the unthinking man's hero, the forever braindead Ian Duncan Smith. Our system works best when governments and oppositions have an awkward squad.
Indeed. And I will agree here again, an awkward squad is useful. Hunt can play that role nicely now for us, especially as Chair of the Health Select Committee.
An antisemitic and racist squad is not.
I have no qualms purging them from the party - the Tories have ruthlessly purged anyone equivalent for decades who could be considered "far right" but the left have myopically believed the far right are the problem and the far left are not. The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse, they're both racist extremists and should have no place within either of our mainstream parties.
If the far left or far right wish to set up their own party they should be free to do so but I wouldn't want them in my party.
I agree to a point, but my belief is that elements of the far right (I consider UKIP/Brexit party to be the BNP in tweed) have taken over the Conservatives. Peter Bone, Mark Francois and the ridiculous Rees-Mogg would be very comfortable in UKIP, and I suspect if they were put on a lie detector and questioned their true beliefs would shock many. These people are just as far right as Corbyn is far left. They are a cancer in the Conservative Party and their ascendency, together with their foolhardy appointment of their puppet PM, is equally as much a reason for my resignation for the Conservative Party as my belief in the wrongheadedness of Brexit.
Corbyn has decades of unrepentant racism.
I dislike Bone, Francois and Rees-Mogg but don't think they have anything similar? And if they had shared the stage with and endorsed Holocaust Deniers etc then I think they'd have been kicked out of the party already.
I don't think Boris Johnson would kick any of them out of the party even if they goosestepped through the chamber of the Commons like Basil Fawlty, wearing stockings, suspenders and jackboots shouting racial obscenities. He is just too pathetically weak to do anything without the endorsement of non-member Dom.
Well if that happens we can talk.
The far left antisemitism - and zero tolerance of the far right by the Tories - has been ongoing for decades.
Oh look - on a subject which is much more important than Long-Gone, it looks as if the government is doing what I and many others told them to do to clear the trial backlog.
I would be interested to see where the remove-juries-trial-balloon really came from
Micheal Howard said that a major duty of the Home Secretary was, in a crisis, to say NO to all the insane ideas that got pulled out of the cupboard at the Home Office. Apparently there are some people who think that China has the right idea on social control....
A quick perusal of the ideas floated after the Brighton Bombing gives you a Yikes! moment or 2.
Well if Priti turned 'no-juries' down she's more liberal than I gave her credit for. Of course the Justice chap will have been more involved.
The Home Office has nothing to do with it. It’s Buckland who came up with the proposal and Buckland who seems to have backed down.
I have no doubt that the pressure is coming from the Treasury which is simply unwilling to fund Justice properly.
It's not just Justice which is inadequately funded. The dead hand of the Treasury can be seen all over the NHS.
Thats absolutely true but any attempt to secure funding for Justice is met with derisory "filling the pockets of lawyers" type jibes. In the meantime our courts are physically collapsing and in increasing areas of the country there are no Legal Aid criminal solicitors or barristers available
Well, anyone who thought Keir a bit drippy got a surprise. Clearly a new broom, and antisemitism will not be tolerated.
Might make for an interesting relationship with the Deputy Leader, RLB's housemate.
I disagree. He’s been brutal, and that’s politics. But he’s also been unjust and that’s more important.
At the end of the day RLB shared an Independent interview with a constituent of her’s. An MP should be able to do something like that without having their reputation trashed.
It’s not the sacking that matters. RLB will be remembered in history* as being sacked for forwarding an anti-Semitic article. I don’t think that’s right.
(* to the extent that she is at all)
That’s not quite accurate. She approved it without qualification. Either she read it and approved everything said in it or she didn’t read it. Either way, SKS was right to take action against her. RLB has form not challenging those making anti-Semitic comments in her presence and given what SKS said right from the start of his leadership she should have been intelligent enough to to realise that the wind had changed and there would no longer be a blind eye to the casual and unceasing anti-Semitism that had become routine in Corbyn’s Labour.
It seems RLB saw a famous, like minded constituent (possibly a friend?) in the news and fell over herself to tweet praise (diamond), then couldn't bring herself to retract it. We see on here how people lavish praise on those they agree with and feel unable to criticise them
Yes I think that's right, and people who insinuate that she is an anti-Semite herself are being pretty vile. Nevertheless, moving firmly on from the issue had to be the top priority, and this was how to do it. She hasn't lost her livelihood, only an unpaid position. If the Labour party started removing the whip over incidents like this, then it would be time to get angry.
It it not really about whether she is anti semitic or not. I doubt there are loads of senior Labourites who really want to discriminate against Jews. But there are loads who are completely happy to promote lazy casual stereotyping of Israel and its role in the world.
Having shadow cabinet members promote these messages creates a problem at the institutional level even if it is not generally there at the personal level.
If the firm has recently applied for bankruptcy then it could be getting bought at bargain prices, that doesn't mean purchasing it is a mistake.
It will be completely inferior, in every possible way, to the six existing jurisdictional positioning systems unless it has billions more hosed at it. And even then probably not.
Having been shitcanned from Galileo and seen how much it would cost to do it properly this is the government making a cut price token effort to tAkE bAcK cOnTrOl for the consumption of the easily gulled.
If the firm has recently applied for bankruptcy then it could be getting bought at bargain prices, that doesn't mean purchasing it is a mistake.
It will be completely inferior, in every possible way, to the six existing jurisdictional positioning systems unless it has billions more hosed at it. And even then probably not.
Having been shitcanned from Galileo and seen how much it would cost to do it properly this is the government making a cut price effort to tAkE bAcK cOnTrOl for the consumption of the easily gulled.
It's still a waste of £500m or so but hey what's that in the scheme of things.
It will be completely inferior, in every possible way, to the six existing jurisdictional positioning systems unless it has billions more hosed at it. And even then probably not.
Having been shitcanned from Galileo and seen how much it would cost to do it properly this is the government making a cut price token effort to tAkE bAcK cOnTrOl for the consumption of the easily gulled.
Labour still supporting railway public ownership which is good.
I think this is probably the limit of where they will go, they'll go heavy on infrastructure on NHS and then just looking competent should be enough, IMHO
I think (as someone who has mixed feelings about the sacking) that Starmer has an advantage that he deals briskly with issues but doesn't compound any injury with OTT denunciations and rhetoric. It's harder to get worked up about "I didn't like what you said, you declined to withdraw it, so I'm replacing you" than the "I was appalled, you were disgraceful, etc." style. It's authoritarian but most of us can live with that if other things are broadly OK.
If the firm has recently applied for bankruptcy then it could be getting bought at bargain prices, that doesn't mean purchasing it is a mistake.
It will be completely inferior, in every possible way, to the six existing jurisdictional positioning systems unless it has billions more hosed at it. And even then probably not.
Having been shitcanned from Galileo and seen how much it would cost to do it properly this is the government making a cut price token effort to tAkE bAcK cOnTrOl for the consumption of the easily gulled.
If the firm has recently applied for bankruptcy then it could be getting bought at bargain prices, that doesn't mean purchasing it is a mistake.
It will be completely inferior, in every possible way, to the six existing jurisdictional positioning systems unless it has billions more hosed at it. And even then probably not.
Having been shitcanned from Galileo and seen how much it would cost to do it properly this is the government making a cut price effort to tAkE bAcK cOnTrOl for the consumption of the easily gulled.
It's still a waste of £500m or so but hey what's that in the scheme of things.
- OneWeb isn't a navigation system - it provides data. There have been proposals *add* navigation to the system. - Galileo isn't a data providing system - it provides navigation. Only.
Anyone who doesn't understand that is Robert Peston level of ignorant.
Iridium is the classic example of a project that was worth buying from bankruptcy.
"'The world went crazy' with lockdowns, says Sweden's coronavirus expert as he blasts WHO for 'misinterpreting data' with list of 11 nations seeing a 'resurgence'
Anders Tegnell, Sweden's virus expert Said leaders caved to pressure with decisions that 'fly in the face' of science Also hit out at WHO, after body said Sweden is seeing a 'dangerous resurgence' Tegnell has accused WHO's Europe chief of 'totally misinterpreting' the data"
OneWeb has nothing to do with navigation - at the moment.
It is a system to deliver high speed, low latency, data backbone from LEO - see Starlink from SpaceX for a competitor.
This is useful in delivering high speed internet/mobile phone data to remote areas.
There have been proposals to piggy back navigation onto LEO data constellations.
Given that OneWeb is bankrupt, it might well be worth purchasing for a song - it comes with some satellites in orbit, frequency rights etc.
There is an interesting EU dimension to this - various European structures are heavily invested in the success of OneWeb.... Such as ESA.
The story is basically wrong on the level of "All satellites are satellites, right?"
Yep. OneWeb might provide the satellites for a LEO GNSS constellation which would be attractive for two main reasons. 1. Much better geometry. 2. Much less path loss. The basic idea is to put chip scale atomic clocks on the satellites, so the navigation payload would be much cheaper than traditional satellites, the number of satellites would in turn make up for some of the issues with LEO having more variable orbits.
It is a complicated issue, but this idea is not mad. Anyone dismissing this out-of-hand simply hasn't done their homework.
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I have a number of arty types in my own family, so fully appreciate that many struggle to make a living, and that without them our lives would be very much duller and less cultured and varied.
Peake is a character actress in dramas like Silk or period films like Suffragette, she is good at what she does but that is not where the big bucks are
"UPDATE 9 October 2019: Lord Dubs has now retracted his comments and apologised to Mr Rees-Mogg.
Lord Dubs told The Independent: "It is a universal principle that there must be clear evidence of antisemitism before such an accusation can be made. I apologised to Mr Rees-Mogg as this was clearly not the case in these circumstances."
He added: "George Soros has had a lot of antisemitic attacks over the years and we have to be careful about the language used to describe him."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-antisemitism-george-soros-lord-dubs-boris-johnson-a9142756.html
TBF to you, I don't think that was reported widely, it just came up on Goog when I was looking for your source, because the Indy is depressingly good at SEO.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/nightingale-courts-will-tackle-backlog-of-half-a-million-cases-tbv5zwhk0
May? Let it drag on and kept everyone simmering. Johnson? Got rid.
Same with Corbyn - he made it a virtue that he didn't want to sack anyone; Starmer - get rid.
I know which people seem to prefer.
He was more flexible than his opponents or worshippers allowed for.
The sad thing with folk like you Mr. Blue is that you are so tribally obsessed, you think the only thing that matters is winning elections. Sure, they are important because you can't exercise power if you don't win, but if you win big and then turn out to be a lightweight leadership free incompetent, it is a pyrrhic victory. Tory members will rue the day they elected Johnson. Many of the more sensible ones are already.
Micheal Howard said that a major duty of the Home Secretary was, in a crisis, to say NO to all the insane ideas that got pulled out of the cupboard at the Home Office. Apparently there are some people who think that China has the right idea on social control....
A quick perusal of the ideas floated after the Brighton Bombing gives you a Yikes! moment or 2.
https://youtu.be/dLAi78hluFc
It was pretty remarkable. A major investor made it *publicly* clear that he was moving the market, and betting on the outcome vs multiple central banks/governments.
Attacks on jury trials come up with depressing regularity. Last time it was Blair. This time Johnson. Those in power don’t, for all the talk about it, really like ordinary people having their say.
I have no doubt that the pressure is coming from the Treasury which is simply unwilling to fund Justice properly.
And good morning to you.
I think the absolute most Biden can get is around 413 EVs (including Texas and Georgia) and the most likely scenario as of now is Biden winning up to 335 EVs (similar to Obama in 2012) .
There's few principles more fundamental than the need for justice in a free society.
Interesting read on Wirecard. Shows how the German regulator closed ranks to protect their own. It's quite shocking how they were allowed to get away with so much under the guise of "this is a German national champion, we mustn't rock the boat".
What exactly is wrong with cutting the jury to, say, ten? You could still have minority verdicts even if a couple of jurors went sick.
Like a lot of people who have done jury service I was struck by the fantastic waste of time involved in keeping a pool of suitable jurors hanging around waiting for some action. A 16% reduction would be some help and I cannot see it harming the administration of justice.
The far left antisemitism - and zero tolerance of the far right by the Tories - has been ongoing for decades.
https://twitter.com/Joe_Mayes/status/1276235620415913985
https://twitter.com/Joe_Mayes/status/1276235628028493830
It is a system to deliver high speed, low latency, data backbone from LEO - see Starlink from SpaceX for a competitor.
This is useful in delivering high speed internet/mobile phone data to remote areas.
There have been proposals to piggy back navigation onto LEO data constellations.
Given that OneWeb is bankrupt, it might well be worth purchasing for a song - it comes with some satellites in orbit, frequency rights etc.
There is an interesting EU dimension to this - various European structures are heavily invested in the success of OneWeb.... Such as ESA.
The story is basically wrong on the level of "All satellites are satellites, right?"
Its a good idea for the UK to get involved with this and purchasing these assets seems like a good idea.
Having shadow cabinet members promote these messages creates a problem at the institutional level even if it is not generally there at the personal level.
Having been shitcanned from Galileo and seen how much it would cost to do it properly this is the government making a cut price token effort to tAkE bAcK cOnTrOl for the consumption of the easily gulled.
I think this is probably the limit of where they will go, they'll go heavy on infrastructure on NHS and then just looking competent should be enough, IMHO
If you start from the assumption that everything BoZo does is a giant fuckup, you won't go far wrong...
- Galileo isn't a data providing system - it provides navigation. Only.
Anyone who doesn't understand that is Robert Peston level of ignorant.
Iridium is the classic example of a project that was worth buying from bankruptcy.
Anders Tegnell, Sweden's virus expert
Said leaders caved to pressure with decisions that 'fly in the face' of science
Also hit out at WHO, after body said Sweden is seeing a 'dangerous resurgence'
Tegnell has accused WHO's Europe chief of 'totally misinterpreting' the data"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8462727/The-world-went-crazy-lockdowns-says-Swedens-coronavirus-expert.html
It is a complicated issue, but this idea is not mad. Anyone dismissing this out-of-hand simply hasn't done their homework.