Don't get me wrong. In hindsight I think the meeting should have been cancelled, and I shouldn't have gone. But I should like to know the evidence on which you base your strong opinion.
Leaked data has revealed a high concentration of coronavirus hospitalisations in area next to Cheltehnaham Racecourse. The map seen by GloucestershireLive shows there were 27 confirmed admissions in the GL52 postcode since April 3. The town has become known as a Covid-19 hotspot since the pandemic broke out. It comes after organisers of the Cheltenham Festival defended the decision to go ahead with the event attended by 250,000 people between March 10 and March 13, finishing three days before the Government announced social distancing measures. The day before the started the Department of Culture, Media and Sport said there was ‘no rationale’ to postponing events.
Don't get me wrong. In hindsight I think the meeting should have been cancelled, and I shouldn't have gone. But I should like to know the evidence on which you base your strong opinion.
Leaked data has revealed a high concentration of coronavirus hospitalisations in area next to Cheltehnaham Racecourse. The map seen by GloucestershireLive shows there were 27 confirmed admissions in the GL52 postcode since April 3. The town has become known as a Covid-19 hotspot since the pandemic broke out. It comes after organisers of the Cheltenham Festival defended the decision to go ahead with the event attended by 250,000 people between March 10 and March 13, finishing three days before the Government announced social distancing measures. The day before the started the Department of Culture, Media and Sport said there was ‘no rationale’ to postponing events.
There is much more personal space at Cheltenham than there is on the tube.
There really isn't during a race
Everyone is facing the same way during a race (edit: in compliance with current govt guidelines) whereas on the tube people are directly facing each other.
Everyone is facing the same way during a race (edit: in compliance with current govt guidelines) whereas on the tube people are directly facing each other.
People in choirs face the same way, and spread the virus in a most efficient manner
He has signed an executive order giving a 10 year jail term for pulling down and destroying statues and on that I expect most Americans agree with him.
Even if statues are removed they should be moved to a museum not toppled by the mob
Couldn't agree more, Hyufd, but while his VP and medical are trying to deal with an epidimic now reaching close to 50,000 new recorded cases daily he is worried about statues!
Everyone is facing the same way during a race (edit: in compliance with current govt guidelines) whereas on the tube people are directly facing each other.
People in choirs face the same way, and spread the virus in a most efficient manner
Exactly. There were tons of events going on of which Cheltenham was but one. All to a greater or lesser extent might have helped spread the virus. Cheltenham, choirs, barbecues, the Northern Line, football matches.
Don't get me wrong. In hindsight I think the meeting should have been cancelled, and I shouldn't have gone. But I should like to know the evidence on which you base your strong opinion.
Leaked data has revealed a high concentration of coronavirus hospitalisations in area next to Cheltehnaham Racecourse. The map seen by GloucestershireLive shows there were 27 confirmed admissions in the GL52 postcode since April 3. The town has become known as a Covid-19 hotspot since the pandemic broke out. It comes after organisers of the Cheltenham Festival defended the decision to go ahead with the event attended by 250,000 people between March 10 and March 13, finishing three days before the Government announced social distancing measures. The day before the started the Department of Culture, Media and Sport said there was ‘no rationale’ to postponing events.
The area next to Cheltenham Racecourse, which houses large numbers of students in halls of residence and contains a high proportion of communal housing has 27 cases?
I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you. That it isn’t a dozen times higher.
Meanwhile the wealthy areas of the county where the race goers will have been drawn from - Newent, Moreton, Berkeley, Stow - have seen (checks carefully) zero cases. And Cirencester a bare handful, and Tewkesbury one.
Honestly, this is a classic case of ‘you can prove anything with statistics.’
Gloucestershire has got off pretty lightly as far as I can see. It’s been far less hard hit than Durham, with a similar population profile. If Cheltenham had been a major spreading event, even allowing for the fact the majority of those 250k came from outside Gloucestershire, I think things would have looked very, very different.
I'm a bit worried about the situation in Germany, there are several bad signs apart from the meat factories. It's really time for Merkel to address the country again and say this crisis isn't over and people really need to be careful and also stick to the few rules still in place, and preferably download the app, or we'll all be back in lockdown in a couple of weeks.
True, I haven't watched from the champagne bar in the members stand...
But on the terraces, there is not a great deal of personal space
I'll forego the obvious witticisms Scott to just make the more serious point that I was surprised that there did not seem to be a local spike following the meeting. The weather may have helped. It was easy to spend most of the time outdoors which I like to do anyway, although I would normally top up in The Centaur at the start of the day, as you know.
The big stands at Cheltenham are rather more open and breezy than at most football grounds so maybe that helped too. Anecdotally the only instances of people coming down with the virus after the event were those occupying the posh boxes. Not likely to catch me in them.
But in hindsight you were right to duck the event and I was wrong.
However, it should also be noted he genuinely did win the argument, as many of his ideas (e.g. on fuel prices) were stolen by Theresa May for her 2017 manifesto.
Don't get me wrong. In hindsight I think the meeting should have been cancelled, and I shouldn't have gone. But I should like to know the evidence on which you base your strong opinion.
Leaked data has revealed a high concentration of coronavirus hospitalisations in area next to Cheltehnaham Racecourse. The map seen by GloucestershireLive shows there were 27 confirmed admissions in the GL52 postcode since April 3. The town has become known as a Covid-19 hotspot since the pandemic broke out. It comes after organisers of the Cheltenham Festival defended the decision to go ahead with the event attended by 250,000 people between March 10 and March 13, finishing three days before the Government announced social distancing measures. The day before the started the Department of Culture, Media and Sport said there was ‘no rationale’ to postponing events.
The area next to Cheltenham Racecourse, which houses large numbers of students in halls of residence and contains a high proportion of communal housing has 27 cases?
I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you. That it isn’t a dozen times higher.
Meanwhile the wealthy areas of the county where the race goers will have been drawn from - Newent, Moreton, Berkeley, Stow - have seen (checks carefully) zero cases. And Cirencester a bare handful, and Tewkesbury one.
Honestly, this is a classic case of ‘you can prove anything with statistics.’
Gloucestershire has got off pretty lightly as far as I can see. It’s been far less hard hit than Durham, with a similar population profile. If Cheltenham had been a major spreading event, even allowing for the fact the majority of those 250k came from outside Gloucestershire, I think things would have looked very, very different.
It seems that Cheltenham was lucky in that few poeple who were unknownly infected travel there.
Durham on the other hand had very few infections prior to a particular family drove North.
Don't get me wrong. In hindsight I think the meeting should have been cancelled, and I shouldn't have gone. But I should like to know the evidence on which you base your strong opinion.
Leaked data has revealed a high concentration of coronavirus hospitalisations in area next to Cheltehnaham Racecourse. The map seen by GloucestershireLive shows there were 27 confirmed admissions in the GL52 postcode since April 3. The town has become known as a Covid-19 hotspot since the pandemic broke out. It comes after organisers of the Cheltenham Festival defended the decision to go ahead with the event attended by 250,000 people between March 10 and March 13, finishing three days before the Government announced social distancing measures. The day before the started the Department of Culture, Media and Sport said there was ‘no rationale’ to postponing events.
The area next to Cheltenham Racecourse, which houses large numbers of students in halls of residence and contains a high proportion of communal housing has 27 cases?
I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you. That it isn’t a dozen times higher.
Meanwhile the wealthy areas of the county where the race goers will have been drawn from - Newent, Moreton, Berkeley, Stow - have seen (checks carefully) zero cases. And Cirencester a bare handful, and Tewkesbury one.
Honestly, this is a classic case of ‘you can prove anything with statistics.’
Gloucestershire has got off pretty lightly as far as I can see. It’s been far less hard hit than Durham, with a similar population profile. If Cheltenham had been a major spreading event, even allowing for the fact the majority of those 250k came from outside Gloucestershire, I think things would have looked very, very different.
That is very much confirmed by those of us living here. It *feels* relatively safe, and the stats suggest that is not an illusion.
Everyone is facing the same way during a race (edit: in compliance with current govt guidelines) whereas on the tube people are directly facing each other.
People in choirs face the same way, and spread the virus in a most efficient manner
Choral performances involve the same group of people remaining close to one another and vigorously exhaling within an indoor environment for a lengthy period.
Based on what we know of the virus, it seems likely that group singing is more risky than travelling on a packed tube train, and that in turn is more risky than being in a noisy crowd in a football stadium or at a racing meeting.
That said, one would still imagine that sports events with spectators will be just about the last activity on which restrictions will be lifted. You'd assume that they'd restart either at the same time as the theatre or after it.
Don't get me wrong. In hindsight I think the meeting should have been cancelled, and I shouldn't have gone. But I should like to know the evidence on which you base your strong opinion.
Leaked data has revealed a high concentration of coronavirus hospitalisations in area next to Cheltehnaham Racecourse. The map seen by GloucestershireLive shows there were 27 confirmed admissions in the GL52 postcode since April 3. The town has become known as a Covid-19 hotspot since the pandemic broke out. It comes after organisers of the Cheltenham Festival defended the decision to go ahead with the event attended by 250,000 people between March 10 and March 13, finishing three days before the Government announced social distancing measures. The day before the started the Department of Culture, Media and Sport said there was ‘no rationale’ to postponing events.
The area next to Cheltenham Racecourse, which houses large numbers of students in halls of residence and contains a high proportion of communal housing has 27 cases?
I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you. That it isn’t a dozen times higher.
Meanwhile the wealthy areas of the county where the race goers will have been drawn from - Newent, Moreton, Berkeley, Stow - have seen (checks carefully) zero cases. And Cirencester a bare handful, and Tewkesbury one.
Honestly, this is a classic case of ‘you can prove anything with statistics.’
Gloucestershire has got off pretty lightly as far as I can see. It’s been far less hard hit than Durham, with a similar population profile. If Cheltenham had been a major spreading event, even allowing for the fact the majority of those 250k came from outside Gloucestershire, I think things would have looked very, very different.
Or 20% of your population already having had does...we are seeing huge upticks in places where there have been large protests and who previously hadn't suffered too badly.
Now that might be the general opening up, but I find it hard to believe 10,000s of people huddled together for hours on end, screaming and shouting, and coughing from all the tear gas, doesn't present a transmission vector.
The paper the media reported yesterday as saying not down to protests, didn't actually say that, and their own charts of number / size of protests looks very very similar to where we are seeing big upticks.
Being outside seems to be a pretty low risk, pretty much whatever goes on.
Yup. The dogs that did not bark.
Spoke to an epidemiologist yesterday, he concurs with you. Reckons transmission risk outside is very low.
Despite the shrieking in the Daily Mail, the beach parties will probably make little difference.
Totally untrue. The virus can spread rapidly by close outside contact as has been attested in spike events all over the world: in the UK the Cheltenham Festival and Liverpool Champions League matches being prime examples.
So drop your feeble anecdotes and stay safe.
The Cheltenham Festival was not a spike event. It was only bigged up as such to divert attention from Boris going to the rugby three days earlier.
The only people attempting to claim that Cheltenham didn't act as a huge virus vector are racegoers, betters and the horse racing industry. Funny that.
Join the moon landing conspiracy theorists if you like but to everyone else the scientific facts are clear.
You are saying that the Cheltenham Festival and that football match were prime conductors.
This at the time when the tube was carrying 2m people per day in and around London?
Indeed, the entire Cheltenham festival was about as risky as one hour of peak morning tube travel.
Anecdotally the only instances of people coming down with the virus after the event were those occupying the posh boxes. Not likely to catch me in them.
Robert Jenrick affair taints the Conservative Party Allegations of cash for favours in a planning dispute could do the Tories more damage in the long run than Covid-19
Although, in my experience, when big men want to influence a decision their instinct is to bypass the monkey and go for the organ-grinder, we must accept what Downing Street says: that the organ-grinder was above the fray. Desmond pitched it to Jenrick instead.
The ordinary citizen will little note nor long remember the details of the mess that this has all become. It was nicely condensed in a single short paragraph by my Times colleague, Quentin Letts, in his sketch on Thursday: “Mr Desmond hoped to develop his former printing plant in the East End. He hit planning trouble. He bought . . . tickets to a Conservative Party dinner and was seated next to the planning minister, our young friend Mr Jenrick. By one of those miracles of fate, Mr Desmond’s planning troubles evaporated.”
"But breezes, invisible, rise and blow things around. Such a breeze may be beginning to stir. That little girl in the photo will be heading for her teens now. She may feel it. Others do. The wind will blow Johnson, Cummings, Jenrick and Zahawi away."
Tories will have had 14 years by 2024. Time for change will be a hard argument to overturn, now that Corbyn is out of the way.
I'm a bit worried about the situation in Germany, there are several bad signs apart from the meat factories. It's really time for Merkel to address the country again and say this crisis isn't over and people really need to be careful and also stick to the few rules still in place, and preferably download the app, or we'll all be back in lockdown in a couple of weeks.
Our knowledge of this disease is still very patchy. Perhaps countries that have been relatively successful early on in controlling the spread of the disease (and may therefore have had a low level of community transmission in comparison to, say, Italy, France or the UK) can't get away with unlocking without a resurgence in cases? Unless, that is, they can do a New Zealand or Taiwan, crush the virus completely and then implement national self-quarantine, which may not be practical for a country that isn't geographically isolated. Time will tell I guess.
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What are the same stats for Oxford Circus station?
Didn't help my betting judgement though.
That Labour wants to win elections again?
But on the terraces, there is not a great deal of personal space
Why single out Cheltenham?
I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you. That it isn’t a dozen times higher.
Meanwhile the wealthy areas of the county where the race goers will have been drawn from - Newent, Moreton, Berkeley, Stow - have seen (checks carefully) zero cases. And Cirencester a bare handful, and Tewkesbury one.
Honestly, this is a classic case of ‘you can prove anything with statistics.’
Gloucestershire has got off pretty lightly as far as I can see. It’s been far less hard hit than Durham, with a similar population profile. If Cheltenham had been a major spreading event, even allowing for the fact the majority of those 250k came from outside Gloucestershire, I think things would have looked very, very different.
The big stands at Cheltenham are rather more open and breezy than at most football grounds so maybe that helped too. Anecdotally the only instances of people coming down with the virus after the event were those occupying the posh boxes. Not likely to catch me in them.
But in hindsight you were right to duck the event and I was wrong.
However, it should also be noted he genuinely did win the argument, as many of his ideas (e.g. on fuel prices) were stolen by Theresa May for her 2017 manifesto.
Durham on the other hand had very few infections prior to a particular family drove North.
Based on what we know of the virus, it seems likely that group singing is more risky than travelling on a packed tube train, and that in turn is more risky than being in a noisy crowd in a football stadium or at a racing meeting.
That said, one would still imagine that sports events with spectators will be just about the last activity on which restrictions will be lifted. You'd assume that they'd restart either at the same time as the theatre or after it.
It ends with a warning:
"But breezes, invisible, rise and blow things around. Such a breeze may be beginning to stir. That little girl in the photo will be heading for her teens now. She may feel it. Others do. The wind will blow Johnson, Cummings, Jenrick and Zahawi away."
Tories will have had 14 years by 2024. Time for change will be a hard argument to overturn, now that Corbyn is out of the way.
been proven to be 20% ineffective.